rock and religion. are like. really some of the reconcilable. rock n roll. on t w. well i haven't got the. support. for my reason but it was a really the heart was never in the thing. in the end i'm afraid. well sure the party lost confidence and so did the house. as to reason mary stands down as british prime minister all eyes are on the contest to succeed with boris johnson currently leading the pack my guest this week here in london is the conservative m.p. mark francoise from the hardline european research group that's been snapping endlessly

around mrs maze deals with the conservative party's ratings currently plummeting through the floor the party even deserve to survive. your party has scored its worst election result in its history in the european elections dire warnings that the party is going to collapse. collapse does not know it's time it picked a new leader and that's what we're going to do. i resigned as leader of the conservative party on friday and we then have a process to pick a new leader in essence the members of parliament there are 313 conservative and he's at present. we vote to narrow it down to 2 candidates and

then the party members will vote so by the end of july they will take in a post about one of those 2 candidates who will then become the prime minister at some point the prime minister will probably have to win a vote of confidence in the house of commons probably realistically in the autumn which if it's a hard line breaks it too you lose what i doubt is there's no appetite for a new deal which some of that is well personally i think i don't think we have to have an idea i think we can go one better so why not sign the deal than. the deal is dead as a day and it's been turned down 3 times by the house of commons the 1st defeat was the biggest defeat any british government has ever suffered in the entire history of parliament going back hundreds of years so the deal is never going to go through and the reason the deal was defeated is because i've read it it's a 585595 yes twice and that's my job i'm

a member of parliament and it isn't in effect to draw off international treaty so what do you think you get the problem with the so-called withdrawal agreements in a nutshell is that we didn't withdrawal we still remain because of the backstop in a customs union we wouldn't a runaround trade policy we can do that on international trade deals with america will join a real brazil the european court of justice would still have power just in the transition period well just in the transition. because the arbitration process period last beyond that if you look at all to once and for all and. there will be a number of other areas like the joint committee which last beyond the transition period which by which to civil servants effectively could michael or above the head of parliament so you know mr falls for the deal provides for an exit from europe's political union and its institutions true or false isn't that what you want to know that is not true. because it's still say for instance the joint committee still

means political control so the deal is they shot the deal is date and there's not a business no other deal on offer so what do you do what you do is you accept that the deal is stayed. and you say can we do better than you do in fact we can so what you do is you go straight to the so-called future relationship. and you say what is the desired end state at the end of all of these negotiations and that is a comprehensive free trade agreement between the united kingdom and the european union so that we can try to our mutual benefit in advantage would lie will no tariffs into the facility will future we were always going to have to at some point agree the future relationship so my argument would be little difference that would flood britain or a great cultural markets manufacturer that market well that's a massive. but there is an existing template it's the e.u. canadian free trade agreement which was signed in 2016 which took how many years to

look at well that took 7 years to negotiate it but the advantage of that is that we've already done all the heavy lifting so we've all view they all have been very different to. what you would do very different well but what you do we see type that's as a start point so you have a template that you know by definition the e.u. did accept because they signed it and then you so you don't start with a blank piece of paper you start with the hats and then you see whether you can modify it so for instance it would be to start from a weaker position because by then you do you already have the oh yes i'm perfectly prepared to leave on w.t. terms while those negotiations take place but i would aspire to the fact that industry is warning that this is going to be a nonsense well if you could say well you're project fantasy you don't know who did well the european elections the european elections in this country. overwhelmingly won by the brics party his policy was to leave if necessary with no days. the

people in this country overwhelmingly voted for that so there is a mandate but what i'm saying is you're not saying there's a majority of people in this country who wanted no deal because because there's nothing to suggest that what well hang on as a matter of fact the european elections were clearly won by the party that will be the turn of the 37 percent who is the 1st one that's not majority of the british people is that what will give me the majority to leave in the turns the 16 referendum 17400000 british people voted early that's the biggest votes we've ever had in this country on any proposition ever in our entire history as a nation can come just talk about the leaders because i know you're going to see boris johnson after this is somebody you can support as prime minister and leader of the having at the sort of whether or not to vote for gore that's probably what i'm going to get them but you would consider it well i will vote for president there's no way i will vote for him i mean the reason why i was and remain at the heart was never in leaving so you why i saw it as a kind of damage limitation exercise where you say that she said she was quite

