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every journey begins with the first step and every language but the first word published in the. rico is in germany to learn german why not go with him simple online on your mobile and free to send the w z e learning course nikos fake german made easy. shifting powers the old order is history the world is real uniting itself and the media's role is keep the topic in focus of the global media forum twenty nine today one out of two people is online who are we following the we trust to beijing and shape the future at the touch of going global beautiful on t.v. . the time. france's president claims europe is in the grip of a civil war and it's really hungry in poland leading politicians say they're
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fighting to save europe's christian soul which way will of a continent son that's how debates from the european parliament here in the heart of brussels. welcome to the comfort zone debate battle lines are being drawn and i head of the european elections with more than four hundred million people eligible to vote and increasingly it's a europe of stark contrasts last week about a thousand fascist sympathisers gave stiff arm salutes and clashed with riot police in milan this information campaigns is said to be running at full tilt and commission president jacques told you because warned that if nationalist parties on the margins of the right and left. the upper hand it would mean the end of liberal
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democracy and free society so on issues ranging from migration to rule of law or security and sovereignty our panelists have plenty to argue about something in her to touch any p. and first vice president of the alliance of liberals and democrats for europe she's a member of several parliamentary committees including civil liberties dominic touching is a member of the polish parliament for the ruling law and justice party he sits on the foreign and e.u. affairs committees geralyn has been a member of the european parliament for twenty years with a progressive alliance of socialists and democrats and is well known for his support for a federal europe max cry is vice chairman of the f.t. the ultimate evil for the atlanta and the german state of saxony and number three in the party's federal list for the european elections that's a panel. before we take questions from our invited audience including members of civil society groups i'm going to ask each of our politicians to set out very
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briefly the kind of european future they'd like to see sophia and can i ask you to start us off for one minute thank you very much and good evening everybody. we are living in a world of triumph china that's becoming stronger political global actor a world where we see big forces like facebook while away apple who are actually more powerful sometimes than states and that is why we need a very strong united and unify europe in order to stand up to these forces and to protect the our quality of life our way of life but the second thing i would like to say is just as important this is not just about a strong europe it's also about europe as a community of values and those values are equality equal rights for all and not everybody believes in that and i think this is very much on the ballot on the
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twenty third to twenty sixth of may and i will be campaigning for equal rights for gender equality for freedom of conscience for bt i rights a europe that is for everybody ok thank you very much you want to united europe you want a strong europe but voter turnout has gone down in every single european parliament election since they began it's going to be different this time. we don't know i think first of all we see in the polls that support for europe is actually going up and the fact that people are critical is not a bad thing it's a good thing if the main step people are taking ownership of europe for the downhill jaring yes we'll see whether that trend will continue and of course the turnout has to go up if we have to right to vote we should use it because that's how we we keep democracy a life. but this is an organization the european parliament has failed time and
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again to connect to ordinary people bret's it is proof of and you know i don't think breaks it is proof of that we don't know that the analysis on what breaks it really means is still out because i think you know the reasons why people voted for brics that are maybe very much connected to the reasons why american people voted for trump and incidentally to turn out to your in because america is there for you know if you can maybe you can hear me out the american turnout at the american elections is not very high either but it's clear that people are facing a choice of the kind of world they want to live in some people would like to go back in time take rights away from people you know end equality and pluralism and free democracy and that is really what's at stake here for our government dominic touching skin kind of europe you would like to see i'd like to see christian europe christian europe as a faith as a little as a culture i'd like to see the europe which was built on the christian values this
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is who you are this is what i said previously that christianity is our d.n.a. and it's not about our faith only it's about the ages of all of the previous generations is who you are and from the christianity comes up the whole the whole culture roman law greek philosophers this is this is what was built on christianity to so what i don't warns. as a new structure of the society. without christianity i don't like people messing around like mr shorrosh he's playing with the nations he's financing organizations who are absolutely anti christian some agree that equality is very important that's why i don't want i don't want to see churches like twenty four churches within week burned in france i don't want to see that so that's the only symbol right that's the symbol so i want christian roots i think safety even to europe but we got the point you pride yourself on christian values that's right but your attitudes to
