story the world is real regarding itself and the media's role is to keep the topic focused on the global media forum 20 dogs today one out of 2 people is online who are we following do we trust to beijing and shape the future at the touch of the local media for wanting to. get out of. france's president claims europe is in the grip of a civil war in italy hungry and poland leading politicians say they're fighting to save europe's christian soul which way will the continent turn that's our debate from the european parliament here in the heart of brussels.

hello and welcome to the conference on the banks battle lines are being drawn ahead of the european elections with more than 400000000 people eligible to vote and increasingly it's a europe of stark contrasts last week about a 1000 fascist sympathisers gave stiff arm salutes and clashed with riot police in milan this information campaigns are said to be running at full tilt and commission president john told you because warned that if nationalist parties on the margins of the right and left take the upper hand it would mean the end of liberal democracy and free society so on issues ranging from migration to rule of law or security and sovereignty our panelists have plenty to argue about something insulters a dutch n.e.p. and 1st vice president of the alliance of liberals and democrats for europe she's a member of several parliamentary committees including civil liberties. dominic touchin ski is a member of the polish parliament for the ruling law and justice party he sits on the foreign and e.u.

affairs committees geralyn has been a member of the european parliament for 20 years with a progressive alliance of socialists and democrats and is well known for his support for a federal europe max crys vice chairman of the f.t. the i'll tell it even for the excellence in the german state of saxony and number 3 in the party's federal list for the european elections that's our panel. before we take questions from our invited audience including members of civil society groups i'm going to ask each of our politicians to set out very briefly the cons of european future they'd like to see sophie and felt can i ask you to start us off this minute thank you very much and good evening everybody. we are living in a world of trouble china that's becoming stronger political global actor a world where we see big forces like facebook while away apple who are actually more powerful sometimes than states and that is why we need

a very strong united and unify europe in order to stand up to these forces and to protect the our quality of life our way of life but the 2nd thing i would like to say is just as important this is not just about a strong europe it's also about europe as a community of values and those values are equality equal rights for all and not everybody believes in that and i think this is very much on the ballot on the 23rd to 26th of may and i will be campaigning for equal rights for gender equality for freedom of conscience for bt i rights a europe that is for everybody ok thank you very much you want to united europe you want to strong europe but voter turnout has gone down in every single european parliament election since they began it's going to be different this time. we don't

know i think 1st of all we see in the polls that support for europe is actually going up and the fact that people are critical is not a bad thing it's a good thing it means that people are taking ownership of europe to do that there's still gerry yes we'll see whether that trend will continue and of course the turnout has to go up if we have to right to vote we should use it because that's how we. democracy a life. this is an organization the european parliament has failed time and again to connect to ordinary people bret's it is proof of that and you know i don't think bricks it is proof of that we don't know that the analysis on what breaks it really means is still out because i think you know the reasons why people voted for brics it are maybe very much connected to the reasons why american people voted for trump and incidentally to turn out if you're in. their freedom you can maybe you can carry out the american turnout at the american elections is not very high either but it's clear that people are facing

a choice of the kind of world they want to live in some people would like to go back in time take rights away from people you know end equality and pluralism and free democracy and that is really what's at stake here for a government dominant touching come to europe you'd like to see i'd like to see christian europe christian europe as a faith as a law as a culture of like to see the europe which was built on the christian values this is who you are this is what i've said previously that christianity is our d.n.a. and it's not about our faith only it's about the ages of all of the previous generations is who you are and from the christianity comes out the whole the whole culture roman law greek philosophers this is this is what was built on christianity so what i don't or and. as a new structure of the society. without christianity i don't like people messing

around like mr shorrosh he's playing with the nations he's financing organisations who are absolutely anti christian some agree that equality is very important that's why i don't want i want to see churches like 24 churches within week burned in france i don't want to see that so that's the only dissembling right that's the symbol so i want christian roots i think safety even to europe we've got the point you pride yourself on christian values that's right but your attitudes to immigration run directly counter to christian values don't they at least in the eyes of the pope the catholic pope jesus is present he said in the migrants and refugees who seek safety and a dignified life in a new land it is christ he said we're not on our door hungry thirsty a stranger naked 100 things and agree and imprisoned but we better be not knocking on your door but if you are let them in because the difference between illegal immigration and refugee is a legal difference by the international law i keep repeating it for the last 3 or 5

