to this world where we need to get. each of us can the human mind. and then we can make it real to. the point is that people want change why go in the middle i'm sure they'd be going to certainly point you. they took you for food student water now if they took off full force last month venezuela's opposition attempted that whole just move yet to try to get the military have come over to their side and unseat the government but the effort failed my guest this week here in london is vanessa noirmont representative to the venezuelan opposition leader and self declared president why what happens next.

and that's a mormon welcome to convert so thank you thank you for having me it's a pleasure to be here you have what amounts to a failed uprising in venezuela behind you and your movement continues to make. incredibly optimistic predictions about the seats in the government why is that because the situation is unsustainable we have 18700000 venice ones have lost 25 pounds over the last year that's the beginning of a major famine you have been saying it's unsustainable for the last 2 years up you've been saying it's unsustainable becomes increasingly it becomes increasingly unsustainable and you know you said you said the other day that in 2 weeks. the lights were going on or tomorrow and very very well they were answering this on the right this is still there and the president maduro is still in his palace with these armed forces as well with some of his armed forces i mean the head of his

intelligence agency is now safely ensconced in the area well it's one. you've got plenty more now oh no no really i mean they are negotiating behind his back there are negotiations going on right now and they are looking to 2 to get out and the situation is just a little early sounds really all right now in the area of the media the last few days we have harmed wedo insisting that he had the backing of 80 to 85 percent of the venezuelan military based on war because based on the fact that they are suffering as well they are going home to wives who tell them that their work is a humiliation to children that are crying and hungry 80 to 85 percent of the military are the worker bees of the military they are not reaping the $8800000000.00 of drug trafficking and gold trafficking that has nothing to survive there on your side nothing to do is absolutely transparent on the you are

a world you failed to bring the military on time and somehow on the contrary the problem is that we have cuban intelligence officers preventing them. following their children and preventing preventing them from rising up and we have over 200 military being torture there have been over a 12 or 12 for one way down the scale of the excuse me before. one way or took office there were over 12 military uprising attempts by the military spontaneously your latest attempt was described by the crisis group as poorly conceived and easily subdued that's hardly a success is it the point is that people want change they inquired or in the middle i'm sure they're going to certainly want you. on me i'm not the only the moon of your movement i am an ambassador for the movement i think that they do they want out from this drug cartel regime that tortures people it is causing

a bigger existence syria this is not violates it's own cause not a huge it's not a big accidents and soon as this is a loser least 12000000 people what we will take into account those who've been a 1000000 people it's about 5000000 people a lot of that don't you have to get on the right i'm talking about internally displaced more we will have a viral you know year by the end of the year and 8400000 by the end of next year that far out so that is a guy that's outside the lines of the u.s. a dozen are actually the guys are going to u.n.h.c.r. the oas the u.n. h.c.r. isn't exactly a bastion of right wing ness now is it apparently your biggest mistake last month was to trust the word of the government officials you were talking to. because human rights you knew this anyway so why is there such a big surprise that you will play by them why why because it's very took you for fools student the other no if they took us for fools i mean we would hope that the

that the positioning of common defense of the people come in the fence of the constitution and accept and misty and be part of the right side of history would appeal to them i fortunately i think that we are the ones that i still maintain that the people behind this and i was not personally involved i'm an ambassador i am not the president i am the chain of command flows down to mean. not upwards the people who were behind stairs and took the decisions i think you know did. a bit naive about the amount of money being made by the military and their drug trafficking activities there's another psychological component which you will know well from game theory for instance as you're trying to negotiate a situation you have all these different players and what you know what you know but you don't know what the other person knows about what you know so basically we don't we suspect is just very dark clouds of ariel sharon the christmas tree i did

arts alliance and began our yoke at whether this is a competitive new you may see as you've made a number of important mistakes but the people who pay for those mistakes of the people they know according to the u.n. in just 8 days from january the 21st to the 29th where the protests began to write more than a 1000 people were detained many of them were just kids most of them were kept incommunicado for days without access to family so using the reason i'm serious and continue to starve we have 330000 venezuelans however that emerge you have very soon and by government sponsored look at their lives at risk 330000 have been murdered by government sponsored gangs 70000000. and the best you found to be with you are you can see and you and they. are poorly conceived and easily what they're just what are you what are you recommending military use are you advocating a military intervention i'm not here to answer your questions you demand to come here around so why do you sit here and say i'm asking you when i will read line