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immigration run directly counter to christian values don't they at least in the eyes of the pope the catholic pope jesus is present he said in the migrants and refugees who seek safety and a dignified life in a new land it is christ he said who knocks on our door hungry thirsty a stranger naked hundred things and agree and imprisoned but he better be not knocking on your door having been there you won't let him in because the difference between illegal immigration and refugee is a legal difference by the international law i keep repeating is for the last three or five years we don't mind to take refugees in they submit their documents and ask for permission to be told that we don't mind nothing's changed in twenty years of free poland you don't want muslim immigrants they don't want illegal migration and you don't want to lose limbs are you talking about ego christian no no no no you want a distance we don't want illegal migration if it's christian if it's mostly if it's hindu or it's not believe or we don't want your legal migration we don't want people on the boats coming without documents i would if i thought there's
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a little let me here let me let me finish so if they want to come to poland they can apply they can submit the documents but what is happening now is just a madness which is again something rules and regular you say our soul is alive and the west's soul is dead and that's right suddenly your expert on souls what makes you the keeper of the sacred truth for an italian school for first of all just quickly yes because i'm a roman catholic so the spirit is very important to me obviously this is just the picture that through for. is that eighty five percent of polish societies catholic and we cherish our traditional telling the rest of europe how to live by without telling anyone we want you saying it's the values the real value for europe we value our road into christianity not about the beautiful words john and your vision of europe these intimate imo roman catholic myself i have a tortoise different vision of my own polish pretty much is there for a slogan of yours diversity and unity unity in diversity diversity makes us rich in any i spanked and the single if there is it very good sixty years of
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european integration has for us this peace and freedom and now in these years we have to secure well being and security so i think that we have to complete the common market in a digital europe it's really a set we have to be fair up in the social aspect i think it's candor that some people don't pay taxes various normal people have to pay that takes it up on the golf like amazon and google or they don't pay their taxes is the absolute standard and certain sustainable ecologically i mean it's a must to be live over the planetary limits and i think climate protection is one of the key issues in next year's all right you've said. you've said also in the past that you want a strong and sovereign europe to defend the union's interests and values in the globalized world this is what you've said but the e.u.
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already has enormous power as the world's largest trading bloc and it's not using it for that is and it's not defending values basic values you know a lot about human rights for instance in egypt continue to sign trade deals with you don't use the power that you have to enjoy it in the only family economically we are really a giant the biggest market in the verge but i behave like i do think that here we are twelve and indeed we have to really improve in. our political. outlook towards. really. verkin with our values and our principles but i think you also see iraq in agreements with libya saying your rights my grandson you have them incarcerated for years in holding centers where they're abused and beaten up you know look do you i'm going to out of. the words fifty percent of. human aids is coming from you we're not as good as we should be but let's sit down and work to earn it next legislature make it
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a priority so it's all but words it's all right it's not it isn't it isn't it true because i am i am also object strongly to those deals who are not in line with our values and i think part of the reason why europe is concluding these deals is because some governments like your government refuse to participate in the common the site of the migration. policy and you're actually you're hearing well you know the nation as you have you know saw income you have youthful words you don't actually put them into practice and it is true when you say that on the one hand you basically want to create a see your crecy and christian it has to be christian and at the same time countries democratic ok everyone can you know you don't see one so if you're going to. get on that is on the other and then i briefly and then i go to your mother did you want to say anything else than that just what i'm saying is our country is very open we have democratic country everyone is free to believe or not to believe whatever he wants what i'm saying is as a lawyer as a polish as
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a christian when i'm seen throughout the ages when i see the history and when i see the state of the you being in you now i do believe that the real value is not the it's not out there in google it's roman law right there's obviously lots of you have to really have time to get into that later max cry your vision of europe in a minute the first thing is that we distinguish between europe and the union europe a place of a lot of virus of diversity and variety of peoples and cultures on a very small room globally and that's makes you a rich. and we well you the riot says governments of all those peoples and countries we have in europe on the other hand there is a common ground of my colleague told us which is the tradition of a free philosophy in roman lore. and of course we have to do something and common and every serious european politics which is reliable has to balance our trade
