you'll hear the jangling points and soon. definitely around 20000000000 more of us. how do germany's wealthiest people live why do they keep such a file we have us snoop around to catch a glimpse. of the top of the world the discussion of the super rich starts to $10.00. alone a very warm welcome indeed to a special edition of course coming to you from the heart of burlington and the people of europe who voted in an election to the european parliament across the continent against a populist far right parties including

a narrow victory for marine le pen over president mccrone in france in germany meanwhile historic setbacks for chance in america conservatives and the social democrats a major surgeon support though for the greens good news for europe an unexpectedly high turnout question here on quadriga today is vote your vote's wake up call for brussel. to discuss that question i'm joined here in the studio by derek scally who writes for the irish times and derek says pro e.u. forces have dodged a populist blitz with one last chance to deliver on the issues too big for individual member states above all he says climate change and also witnesses show michelle to deal a freelance journalist who reports in the french german and english and he cautions do not overstate the significance of the fall. for. it's interesting stuff and

a very warm welcome to say the political activist karen taylor who argues that even if there has been no major shift to the right in germany there is no guarantee that we are not heading towards the same developments as in france austria or hungary thank you all for being here today on a special edition of quadriga but to begin with you if i might europe has voted we've had a little bit of time now to digest the outcome what for you is the big story for me the big story is that the european vote is really. where a lot more interested in this election than in the previous ones as shown by this. voter turnout. i believe that was we had the highest turnout in 20 years in the year and they say it's also true in france as well where i paid more attention to the results in france has this been said that this high turnout was

completely unexpected what would you put it down to. in it well the fact is probably different from country to country actually in france say well they there was definitely the there the campaign and the election had a very very highly domestic flavor. and there was this. quite of there was a strong a mobilization of voters due to. the one hand so unlike on the pro european side the rejection of populism the fear of like this this creeping or creeping or what do you want to call it wave of you know populist victories in various countries in and out of in europe and outside so this has mobilized voters

who were who who wanted to pretend and then to this and on the anti european side or more you know all more euro skeptic or a lot of so you can there to yet also a lot of passion there that lots of voters wanted to send a message to my core you know we had these months of yellow vests protests. so. we could say this how it turned out in france didn't have. to do with with europe that it was very domestically if what you say derogated the election was described by one commentator is a battle for the soul of europe as it was who won the battle i think common sense won the battle finally we've voters and said right we understand there's always been this discrepancy between domestic politics and european politics and while there were some countries france austria where domestic politics is really raging

at the moment and that was uppermost in people's mind many other countries people are saying i always say we finally understand that european politics affects domestic politics and domestic politics affects your. in politics so they i think they're finally understood that they finally understood there are problems too big for nation states to tackle alone like climate change think the penny dropped because that argument has been argued for so you know the law and wishful thinking if you want because they're all every country is different obviously but i think people are realizing there are certain things just too big to handle on your own russia the u.s. and china how do we deal with them even if you're germany or too small so i think that but what i saw is i saw really a difference it is approached by voters that yes we will stick to the mainstream parties but we're breaking open this grand coalition europe the european union has been effectively govern by a grand coalition center right center left and those parties by and large not have a by and large were punished and i said no we're going to vote for greens and liberals are near enough to do business with them on climate change on trade and let's not forget migration i mean 5 years ago everyone was talking about migration

so i think the big message is you know voters the same politicians you for said you said to us give us a mandate to do business at european level and they're saying right we've given you the money no do the business and i think that's also interesting times ahead on the well you're delivering on climate change you have sit down and have real compromise because you've got the mandate and maybe for the last time this election was called before 100 i remember we talked to just a few days ago the most important european election in decades what did you learn from the election this weekend that there's no such thing as the one right wing populist movement in europe that is a very important point because we tend to have put them all in the same box for quite a long time now absolutely absolutely and they try to get that message as well the meeting that so the need to deal with all these really big post postures and big picture and what they try to fear create this fear that they are the departure of

