well i guess sometimes i am a place and i think when for research and i think steve interject my cultural. stereotype cracks if you think this is a country i. can't believe it's a ridiculous crime and day after year that's all that good. news i'm michael join me in the jam and some beat up in. cost. populous politicians have made fresh gains in the european union this time in the stonier where a far right nationalist party more than doubled its vote in recent parliamentary elections my guest this week here in tallinn is martin helm a deputy leader of the conservative peoples party of a stone despite calling for blacks to leave the country he insists he's not a racist what is he then.

martin helmick welcome to comfort zone i'm happy to be here you almost doubled your support in recent elections and you did it by pressing on fears and trying to. enlarge people's fears about being replaced by a black so black invasion that's not true. not true what you just said first of all we almost tripled our affection in the parliament that almost doubled your seats from seven to nineteen and. we are not peddling on fears we are. another day early digitals people are being replaced with negro slaves for three father the chairman of the budget was immigrants with immigrants and he said a gross and i don't think so but doesn't tell us very myself an opinion piece he

wrote for us though does it and doesn't really even matter because as a matter words matter of yeah well the point being that we don't want to be replaced with foreigners who's replacing you last year we saw for two consecutive years we have seen a very large influx of ukrainians russians belorussians mainly through work visas but also illegally we have seen tripling of the. exaggerated the fears of the slavs communion holds you no no no in july last year your party chairman told a stone in public broadcasting that twenty two thousand ukrainians were coming to his throne every year as the interior ministry pointed out in response to that claim the actual figure was around five thousand six hundred a year no doubt that. as the interior minister says we don't even know because this is the official loves of a figure that is still fish

a number but they don't even know how many people come in illegally and it is there you know no you know no no but but we haven't so you exaggerate it almost for another but we have an estimate which says that we have and we have we can extrapolate numbers from workforce from tax offices we have a general number which is somewhere between twenty and thirty thousand in one ear and also another number we have seen disputed by the gov ok it's the government. that is very lax about this and i said it was one of those one of the big yes actually we do have access to statistics and we gathered that statistics from different sources. this is one of the privileges of being in parliament you can. write. questions to different ministers to different offices and ask the to six and you put the numbers together but also i want to give you a number we've been told that there is no immigration to a stone

a no no sizeable immigration to estonia from the third world. well it's it's small compared to let's say finland sweden germany but within two years we have had a tripling of nigerians in estonia let's look at the facts here with the march last year let's look at the immigrants who've been allowed into a stone here to the e.u. quota so well the government by march last year the government had accepted two hundred and six migrants and that time even eighty eight of them weren't even in the country so last march you had to cope with the massive figure of one hundred and fourteen immigrants brought to you to see of the gillies quota system so on the basis of these figures you claim indigenous astonied ends up being replaced by black people not just by bad as it doesn't as i said but that there are two things we don't as a class but i'm just talking about the migrants well it doesn't make any difference

to us this is an explosion a little sorry this does not make any difference whether they are from hugh crane or from nigeria it's a matter that they are not a stone ians and a man i am sure one saturating with a joke of no we are not in their going to set a cap on their lives and south asians are under government is lying or not the government doesn't know what its doing but is the proof of most of the human easy to say government like government does and has admitted on numerous occasions that they don't even know how many people have come from ukraine over the past few years they just don't know and then they say but officer the figure is here well sorry the official figure doesn't cut it but i wanted i want to i want to stress an important issue isto the up together with latvia is a country in europe with the highest number of immigrant people who we have once third time me. it's one third one third is not

a stone years now this is the back seat particularly noticeable. nope i said it in twenty thirteen if you're black go back and i want to stone me and to be a white country these were your words in turkey thirteen television talk show here . but we were roundly condemned by other politicians including the human rights group here in parliament but eighty percent of stern and we had a there was apologise to an eighty percent of his tone and agreed with that statement so take it as it is conveyed to present the stoneman you would have been but you would have won the election you don't win the elections you came first we did very well but i want to us about this this visit this was clearly very this is what. we will get to the racism issue but this was back when i wasn't a politician in an elected office i was a talking head in a commentator show you have strange your views have you know exactly so what's the