years we don't mind to take refugees in they submit their documents and ask for permission to be told that we don't mind nothing's changed in 20 years of free poland you don't want muslim immigrants they don't want illegal migration and you don't want to lose a limb so you're talking about legal christian no no no no you want a distance we don't want illegal migration if it's christian if it's mostly if it's hindu or it's not believe or we don't want illegal migration we don't want people on the boats coming without documents or with the 5 years there's a little oh let me here let me let me finish so if they want to come to poland they can apply didn't submit the documents but what is happening now is just the madness which is again something rules and regular you say our soul is alive and the west's soul is dead and that's right suddenly your expert on cells what makes you the keeper of the sacred truth. first of all just quickly yes because i'm a roman catholic so all the spirit is very important to me obviously this is just the picture. through fas that 85 percent of polish societies catholic and we

cherish our traditional telling the rest of europe how to live by without telling anyone we want you saying it's devalues the real value for europe we value our role in the christianity not about the beautiful words john and your vision of europe these intimate imo roman catholic myself i have a totally different vision of my polish pretty much as the slogan of yours diversity and unity unity and diversity diversity makes us rich in any aspect and i think relived to visit very good 60 years of european integration has for us this peace and freedom and now in these years we have to secure well being and security so i think that we have to complete the common market in a digital europe it's really a set we have to be fair up in the social aspects i think it's a scandal that some people don't pay taxes serious normal people have to pay their

taxes look on the golf like amazon and google they don't pay their taxes is the absolute candid and certain sustainable ecologically i mean it's a must to be live over the planetary limits and i think climate protection is one of the key issues in next year's all right you've said. you've said also in the past if you want a strong and sovereign europe to defend the unions interests and values in the globalized world this is what you've said but the e.u. already has enormous power as the world's largest trading bloc and it's not using it for that is it it's not defending values basic values you know a lot about human rights for instance in egypt continue to sign trade deals with them you don't use the power that you do is right in the only economically we are really a giant the biggest market in the verge better behave like we're definitely we are 12 and indeed we have to really improve. in our political let's

say outlook towards divergent and really. working with our values and our principles but i think that you also see iraq in agreements with libya saying your rights migrants and you have them incarcerated for years in holding centers where the abused and beaten up you know look do you i'm going to be proud of. the words 50 percent of. human aid is coming from you we are not as good as we should be but let's say don't work to earn it next let's just later make your priorities because it's all about words it's all right isn't it isn't it true because i am i am also object strongly to those deals who are not in line with our values and i think part of the reason why europe is concluding these deals is because some governments like your government refuse to participate in the common the citing of migration. policy and you're actually you have you or your you know nation as you have you know saw income you have beautiful words but

you you don't actually put them into practice and it is true when you say that on the one hand you basically want to create a sea or krissy and christiane it has to be christian and at the same time countries democratic ok everyone can you know you don't see one so if you're going to that's only going to. briefly and then i'll go to mexico your mother did you want to say anything else than that you know i just just what i'm saying is our country is very open we are democratic country everyone is free to believe or not to believe whatever he wants what i'm saying is as a lawyer as a polish as a christian when i see throughout the ages when i see the history and what i see the state of the you've been you now i do believe that the real value is not the it's not out there in google it's roman law right it's already laws if you have a really hard to get into that later much cry your vision of europe you know in a minute the 1st thing is that we distinguish between europe and the union europe a place of a lot of virus of diversity and morality of peoples and cultures on

a very small room globally and that's makes europe rich. and we while you the riot of certain governments of all those peoples and countries we have in europe on the other hand there is a common ground of my colleague told us with just a tradition of greed of greek philosophy and roman lore. and of course we have to do something and common and every serious european politics which is reliable has to balance out between the acceptance of serenity and off the diversity of cultures on the one hand and on the other hand to look what is needed to do and i'm joined by a and what we see today is that almost all parties we have in germany except us the only say more brussels and more unionist and we say no it's not the answer we have to look what is better solved and better government on a regional level or 8 and that is our point you've said in the past that europe

needs to rediscover and value its cultural heritage and identity why some europeans do some don't set choice countries move forward that is true countries evolve the world evolve yes but you you only can involve onion know where you come from you need to you need a common ground the common ground you want to go back to days of strong nation states to strong we want the 1st since the truth is and it was felt back at that isn't that the 1st thing that these these nationalist extremist parties to france and i know when they get to power we want is act women's rights is attacked b.t.i. right of for is attacking us that is allegedly to mr know women's rights women's rights and goodmans riot like and. all but can we can we women that are wives and and gay rights are now under attack because of the muslim immigrations or you know orchestra in the narrow field under attack. women's rights and their take gay

rights and in countries like poland and countries undersea econ trees you don't have attacks on the streets on gays and on very unfortunate you have it you have it in countries very have a very high i mean they're nothing mr governor great women's right we don't care line and we really. are. poland is a free country germany is a free country fans of the free country every country is a free country the european union is the 1st let me you you are too interventionist let the others talk and then expect and i give you no deal being union is a free assembly of nations all of them had to join all over the really. loyalty to a principle. decision done in common so i don't see this sudden.

