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to. welcome the campaigns the different campaigns for the european elections are in full swing and we are here at the last plenary session of this particular european parliament because there will be a new one coming may and that is being noticed outside of the european union as well that's why we will discuss today you will lections why they matter to africa and that's an outcome of those elections that will be closely monitored in africa this is a continent that has after all shared a long and complex relationship with europe. so stick with us and our guest we have

a great panel here to my right over there. who's a member of the basically social democratic faction in the european parliament by the way all experts here on the panel and he says it is time to rebuild a new partnership between the e.u. and africa turning the pages of the past and to my left we're joined by venue angry she is the managing director of german african s m e alliance connects mall and medium enterprises in germany and africa and she says that it's time for the s of us to enter the african market for long term investment and on an eye level. over to my left a member of the biggest party of the european parliament the conservative e.p.a. likely to remain the biggest party also in the european parliament and he says africa needs europe to set clear political priorities to face common challenges to the benefit of both and last but not least we're joined by dr. he is that the

rector general for this small and medium enterprises agency of nigeria and he says that the e.u. should do more on good governance in africa by stopping corrupt money into europe from africa he also adds that we should treat africa as equal partners in trade so you can tell we have a lot of different experts here also on small to medium enterprises and there's a reason for that because of course one of the main topics between africa and the european union is trade and there are different reasons they go way back why this is complicated we tried to break it down for you. for the fast and as this continent home to some one point three billion people africa has massive potential. coffee cotton and by so natural resources africa has a lot of. it has the world's youngest population africa's potential seems beyond

this. because. it's because of its biggest trading its biggest provides. yet africa's economy is still on the debit side of life and how much does this have to do with europe. free trade is the centerpiece of e.u. policy africa gets access to the european markets but needs to open its markets for european products and often can't compete officially the e.u. now advocates an equal partnership. has been customary for too long for europeans to lecture africans. so that. african leaders don't want charity they want results that you change jobs. africa should be able to transform these raw materials and to provide labor for youth.

retrain is the e.u. robbing africa of its future. and that's a question where we're going to pick up and i want to throw that question to you dr we've heard that africa has massive potential but is it robbing africa or through free trade no we have to look at the menu is first of all we must recognize the fork but it has been very strong part to not africa and this has. been the colonial time and we need to depend that kind of relationship but i think it did more harm or more good no i think we need to do it in greenland so that africa. be able to benefit from it what i'm saying in essence is africa is an export like jelly or oil and gas to europe but we import the primary goods the primary goods should be produce an africa from really good should be produce enough for companies

european companies house to establish an africa to utilize the roma level in africa so that there will be creation of jobs for our team in youth and there will be also equal opportunity in terms of the economy to blog men and prosperity of all people in africa why doesn't the you do that i mean we hear a lot that you wants to do this but if you look at the legislation it always seems to favor european companies exactly because you are a piece working for europe and they don't care about something else than europe so it's necessary to have with us african people african civil society african elected people. make making advocacy for having more for africa and you feel like you're doing enough in that sense i think it's not enough for the moment because we are dealing with past european partnership agreements from the past and from the past is just guaranteeing that europe is having room and cheers and europe is entering

the market of africa and i think this is a mistake we have to have a win win situation and african people needs to have development with trade agreements and this is what we have to discuss with african people for the new new partnership and not only economic partnership but new partnership with africa so very new to field that this is happening you know mary saying that the old model is outdated do we have something new and is it working i mean the question of the fairness of the free trade agreement is very central very important and when we consider the evolution of. if richard's agreement in now i can say that we are in a good way actually we've also as was mentioned because i think that there is two central principles which are very important first of all this research process because it enables you to be it will enable. country also to

export their goods without any thing in your duty and also. it is something that large. second one it is this question of sustainability because if used think about defeated agreement of a continue it would be the twenty twenty and if you have something stable and don't have a limit it also can promote investment and can say ok we'll think in long term investment and it could also bring some investment is it is at the end of what could want to have more investment that create more jobs within the continent well the european commission is certainly thinking about sustainability saying that the focus between the relations is shifting towards knowledge sharing and responsible investment can you give me examples where you feel this is working . so yes i mean this know how to answer is