the right wing power which is going to destroy europe and this is not going to happen as long as the movement and the other parties understand. and what their mandate is far right now as long as they understand that they need to be connected to what they are i would say to dan national context this but also to the european parliament which has to take this power as a parliament of the people. john michaud in another show a lot of people out there in the big wide world don't quite understand the european elections maybe they understand them a little bit more after this weekend because he was passionate he was very involved they were interesting to tussle going on but what is the message and for the people outside europe why do the european elections matter of the european elections matter because well see we have we've been struggling with bricks it for years let's and one key message of the brics it is as you face less

and elect your kratz well you see 400000000 voters called to the polls last week this is the 2nd biggest democratic exercise after the very highly touted engine elections that took place a few weeks ago. so this is impressive over across 28 countries in europe. yeah they have a back those are millions of people from from the caribbean where i'm from from to make all the way to the arctic we're voting this week for for the same for for for one parliament that will have to work on common issues if this is not compelling i don't know what is. very evocative very generic democracy in action now ahead of this weekend's vote all eyes we've heard it's already were on the showing of the populist far right euro skeptic parties let's take

a look at what's been going on. the party under italy's interior minister material salvini emerged as the country's strongest force but it remains uncertain whether the right wing factions in the european parliament can be united and france money in the pens national rally also came out on top. and in the u.k. nigel farage is frank's at the party was most successful about the u.k. is set to leave the e.u. with a british representatives will also leave the e.u. parliament. with 11 percent germany's far right a.f.d. party was less triumphant that many pro europeans had feared but one prominent critic truly won hands down in hungary the ruling rightwing feeder's party under viktor obama received over 50 percent of the votes. the election victory means that hunk ariens gave us 3 tasks. foremost

a task of stopping immigration all across europe. they gave us a task to defend the europe of nations and to protect christian culture in europe. seem very. can right wing party sabotage the e.u. . that is the next big question currently you know you were talking about this just minutes ago coming right wing parties subbuteo they do you rail the e.u. or the parliamentary process i would say now they count it makes you so optimistic the reason is that we've seen civil society and parties come across to form to to to correlate against these right wing populist movement and i believe that we've seen the danger of these populist movement and that the patties the democratic parties will not sit down and wait for them to set the agenda but on the

other hand come up with the ordinary. if so that's why i'm really hopeful now as the attention is quite high on the european parliament on brussels it's as such that the parties will not just go back to business as usual but on the other hand come up with new solutions when we talk about we already mentioned climate change for example there's a huge mandate for the european union for the european parliament to actually regulate. nationwide solutions when it comes to to the climate climate change and we'll also see that this is one of the topics which just you move the younger part of the population and these younger parts are still hopeful so i believe as the big democratic parties don't want to lose. their constituencies when it comes to when it comes to young voters they really focus on on one hand working together you know on the other hand finding answers for for this problems which really concern the

younger population. derek yes no i agree i think in the media there's often i don't like to. be critical of my own trade but there's often an obsession with right wing parties or far right parties we often call them right when we when we in far right you know or bonded very well but he has to try and find somebody to work with in the european parliament nobody you know are present as far as i know nobody is the lighter to work with and so obviously did very well in italy but otherwise i mean in germany we've all been obsessing over the alternative for george dorchin this far right party you know they have modest gains considering the chaos in the german government it's surprising that more people out of frustration didn't vote for them marine le pen pretty much held her position considering what's going on the streets of paris i was actually rather surprised that she she was still there and was a 2426 percent of you know why didn't you know we often it's like the dog that didn't bark why didn't she get 30 percent of apparently you know everyone is so frustrated with markov micron was coming up behind her so you know i i often think

with far right parties you always have to be careful you know that if the glass is one quarter fold it doesn't mean you know it's 3 quarters empty and that's what i saw across europe that we've just seen a shift is nevertheless less often said and often people know that also people in our business say that they say that yes we do know we'll know working in the age of identity politics and i go to you i mean you know nigel ferocious excess in the u.k. little last week said let's not be afraid of all fruit fly can let's not be afraid of our identity the european union probably i mean years time. for us i often go to europe in summits and to see journalists running after nigel for i mean literally rent a quote i mean he will do anything for a quote and journalists just inflate this into something bigger than what he did get britain to leave the european union let's not be but is he not does he matter for the future of europe probably not so because if the u.k. isn't in the european union that's another issue we can argue about what they're going to do to populism in politics but that's their. problem. a marine le pen is