for the deck in the last century usa my nation is to create this my nation is to free is ok some months. ok when i listen to your new one not only tonight but blood you riot and what you talk to i'll tell you i want to take as i want of any and i want to take the discussion on a little bit simpler life i want to stop this i'm not sure it serves not and you need to talk just on the subject of migration i'd like to continue with it for a few moments because not only is it one of the biggest issues facing the european union but it's arguably one of its biggest failures isn't in the way what what chance that the next parliament will do better than this one in setting out a policy that can command a consensus because you don't have action actually parliament actually reached consensus on the entire sign of package another migrant it is actually to council where it's completely saw no member countries in the council that you don't chose are to represent this of the liberal m.p.'s or them and that's exactly something you can sell to that time to somebody and that's

a very severe statement can i just. point is that you know the council has become somewhat of a. of a kind of black box everything stops there nothing moves forward whereas the parliament has actually been able to find broad consensus polluting the extremist but the socialist liberals e.p. p. greens i mean there was a. ross i like your merry but resolution yeah ok so i'm here and it's coming let me let me tell you how they set up the fire and now they're trying to use the water to set it down complete nonsense ok thank you very much for your. understanding of islam and they're going to think it's really months much variance in the european parliament socialist liberals. so and the council is socialist and they have all the tools they can sell out if they do so it was conservatives really is no let me let them let me tell you i don't want to give you a chance to come in so i can still be my jury at sea for years it's liberals e.p.

and socialists they have all the tools set up to solve the problem but they can't they do not know how i'm galen merkel was looking for cheap labor she didn't want to help anyone and then she found out that they don't want to work they don't want to learn the language so they she found out i have to send them back so that's why she said yeah that's what is used to send them saying i'm out just a tiny one so that if they had just read it our reaction you want us to that listen to such nonsense but ok that's what proceed one is the ever visit my legislators to anger them then i could avoid having the immigrants for cheap labor. finishes it i think we had a problem in 215 to 16 because rate of oil. the war in syria. when they vote and nobody could see the hundreds thousands of people walking out of the

misery but in the meantime if you look what we have achieved we have a whole package of measures we have no done terrific ation everybody who comes in the is it done he fired we have. worked on our board us respond takes we have done the package with africa the country's most of the poverty mike and scum so i think in the ocean business alone yeah. yeah. i know you're alone in the success of this very successful policy because you have not the migration flows of 4 years ago you are of the neighborhood to prices in the middle east and poverty in africa you will have migration all the time and. 2 minutes are together not place it is you are like let me go let me go let me go be a man here right through to you really get. water in your mother's friend of yours

later i'm going to mark scrambling with security you have your describe correctly like these are the local i started on the cross i am. sorry for you started weeping goliath so we did lose just let max thank you and so a lot of typical lies of the german left from tanks has increased in numbers of of migrants over the mediterranean sea and then our friend mathilde so many came and closed the borders are closed he stopped migration the balkan routes all stopped but. otherwise merkel wouldn't be chancellor anymore if he didn't stop the migration and 2015 that means or man and salvini did the job well do you know tell us is a great success of the european union to. last me for months. and seems let me speak i actually like to think he's the u.p.a. in union would have taken control over the hungary and borders and ports he would not have stopped immigration at all that means our side solves the problems that

you created by by take the migrants to europe because syria is not our neighbor ok look some. things well i agree with parts what you said but i disagree with one thing as long as we know that there are 35000 people dead in the mediterranean we cannot talk about success if we see mr orbit starving migrants to dance and locking them up in containers i do not consider it an extra liaison officers from ai to finish that kind of energies when i think the new things that have been are fake news ok well let's all go and visit it signals and then the i've been at about 142nd you never finish i wasn't i wasn't aware that mr orban is running lebanon i think he's running hungry and talking about it like it is until general the 5th migrants or people in europe make this my claim on. laurel needs migration for them and we need to we we need control mannish like rationing we need to be only in what we are doing is building fortress europe which is just the equivalent to european