a very key features and for instance i'm here representing the end of the station and we also speak a lot with our members and there's a serious and difficult of a question though training and the know how transfer is the key. the key things that they want to give investment to african countries over to mr dollar you going to many african countries you know the continent from a european perspective when we hear all this it also sounds very you know it's all these initiatives it's a little complicated but isn't it the case that most people on the ground in the african countries you consider don't really experience all that well first of all i think if you look at the point of departure trade wise we have these existing schemes it's the economic partnership agreements and the everything but arms initiative for thirty two of the least developed countries which of a quarter free access to our market is

a new the one side i think indeed we must shift towards. a new approach and that would in my mind to combine the efforts to have good governance in given countries and to be relieved both on the education side in order to provide the work force that is actually needed in africa for the future and then also come with credits both for african entrepreneurs and ours who dare shall i say to invest in africa who have got the experience yet in this regard i think such initiatives. as amy's if we can combine that first the education and vocational training and then incoming investment that can contribute to an added value that the cocoa is not exported people become chocolate in africa coffee beans become roasted coffee in africa and. the cotton becomes textiles in africa to add value and then give

market access to us i think that is the the proper way that we should be heading for well i think i think it is really important to realize one part because you know as much as long as we establish a new company in africa a lot of people would learn that to come out of the g m both a lot of people have experience from the people who came from europe but we've been hearing this how we've been hearing this for decades now and it's clearly not working in some countries so what needs to change i don't think it's not working is like not being made because this thing is being more the tory than actual because most of the tunes that i've been talking about on this partnership is something that's helped me tory think because things that are being computed they keep on c. and c. in this is but there is no profit to counting on groan all right mr guy that was the fact that you wrote the really africa area of civil

rights good governance and african countries i've been very well in the area of good governance accountability as well as trying to see that democracy is ensuring no assistance out of it well we'll get to that we'll get to that in a second i just want to have a look at what steve just rather emmanuel mccraw the president of france said on this issue he says in a tweet steve jobs father was a syrian refugee it would seem that nationality has nothing to do with the ability to succeed if you think that being a nigerian means you can succeed then you want if you fight and you do succeed you will be a role model so i want to come to you actually marry because you're really shaking your head you're not believing what the president to say you know because it's not only a question of will i think that sometime some companies destroy the will of people in african countries if i take for example in nigeria. you know the most important

part of the oil in nigeria is just export it in europe to be treated in europe and really sent to africa and there is no agreement to prevent the situation and for example what we ask for s.n.g. is to have two thing is the trade agreements the first thing is to have an assay matrixes situation with country like nigeria and to give them the opportunity to have quotas to to keep some room a tyrannous and to be sure that this raw materials are preceded in the contrary this is the first thing the second thing that we have to ask for is to have jus diligence coming from big companies in this country because it is not because you are big companies in this country that you are respecting people or climate so we have to have this due diligence system and discuss for these companies move to national when they are in discount trees so we have to control them as mr gather called to do diligence sounds very bureaucratic are you on board well i would say

from our side as far as our companies and our international companies are concerned we should really put the appropriate pressure on them to behave not only to the standards that we have in our countries but also to evade the laws that exist in the country ok listen and it will ending and we have should be finding it not to if you find not to give them incentive it should be binding if you have if you have a situation that. some of our companies still think that they can buy. their permits or that they can bribe officials that is we have to overcome name and shame and make it transparent in this regard there are initiatives that i publish what you pay or extractive industries transparency initiatives that should contribute to a transparent way of of doing business in africa and i think doug. all right i'm sorry this isn't going to let me get to your health insurance due diligence the