a serious force but let's look at the other parties who are constructive people the same voters mainstream voters just shifted their allegiances from the large parties to the small parties but they stayed within the mainstream and i think that's the message from these european elections ok just one more word on the other big issue that we have already talked now climate change on the show why now why is it suddenly the issue why are people gathering around and looking as though they are willing to make sacrifices and see so strongly for change i think well there's there have been. a glance or maybe there could have been quite a few reports that alarming news reports experts report that i have that that have been in the media in the past months the rate of extinctions in their customs plastic pollution and of course

climate change in general so and in the past few months we've had this this empress of mobilization of teenagers high school kids around turnberry from sweden so this has caught the public's eyes and all those teenagers have parents who are voters so maybe they've been talking at home with why they go why they skip school every friday. at some point. i say at last i mean if why now well why not 20 years ago i mean we we've wasted as i age perhaps in european politics in the way that we communicate about politics listening to the youth voice is this one reason why the 2 big parties the big tent parties here in germany the christian democrats the conservatives and on the other hand the social democrats is that why they are suddenly losing ground so seriously historic losses i think that's definitely one point and one reason why did

a lot. so much but it's also because the messages were not clear enough the message just what they have been in for europe was of cause the parties were battling with very technical issues. when it comes to. the last sorry i'm missing the right here you. know when it comes to defending rights of us rights for example when it comes to the involvement of the unions and that in the labor market so these are very high technical debates which don't really picture a big vision favorite euro which are not maybe you could even say not not sexy enough in order to really really really stick with the with the people and on the other hand you have the green party who had a very clear vision of a very clear statement that's what we want to achieve i think that's what's missing

with what the big democratic parties you know are in the requests of one is in favor of climate change but how much you really are you in favor of it costing you and that will be the big question because you know what are you prepared to do it out are you going to do it at your summer holiday and maybe take a train on my own that's the i mean graf has done it with her family she's terrorize them into doing what she believes is the right thing to do well the rest of the european union be interested in the and i think her makes a very good point i mean there is a really big behind climate change which is you know everyone is in favor of saving the planet we would like to hope so in your sense of people but you know the whole welfare state in look at europe as a whole is on their turf i mean i come from aren't a country where lots of countries lots of big companies are paying very little tykes and they're sucking starving the continent of tax revenue which is means you know social services are suffering as a result will the new european parliament put pressure on governments to actually act against this you know we were starting to see it from countries like germany and so on but countries like iran are blocking so. you know fiscal dodging taxes if

you're an amazon or google or a facebook is not consistent but investments are there to use it was interesting the greens at least 3 times in one evening i heard a green representative saying to call a book shop pays full taxes amazon doesn't is actually sort of trying we need maybe we need sort of aggressive to embark on fiscal issues but as indices are talking tax people's eyes glaze over but you know class might work and so we don't really see that but i think definitely in a country like germany what you're seeing is people are saying you can't have 0 tariff climate policy you know and i think. his successor on a good compound or have been trying to do some sort of a business friendly climate politics and it's like well if your business is producing cars in your cars or polluting cities you can't really you have to try and turn the page turn the corner and i think the message from both of the 2 big parties definitely from the social democrats as they said we have understood climate change is real politics real politics requires real laws and unless you

want to lose even more to the greens we have to react so that was the reaction we saw last night in germany which i thought was very interesting the 2 big parties are finally afraid enough that they're going to do credible climate policy yeah exactly. i don't see if you can explain for us a german would the significance of it why it has what people are saying it would get the. model. quite a bit ago if you simple very very simple if you had the european their vision song contest which many people would say is the real heart of your european elections every 5 years as well and go but you couldn't have your vision song contest if you didn't have shots and coming in from various countries you can't have a song being sung by nobody but our lead to come to kind of have a song being sung by committee and the involvement european union most people don't understand the palm and the commission and the european council so you need to face you need of a face that you can associate our politics needs for a face you can associate policies and a face you can associate were promises so that if those promises. and to delivered

