story ground. 27 years ago but there's no holding back his dreams. thank you for watching. cinema. 27. the point is that people want change they. want you. they took you for. them if they cost full full last month venezuela's opposition attempted that whole just move yet to try to get the military have come over to their side and unseat the government but the efforts fail my guest this week here in london is the. representative to the venezuelan opposition leader and self declared president. what happens next.

but that's normal and welcome to conference thank you thank you for having me. you have what amounts to a failed uprising in venezuela behind you and your movement continues to make. incredibly optimistic predictions about one seat in the government why is that because the situation is unsustainable we have 18700000 venice ones have lost 25 pounds over the last year that's the beginning of a major famine you have been saying it's unsustainable for the last 2 years you've been saying it's unsustainable because you are using it becomes increasingly unsustainable and you know you said you said the other day that in 2 weeks. the motes who are going to harden very very low they were injuries on the right this is still there the president maduro is still in his palace with these armed forces as

well with some of his armed forces i mean the head of his intelligence agency is now safely ensconced in the area where i was one. even more now oh no no really i mean they are negotiating behind his back there are negotiations going on right now and they are looking to to to get out and the situation is just an example of this council it will run out in the next year but in the last few days we had one guy go insisting that he had the backing of 80 to 85 percent of the venezuelan military based on war because based on the fact that they are suffering as well they are going home to wives who tell them that their work is a humiliation to children that are crying and hungry 80 to 85 percent of the military are the worker bees of the military they are not reaping the $8800000000.00 of drug trafficking and gold's trafficking that has nothing to say about their on your side nothing to do is absolutely true there you are

a world you failed to bring the military on time and somehow on the contrary the problem is that we have cuban intelligence officers preventing them. following their children and preventing preventing them from rising up and we have over 200 military being torture there have been over i took over 12 for one way don't understand it scuse me before. one way though or it took office there were over 12 military uprising attempts by the military spontaneously your latest attempt was described by the crisis group as poorly conceived and easily subdued that's hardly a success is it the point is that people want change they saw in the middle i'm sure is there a god necessarily want you. on me i'm out there on the moon with your movement i don't know why i am an ambassador for the movement. i think that they do they want out from this drug cartel regime that tortures people it is causing

a bigger existence syria this is not it violates its own cause not a huge it's not a big exodus and soon as this elusive least 12000000 people what we have to take into account those who've been one or 2 of 1000000 people it's about 5000000 of that don't you have to get on the right i'm talking about internally displaced more we will have environs or you know you're more at the end of the year and $8400000.00 by the end of next year that far out that's exactly about that's and so to answer you i say doesn't our action go that is i want him to u.n.h.c.r. the oas the u.n. h.c.r. isn't exactly a bastion of right wing ness now is it apparently your biggest mistake last month was to trust the word of the government officials you were talking to. because human rights you knew this anyway so why is it such a big surprise that you were plagued by them why why because they took you for fools war other know if they took us for fools and we will hope that the that the

positioning of common defense of the people come in the fence of the constitution and accept and misty and be part of the right side of history would appeal to them i am fortunately i think that we are the ones who are still made and that the people behind this and i was not personally involved i am an ambassador i am not the president i am the chain of command flows down to mean. not upwards the people who were behind stairs and took the decisions i think you know did. not bit naive about the amount of money being made by the military and their drug trafficking activities there's another psychological component which you will know well from game theory for instance as you're trying to negotiate a situation you have all these different players and what you know what you know but you don't know what the other person knows about what you know so basically we don't we suspect is just very dark auxiliaries are a christmas tree i did arts alliance and began our yo gabba this is

a competitive newbie mason as you've made a number of important aspects but the people who pay for those mistakes are the people now according to the u.n. in just 8 days from january the 21st to the 29th where the protests began to write more than a 1000 people were detained many of them were just kids most of them were kept incommunicado for days without access to family so using their residence ration continued to starve we have 330000 venezuelans cohabit emerge you have very soon and by government sponsored look at their lives at risk 330000 have been murdered by government sponsored gangs 70000000 you guys you or me i'm the best you can do with your you can see how young they really are poorly conceived and easily what they're just what if you ask what are you recommending military use are you advocating a military intervention i'm not here to answer your questions you come here and so why do you sit here and say i'm not asking you when i will read line here at what