european company are talking about i totally disagree because most of the european leaders most of the news are up in companies that are in africa most of the corrupt african leaders and get their twenty neutral from these companies and this is how because we can just understand because most of the money that is being stolen from africa by our leader is being stashed in europe and the european companies are responsive to for these and i don't think that is any due diligence you are talking about the most important thing that we need to do in africa is if we want to dip in this relationship is there should be an open agreement and disagreement between africa and europe on certain aspect that leads to our blog about that there are certain partnerships and agreements which are on the table awaiting signatures from set of countries so it seems that africa has the opportunities but simply is not taking in the africa doesn't have that opportunity because those agreement you are

talking about this agreement that we put on paper but most of that in that reality the conditions on the european countries put their programs on par or a teapot head of africa we are not. put unity we are not. to measure from africa what we are asking in simple that whatever you are going to do we should have mutual agreement that should be a strategic plan for development taking into consideration of people taking into consideration because that isn't normal isn't it normal i mean that we i was going to come to you isn't it normal that the european union puts its interests first and it's up to the africans to organize their interests to for example create a single market so you are talking about fairness and we are also talking about win win situation it means that both of the parties have to gain some. thing at the end so i will i will come back maybe to that because i mention it. one of the part of

the benefits of this agreement is also you cannot make a partnership agreement sorry between the european countries and it's a piece countries is also this is promotion of the shared values it means that to have standard tenders two to have good governance to work together so that we have to unite for sure it is a lot to do and not only all countries. know that nigeria for instance is not. the same it. was no but kenya i just also a good example of that said that implemented so they are some notes but now we have to also get specific a specific italy to see why for instance nigeria is not. clean is because so little. who is double dealing with the euro because there should be that

and that is what is largely creating mistrust if you are going to do with africa does africa. but ally africa have to accept an african agenda on the african free trade area and also to adapt our plans our regional agreements to do what you planned because i think it's we have profited the europeans amongst hours trading amongst ourselves that is has made us strong and wealthy and i would wish that this african agenda to have a free trade area into africa that that is being supported from our side and one more thing for it by if they want to know if they if africa wants to protect itself from us they could already prior to having their own integration inside they could erase pan african customs terris that applies in all of africa european and american or imports that would protect africa efficiently and we could

not work one against the other if that if they were in agreement with themselves in this regard for this really seems unhappily no in fact in the eco us region for example they are working on the internal market for this region and what europe did is because of nigeria blocking and why nigeria is blocking this pass is just because they said they want to protect infant industry and it's normal it is the way to have industry in your country is for moment to protect them and after to open your country nigeria is asking for this and you are saying no and what europe did is just going to ghana and going to walk and saying if nigeria say no we are dealing with you separately and so we are destroying the internal internal market of africa and if you see for example with all the remains that we have to. when africa and europe for

a long time ago we don't have this increasing of xchange between africa and europe so what do you expect what do you want the next european parliament concretely to do in that respect what is important is really not to be it to create on this and to support the internal markets of africa because i think is for us it means is more important to have this into an internal market to have the market with europe and second thing is to have a pass that respects what african countries are asking for for their development for people living in africa not for multi-national that are coming from europe being in africa that is all step by step implemented as a long time scale there are transitional times and there must be an effort also also to integrate amongst themselves africa must tear down its internal borders simply to become trade and in in in creating jobs that are out there is this easier said than done i mean you did say that europe is double

dealing dealing with echo and separately and you want them to deal with an. area equal opportunity is not being given because we recruit them over for africa and europe are not equal. because africa has a population of about one fourth and to be neutral possible palatial about five hundred million nor do you look at our g.d.p. g.d.p. will have been ten trillion dollars i mean africa you find the g.d.p. of less than three trillion and now that you're talking about to come up all right i'll meet you talking about me is unity excuse me let's give was more opportunity when it comes to even broader look at it the opportunity european one has to go to africa is quite higher than the opportunity and africa has to come to europe because when you go to the embassies you see the kind of. treatment the european embassies were given to offer it will get to migration is just a second i want to challenge all or something like you said about. me is an obvious