equivalent of trumping all ok i get into a lot of other problems than migration history do and i read one lot of the national move onto 1st question from our invited representatives of civil society under storyline from human rights watch what is it you'd like to ask these very much is thank you very much in europe the most important political lesson of the 20th century was that political intolerance can lead to the end of democracy and to horrific crimes now today's europe we hear exactly the same rhetoric coming from far right politicians attacking minorities attacking migrants attacking. anyone they can get their hands on we hear anti-semitism we hear islamophobia so i am going to ask you a very specific question in minute touch and if you missed attractions he said just hold on if you can just be quiet for 5 seconds before you take power i would like

to know what the parties on the right think about history did you learn absolutely nothing from 20th century european history absolutely nothing you mr krause said learning our history is very important and you sit here and you repeat the phrases that we heard in the 192930 s. it's outrageous now is your question mr touch and here we go you want a christian europe where does that leave those of us who aren't christian we 2nd class citizens we medical experiments what do you want with us and to you on the other side the left what are going to do about these people what do you know offer the public to show these people for what they are and just do something about the mad men this time so we don't have a repeat of last time. don't touch inskeep ok so the christian europe is not muslim euro i don't want islamization i'm not the only do you want to dance or i want you want to answer no i listen to you so listen you know i don't want

islamization in europe i don't want terrorism i don't underrate your hands i don't know if. he did listen to things so. now vote question it wasn't a question of asa coon's i'm trying to answer the question i don't want i don't want islamization of europe i don't want terrorism in europe there is no christians who are shouting christ is the law before they blow themselves up but every single terrorist attack is it's followed by a lot of bar this is just a fact and christianity decision chances are ok let me let me say what i think so. what i said every country is a free and democratic country you can be a muslim hindu nonbeliever i don't care but for me my value is christianity and this is my program as a politician and then the nation is deciding that's that's how democracy works so that is why our government was elected that's why our governments are elected in

hungary in sweden in other countries so let people decide what is important for them for me johnny and christian values are important let people decide and don't tell them how the country should look like because this is what you think it's called democracy let people vote away the. question david like there are times when you're winning when you least like your really. not going to the same thing you know you can ensure they're not ever a 2nd please we're not interested in generating that was asked of so who. would you like to answer this i think what you call democracy which which i actually mean is the rule of the majority and i think the essence of democracy is that we also take care of minority eleanora t.v. . so that is something very different and in my europe people are free to hold any religion that they have and they will not be and they will all this is what i say they will all be treated and represented equally by the public authorities and

that's a big difference and that also means that there are that there is equal treatment of men and women there is i have an aerial equal treatment well actually you are attacking women's rights like for example their sexual and reproductive health and right and i'll answer that the animals for human reproductive animals i represent. people are having a babies they having a lot of not reproduction extensions in trees not a fair go. i'll try and answer to mr storyline i think one of the mistakes that we have made over the years is that whenever a pro european centrist moderate forces are talking about europe they're talking about europe in very technocratic terms about internal markets which i wholeheartedly support and a common currency we don't have to gets to actually stand up for the europe of values and i stand for a europe of progressive values of equality for have i should different values yes

well you know in my europe you're going to lose a leg titled you know what i want to bet because you're going to hammer away you people out of work together how you can work together because one of the duties of politicians is to compromise how you can work together i'm very open but i am not open for full madness to me the illegal migration which is called refuge refugees they are not refugees i keep repeating the refugees the person who flee to defer state concrete us from the country of the conflict not flying throughout the globe so if we are talking about the rule of law and the rules are broken and the words are used in this in a different way how can you how can cooperate and how can you respect the rule of law when when you let go of migration is not the rigi by the law one word one word because my europe's not just europe of equality but also the europe of diversity where everybody has a place because diversity is exactly what has made europe the best most prosperous free and safest continent in the world is not

a fairy tale it's not that so you know. i'm just going to go back to and say you know and by the very briefly very briefly are you encouraged by anything you heard . i'm sorry but i think it's very revealing that mr chen's he refuses to answer the question about what he would do with non christians and his christian europe yes i think that explains their absolutely everything really what they were it's very clear so we have heard this rhetoric in the 120 s. in the 130 s. in europe we know where your talk leads you can shake your head all you want but we've seen it before we've been here before and europe is sick of it and we're not putting up with men like this we will educate when they are much all right next question comes from alexandrina my mother which from the european civic forum what would you like to us thank you thank you in today's europe. raising inequalities fear of the future and a growing number of people who feel left behind these are undermining democracy