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between the except terms our serenity and off the diversity of cultures on the one hand and on the other hand to look what is needed to do in a joint way and what we see today is that almost all parties we have in germany accept us the only say more brussels and more unionist and we say no it's not the answer we have to look orders better solved better government on a regional level hauritz and that is our point you've said in the past that europe needs to rediscover and value its cultural heritage yes and identity why some europeans do some don't set choice countries move forward that is true but countries evolve the world evolve yes but you you only can involve onion know where you come from you need it you need of common ground the common ground you want to go back to days of strong nation states to strongly one surely the first since the
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truth isn't it was felt that well isn't that the first thing that these these nationalist extremist parties to france and i hate it when they get to power we want is act women's rights is attack b.t.i. right the first is attacking you know the genders that is allegedly to mr know women's rights women just and women trying like. can we can we women that are wives and and gay rights are now under attack because of the muslim immigration and so you know walk a straight right into narrow field or attack a women's rights and detect gay rights in countries like poland and countries under c e countries you don't have attacks on the streets on gays and on women forced you have it you have it in countries very have a very high are having spirited there nothing against their governor great women's rights we don't care line and we really. poland is a free country germany is a free country france is a free country every country is
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a free country the european union is the first let me you you are too interventionist let the others talk and it's better than i can you know deal being union is a free assembly of nations all of them head for join or love really. put down the loyalty to the principle its decision is done in common so i don't see this sudden. for the deck in the last century usa my nation is to create just my nation mr free is ok some months. ok long to your new one not only tonight but what you write and what you talk to other ok i know i want to tell us i wonder and i want to take the discussion on your little bit simpler life i want to. shoot it serves not to remove and if we talked on the subject of migration i'd like to continue with it for a few moments because not only is it one of the biggest issues facing the european
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union but it's arguably one of its biggest failures isn't it in the way what what chance that the next parliament will do better than this one in setting out a policy that can command a consensus because you don't have action actually parliament actually reached consensus on the entire assignment package another migrant it is actually the council where it's completely summed up member countries as in the council that you don't chose are the representatives of the liberal m.p.'s so i am going to and that's exactly something you can sell to the right time to say look you know that's a bad experience or can i just have yes this is what it is that you know the council has become somewhat of a. of a kind of black box everything stops there nothing moves forward whereas the parliament has actually been able to find broad consensus looting in extremis but the socialist liberals e.p. greens i mean there was a. brought to life very very but resolution yeah ok so i'm going to let you come in let me let me tell you how it's like they set up the fire and now they're trying to
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use the water to set it down complete nonsense ok thank you very much for your. letter i mean it's not even so much you're going to think it's really months much variance in the european parliament socialist liberals. so and the council is socialist and they have all the tools to do so and ours conservatories really is no let me let them let me tell you i don't want to leave you a chance to come in so i can sell you my jury to see for years liberals n.p.p. and socialists they have all the tools to set up to solve the problem but they can't they do not know oh i'm galen merkel was looking for cheap labor she didn't want to help anyone and then she found out that she they don't want to work they don't want to learn the language so they she found out i have to send them back some of them that's why she yeah that's what is used to send them saying i'm now
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just a few once a day they have just read it however you want to answer that listen to such nonsense but ok that's and work with someone who is the average mom is it my own laziness it is so the angular man i could avoid having to immigrants for cheap labor. finishes it i think we had a problem in two fifteen to sixteen because rate of boy. the boy and syria boys when they vote and nobody. could see the hundreds thousands of people walking out of the misery but in the meantime if you look what we have achieved we have a whole package of measures we have no done terrific ation everybody who comes in the euro is it and he fired we have. worked on our borders respond thinks we have done the package with africa the countries where most of the poverty mike and scum so i think sit up in the ocean learn yeah. yeah but i don't.