point do you know a thing the people to come out because you're putting more lives in the water than what all the other options than what do you recommend that attend what happened on april 30th and may for us is in keeping with the constitution that was drafted by this and i am going to do that and it didn't work when. people trust you know why should people come out to mr karzai because now they know because now they know how how the regime is fractured that deals doll ok your and by the best and that i saw me now has an arrest warrant he is the hezbollah bad mad very very those issues raised your best and lost you know why is it about one isis group says you don't know most of america is that the only view congress or american you can share national crisis cred know that momentary to our loss or marrow described venezuelan politics now as shaken he said the people were confused wounded and motivated as it

was ours are going to feel as a result of what we have done rather than 20 years of dictatorship and starvation and torture i'm sorry that has dashed now to know and we stand for despite the fact that since then 28 percent of the national assembly has been you know it has been arrested and our vice president is now disappear disappear in the classic latin american sense of the as a taken with no proof of life given and because the rodeo insists in the last few days that we will as well and for the rights of all people in a matter walk and i just asked the question sure he has insisted in the last few days there is absolute unity in the opposition that's pretty hard to believe what do you mean of course if you post reports you don't move the 5th that some of the opposition senior leaders have become playing the blame game over what went wrong so it's unlikely that you now want to you know you saw these injuries when they won the prosecution is absolutely across all political parties the national assembly

has members that have been that have been now exiled since may for us or have been disappear or across all political criminality just what you want them in your decision to venezuela has then the president tomorrow i've been for years you know critically no i did your glorious and now i'm sorry i'm sorry what has happened is this after many years of the international community blaming us a. get your act together and you need to unify we have unified we have a president according to our constitution called one way the law every single party is behind him my appointment for instance was approved by every single political party in the national assembly by unanimity hang on ironically what has happened is now that we are unified the international community has structure now you have the montevideo initiative the international contact group the lima group conversations and have anna and conversations are now all over the place and the irony is that

that's the ultimate hypocrisy is that the international community ok and then like a bunch of squabbling children said the time when we have our act together since when that time that you trails of my people since when have you discovered this newfound unity because by november last year the failure in trying to incite the fight stand by november last year the fights were so bad that luis salam might become political scientists former director of the national electoral council such a huge out it was issued a year's eve regularly have destroyed january tattoo strong january tat $29000.00 is what i suddenly came together really yes of course under one why though when he became the de facto president of venezuela because mother would or is in violation of our constitution we unified behind our constitution and not everybody seemed very happy with the way he took the presidency what do you mean just handed. one of the people visit on with. this one of the most visible opposition figures when why

do took possession of the assembly the view of the majority of the venezuelan opposition was that ought not to be appointed president the 23rd of january 100 idea putting it as it has sidelined and when you don't know how in the end and i just finished can i just assume all the 23rd of january came and he appointed himself we didn't have any information it surprised many leaders in the opposition echo. only this size weights are you i said let us all in politics for a long time for good reason is a 2 time loser presidential candidate and he does not have the support of the venezuelan people wonder why they are so his views are automatically to be dismissed because they don't coincide with no they don't coincide with the will of the venezuelan people who want out from this regime he is not the leader of a political party he is not even really involved in the political party anymore and he fled the country and came in under dubious circumstances i mean if that's the pope is that's the one person you choose when you have millions of people weeping in the streets for why the law. and he lives it in the country and you can see him

when he went on the tour at the end of the diaspora and in order to let me know and then i duros during the presidential palace and you people trying to find protection are very seriously i said i'm being received in the presidential palace because that the russian military the international lath thinks that it's perfectly fine ok for the russians to invade us basically and have military advisors talk about the military have brother and have military advisors in cuban television as he talked about the military has signed up and the elana foreign terrorist organization which personally intimidated time or can we just can know how you don't know that on any stops the uprising mourns the houses you same way the nazis as i know my we don't need speeches i want to talk about the military i'm going to talk about the fact that it was reported that one kwaito said he would probably accept a u.s. military intervention if the united states proposed it you have been talking to the