relevance of the know that helen says that when you've been paid as a talking head you are allowed to say things out or actually you're expected to say things out in a more upfront say well obviously you know one is the reality of life you want to go back and as the human rights group in parliament pointed out at the time a call to treat dark skinned people differently from others is an ambiguously racist view what is really in europe nowadays is the replacement of indigenous people that is pure racism and we don't have to agree to that you describe in a new interview we were on the grounds of the color no why don't you do we don't we send you on change your views if you're black go back as i just explained to you there is no difference to us whether they come from ukraine or nigeria or from any other part of the world i wouldn't like a stoner to be replaced with swedes either i just don't want that i want a stoner to be estonian and that is as simple as that and if people say that

a refusal to partition. hate in an ethnic. collective ethnic suicide is racism then that word has no meaning left a massive influx of immigrants you said would lead to pillaging and raping of a stone in town as it is migrants can i just ask the question how many migrants and shown themselves to be rapists some religious suggested the way out would be much out weighing whether even with the tiny numbers that you just pointed out we have two cases of syrians in jail right now for trying to in light their wives so into so it's turned their bits to two you've tired that is that is what i show and raping and pillaging is one percent of the dangerous road does it in ny do to know that there is a massive massive problem with criminality in sweden finland germany the u.k. that is what our freedoms by what other figure that is brought in by immigrant

muslim nami you paint in there with brushes with what what what are the figures what are the percentages of migrants who are involved in drama who don't know the other course i do but i don't have each of us predators but in mean in norway the rape ratios have gone up thousand fold that's not a phenomena thousands of old who says a grown up without the numbers figure out there is a norwegian statistic says to us your. painting strange facts i mean do you know do you just come at you you pluck numbers out of thin air supply do you know i've got the figures from the government i give the guy you can trust their government though how so you don't trust the girl you have your alternative facts only and have just just like donald trump i don't trust i don't just think that you should trust the government there is a reason why opposition exists and that is to hold the government. to their

standard no you know we won't the government fiddles with numbers you point that out so you are like the trump playbook of. putting your own facts forward islands based on not like trump that's a specific speaking of donald trump your holding on to your hands for a billion dollars in military ninety one but you know why why should we bother with you do you know the budget the united states. spends on military aid in one year tell me it's fifty one fifty two billion a year no it isn't that so the forty years is that it's forty seven forty eight billion i check that fact as you well know forty seven forty eight billion over the last forty years they spend a lot of money on now it's anonymous it's only fifty five it is fifty thousand million by our account i don't know we don't you're doing your accounting then your accounting is wrong this is these are state department figures. this is the number that our military experts have told us this is the number that doesn't always

necessarily leaves united states because they usually support their allies by basically buying their own military equipment from their own military complex and then giving it to their allies or even more so by buying new military equipment to the united states army and giving the old one to the allies one show why surely doesn't have to leave united states why why should the us leave you money when black american troops in the. back in twenty fifteen were racially abused on the streets of york not true not throw back to your grandparents and nigeria not this was the comment that was started and this was a fake news this has been proven to be a fake news total fake news yes so it was a fake news and it was fake news when madison one of your people said oh if they're worried about being. on the streets they should wear their uniforms so this

is not an epic mass not that of course i know that's not fake news that was a comment taken out of context everything is taken out of context and because the media is extraordinary hostile towards us so now you have the victims i know you know we can be turning up whereas howard was something that you said maybe it's a little bit in as a victory as this in there i descend from a certain county because their fighters will never victims their fighters were fighting for their stone and people are you fighting for a stone in people by trolling and using false names for articles i mean one moment you're the victim of press heris menton press lies and now we discover that. you're setting up fake facebook accounts and trolling. there was a one that specificity is no no no imagine how little christina and i answered that there was one single particular case of one of our members sending an article an