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know you know me and. very successful policy because you have not the migration flows four years ago. of i don't have anybody who are doing vices in the middle east and poverty in africa you will have migration order time and. two minutes are together another place it is you are like me got me going don't let me go to your mom here i got really to you really get. water in your mother's brain of you know i want to read marx cry my goodness if you are so you have your knees crying to be correct like these are local i just roger i'm sure i am not your most sincerely sorry for us are we clean the law is so we did lose just let max finance a lot of typical lies of the german left from tax has increased the numbers of it of migrants over the mediterranean sea and then our friend mathilde so he came and closed the borders and closed the ports he stopped migration the balkan routes all stopped but. i don't why is merkel wouldn't be chancellor anymore if he didn't stop
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the migration and two thousand and fifteen if that means or money and salvini did the job what do you know tell us is the great success of the european union to. last me for months let me answer my concerns let me big i like to think he's the u.p.a. in the union would have taken control over the hungary and borders and ports we would not have stopped immigration at all that means our side solves the problems that you created by by take the migrants to europe because syria is not our neighbor ok look some. things well i agree with parts what you said i disagree with one thing as long as we know that there are thirty five thousand people dead in the mediterranean we cannot talk about success if we see mr orbit starving migrants to death and locking them up in containers i do not consider that looks like an option
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so slow maybe i can finish that candidate who's going to have any new things that i think i thank you so ok well let's all go and visit it's going to of been at about one forty second you never finish i wasn't i wasn't aware that mr orban is running lebanon i think he's running hungry and talking so i didn't feel general build a fence migrants or people in europe make this my claim on. literally needs migration for them and we need to we we need control mannish like rationing we need to be only just about what we are doing is building fortress europe which is just the equivalent to european equivalent of trumping all ok and i think it is true that a lot of problems than migration history do and i already pointed out i did not and i couldn't move on to our first question from our invited representatives of civil society under storyline from human rights watch what is it you'd like to us he's very much. thank you very much. in europe the most important political lesson of the twentieth century was that political intolerance can lead to the end of
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democracy and to horrific crimes now today's europe we hear exactly the same rhetoric coming from far right politicians attacking minorities attacking migrants attacking. anyone they can get their hands on we hear anti semitism we hear islamophobia so i am going to ask you a very specific question in minute touches he mr touch and he said just hold on if you can just be quiet for five seconds before you take power i would like to know what the parties on the right think about history did you learn absolutely nothing from twentieth century european history absolutely nothing you mr cross said learning our history is very important and you sit here and you repeat the phrases that we heard in the one nine hundred twenty nine hundred thirty s. it's outrageous now is your question mr touch and here we go you want a christian europe where does that leave those of us who aren't christian are we second class citizens we medical experiments what do you want with us and to you on
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the other side the left what are going to do about these people what do you know offer the public to show these people for what they are and just do something about the mad men this time so we don't have a repeat of last time. don't touch inskeep ok so the christian europe is not muslim euro i don't want islamization i'm not the only do you want to dance or i want you want to answer no i listen to you so listen to me now i don't want islamization in europe i don't want terrorism i think it undermines your answer i don't think he did listen to you things so it's not vote question it wasn't a question of asa coon's on trying to answer the question i don't want i don't want islamization of europe i don't want terrorism in europe there is no christians who are shouting christ is the law before they blow themselves up but every single terrorist attack is it's followed by a lot of bar this is just
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a fact and christianity decision chances are ok let me let me say what i think so. what i said every country is a free and democratic country you can be a muslim hindu nonbeliever i don't care but for me my value is christianity and this is my program as a politician and then the nation is deciding that's that's how democracy works so that is why our government was elected that's why our governments are elected in hungary in sweden in other countries so let people decide what is important for them for me who's johnny and the christian values are important let people decide and don't tell them how the country should look like because this is what you think it's called democracy let people vote. was there was a question very like there are times when you're winning when you really wouldn't think your emotions are not going to be the same thing use military commissions or