example when i asked the question you talked about figures and the e.u. being able to trade it huge quantities but the e.u. is also trading with each other in trade e.u. trade is at seventy percent and intra africa trade is at sixteen percent we're not trading with each other so the question is why do we expect trade with the e.u. to be better if we can't handle it ourselves you know you have to understand one simple thing we trade in order for us to gain and we get more when we trade from this perspective but the most important thing for us to understand even for europe to understand that is and if it. the property level in africa has the effect on europe because of the proximity the close this point. in terms of geopolitical area. miles between europe and africa so the question if that is problem in nigeria if that is probably the one the if that is

a problem in somalia that is a problem in europe so what we are trying to do is give was equal opportunity to give was on this demo interest and so that our prosperity has. picked up preventing you from cooperating closer with each other if you have them soon an interest in africa we are not preventing that but if there are hiccups we are happy to support because we've got experience in this regard gratian regional integration in africa and finally a continental free trade area ok that is the objective and i want to now look at the impact of some of these interconnections that dr roger was talking about free movement of persons you've heard him say here that it can be humiliating sometimes for an african to try and gain access to europe even when they're doing it regularly but what happens when it's irregular the issue of migration has been a hot button issue for both africa and europe and here's why. migration one of the toughest challenges facing. the issue of refugee resettlement deeply

divines the european union the e.u. has failed to rein in political infighting among its members it's impossible to let everybody across borders not in a way which is clearly clarified. the e.u. continues to depend on deals with countries like turkey because it has not come up with a solution for sharing. that is one of the reasons behind europe's new top priority helping africa to get on its feet in order to curb the flow of migrants. to. develop a day in and oblige african leaders to deal with its citizens in a way that african youth has a chance. to last this means both public investment and private investment is a risk. you're conscious would be key to being a chain migration issue continues to give rise to rightwing and anti european

populist movements. and finally the e.u. will get back to the friends quarters and the right for security of its european citizens should. you be in union and africa remain depression how can they shape their common future. isn't a migration crisis the best thing that could have happened to africa in the last year is because they put it on the map in european discussions with europeans have to do something first of all for all people concerned in this migration it's a tragedy because everybody in principle wants to stay at home and have a good living there so the fact that people are leaving out of desperation mostly not out of bed terrorism or even what i'm talking about the political. yes you can never really talked about africa before the migration crisis in this well that's

well i wouldn't go so far but i think indeed we have to do you in a different way and it's good that we do not limit our discussions on this migration issue which is an important one but that we see it in the long term perspective and that we discuss about the issues like the economy that we had in the previous panel but i think we could as europeans assume our responsibility of course in addressing it in a way that of course we cannot take every person that is in need into europe but we should categorize we should see who is personally persecuted as a political asylum seeker who is under the geneva conventions as of war refugee and who comes for purely economic reasons and in this field i think we have to open a slight door for legal migration in order to focus the people on the legal opportunism going on is not what you seem to think we need more than just

a slight door opening for sure so for your question was also. if this gratian also opened the door and said that now it was should be in the general and for sure as you said mrs merkel is not that only tale to tell since fifteen the question of africa is now but i can say that now we are moving from this policy of development aid to something else we have promoting with private sector and. doing searching over ways to to solve this problem and now i can really say that. you are the agent of the. german government the private sector. it is really on the agenda it is like a way to put also. opportunities or to create a chain arrange in africa to deal with immigration because as he said nobody wants

to go to bill two to go to europe only because it's fine so i want to come to you mr and i because we're talking about policies that started in twenty fifteen but we too long to start having conversely this conversation between europe and africa i think that we have to have to wear pnas that we need as you in more africa africa needs europe and this is really important because the only thing that we see is just seeing these poor people living africa coming to europe but you know. the most important mobility in africa is in africa within africa and it's we in different countries in africa and we are just dnd of the process but this is the most important mobility situation is in africa and if we are not aware of the fact that we need africa and we spoke about. but also martin that we are just