opinion article to a left leaning newspaper which trashed our party and he wanted to prove that a left leaning newspaper would publish anything that trashes us without any regard who sends it or who it is and without know without any background checks and he was right any other trolling no one has any proof that we are doing any massive trolling but why why did you why you did lie about it what first came out the party did know about it the pi lied about this sort of not untrue the party was not informed about and they said it wasn't true because we believe we could have said we don't know. nothing so you lied about it no we didn't lied about it the ethics ombudsman to the istana public broadcaster called this fraudulent activity he said if any attempt is made to influence public opinion under a pseudonym this can be justified on the grounds of freedom of expression of the shatt public decision i will be on the grid with them but i know my business

because people write under the pseudonym all the time people all the time doesn't maybe write well if all do it why we are singled out but where there is no proof and there is no room there is no real operation on our part to have a massive army of trolls what we do have is a very motivated and quite large. number of people in facebook who supports us wholeheartedly and do it under their own name in january you called on the police to do more to contain all the people who were attacking and threatening the whole party. do you think we shouldn't do think we shouldn't report and then change is war and you mind if i think that we're the ones who shouldn't report death threats and you warned you might take measures into your own hands or did you mean well for instance we have to we actually have had to hire bodyguards for

a top people in public events because we're not sure that the police can handle it you've been associating with the so-called soldiers of odin. the immigrant group founded so man it was really hard to have. yes well first of all what i want to say about soldiers over the. this is not a group this is a bogeyman for the left. they have done nothing wrong why should they be demonized but we have no official ties to the whatsoever for they have appeared in the number of rallies attended by your party torchlight procession to marcus this is a public where this is a public event why shouldn't they be there they are patriots what in forces no human order no no we don't have to be sixteen the prime minister thought so he said in the republic of a stone or no and order isn't forced by these stony and police self-proclaimed gangs don't increase the stern in people's sense of security in any way rather the

opposite well it was a political debate where the prime minister and then prime minister was trying to score political points but again. something you would never know another was this is something that everyone does that's my point but demonizing patriotic people who are concerned very concerned about the public safety is it below a prime minister you demonize judges tend to demonize no i don't demonize as i tell you i do so don't see my relatives who do politics human who did that three talent circuit court judges women female judge should be fired should be fired absolutely wanted their heads to roll here that's an expression of this because the judge is allowed a same sex marriage to be entered into the register a regularly it directly breaking a stone your law by doing that and you set out to threaten them i set those they sure were significantly and so threatened i said do these people are no judges they

have broken the law and they have actually done something much worse they have wandered into the territory of parliament and they should not be allowed to continue being judges you don't observe that throw democracy want more democracy want to go around threatening people that you disagree with i want to through time as it is really think that. churches should be able to break laws and make laws that they like then we have a very different opinion what the democracy of blackman's were condemned by the chief justice of the supreme court and the president both condemned your statement here you remove the arch liberals you it doesn't matter does or doesn't but of course it does and also to dissolve liberal they're automatically wrong because they let you all know that magically bush ition they like this is situation but their decision was a political decision judges should not be making laws this is breaking the

separation of powers they are absolute they are a disgrace to the office and you didn't like the fact they were women in this world to do you said i want a threat to be heard from this rostrum i want their heads to roll because it cannot be that some women this is very dismissive of women that some women come together and just change dystonia northwood you've reacted different judges have been men no problem i don't know you and i'll show no not to show i mean i would probably have used some other dismissive but my contempt towards those people is still the same the contempt was enlarged by the fact that there were women was no that's your opinion that's not that's the you just assume it. your face so something else you are i want to protest this i remarried man i have four daughters what i started to do my having on the other got to do with only daughters i have two sisters i have utmost respect for women i have never haver treated women

with anything but respect but i do not like when judges think laws into their own hand. you had a good election results matter how many but in the end it still wasn't as big as you wanted was it not as close you didn't you didn't win the election you overestimate your appeal i don't think we expected expected or ever expressed that we expected to win the elections even by scaring people people are scared anyway let's go look at the first week in january this year your father the party chairman warned of a dire international plots that the set of confederation of leaders were aiming to turn the united nations into a world government by twenty thirty this is what dung trump stands against this is what we stand against this with you this is nonsense that someone who doesn't have a shred of evidence to. judge how do you not read the market treaty the markets treaty basically says that everything concerning gratian should be the prerogative