here what point do you know of urging the people to come out because you're putting more lives in the water than what all of the other options than what do you recommend that attend what happened on april 30th and may 1st is in keeping with the constitution that was drafted by this and i ever heard you do that and it didn't work when. people trust you know why should people come out and miss your listening because while they know because now they know how how the regime is fractured that deal stahl ok your and by the best and that i saw me now has an arrest warrant he has the hezbollah bad mad they also say those issues raised your best and lost you know why is it about what isis group says you've spent the last of america over is that the only view godless or american you consider national crisis know that momentary to our loss or marrow described venezuelan politics now as shaken he said the people were confused wounded and did i say he was also going

to feel as a result of what we have done rather than 20 years of dictatorship and starvation and torture i'm sorry to say that as dashed now it's now and we stand despite the fact that since then 28 percent of the national assembly has been you know it has been arrested and our vice president is now disappear disappear in the classic latin american sense of the as and taken with no proof of life given and because the rodeo insists in the last few days that he will as well as for the rights of all people know about a war and i just ask the question sure he has insisted in the last few days there is absolute unity in the opposition that's pretty hard to believe what do you mean of the washington post reports you don't move the 5th that some of the opposition senior leaders have become playing the blame game over what went wrong so it's unlikely that you know what you know how you saw these injuries when they when the prosecution is absolutely across all political parties the national assembly has

members that have been that have been now exiled since may for us or have been disappear or across all political judgments are you with them or your decision to venezuela has the president tomorrow i voted for you know critically no i didn't give orders no i'm sorry i'm sorry what has happened is this after many years of the international community blaming us a. get your act together and you need to unify we have unified we have a president according to our constitution called one way the law every single party is behind him my appointment for instance was approved by every single political party in the national assembly by unanimity hang on ironically what has happened is now that we are unified the international community has fractured now you have the montevideo initiative the international contact group the lima group conversations and have anna and conversations now all over the place and the irony is that that's

the ultimate hypocrisy is that the international community ok and sound like a bunch of squabbling children see at the time when we have our act together since when that time that you trails in my piece since when have you discovered this newfound unity because by november last year the failure in trying to fight the fight. by november last year the fights were so bad that luis salamanca political scientists former director of the national electoral council such a handout it was a show that here is value it really kind of destroyed january tattoo strong january tat $29000.00 as well when i suddenly came together really yes of course under one why though when he became the de facto president of venezuela because mother would or is in violation of our constitution we unified behind our constitution and not everybody seemed very happy with the way you took the presidency what do you mean yes 100 hedrick it can be pretty less one of the most visible and with. this one of the most visible opposition figures when why do took possession of the assembly the

view of the majority of the venezuelan opposition was that ought not to be appointed president the 23rd of january i don't get appointed as he has sidelined many of the house was finished and i just saw the 23rd of january came and he appointed himself we didn't have any information it surprised many leaders in the opposition echo. only his eyes wages are you guys is going to swallow politics for a long time for good reason he's a 2 time loser presidential candidate and he does not have the support of the venezuelan people one by the also has views only automatically to be dismissed because they don't coincide with now they don't go inside with the will of the venezuelan people who want out from this regime he is not the leader of a political party he is not even in the really involved in the political party anymore and he fled the country and came in under dubious circumstances i mean if that's the pope is that's the one person you choose when you have millions of people weeping in the streets for why they all and and he exhibited the country and

you can see him when he went on the tour at the end of the diaspora and you know unless he knows us and then our duros still in the presidential palace and you people are trying to find protection while there is a president and we were at ease in the presidential palace because the russian military the international left thinks that it's perfectly fine ok for the russians to invade us basically and have military advisors talk about the military and have the other end have military advisors in cuban television as he talked about the military has stood up and led the elana foreign terrorist organization which personally intimidated time on him we just kino's how you don't know that on any stop the uprising mourns the how you same way the nazi was that is why we don't need speeches i want to talk about the military i'm going to talk about the fact that it was reported that one kwaito said he would probably accept a u.s. military intervention if the united states proposed it you have been talking to the