and trust in a common future and progressive populist forces are surfing on these feelings with quite success i would say they so this failure of democracy to deliver access to rights for all with less democracy because they build collective identities based on exclusion. and they try to shrink and to. shut up the space for dissent for democratic checks and balances for civil society for media for akademi and so on and so forth come to a question but my question is addressed to the progressive count. what kind of policies do we need to get out of this deadlock because it's not enough to say that we are pro europeans alongside what you said in the beginning what kind of policies we need to bring equality and solidarity and to make this european project great

for all ok draw a line of. receive all our societies and even between states the strong get stronger and the weakest the weak or get weaker than the rich get richer and the other stay poor lodging without fronts and therefore i think it's the big task of the next 2 years to put social dimension of our european politics in the center we have to have standards for the countries whether it's minimum wage where they had access to health whether it's proper pension system what if they don't. like what we had 30 years to get conversions in the monetary area it is possible to get the same under social there is some pressure now to cut off funding to those countries that don't abide by some of the rules are you in favor of that you know we have to do in the next financial framework a lot of funds for child care for youth unemployment for really helping countries

to raise the standards and not to lower them but i think the fragmentation of social fragmentation in our society is to root for populism for i question and this goes against immigrants it goes against minorities and at the end it goes against everything they don't like their government or of. because the european union so i think technically the root causes of fragmentation in society is the big issue of the next let your facts cross you have to 1st thing is we don't solve problems in economic problems by centralization and more rules from brussels so that we solve it by competition and by giving back the economic decisions back to to people who are the economic actors that's the 1st thing you can't have a common minimum wage in romania and in germany the same ones so you have to have different solutions of the 1st and the sex the next that i wonder

a little bit that the member of the social democrats who introduced a gender trying to china and germany and to make a lot of reforms exactly the other way around is now proposing social politics the peace party and poland introduce the social politics as a market economy for the literary man and your partner the p.o. platform of top introduce a lot of corruption and unsocial policy so well or badly rosy i might tell so many best on the liberal side speak about the new era when they're not available and strong and we not only need we've got it we don't need more regulation and rustles we need more flexibility more competition and more market economy for small businesses and not for the big multinational conference that are your friends and your supporters there are things that are a long way very briefly the only way to move on now one of the key principles and treaty is economic and social cohesion so we have

a big market the market is competition down there we have to head the small and medium sized companies that is another problem but. that competition over the years the big get bigger stronger and stronger a huge disparities on their bank sector himself and we have to why do we have politics politics is there to correct failure as it is not doing it is going to be for me not doing it and you had a chance. we need to have a social grease imported see that's what could or i told her my god i'm going or i'm going to move on because we can ask one question to mr well because this is we're running out of time why you need to move on if you believe in the nation state you know does 1903 invention to be the answer to the 21st century challenges do you think that nation states are actually up to the multinationals like apple if a country like ireland for example has to be obliged by the european commission to living 13000000000 euros in texas never mind microsoft and facebook and all the

others i mean that's the world you know 4 and national tax revenue service or order of the multinational you can have been. listening to other people don't you if you if for the big multinationals the national tax revenue service the actual service have an issue with respect. alex cross you want the knowledge you are the very are a very very favorite punished can i finish my sentence please how do you want to tell you all are just one big multinationals you know national tax revenue services are like snack and are just shopping around in europe so if we want you to stand up against the big multinationals and make them pay taxes in europe then we have to do that together as a european ok that's why you haven't done it yet and so so much crowd on the 1st thing is you can't explain switzerland on the base on your 3 because the people in switzerland they have high wages and they have a high living standards and they have to merge a national and country and a product they take matters of state pay taxes and that's a 1st and 2nd even in the european union they don't pay taxes so obviously

something goes wrong within your your large space and the point is i agree but you've got to customs union need a joint customs and trade policy otherwise it doesn't work but we don't need to join liberal lore we don't need a joint minimum wage and we don't need a joint novel ok it's all right and i stress thank you. thank you for that we have to move on now and we're going to take 2 questions together 1st from richard god not from global witness and then neo hoffman x. down from transparency international richard will you go 1st please that evening thank you very much for the opportunity to speak today my question concerns somewhere where europe is very integrated just a financial system europe is one of the largest global markets in the world this means money from all of the world is flowing in and out of europe on a daily minute by minute basis that means there's a high likelihood that the e.u. financial system is helping to fund human rights abuses to fuel their environmental destruction globally also to inadvertently or potentially intentionally funding are