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not every second we're not interested in general and that was asked of sophie and would you like to answer this i think what you call democracy which which i actually mean is the rule of the majority and i think the essence of democracy is that we also take care of minorities eleanora to use so that in something very different and in my europe people are free to hold any religion that they have and they will not be and they will all this is what i've said they will all be treated and reprinted equally by the public authorities and that's a big difference and it also means that there are that there is equal treatment of men and women there is i would have an aerial of equal treatment well actually you are attacking women's rights like for example their sexual and reproductive health and right and i'll answer that it was the animal not for human reproductive animals i represent priests that have finished things people are having a babies having a lot of not reproduction extensions and things not a fair go. i'll try and answer to mr storyline i think one of
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the mistakes that we have made over the years is that whenever a pro european centrist moderate forces are talking about europe they're talking about europe in very technocratic terms about internal market which i wholeheartedly support and a common currency and we don't have to gots to actually stand up for the europe of values and i stand for a europe of progressive values of equality your brother has been have i should different values yes well you know in my europe you have always been a little select titles even to lose and what i want to bet yes you're going to hell i'm real are you people i don't work together how you can work together because one of the duties of politicians is to compromise how you can work together i'm very open but i am not open for full madness to me the illegal migration which is called refuge refugees they are not refugees i keep repeating the refugees the person who flee to the first safe country from the country of the conflict not flying throughout the globe so if we are talking about the rule of law and the rules are
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broken and the words are used in a sense in a different way how can you how can you corporate how can you respect the rule of law when you want to let go of migration is not a rigid e.g. by the law one word one word because my europe's not just europe of equality but also the europe of diversity where everybody has a place because diversity is exactly what his mate europe the best most prosperous freest and safest continent in the world is not it's not that saving your country i'm going out so i'm just going to go back to and say you know and by the very briefly very briefly are you encouraged by anything you heard. i think it's very revealing that mr chen's he refuses to answer the question about what he would do with non christians in his christian europe yes i think that explains their absolutely everything feeling what they were it's very clear to me i've heard this rhetoric in the one hundred twenty s. in the one hundred thirty s. in europe we know where your talk leads you can shake your head all you want but
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we've seen it before we've been here before and europe is sick of it and we're not but not with men like this we're like ok when they are much all right next question comes from alexandrina my mortgage from the european civic forum what would you like to us please thank you. in today's europe. raising inequalities fear of the future and a growing number of people who feel left behind these are undermining democracy and trust in a common future and progressive populist forces are surfing on these feelings with quite success i would say they so this failure of democracy to deliver access to rights for all with less democracy because they build collective identities based on exclusion. and they try to shrink and to. shut up the space for dissent for democratic checks and balances for civil
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society for media for akademi and so on and so forth we come to a question but my question is addressed to the progressive camp. what kind of policies do we need to get out of this deadlock because it's not enough to say that we are pro europeans alongside what you said in the beginning what kind of policies we need to bring equality and solidarity and to make this european project great for all ok joe line and. receive all our societies and even between states the strong get stronger and the rica stay weak or get weaker the rich get richer and the others the new poor do not do well fronts and therefore i think it's the big task of the next years to put social dimension of our european politics in the center we have to have standards for it to countries whether it's minimum wage
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whether it's access to health whether it's proper pension system what it is i don't retail sales it's not what we had worked thirty years to get conversions in the monetary area it is possible to get the same under social there is some pressure now to cut off funding to those countries that don't abide by some of the rules are you in favor of that we have to do in the next financial framework a lot of funds for child care for youth unemployment for really helping countries to raise the standards and not to lower them but i think the fragmentation of social fragmentation in our society is to root for populism for expression and this goes against immigrants it goes against minorities and at the ends it goes against everything they don't like their government or of. because the european union so i think technically the root causes of fragmentation in society is the big