concerned to deliver that she promised on the numerable occasions to deliver bread but she failed and in the end i'm afraid you'll have to face well sure that the party lost confidence in and so did the house of commons you happy that boris johnson being ordered to appear in court over claims that he lied to the referee well over this 350000000 pounds a week to be well the person he's done it's an absolute right and actually if it's not matter well yes of course it's why it doesn't have a bearing on the merits of. what it does because clearly he's doing it from a particular perspective if the i aim is to damage boris it will have precisely the opposite effect because remember the decision on who to pick will go to our members and if they see him being hounded in the courts upon out for minor they're more likely to vote for him so that so you you are undermining public faith in the courts you having the courts will reach the right decision i mean the judge was quite clear i am satisfied there is. sufficient to establish prime

a facia evidence of an issue to be determined at trial well i would argue that the place to argue politics is in parliament not in the courtroom it's arguing whether the charges are unnecessary deliberately misled voters these allegations of misconduct in public office important well i don't believe he did but he will make a point to decide that well but i think it is as i say it's a politically motivated challenged by an alternate remain and what it will do is it will probably big votes among tory party members that the courts are independent will reach an independent decision and in any case the figure was absurd it was labelled 3rd by the institute of fiscal studies are misleading by the case that this think so well actually we're not using it well the conservative government has now announced a 20000000000 pounds a year cash injection into the national health service on the what's known as the n.h.s. 10 year plan. that will actually more than cover $350000000.00 pounds they will

actually end up spending money even larger for our show use that figure during the referendum campaign admitted that it simply wasn't true well it let us see what the arguments only knew it wasn't true. that 350000000 was why didn't you call it out what excuse me let's see what the court decides when i debated but at the end of the day you're not answering my question well knew it was full you didn't know it was the growth it was the correct gross figure there was an arc it wasn't sold as a gross well it was an argument about where they used to gross figure or net figures a gross figure it was literally true. and i'm sure boris remarked that pointing to boris is. has a history of being economical with the truth doesn't tell britain's after the referendum that they would still have access to the single market that turned out to be nonsense that you are not here is an advocate for boris johnson now if you will you said you might vote for him well i said i might but i suggest you go off to interview boris johnson the c's not here perhaps you'd like to interview me i am

limited view about what you thought what you thought about boris was i say i'm going to go into after this i'm afraid your cameras might be present that the country wanted this bill that you've said is dead in the water this with drama did build it well what do you base that the opinion polls which opinion poll ok marsha 20 nights you gov poll those who voted leave in 2016 the outcome which you supported these same people wanted to see that deal pass by 49 percent to 30 percent conservative voters in the same day wanted by an even higher margin to get this deal over the line 57 percent to 24 percent if you didn't care what they thought is it any wonder do you care what you think you know the world will vote for your party let me give you another you know which was prior to that which said that 54 percent of the public did not believe that the withdrawal agreement represented leaving you 14 percent one for it but they still want to pass

that on the 29th of march poll same people that voted leave past 49 to 30 percent have you read that the drug agreement. why do you need me to fill you in well i've read it so i know what's in it do you i don't need to in other words with one other words i don't need to in other words you don't like it so it doesn't matter whether i know or not does it well i do because i read it and that's why they voted against it i'm talking about the pows and the british public people who voted leave and support when you with respect you're trying to lecture me on the great not the radiator and you haven't i'm not actually perhaps you'd like to do this in this interview again when you read the drawbridge people were on because you would be much better informed people were asked a very simple question 2016 referenda work that should be you came remain a member of the european union or leave the european union that was the question that was on the back up they didn't vote for a proper brick set or. no deal breck's it in fact on

a particular issue vote leave was pretty clear there wouldn't be a no deal outcome well as i was trying to argue i think that the best outcome is not an ideal that come it's a free trade agreement. but why is it that you particularly in this part of the conservative party of set yourself up as the arbiters of what really means. because the withdrawal agreement doesn't achieve it and therefore we want something that does we want to leave the european union we want to be a sovereign nation we want to elect our own governments and make our own laws and at the end of the does the someone who campaigned a lot in the referendum that was the critical issue there were a number of issues apply the money was an issue immigration was an issue but the overriding issue was softened it was about who governs who might sound laws you governs our way of life and the british people voted by a majority of well over