fueling and corrupt 13 corruption and also money laundering this european parliament did try to do a lot of good work and under the guidance of the commission to tackle that but what is your vision of how this parliament can act on this in particular to make sure that european. it does not fuel environmental destruction which is something critical at this stage of seeing the u.n. report about species this week and also the recent i.p.c.c. $1.00 degrees and also to make sure that your tackles money laundering which has been an issue and has come up with ok thanksgiving's and it's not because we've been taking another question at the same time leo hofmann axtell your question please for transparency international thank you well in recent years we've not only seen one topic on the e.u. scene we've not only seen people speak about migration or using the issue for their political goals we've also seen a steady erosion and very very young or ocean of the rule of law and of the macwrite the institutions in the member states we've seen direct attacks on the

independence of the judiciary we've seen governments threatening media freedom intimidating civil society shockingly we've even seen 2 journalists murdered for their investigations into corruption the condemnation however from political leaders in brussels has only come if it were governments in the members member states that were ruled by the opposing parties and actually this is not just the case in the so-called law and just this government in poland it's also the case with the conservatives and hungary it's the case with the socialists and malta and it's also the case with the prime minister bobbish and his conflict of interest was the liberals in the czech republic so my question to you is what do you intend in the next legislature to do about this and i would mainly ask the parties that are expected to something and actually do some of these reforms in government thank you ok thank you for your question or for your opinion it is true that the free media

were interests in the past in poland i am the best example i used to work as a director of the polish public television and i was fired. when civic platform won election just because my views are conservative i was a member of the party and i was fired so i'm the best example you're right liberals just throw me away i lost my job so you're right the free media where interested in poland in the past not anymore judiciary the difference between german system and polish system of judiciary is that minister of justice in germany appointing the judges and in poland minister of justice cannot appoint a judge the truth i'll tell you ok by the parliament but the definition rule but that says it is making by political decisions making by the minister you let me finish let me. let me finish so we need an answer on tackling corruption clean corruption ok money laundering who was the one who was invited to the european

poland parliament 2 weeks ago monocles lot of stuff from the open dialogue foundation and we found out that she is into the money laundering from russia and she was invited by the socialist to be deported european parliament ok thank you very much as a society. yeah ok this is very briefly because we're running on a giant migration very bad i think and probably the one thing that the just the only thing that we will ever agree on is that in the fact that the european commission has only dared to target poland. the fundamental rights violations and the rule of law violations is because the law and justice party is not a member of the e.p. family or any of the other families and that is why i was very honored to be repartee or of a proposal for a broad mechanism to uphold democracy the rule of law and fundamental rights in other words the so-called article 2 of the treaty values and i am very confident

that even if it took some time for the european commission and the european council to come to the. realization that we need such. mechanism i think it will materialize in the next in the next period and that meets all the member states will be set on the basis of the same criteria on a regular annual basis something the council of europe decided in february an offshoot of the council of europe press freedom in europe is now in a worse state than at any time since the cold war how worrying is that joe line very briefly very briefly we're running out of time it's absolutely boring because those in power in some countries try to undermine the freedom of press. we have been on top 3rd in new media with fake news on a daily basis from morning till morning so we're really in danger to lose in crown of our democracies by mechanisms that undermine the really spirit

of a decent and really true dialogue and argument is undermined by those mechanisms from governments in power as well as other powers outside do you try to money political public marks cross winds are you about this state of press freedom in europe i'm very worried about because what we've seen now is the attempt of the governments to censor it is social networks and social media and for instance the shoreline is partly introduced and it's fair to set source because that's what censorship lore in germany that leads facebook and twitter to to to to block a lot of of a you know not hate speech. you make facebook which is a private owned company to be sens or the net for which is shameful we have more blocked users of facebook and twitter in germany then we have in russia and you sit

here and tell me you are very worried about freedom of press and freedom of expression that is a deep live it is typical for your interest. shipping look for your partner truth and the point is that freedom of opinion is now mostly in the internet they are the people to debate and discuss and governments mostly left wing liberal governments especially the party of children and introduce morse to undermine the freedom of debate and the internet and that's very shameful and this is something we will end immediately if we get the possibility to do so you bring it through bring freedom to our line you know you have 20 seconds i use shamed by that not at all i know it is about the hate speech is not really fall it's a speech being we guaranteed a freedom of speech not true for opinion but what we see on the internet is really beyond the red lines and you have to have measures to really limit all right we're