u.s. military your movement has been talking to the u.s. my counterpart about him just to. let me correct you if there are factually my counterpart in washington d.c. . will speak to them on monday that conversation has not happened yet so you're pretty serious about this military intervention but i'm not sure this will have a commander in chief what are my. our president that is his decision to make he says he's already been talking about strategic and operational planning with the head of the u.s. southern command he ordered qatar specter to have that conversation and that conversation has been scheduled and announced on twitter by catalyst vecchio my counterpart in washington d.c. for monday such a move would also split the international community again you say it's split anyway so you're not bothered about that european union says it doesn't want military intervention the lima group says doesn't want military intervention you don't care what they think about this we are looking at all the options were also involved in conversations at our end negotiations to find a pacific peaceful solution

a peaceful resolution the offer is now and has always been on the table for them to leave the country peacefully on a plane get out take their ill gotten gains take their ill gotten 502800 1000000000 dollars that they have stolen ok take some portion of that and leave and that has to get back to democracy and that the 85 to 90 percent of people in venice whether who want to mother would go out to carry on with their lives let me just here on the many many hours this you so you can get on the plane going to the country yes or no justice and the accountability there were obviously people who had been murdering and tortured they just got off scot free how forgiving do you think the vendors who people are that a shot be after what you say has been done to them well murdering the torturing more that is a force that is obviously set up and. there are other ways that all of the document can download the documents called plan by ease and it's in that we have

a plan for transitional justice it's in our government's plan for transitional justice and the truth and reconciliation commission which happens after you have regime change and you know this because i've done this this has happened a number of times before so we will follow the international standard on that really the fact is these offers of amnesty may well be illegal and to international law might well run counter to venezuela's international global gauged. in january human rights watch called on you to amend your amnesty bill saying that any amnesty guaranteeing impunity by absolving government and military officials of the most serious human rights violations that's incompatible with venezuela that's correct when times are an obligation that's correct our ambassador to czechoslovakia is actually the one who brought the case to the i.c.c. so the major human rights lawyer tomorrow so who so you don't have the slightest knowledge of these and more than lose any designs on what the how the how the intern and we will take direction from the international criminal court on how on crimes against humanity crimes people who commit crimes against humanity is

a very different case and go into a different basket there are people who are guilty of money laundering drug trial through my manager i'm talking about people who murder who torture who forced disappearances yourselves of lyoto maggoty you're saying let the whole lot get out you know we are saying we are using this knowing where you are get your facts wrong really yes your facts are wrong so when our president our president president has a distinguished that he has clearly stated everybody has stated it at least 20 times 10 that anybody who is not guilty of crimes against humanity can be offered amnesty those who are guilty of crimes against humanity do not at estee period and that's in keeping with international law so i'm not sure where you're getting our facts about the 3rd or 4th time in this interview you're wrong so why if i'm so wrong why have all of the human rights organizations got onto your case and said this is something you shouldn't be doing i was right gonzales on what's in their

minds i can only speak to the fact they were you didn't hear these words either i don't know but i think you can go on you can go online and find them one this week what's extraordinary also is that not only are you offering amnesty to some of the military and government personnel but you about the offer to give them a place in a transitional government. let's think about that for a moment just that it has now you know not how dare you launch how forgiving do you think venezuelans will be that is something that will be announced and what the men as well and people in want for and what form where are you going to be it will be put to them it will be put to them and transitional government is not a permanent government and you know how transitions to democracy are always complicated hard choices oh ways have to be made but again we look at the 330000 people the government has murdered with gangs we look at the 18700000 people on their way to

a major famine 7000000 of whom are are in danger imminent danger of dying and who are in imminent danger and in mr justice humanitarian aid so just humanitarian comparison is being is our side this regime who is shooting people for carry out this is a few deserve. that are you telling me then the justice becomes no transition comes 1st those who come to realize the error of their ways and come to love our people and their country and the constitution will have that credited to them even if there is no government even if they do the minute you really if they will not use crimes well that is something yes that if the wrong as we get the regime transferred back of the country transitioned back. of this war you mean i am absolutely certain we need this dictatorship drug cartel gone so that my country is

going to be that is self again are very pro-choice they're not they're not a government they do not identify it was a worm rather than this they have a gun they have the guns and we need the guns for territorial control as well we are also invaded by foreign terrorist organizations that are also bombing our allies and our neighbors there have been 2 terrorist attacks by then you and i 12. and you might well call in the. u.s. military to do the work for where there are that many militaries who would be out of the colombian military has asked for permission to come in and kill the terrorists the interest on the drug taking that they're just on or try this is without donald wait wait a minute wait a make no mistake here i'm taking on your missing irish again about asking the u.s. military to come in if the u.s. military is 1st of all you have to have not worked with the military the u.s. military is not from 2nd of all there is are there is a tremendous chief of these military he's the commander history of founder and chief of the military but you chose that object that does not that's