a 1000000 votes that we wanted to take back control of our own destiny in our own government that's really what breaks it means on the 31st of october that is precisely what we're hearing today let's talk a bit about the nature of the political discourse in britain at the moment what happened to compromise in british politics and i ask this because this issue has helped to turn britain into a pretty angry and divided country hasn't it new york colleagues often seem to revel in the well or i wouldn't use the word radical but the truth is is that the british establishment and my meaning i include nats and powerful officials in number 10 downing street and in the count of this office sighing kluge a number of many members of parliament are include some in the media are not yourselves. who would never accept the result of the referendum i thought people were wrong and who spent 3 years doing their best to frustrate their decision so it's a conspiracy it's them and us it's the people versus the establishment as you wrote as you wrote in that's exactly what it is and on in the european elections the

people won and your expression of fellow travelers which you also put in your article suggests a whiff of cold war treachery one of the apocalyptic language that you and your colleagues are using bill cash one of your senior members accused the reason may of appeasement a forced and humiliating surrender former foreign office minister alice to criticize the use of words like mendacity the trail does it ever cross your mind you said to bill cash what you're contributing to the answer is a toxic. environment well the sun newspaper and the telegraph newspaper analyzed the door agreement when it was published they put in their words not knowing the squad to surrender so you might want to take it up with the editor of the sun or the editor of the daily telegraph yeah but you don't need to parrot what the sun says or the daily telegraph neither my point is that they were using that language and their national newspapers yeah so do you do you set

your compass by what the national newspapers do on the country you said there are people in the press you don't want to follow who are part of this conspiracy well i've read of it on agreement and it is a story that's why i would never vote for it is the country divided enough without people poor in more oil on the far. painting them and scenarios like you do talking of conspiracies when the other side the people who oppose your view just think differently that's it they think different they're allowed to think differently in a democracy of course they all but equally it's important to remember that before the referendum the government spent 9000000 pounds of british taxpayers' money sending a leaflet through every tool in the united kingdom to try and persuade us to remain . now in that leaflet in the last page it says very clearly this is a once in a generation decision. and it then said or i can remember the words literally it

says this is your decision the government will implement what you decide will the people decide it decided but the government didn't implement it hence the division in the frustration in our country if the government a done what the people having given them the choice having promised that they would implement their decision when the people decided many people in government didn't like thought it was the wrong answer if they had implemented the decisions they promised in the book as they promised every electorate in the united kingdom we wouldn't be in this who was it who said if a democracy color changes mind it's not a democracy remember who said oh it was david davis more recently who saw it in a month in 2012 he said in a speech he once said something along those lines but anyway cut it anyway this would have been more recent 2012 and that's really that's

a promise that people can change their minds why can't they change their minds over packs of well you change your mind i don't remember what leader you've got while i'm in the government with respect so i haven't changed my mind over breakfast you the conservatives one of. the people voted. they took a decision they didn't change their mind well we've taken a decision in parliament we spent 40 years in the house of commons arguing about your own words really from the day that we joined the european economic community in 1973 in the end we agreed on one thing which is that we couldn't agree so we all agree or nearly everybody overwhelmingly the house of commons voted to put the decision to the british people in a referendum and i think from memory over 500 he's voted for that will there abouts so the house of commons overwhelmingly said let's put it to the people and everybody promised faithfully to abide by the result now you could all he was

sitting with a thought that because both sides thought they were going to win but anyway everybody promised and the decision was to leave and yet many people in the house of commons never accepted it felt it was the wrong on the people that made a dreadful mistake and they spent the last 3 years digging there he was he doing everything they can to frustrate the will of the people this as i said as you quoted me this is more from leave this is reminding to the people versus the establishment in the end in a democracy the people must provide mr francois you took issue when i said you were revelling in the divisions in the country but you like to pick out targets to have a go at the cheap when the german bus of their bus time and said here's where man had to say his company would never leave the u.k. because a huge factor is that you let him have it with both barrels didn't ship used to move teutonic arrogance and then started talking about your father did dave who never submitted to bullying by any german nor would he son you said. what on earth

has mr sanders got to do with the war and your father on d.-day well mr rennes has now been replaced by game fully who said at a press conference i think 2 weeks ago that air bus whatever happened the bricks that were now remain in the united kingdom and were committed to the arctic so he has a different view yes because at the time you said it what did mr enders have to do with won't your father indeed miss to end this by his spot threatening to withdraw 40000 jobs from the united kingdom was effectively trying to bully british members of parliament in how to vote in the house of commons most importantly it was pointing out that if you took certain political decisions in this country there would be consequences for his company well those consequences appear to have chains because the new chief executive of a boss who was she was saying off as aggressive as mr and this in his character is now sure here for the long term aggressive about him taking seriously his responsibility for the thousands of workers. employees in the u.k.