the promises that person made 5 years ago you can punish them in their block on who is going to be the next face of you or nobody knows because if you look at it as blocks there are several blocks in the european parliament center right block center left bloc in this liberal and green left bloc and you have to you have to work out sort of a new a new a new majority in the parliament so the person who finished 1st was munfordville ever from the european people's party groups that's mostly conservatives an interest in democrats he may be the next president of the european commission but he might not be so it will all depend on the horse trading that's going to happen now but what i find is really interesting but also gives us a sense that european politics is almost taking on characteristics of national politics and after national elections the coalition you know the working majority depends on what will you give me for my support and the greens have made it quite clear we want more social policy around climate change policy and anyone who can promise a stop has our support and who doesn't think they can get our support for free

aren't going to get our support so that makes european politics finally i think understandable to people who are more used to national horse trading ok talking about national politicians than national level politics 2 names haven't been hardly be mentioned in our discussion in difficult times it is all of them all disturbing perhaps of the much vaunted leadership turned them over i'm going to medical and the money will mccrone appears to be grinding to a halt. in 2017 i'm on $11.00 the french presidential runoff practically out of the blue with his pro european campaign and became the beacon for committed pro europeans mccomas seen as a modern reformer who would bring member countries closer together but what has become known as the yellow vest movement has now tanishq his once shiny image and now the right wing national rally on the move in the can receive fewer votes than in the past election and still party fronts is divided. her stand as in china's

bright as it once did either chancellor merkel form undisputed head of the e.u. is preparing to withdraw from politics her strict austerity measures throughout the european debt crisis sparked widespread protests like here in greece. in germany people demonstrated against keeping the borders open for refugees to enter in the summer of 2015 critics say how decisions helped strengthen the far right. with 23 percent of popular votes conservative christian democratic party just suffered historically poor results. will lead europe into the future now. ok let's study the question as it stands who will lead europe into the future no. wow. well interesting question. we that we don't even know who is going to lead the european commission and. derek francisco mr kissinger is

knocking at the door he needs to know who he can for i need a name i need a face well i think what we have under americal she seized staying in power until maybe 2021 and that's when her term ans. is also staying in power until 2022 there is i mean the the odds are the they stand is staying in place for the foreseeable future. there we'll see if they recent there in the last week's election or upcoming elections have. repercussions on domestic politics in france and germany. well we have hope that they stay there for evidence of confidence for the same as turned in what he had to say. i believe the time they will have to actually work.

together because for now and we was really outspoken about his vision for euro there hasn't been a response all when there has been a response a quite negative response from the side of germany that was linked to the past election i believe now there is space for germany and france to come together for for real this time and actually with this with having in mind and also seeing the real trend off the right wing populist to really come up with a new vision so i believe it's going to be going to be frowsy really only did the difficulty in germany is always an election some where as a federal state there's federal elections state elections and we've got this sort of tandem in germany we've got to stay on as chancellor but the party her parties now that by and i got to come qanbar and she had a real setback yesterday that was her 1st election in the store if you didn't know about good no but she now has to go into a summer and she's facing autumn elections in eastern germany in places where the

far right alternative for datsun are strong and getting stronger and once they're federal state they actually topped the poll in european elections so she now has to try and work find ways to work on the one hand progress of european politics on the other hand she's got the far right in eastern germany on her back and if she is seen to do anything that is sort of throwing crumbs to mark or he's talking about solidarity in europe and european social welfare and anything like that the people of europe want this more europe. i don't know. i can't agree and that's the issue and until they decide i think it's going to have to the liberals and the greens will be decisive on whether enough more europe is is going to solve our bigger problems ok people definitely want more directly i think lots of europeans actually do want more europe it's just that the leaders are terrified of their euro skeptic for says that everything. so shame ok very positive now we've got all the

balls to know we're not supposed to know thanks so much we've been talking about your events one cup cold brussels open giving you plenty of food for fall come back next week i'm told on by by.

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