in the wrong way of thinking africa and so for me it's important to have two things the first is there a legal way for mobility i don't know where you're going with mr gallagher i don't speak about migration because you know when you have young students coming from africa coming in europe to university what they want to do is to go back to africa and to big businesses and to have for example health care we're talking about it we're talking about regular migration those who are coming here from pressure economic or otherwise first thing is the mobility and i think that europe was an open europe and for the moment we are close you were we don't want to have foreigners in europe this is the first thing and we have to reopen europe for african people not only for students but also for some work. and this relationship with africa the second thing is humanitarian situation and we as you are but all the continent we look at humanitarian citizen asking for protection and this is

the way we have to. to put in the hand to these people and to say you are never coming out i don't mean and this is something else but we don't have to mixed this to situation we have to make on humanitarian help who certainly is a lesser you know sort of human rights thing that are the right wing populist seem to mix i mean the engine is is very important and before we come over to you mr got dr rada are you following what the run up to the european elections where a lot of right wing populist that are making their living off of the topic of migration are poised to make significant gains and what do you think about that i think before we get to that we have to understand before it was africans migrate into europe. because we have an economic situation in africa

that needs to be addressed by our leaders we talked about that is the stance of it nancy is that a let me that's very important to me let tell me how you feel about the possibility of people of parties gaining significant votes in the european elections because they almost exclusively campaign on the topic of migration yet because dr save me think that it's affecting europe because that is a new trend all over the wall of nationalization kountry is becoming more national counter is becoming more solve recognize doing since on their own ways and that is why you see that british ones who go out of europe you see a lot of other countless wanting to be annoyed that that has many fest also it being in the not just that you can see the nationalization is spring going off in africa you see a lot of elections have taken place under a government opposition opposition party just taken over by the governments because

people need a new lease of life people need a new life new government new people have hope and they are looking for where those hoops will come for and this is the kind of sins we are looking for from europe and it is very important for the relationship between africa and europe but the most important thing let's do it was mutual agreement remove. needs to move from conditionality and sanctions and try to focus. on understanding i've really meant this agreement which are mutually understandable and i'm not sure but i think mr goh i disagree with that unconditionally i mean first the responsibility for the well being of african citizens and we had from the president obasanjo here some years ago he said who's responsible for the unemployed use in africa first of all it's. as africans yes if you your rulers assume their

responsibility first i'm very happy to support all those who really undertake efforts to improve the. rules well you have. never done any significant change in your life the people of my. policy specifically i mean i guess what the struggle is trying to say that africans should ideally be responsible for africa. and. i am as i said very much i am very much prepared to assist an african agenda to improve the situation and when it comes to to the migration issues unfortunately for the populists this is low hanging fruit for their campaign but be sure if they were not the african migrants they would find national minorities and if that were not them they would find others to to put people against each other so that is. their problem so it's for

them it doesn't matter who is but unfortunately migrants are the lowest hanging fruit for a talk about african and european problems will no longer have some valuation who are coming from africa ok got an african problem so i think that what you're saying talking about so why national nationalism populism i think that it's also because we say that africa is the neighbor of europe in europe and europe is very close to africa but they don't know each other actually and i think that the media they also have. part of their responsibility the ways they put on this issue when this migration flow west there and put also like as mary has said it's not that the first. nations was europe it was within africa and then in europe but i think that we. it's trying. this situation so far that everybody stands well

they're all coming to my country we have to do something have to close the borders and stuff so i think that first of all we have to know each other and europe and europe have to know what is africa now. actually we need it why because you see in africa there is the most young people and this those people are not people that is they have their very it will be dictated and they have a lot of parts left to give and we should come to that positive part in just a second i would like to wrap up the part who's to blame actually because there's always a lot of blame game between africa and the european union with a tweet from the rwandan president paul kagame mean if somebody doesn't really mince his words very clear tweets always and he tweeted if you look at history of this migration for a long time europe was inciting inviting people to go to europe the message was your countries of africa are governed badly and you should come to us that the