going to have to leave that question there. let's move on to the next one from a nice. lot of sunny sunny don to those who might not know so that are your going to ascension is good to advancing social justice in europe and the rest of the world your question thank you indeed my question is about inequalities today income inequality seems rising and social mobility is more and more broken in a number of european member states this is of course tearing apart social cohesion in the member states but those between member states and whether you believe income solutions or not these communities happens to be called european union and is host to existence to find common solutions story least solutions that work for all and so my question is legal action has been taken at the european union level to take leena qualities we had the declaration of the european pillar of social rights but again legal action followed in terms of implementation so my question is to all of

this because how would you follow up on implementation if you good on the pillar of social rights or more in general how would you take all inequalities at the european level thank you so if you can do. well 1st of all i'm very much in favor of a social europe which is not saying i'm sorry joe as a socialist europe. but i do think i do think that we have. that we have forgotten we've been very one sided we focused on budget discipline i'm very much in favor of budget it's been we focused on markets we focus on common currency but we have completely left all the social causes to 2 member states and ignore the fact that we do have an open labor market as well which free movement of workers for example so i do think that we need to to put the social pillar into european legislation but i don't think that we should absolve the member states from their own responsibility because quite frankly there are some national governments who

are only too happy to point out the european union as. look all the problems in our country are a result of the european union whereas actually they themselves have been ineffective or corrupt or there are some countries and i see some examples even in my own country complete failure refusal to reform and adapt the system and i think it is what we see is vested interests and very often its last sentence very often is generational older generations refusing to reform and they leave the bill to the younger generations and that this inequality is. troubling touchings can very briefly yes ok you are very good in theory and practice is not that good come to poland and learn every single child is getting 500 floaty since we get into the power of every child you've got 4 children you've given to thousands love you've got 6 children getting $3000.00 every single child we is getting a $500.00 locally a month dying political signal and we are we are supplying little girls we are

supporting those who are forgotten for years all we're told is leftists we're talking about this beautiful social equality but they don't. know it's not supporting the families forgotten that's number one they just received a 30 month pension this month from our government because they were forgotten they couldn't afford to buy their pills or whatever the the pension age it's lowered by our government it's done so how can you say that this is buying votes because we care about everyone it's not only for our borders everyone is equal of everyone is getting it it's about families about children's about pensioners this is really what eventually supports what about young people they are do have they are because i think usually you see are the one on sure you know you shouldn't be are free from the taxes up to 26 years of age and we voted it last month rather rather yeah yeah we have an eating out rather than handing out money you should be

giving real opportunities for the future too young. this is what he did and they don't have that big back it's up to the 26 i mean use lots of money points although it is a real problem that the middle class is shrinking and that the extremes are increasing that's absolutely true but you don't solve it by by by politics and higher taxes and more state you'll solve it by giving money back to the people who work into the middle class and if i look to germany then the thanks to your lines party and you know i do 40 per cent i have to go in there raise. the income in spend into into wealth into the well 1st system that means the middle class has as only few money left from the money that it would give would earn if you had a lower bowl 1st a small ultra state ok jones turned on an equipment problem here early. christian from saudi was quite good because that's a huge problem for millions of people and you where there is spread of frustrated

against the you seeing that there is no head we have done the locked in the legislature again social dumping unique routes you need to a minimum standards in the you otherwise you will have not a union you will have a fact meant it really pays off for different states do once get stronger the others get weaker and with them the people get reka and sophie i'm sorry the liberal good common market but they are not good about social europe like good interesting theory that we need for any why we need growth and not rules we knew growth i know i decided on no divorce that we had and have been a review all of us have to fight of but every issue to get standards for the people in europe to empower to people not only empower the masses is that their experience there is one thing that's not correct and we want to hear what he says if i if i look at some of the countries that are run by liberals like my own for example also have very very strong social security get the 2 go together competitiveness you

have a good service. protection. one sentence one sentence in poland the lowest unemployment in each 3 to compare it with portugal italy unfortunately with other countries it's much much better number 4 with the growth in european union or announce a poland yes the british film sort of all of your diversity in theory to poland and then learn how to do it in practice then over my time to poland hungary unbelievable all right we're going to move next question which is from vera my job from the european use forum could we have your question please thank you very much thank you thank you very much. i've been listening very carefully there is one topic the has not come up yet and this topic is particularly relevant for young people and young generations and it also links to the situation that young people have in politics which is that in the european parliament you don't have that many young politicians but obviously the decisions taken by the parliament will affect