of united states. and i do nations so this is this is one of the government by twenty thirty don't make any sense of well you know i'm dane don't make any secret of their desire to pull power to you know there are lots of people who do lots of things you said that of one of government by it why do you think this is a baltic ferry no no we are you know many evidently we are sovereign ists we are against any attempts to take away power from the nation states you talked about a plot there isn't a plot is the how do you know of how do you know how can you be sure of what you are the ones who talk about it so you chuck any old nonsense into the mix and expect people to believe it there's no plot you haven't won a shred of evidence for that do you beg to differ i never see a living see i think the entire history of the united nations shows you that they are bent on taking power so it's an intention. isn't the reason the tensions matter

don't or isn't the real plans where they come from then in reality a stone millions don't seem to care much at all about your plots and conspiracies do the coding to post or. more published in the most last november the top fear among almost twenty percent of those polled was that radicals in populists come to power through the last second and the third fear was i'm talking about this is the you know what our second try says nanny is those who cared about mass immigration twice and the second was immigration right third third ok but the first close enough state of the facts and right i can't remember any poll that was done in november but the point is that the immigration was old also in top of those concerns don't share your views about a lot of things the e.u. for instance you know views about the e.u. conducted showed that a massive seventy five percent of the stone eons agree that the showing an area has

more value to some disadvantages for your maybe you making a simple mistake we don't go by the polls we do what we do because we believe in it and only go by and we mobilize enough people to support our course and we don't care who is against us what matters is what the support for us is of course when we get twenty percent there are eighty percent who don't vote for us but that's the logic of every party the one who just won the parliamentary election after seventy percent of the seventy something percent is against. you're out of touch with the mainstream then aren't you we are the mainstream and we don't really we are the instrument isto barking at the e.u. accuse and using years of becoming totalitarian hasn't it hasn't it why do people like personally most people don't like your opinion that all the got modeled on love really seventy one percent were very or fairly optimistic about the united

church or the other sixty six percent agreed the e.u. was a place of stability in the troubled world that sounds very much as though they like and who who commissioned that poll you're a barometer you know exactly you know there's a lot of you a lot of there's a lot of negativity unionised has like us in there that you like us there is a consistently also nothing was i wrong no no no but you get in there are what you want you to question your economic figures. not there's no doubt about their mother in twenty seventeen. member of the european union your g.d.p. grew by a massive four point nine percent that's a good result inside the e.u. . but inside the e.u. has been good for your economy not a question as of course it hasn't i mean really the point nine percent growth in g.d.p. isn't a good result you didn't notice to twenty percent drop during the two thousand and nine and ten twenty percent of what it and what you think

a lot of other countries doesn't but now does it now and european union has no business but you have to hark back to the g.d.p. growth this european union this fall prevented from security and the other has nothing to do with one of the fastest growing we can't have it in your words you're harking back to figures ten years ago here but ten years you were in the middle of a class where the recession i saw two thousand and seventy was a very good global year for growth as well i mean you can't have it both ways we were in your opinion in ten years ago and we were we were a country the most with the most horrid loss of g.d.p. everybody lost yeah but they lost most everybody we were the we were the worst in the in the in. a but let's bring in economics you say you really want to say there is a piece of your opinion in a stable in your mind so they're saying we see a different world you say it's like the soviet union exactly which is exciting to

those countries know was included here that lived i saw him to refresh and happened to remember the soviet union and i had some pretty negative smiles and says no it isn't who haven't lived under the soviet rule might not recognize the trends but the trends are unmistakable marjon oppression that characterized the soviet union did not wish to do not notice that they wanted to murder in the pen. nudity pin because she was saying the wrong things in public this is precisely what happened this is going to. come to her house to handle this the same and the hellenists the. exactly did you do have you not noticed that people have been put into prison prison in european union for hate speech this is censorship this is the same as it was in new york i was the one who was a star wars in the country who's most at home it's been good to have your conference oh i forgot to thank you i was up.

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