u.s. military your movement has been talking to the us my counterpart about interest. let me correct you if they're factually my counterpart in washington d.c. . we'll speak to them on monday that conversation has not happened yet so you're pretty serious about this military intervention but i'm not serious we have a commander in chief that what are my. our president that is his decision to make he says he's already been talking about strategic and operational planning with the head of the u.s. southern command he ordered cutlass back you to have that conversation and that conversation has been scheduled and announced on twitter by catalyst vecchio my counterpart in washington d.c. for monday such a move would also split the international community again you say it's split anyway so you're not bothered about that european union says it doesn't want military intervention the lima group says doesn't want military intervention you don't care what they think about this we are looking at all the options were also involved in conversations at our end negotiations to find a pacific peaceful solution

a peaceful resolution the offer is now and has always been on the table for them to leave the country peacefully on the plane get out take their ill gotten gains take their ill gotten 502800 1000000000 dollars that they have stolen ok take some portion of that and leave and that has to get back to democracy and that the 85 to 90 percent of people in venice whether who want to mother would go out to carry on with their lives image of the other there are many many hours this you so you can get on a plane going to the country yes or no justice and accountability there will be see people who have been murdering and tortured they just got off scot free how forgiving do you think the vendors will people are that i shall be after what you say has been done to them well murdering the torturing more that is a force that is obviously set up and. there are other ways that go on down there the document can download the document it's called plan base and it's in that 6 we

have a plan for transitional justice it's in our government's plan for transitional justice and the truth and reconciliation commission which happens after you have regime change and you know this because i've done this this has happened a number of times before so we will follow the international standard on that really the fact is these offers of amnesty may well be illegal under international law and might well run counter to venezuela's international global gauged. in january human rights watch called on you to amend your amnesty bill saying that any amnesty guaranteeing impunity by absolving government and military officials of the most serious human rights violations that's incompatible with venezuela that's correct when can i say that's correct our ambassador to czechoslovakia is actually the one who brought the case to the i.c.c. so the major human rights lawyer tomorrow so who so you don't have the slightest knowledge of these and. then there's a that sounds on what the how the how the intern and we will take direction from the international criminal court on how on crimes against humanity crimes people

who commit crimes against humanity is a very different case and go into a different basket there are people who are guilty of money laundering drug tunnel through my monitor i'm talking about people who murder who torture who forced disappearances yourselves of lying asshole is automatically you're saying let the whole lot get out you know we are saying we are using this no nation when you open a museum like gaz your facts are wrong really yes your facts are wrong so when our president president president has a distinguished that he has clearly stated everybody has stated it at least 20 times 10 that anybody who is not guilty of crimes against humanity can be offered amnesty those who are guilty of crimes against humanity do not care that misty period and that's in keeping with international law so i'm not sure where you're getting a fact is about the 3rd or 4th time in this interview you're wrong so why if i'm so wrong why have all of the human rights organizations got onto your case and said this is something you shouldn't be doing i was right gonzales on what's in their

minds i can only speak to the 5 a day when i didn't hear these words either i don't know but i think you can go on you can go online and find them one this week what's extraordinary also is that not only are you offering amnesty to some of the military and government personnel but you probably offer to give them a place in a transitional government let's think about. just that it has now you know how there is a lot of forgiving do you think venezuelans will be that is something that will be announced and what the medical and people in want for and want to form where are you going to be it will be put to them it will be put to them and transitional government is not a permanent government and you know how transitions to democracy are always complicated hard choices oh ways have to be made but again we look at the 330000 people the government has murdered with armed gangs we look at the 18700000 people on their way to

a major famine 7000000 of whom are in danger imminent danger of dying. and or in imminent danger and in mr justice humanitarian aid so just as humanitarian kerry is being is our side this regime who is shooting people for carrying out this of you their ballots hundreds disputing you say that are you telling me then that just is so you and sasha becomes no transition comes 1st those who come to realize the error of their ways and come to love our people and their country and the constitution will have that credited to them even if they're going to say no government even if they do the military we need if they will not use crimes well that is something yes that is long as we get the regime transferred back of the country transitioned to baggage and this what do you mean i am absolutely certain we need this dictatorship drug cartel gone so that my country before it is

self again have any pros they're not they're not a government they do not have bad night for items that were have that is they have a gun they have the guns and we need the guns for territorial control as well we are also invaded by foreign terrorist organizations they're also bombing our allies and our neighbors there have been 2 terrorist attacks by then you and i 12. literally and you might well call in the u.s. military to do the work for which there are very many militaries who would be out of the colombian military has asked for permission to come in and kill the terrorists you can trust that i'm taking that just on will try this is without donald wait wait a minute wait a make no mistake here i'm taking on your missing my original scheme the u.s. military to come in if the u.s. military 1st of all your i have not worked with the military the u.s. military is not donald trump 2nd of all as you are aware there is a tremendous chief of the u.s. military he's the commander in history of founder and chief of the military but you chose another ology that does not that's