well he was threatening to take away their jobs that's how seriously he took his responsibility he was warning them that the jobs were in danger he wasn't threatening to take well he was warning that jobs were in danger well it would appear the new c.e.o. says they're not you think people will say. mr was the 1st one was tough here he stuck it to the germans is what did you want to come out of this extraordinary exchange with you because i don't think any any company be they british or european or american or brazilian will join these b. they hallway or anybody else should attempt to bully the house of coons. now donald trump attempts to bully who is not a complete easy you said any any political leader you know who i said any company are but your meat because alone where donald trump is can sleep if you can see i think this is what every look i don't mean i don't mean to. challenge your skill as an interview but if you are going to quite frankly probably about what i didn't say

that about the drum because he's not a company ok so why are you so silent when he comes in he he insults the mayor of london the duchess of sussex he tells the government what to do he indorse is boris johnson as leader and you're quite happy about that to be bullied by america was silent about that one second i thought we were talking about brits we are. talking about divisions as well we're talking about your attitude to people telling britain as you say trying to bully that's what we do so i thought we'd talk about company the attempted to bully the house of commons you know and now we're talking about the leaders attempting to bully the hospital. or ok donald trump is not a company he's an elected i understand now he is the president of the united states now some people don't like him. but he was democratically elected by the american people he holds that office because he won the presidential election in the united states now he's not everybody's cup of tea he's extremely playing speaking some

people don't like that on a plain speaking politician someone are not frightened of that. but he has engaged in a direct flagrant attempt to influence british politics well for instance you wouldn't accept this from many european leaders we won't for instance he has been involved in the debate about whether or not we should allow the chinese company hockey access to our telecommunications network when we grow a 5 g. network in this country personally i think he's right that the national security council as we now know were divided on the issue some secretaries of state thought that it was acceptable and we could manage the risk other sectors of state thought that we couldn't manage the risk and it was far too dangerous person threatening britain live it doesn't make the right decision over would use intelligence cooperation that's bullying isn't well you're quite happy about that one second i think what he said and again maybe you might want to interview him about it but i

think he's cautioning us against what he believes is not a wise course of action because of intelligence sharing between the so-called $5.00 community ourselves you know what it states australia can as a new zealand is fundamental to the national security of all 5 of us and indeed to the west the your point is you accept. from the european leaders well the present in the other states has a view and he's come over here and he tends to be more in if you want to bomb the long haul but i think he's right so as long as he's right you're happy to accept i don't think him commenting on for why he is pulling. this talk about jericho you've got 3 minutes to talk about whatever you want to talk about jimmy carter in april you called him a marxist with anti semitic tendencies he is a marxist so what he happens to be an elected leader of her majesty's loyal opposition here why does that rule him out as an interlocutor for your party because you complained that the reason may shouldn't have sat down and spoke jeremy

corbyn is not just about this he has presided over a culture of and the semitism within the labor party which is now being. gaited by the human rights commission not by the party has been accused of islamophobia one second he is a republican has been his life doesn't quite it doesn't want the monarchy he. is a lifelong member of the campaign for deeply at the solemn moment he has always passionately believed in reducing and nuking fact abolishing our nuclear defenses he's been a little interest in the field fair elections excel with democracy i accept that he is the leader of the labor party but he is antithetical to everything my party blades why should we get into bed with a man who represents everything we detest so what you said in effect is that jeremy coleman's political beliefs whatever they may be have put him beyond the pale and ruled him out as a political interlocutor that's a dangerous idea in a democracy isn't the only talk to the people whose views you like. with respect we

talked to the other politicians all the time in the house of commons but you're doing a lot i would so i wouldn't do a deal over the future of this country with that man now never mind the fact that he is freely and fairly elected they've chosen him to be their leader doesn't mean i have to agree but i think he'd be a disastrous prime minister and i hope and believe he would never be the prime minister of the united states your efforts the office of conservative party well put him in the top slot. how will you think then of what you've done well i don't believe term equipment will win the general election because i don't believe the british people want to vote for a marxist one anti semitic like you are not necessarily the best clairvoyant well if it's an election the really important thing about that is you don't decide and neither will all the people will it's called democracy thank you for your time thank you very much andy.

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