the young people the longest for the rest of their lives and so on so us potential future policy makers in the next letter what are you going to do what is your message for young people in europe regarding climate change and sustainable development what will you do that there will be a livable hospitable europe still for me and my children thank you. very much scruff. the 1st thing is that you know when your a little bit older than young you can represent everyone because there is i don't believe. that a politician has to be young to understand the use and to be older and he's not saying you have to be yours for things abilities 1st and the 2nd is. we're going to do we believe that the next generation needs wealth safety and libertine to be happening here where they live and they need a place where they can express their serve and build up some saying and i don't

believe that that we should bring only those messages of fear as you do ready to fear that climate change will destroy every single few years that something goes wrong you saying that the fears are misplaced on crime here and i think really fears are missed planes are all kinds of change denier the no no we know that there is climate change but we think that we should focus on the on the possibility as young people have we should give them the platform to express themselves and to to build up something and not only to look what could get wrong it would be should focus on the opportunities not on there was something well before i get to our proposals i don't think that young people only need a platform to express themselves i think that actually should have a vote and they should use that vote because i'm very impressed by the mobilization of young people their activism their their commitment but i think it also has to translate into actual power to change things so don't let your vote go to waste i

think that should be one message but climate change is clearly amongst the you know the top priorities and for me climate policies are not it's very often presented as something that is very costly something very cumbersome but i actually think it's an opportunity not only will it make our lives better and it also you also need to consider the cost of norm climate policies in terms of health. in terms of safety so i think definitely climate change is about our quality of life but it will also create new jobs it will create you know an impulse for our economy for me to touch in one sentence it's very important to ok again i think it's theory but we have to take away those who are responsible for that who is the biggest polluter in european union germany it's i'm going to america it is served by so to suit my part of course i know you know that i might even as well america because i for one because she because she's putting euro over the health she wants to she wants to

have this growth and you are coming over and not thinking about what you say about what are you going to do in poland about for i mean think of all those years of all we have to 1st of all it's not about policy on. television it's very represent the rudy the only party i think we need legislation which will stop the biggest polluters you cannot put money over to help you have a 90 percent coal power and that's where i have to live right here even well and well known and well. i'm really happy that the young generation is waking up making frezza or protection for their young or because indeed their future is in danger it's not making plenty of fear i mean we know that already today the demi of inverse of weather events are billions and billions and i'm agreeing with some people to protect the climate is cheaper than climate change will be much more

course all right in the in the time that we've got left i just want to bring this back if i may to the european elections because what if they simply produce more political fragmentation of the kind that we've been seeing in national elections more division more impotence more polarizing what's the future then for the european parliament very bad and should actually because there i was actually intrigued by this. 2 to 2 of you because i believe that you're all trying to form one political movement but you agree or disagree on almost anything everyone about the elections or actually i actually think so look there is more fragmentation but i think that in the center of the political spectrum it is entirely possible to work together with people who you know who hold democratic we have different views on things but we'll we'll work together i mean so we are all working for the model works very much. else you know it's a congratulations i get out today and say amen solutions to common problems which

is what the european union is supposed to be about but if you don't have that what's the word of a human right now that i sailed in versus in finding those common solutions. to the parties and the movements that are now in majority they feel that's right and where we in the country and our partners. they deliver poland deliver us hungary deliverance italy deliver us but france and germany it's a mess what do you do a little bit of a little reminder too much a global responsibilities to do showed that they know what to do and you don't know who you are just a question unfortunately you don't know you have been in the parliament longer anybody problems of that term problem let me finish my question don't you ever give up hope. you know what i think my little compared to what needs to be achieved i think we get a bigger mobilization this time because people feared the danger for just your own

people you weren't here that you or you are in danger for your a cup and then lose their future but i'm sure that there is a decent or european majority by a different political tendencies spread we used to work together and to look for the very best for this continent and quickly prediction for the elections we're going to lose i think we will have a sure majority for continuing really fantastic project of uniting europe and we have to continue to joke because people expect us to continue that follow or i continue however i can you do it we are talking about a albums you're talking about clinton where you have people i'm afraid i'm afraid that is all the time that we have left. my thanks to all 4 lb last sunday off question in the audience and to all of you for watching for now from all of us on the team here at the european parliament in brussels.

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