a relevant i really i guess of course i'm not here to comment on venice or the u.s. politics i'm here to comment on my country you won't comment on the commander in chief of the military that you may os to come i am not out i have not been able to understand your movement. and. i am not commenting on it. that is not my in that i am not commenting on i am not a representative of the us government i am a representative of the why the government period i'm here to discuss my country and the blood on the hands of the manual dictatorship which is actually the world's biggest drug cartel importing drugs lutie said that already we now know that high level talks have taken place in norway silently not direct talks correct mediated by norway what's happened in these talks. oh not much is the answer is the short answer to that what how they've been totally unproductive yet they were totally unproductive there were an initial out we so because the group the international contact group and the us that you. love to comment on were all the other ones too

once one. were aware that nor you know and the un also again not a bastion of right wing nuts. you know were were aware of these talks and we sent representatives from why they were government the mother sent. 2 representatives they didn't authorize together they did not speak to each other they did not have breakfast together and he was on my in the point was the man it was with the norwegian or fish oils to state their position and under what conditions they would negotiate we stated so that's the next step so we stated we were very clear and my president has been very clear and he has stated it once again online yesterday what's the next step that we will enter into any we will enter into good faith negotiations that entails and those 3 step plan we have laid forward since january table setting creation of the system of these tools of course

through our own dishes into the conditions of course there are conditions to talks or conditions to any talks you buy a house there are conditions it's a little different well of course that's right there are 30000000 lives at stake so oh yes if there are conditions for your purchase of a house or your does so so you all did a valid saving and there. you are going to lay down the conditions which the other side is going to refuse help for as though we have now we the other side is the one that never met its conditions the model regime is the one who is sad it does not want to elections we are not blocking free and fair elections the mother or regime has and the mother the regime is the one that has extended talks in the past what has happened is one that we have had dialogues and we had the dialogues according to they chose the place they chose the. timing they chose their representatives they kept our political leaders imprisoned and we set it free the political prisoners know free and they just carried on and in the meantime they have stolen more money is even more of these tortured more pete is it

a precondition of these talks the mothers are not doing at absolutely and what makes you think that they're going to do that for you because you think because they were negotiating to get him out already there has been a great others are saying you. know they were aren't they are you are convinced they are serious yes absolutely i know for a fact they were up. i doubt i can also suppose on that but i know for a fact that they have been negotiating actively with the us and also with other countries to find a way to take them there are countries that have said that they will take them to these talks are quite advanced you think you could. be a winner of it takes all this really take what hold it in the negotiations that may actually go in is no way to save 130000000 people living under a dictatorship using the various shows is just sour a more varied all conditions conditions now keep them there later than end of the

usurpation a transitional government which is to be negotiated and free and fair elections with proper international observation i don't see how that's a winner take all as for my country is dying under the under the guy gaze of a fractured and conflicted international community that has just watched my people die and be tortured and done nothing about here international community is going to want my dogs recognition he said i mean i got it from inside the country that you know he absolutely does have it from inside the country said people on the streets that's not the same thing isn't what it what do you expect that people on the streets as power people on the streets it's love. people on the streets is support people on the streets as an expression i mean the problem and they hope and they are the problem and i'm pro ice our future and it can come and go well this is certainly one for mother would have didn't it and it will that's right because he

he won't get out of the way and he had a you know he was there on a fraud he is there as a torch euro he is there as someone who did not want president as i read that he is still there and right around the outside all right in our view of the sun our duty now we are not on the outside we are in the hearts of the venezuelan people we all and with that legitimacy of the of all the western democracies all the demaio all the countries that are liberal democracies that have rule over all recognize our constitution and they recognize the legitimacy of why the whole that we are in a situation where a drug cartel has taken all the leaders of power by the way doesn't mean you're going to succeed so you're they are does a site doesn't mean you're going to see or you die trying we have no option but to fight for our people i will fight for my people until i draw my last breath and that's a little thanks very much. thank. you he

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