message you heard you. think i think. africa generally needs. why we need it because of alicia she is so emotional. why is it emotional is because it's the. name so we need to help africa develop the issue all africa should do blood is so we need to be in it should. they need to cut the oars hold our hands try to see how they can help those to do below in terms of good governance they should be encourage they should be encouraged elicit funds from africa into europe as much as possible try to depart this phones back to africa because that a lot especially in nigeria know that a lot of the. money in europe that are touching european bonds that european

countries reproduce to the park let those money back to africa we need to hold in europe need to hold of rekha really need to support africa larry and you need to have a mutual understanding between the agree with instance africa need handholding we have the coming future the two important reasons for migration massive migration inside africa and also outside africa are wall. instead the. lack of peace in some countries and the second one is the climate change these are the most important reason for migration even more than economic situation even more than economics are there isn't a life here is a life no longer but if you if you speak about massive migration displaced people it's peace lack of peace and climate change and we are we have a part of responsibility together on this on the climate change so we have to work

together on this help africa to go to the transition for the climate change and also help africa to go to the gym a critique we of governance in the country and peace so i think that we need to get there it's not because africa needs you rip we need to get or to go in this path of climate change and piece. together to fight climate change one example but we've heard from ms and we already that she thought there might be a little potential for something going beyond there and i like to put the question that's part of mr god isn't africa with all those young people who want to work who want to learn and the aging europe the perfect partner for the future yes i would definitely agree i mean this is a neighboring continent with this huge potential and that has to be put in a system that really this potential can be realized and it starts with. the

issues that we addressed before good governance and investment you see encouraging signs there i see more and more african intellectuals and jews and civil society in many countries that address these issues and they get governments under threat i mean we've seen it for twenty years in zimbabwe as one example unfortunately the regime was stronger still and you can go through many. countries . sitting. presidents think that they have a future i think actually they don't but the people are saying in a position to. change and if that goes ahead i think we should stand by and actively pursue this africa to get the development done i think there is enough intelligence and enough will amongst to society and the young people in europe in africa and we should come in and support

that so we have a new we've been talking about boundless potential a young population getting even younger but at what point do we realize this potential is it an infinite state of being so. this potential is there and because of the lack of opportunities maybe in their countries it is not possible to to. to take them and to explore this. opportunity and this young so the problem now of the question now is how to deal with the city situation and we talk about vocational training and what. maintain for that so if you're. working we come back to that and we say that we've all you have. mobilized for instance this vocational training for entrepreneurs so we really have to encourage

readers to to to to just build these people working. and on the road i mean it's not that it's not a lot we have to to make a lot of them so that it can work i have maybe an example in the town of sinegal that cars every small slum it is called baca and in this town there is about two thousand. people there living there and what did. german means because it is really a private things said we have tools to transform this area to. step sufficient city so that at the end can be self-sufficient and the young people can have a future and what what what happened some enterprises left camps come to the big companies from for the bakery area they come there and just give the know how to make their curry and a lot of steam is well part of it and now building

a new town from just to new one and this is a practical right practical example that's also positive and that concludes our conversation right here at least for now we're entering what max actually believes is the most fun part of this conversation but he also warned me that his german so he's. doing different ok let's go quick fire around next to the first one yes we have actually you're allowed only to say one word as an answer to what i'm going to do it usually works we will start over here and we'll go clockwise ok so i'll start with the question is what are you looking for what are you looking at in the outcome of the european elections. so one word. inclusion exclusion. reason prevails let's invest in our first invest for investment solidarity i'll give you

a little bit more leeway for my question answer the following sentence europe and africa are part. depending on each other. the. the the. ok i will give you time five seconds equal now you have to go though no i think the right food is one world we have twenty seconds left but it's ok and i think that's a fantastic way to conclude this discussion it ended rather positive you wouldn't have thought that at the beginning of this discussion with a lot of tension but we thank you both we thank you all for your time thanks for being here of course stick around with the w. for instances coverage of the european elections in may.

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