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issue of the next let your facts cross you have to first sentence you don't solve problems in economic problems by centralization and more rules from brussels so that we solve it by competition and by giving back the economic decisions back to do people who are the economic actors that's the first thing you can't have a common minimum wage in romania and in germany you know the same ones so you have to have different solutions of the first thing the sex the next that i wonder a little bit that the member of the social democrats who introduced agenda twenty ten in germany and to make a lot of reforms exactly the other way around is now proposing social politics the peace party and poland introduced to social politics as a market economy for the right man and your partner the p.o. platform of the dollar top to ask the introduce a lot of corruption and unsocial policy so well or badly rosina tails out of any
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best available rounds to speak about the new era we are living and another than it already and we not only need we've got it we don't need more regulation and rustles we need more flexibility more competition and more market economy for small businesses and not for the big national conference that are your friends and your supporters this is a long way very briefly the only way to move on now one of the key principles in the european treaty is economic and social cohesion so we have a big market the market is competition there we have to head to small and medium sized companies that is not a problem but. that competition is overhears the big get bigger stronger still there are huge disparities are there except three engineer found we have to buy do we have politics politics is there to correct a failure that is not doing it is going to be for me not doing it and you had a chance. we need to have a social cohesion poor lucy that's what could or i told her my you know i'm going
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to i'm going to move on because we can ask one question to me well because this thing is we're running out of time why you need to move on yet you believe in the nation state you know does one thousand nine hundred three invention to be the answer to the twenty first century challenges do you think that nation states are actually up to the multinationals like up or if a country like ireland for example has to be obliged by the european commission to living thirteen billion euros in texas never mind microsoft and facebook and all the others i mean that's the world you know four and national tax revenue service or order of the multinational you can have been. listening to other people don't you if you if for the big multinationals the national tax revenue service the actual seven have an issue with respect. alex cross you won't be nearly sure that very or a very very correct punish can i finish my sentence please for a while so long as you know i just won the nazi nationals you know national tax
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revenue services are like snack and are just shopping around in europe so if we want you to stand up against the big multinationals and make them pay taxes in europe then we have to do that together as a european ok that's why you haven't done it yet and so so much crap in the first thing is you can't explain switzerland on the base on your three because the people in switzerland they have high wages and they have a high living standards and they have to multinational and country and the part i think a max of state pay taxes that's a physics second even in the european union they don't pay taxes so obviously something goes wrong with it in your your large space and the point is i agree with you that a customs union needs a joint customs and trade policy otherwise it doesn't work but we don't need to join liberal lore we don't need a joint minimum wage and we don't need a joint novel ok it's all right nice cross thank you. thank you for that we have to move on now and we're going to take two questions together first from richard
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gardner from global witness and then leo hofmann x. down from transparency international richard will you go first please thank you very much for the opportunity to speak today my question concerns somewhere where europe is very integrated just the financial system europe is one of the largest global markets in the world this means money from all of the world is flowing in and out of europe on a daily minute by minute basis that means there's a high likelihood that the e.u. financial system is helping to fund human rights abuses to fuel via mental destruction globally also to inadvertently or potentially intentionally funding are fueling and corrupt city and corruption and also money laundering this european parliament did try to do a lot of good work and under the guidance of the commission to tackle that but what is your vision of how this parliament can act on this in particular to make sure that european. it does not fuel environmental destruction which is something critical at this stage of seeing the un report about species act this week and also the recent i.p.c.c. one point five degrees and also to make sure that your tackles money laundering
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which has been an issue and has prompted ok give us an example because we've been taking another question at the same time leo hofmann axtell your question please for transparency international thank you well in recent years we've not only seen one topic on the e.u. scene we've not only seen people speak about migration or using the issue for their political goals we've also seen a steady erosion and very very young or ocean of the rule of law and of the macwrite the institutions in the member states we've seen direct attacks on the independence of the judiciary we've seen governments threatening media freedom intimidating civil society shockingly we've even seen two journalists murdered for their investigations into corruption the condemnation however from political leaders in brussels has only come if it were governments in the members member states that were ruled by the opposing parties and actually this is not just a case in the so-called rule of law and justice government in poland it's also the