a relevant and i really i guess of course i'm not here to comment on venice or the u.s. politics i'm here to comment on my country you won't comment on the commander in chief of the military that you may ask to come i am not ascertaining i have not been able to understand your movement. and i am not commenting on it no that is not mike in that i am not commenting on i am not a representative of the u.s. government i am a representative of the why the government period i'm here to discuss my country and the blood on the hands of the model dictatorship which is actually the world's biggest drug cartel importing drugs live t.v. said that already we now know that in the full talks have taken place in norway sorry clee not direct talks correct mediated by norway what's happened in these talks. not much is the answer is the short answer to that so what how they've been totally unproductive yet they were totally unproductive there were an initial out we each so because the group the international contact group and the us that you.

love to comment on were all the other ones towards one over the way that we're aware that nor you know and the un also again not a bastion of right wing nuts. you know we're aware of these talks and we sent representatives from why they were government the mother said. 2 representatives they didn't authorize together they did not speak to each other they did not have breakfast together and there you saw my in the point was the man it was with the norwegian or fish bowls to state their position and under what conditions they would negotiate we stayed so that's the next step so we stated we were very clear and my president has been very clear and he stated it once again online yesterday what's the next step that we will enter into any we will enter into good faith negotiations that entails and of those 3 step plan we have laid forward since january people sent in creation of the system of these tools of

course through our own dishes and into the conditions of course there are conditions to talks or conditions to any talks you buy a house there are conditions so it's a little different well of course that's right 30000000 lives at stake so oh yes if there are conditions for your purchase of a house or your old us sir you'll deny that you value the same even though she's a 1000000 you're going to lay down 3 conditions which the other side is going to refuse help for as though we have now we the other side is the one that never met its conditions the model regime is the one who has said it does not want to elections we are not blocking free and fair elections the mother or regime has and the mother had a regime is the one that has extended talks in the past what has happened is one that we have had dogs and we had the dogs according to they chose the place they chose the. timing they chose their representatives they kept our political leaders in prison and we set it free the political prisoners know free and they just carried on and in the meantime they have stolen more money is even more of these

tortured more peat is it a precondition of these talks that mothers are not doing step was correct absolutely and what makes you think that they're going to do that for you because you think because they were negotiating to get him out already there has been a great are those are the same you there will be you know they weren't they are convinced they are serious yes absolutely i know for a fact they were our own i that i can also suppose on their back but i know for a fact that they have been negotiating actively with us and also with other countries to find a way to take them there are countries that have said that they will take them so these talks are quite advanced you think you could. be a winner of it takes all this really take what hold it in the negotiations that may actually go in there's no way to take it all when you have 30000000 people living under a dictatorship using various those are just sour and more your own very. conditions conditions loci condition later than end of the usurpation transitional government

which is to be negotiated and free and fair elections with proper international observation i don't see how that's a winner take all as for my country is dying under the under the guy gaze of a fractured and conflicted international community that has just watched my people die and be tortured and done nothing about here international community is going to recognition these so that they are going from inside the country that you know he absolutely does have it from inside of the country said people on the streets that's not the same thing isn't what it what do you expect than people on the streets as power people are on the science it's love. people on the streets is support people on the streets is an expression i mean because the come and go and they are in the crowd and throw ice our future and it can come and go well it has certainly won for mother would have didn't it and it will that's right because he

he won't get out of the way and he had a you know he was there under a fraud he is there as a torch euro he is there is someone who did not you went was going to say i read that he is still there and why are we out all right and are we going to sign our duty now we are not on the outside we are in the hearts of the venezuelan people we all and with that legitimacy of the of all the western democracies all the demaio all the countries that are liberal democracies that have rule over all recognize our constitution and they recognize the legitimacy of one by the all that we are in a situation where a drug cartel has taken all the levers of power by the way doesn't mean you're going to succeed is younger than it does aside doesn't mean you're going to see or you die trying we have no option but to fight for our people i will fight for my people until i draw my last breath and that's a little thanks very much because. he.

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