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case with the conservatives and hungary it's the case was the socialists and malta and it's also the case with the prime minister bobbish and his conflict of interest was the liberals in the czech republic so my question to you is what do you intend in the next legislature to do about this and i would mainly ask the parties that i expect to let me actually do some of these reforms in government thank you ok thank you for your question or for your opinion it is true that the free media were interested in the past in poland i am the best example i used to work as a director of the polish public television and i was fired when civic platform one election just because my views are conservative i was a member of the party and i was fired. and the best example you're right liberals just throw me away i lost my job so you're right the free media are wearing the risk involved in the past not any more judiciary the difference between german
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system and polish the of judiciary is that minister of justice in germany appointing the judges and in poland minister of justice cannot appoint the judge not through. the parliament but the rule but the decision making by political decision is making by the minute let me finish let me. let me finish so we need an answer on tackling corruption corruption ok money laundering who was the one who was invited to the european poland parliament two weeks ago madam called stuff from the open dialogue foundation and we found out that she is into the money laundering from russia and she was invited by the socialist to be the reporting european parliament ok thank you very much ok to start sophie. yeah ok this is very briefly because we're running out a giant migration very bad i think and probably the one thing that the just the only thing that we will ever agree on is that indeed the fact that the european
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commission has only dared to target poland. addressing the fundamental rights violations and the rule of law violations is because they're the law and justice party is not a member of the family or any of the other families and that is why i was very honored to be repertory or of a proposal for a brought mechanism to uphold democracy the rule of law and fundamental rights in other words the so-called article two of the treaty values and i am very confident that even if it took some time for the european commission and the european council to come to the. realization that we need such mechanism i think it will materialize in the next in the next period and that means that all the member states will be assessed. on the basis of the same criteria on a regular annual basis something the council of europe decided in february an offshoot of the council of europe press freedom in europe is now in
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a worse state than at any time since the cold war how worrying is that joe line very briefly very briefly we're running out of time it's absolutely boring because those in power in some countries try to undermine the freedom of press and we have been on top burgeon new media fake news on a daily basis from morning till morning so we're really in danger to losing from one of our democracies by mechanisms that undermine the really spirit of a decent and really true dialogue and argument is undermined by those mechanisms from governments in power as well as other powers outside the e.u. who try to money political public remarks cross i worry about this state of press freedom in europe i'm very worried about because what we see now is the attempt of
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the governments to censor it is so strong that for the social media and for instance the shoreline is partly introduced and it's fair to set source because that's the sort of censorship lore in germany that leads facebook and twitter to to to to block a lot of. the of hate speech of hate speech you make facebook which is a private owned company to be to censor the net for which is shameful we have more blocked users of facebook and twitter in germany then we have in russia and you sit here and tell me you overt about freedom of press and freedom of expression that is a live it is typical for your party to see typical for your party interests and the point is that that freedom of opinion is now mostly in the internet bad people debate and disk. and governments mostly left wing liberal governments especially the party of july and they introduced laws to undermine the freedom of keeping it
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in the internet and that's very shameful and this is something we the end immediately if we get the possibility to do so you bring get through bring freedom to our line you know you have twenty seconds are you not shamed by that not at all why not just about the hate speech is really fall it's a speech being we guarantee your freedom of speech not sure phil pinion but what we see on the internet is really beyond the red lines and you have to have measures to really limit all right we're going to have to leave that question there my thanks to our for panelists and taking questions in the audience and to all of you for watching don't forget there's a longer version of this debate which you can find online for now from all of us on the team here the european parliament in brussels thank you.
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