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but that one because of the serious problems personal level and i was unable to live up to what i'm going to. want to know their story. their fight. i'm dealing with facts so you're dealing with complex something going on not that you know what i said that you want to call terrorism not a war in this region i mean a problem for the entire world because you don't think ready for the last 2 years the gulf state of qatar has been blockaded by a quartet of arab states which accuse it of supporting terrorism my guest this week here in berlin is the qatari foreign ministry spokesperson. to yours always denied the charges but with question marks going back many years do those denials ring
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true. welcome to conflicts our thank you for inviting me last march qatar put 28 people and ditties on the terrorism list which included several tyree nationals some of these people had already been on the arab list before why did your government delay putting the well this is not entirely accurate the idea of having designated this war was new altogether. and as a matter of fact the other piece who are on the list 4 of them to be very precise and specific what are already under the watch because they were under the security council designated list and all of the measures had been applied on them actually here is prior to desert meeting them but the. and the arab states put them on the
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list you said the charges were baseless no that's not accurate let's put things into context june 5th 2017 for walking countries for our countries decided to book it because now we understand that we are less than truthful specifically about very 98 people and that is so to put things into context again when they did that when they did the country when they expelled our people from their own countries. prevented them from access to mecca and then i understand i don't want to go through the whole history of them so when they did what they did that is they wanted to have an excuse so they have put forward many accusations and on terrorism etc we said that those accusations were baseless and this was our position when april last year washington's near east institute gave evidence to a house subcommittee on terrorism said doha had been less than forthcoming on the
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issue of prosecuting terrorism finances in qatari court sit over the issue is you're courting a think tank in the us but you're not courting the state department which said that the memorandum of understanding signed between utter and the u.s. puts it ahead of its neighbors including saudi and united arab emirates well for a long period of time the state department has had quite a few reservations about let's go through the history in 2009 a classified cable from the us state department to its missions in the gulf pointed to your disinterest in the subject qatar has adopted a largely passive approach to cooperating with the us against terrorist financing it said in february 2007 to 2 years earlier former u.s. treasury official daniel glaser so cata had not yet made the kind of fundamental decisions on combating terrorist financing is a hardly glowing endorsement as one of your position is. the only sure. question is
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is that a chance light on some facts and ignores completely other facts including the memorandum of understanding with the us including the fact that the 1st legislation we had against terrorism was in the year 2000 and you can always sign pieces of paper cutter but if you don't do anything about them we do meaningless we know what you think these comments are so well there are so many good karma you haven't got the political will as latest october 27th in the us secretary treasury secretary stephen minutiae so terrorists were continuing to use both the charity and money service sectors in qatar for in the sit finance and. crackdown on magner absolutely and mr minutiae a few months ago was of other met with his highness and actually mean remarks that are to the contrary of what you just mentioned in addition to that january 2000 and . 19 we had the 2nd strategic dialogue between though had and the u.s.
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and that very dialogue the joint communique that came out of it actually commanded coupler for its actions against terror as a matter of. our results little isn't a result look let's let's actually let's actually look at some of your results because you have treated your terrorist suspects with extraordinary leniency or careless signs and i wonder why let's take some examples it. was released from jail busy after he promised not to conduct terrorist activity and that this was a man who had plotted military attacks against u.s. military bases in our power for punishment promised to be a good boy and will let you out of jail term i'm afraid that you're not even given the chance i mean you're taking so long to state you know spell of the accusations but i need a chance to tell you from cells exactly and i'm dealing with facts so you're dealing with comments i'm doing no no no no what i said arthur that the fact that.
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at the state department said that carter is ahead there with neighbors this is a fact the fact that mr minutiae was in doha commanded qatar only a few months ago this is a fact the fact that the name that you just mentioned and the 4 the only 4 names that we have on there's admitted list as that is they had actions taken against them years ago not only to the those are the facts that you know you should put in to so that if you let me let me give eric let me give you a few more facts and let me give you a few more phone it in addition to this and that i might want to go to a point that you mentioned earlier the problem has caught ink courting countries that accused coppered of terrorism as if they were in a position to accuse other of terrorism whereas these 3 countries egypt and sounding united arab emirates had their own citizens participating in september 11th let's look at ability of akureyri arrested in 2016 supposedly served his sentence under house arrest very nice and comfortable for coordinating the funding
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between qatari finances and al qaeda serious charge just a few months at home this is a joke isn't no it's not because there is something called the rule of law how many designate people are on the u.s. list you have u.s. citizens for example this is called group of law the people that you mentioned are on watch lists there is a huge difference between being on a watch list this means you are a suspect and there are no charges that were proven against you is how effective you are. merely no no the question is how it affects the other and they are really in compliance absolutely in compliance with the u.n. security council measures can you tell me what those measures are now affective was it for. the u.s. government said you shut down his terrorist fund raising 2014 by 2017 the treasury noted that he was still actively involved in financing a year later i'll tell you what that's an effective measure to measure. it is very
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effective i mean the found look like no it is so do you know what the u.n. security council measures are against people who are designated it's not up to me to know nobody's i don't really do you know the last thing i checked and dealing with fact none of those are the facts and not only that there are 3 measures i mean you look can look them up online 3 measures that need to be taken one is to prevent those individuals individuals from access to weapons to is to seize all of the financial transactions and free is a ban on travel all of these 3 international measures have been exercised on these people now if you want to i guess whether you're going networks we're running if you want to be an isolated you want us to go beyond international law then maybe you should say that clearly look. the other thing that you do is you play games with the west word word games in fact supporting the palestinian group hamas but insisting on calling them a resistance organization and denying the terrorists your counter terrorism envoy
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mood like al qatar me said in washington in april last year hamas is not a terrorist organization and start sending suicide bombers to blow up buses killing civilians women and children sending rockets discriminate indiscriminately over civilian areas that's not terrorism there isn't a single arab country that designates hemis as a terrorist organization where you know there are no here nor there are not unique in that position we are not unique in that position as a matter of fact there are many other matter with you unique or not that's not the issue many sending suicide bombers to blow up buses with women in general men is that not terrorism any we don't approve of any of those i reason we don't approve of any of those violations however many european countries don't designate x. if it's not terrorism what would you call it then and billowing up civilians on buses. what would you call and work out at him and call if it's magick or not it's
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on it's violence that's not acceptable against this is a terrorism you want to call it terrorism fair enough but the problem is you are not dealing fairly with the different parties here we're talking in the context of occupation that is israeli occupation that is killing people on daily basis the you that describe this as terrorism or not how do you hope to play any meaningful role in the war on terror if you won't accept the common definition of what terrorism no actually is no no we do accept that we do accept that however to the thing is when you were describing the actions of hamas you gave yourself the liberty of the scribing this as terrorism but when i asked you about what the israeli occupation is doing i can strengthen and women you shine away from the scribing this and start talks as israelis about what. i am talk had i am talking to you about
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your position on arms fair and i'm serving these people for us enough but the agree that there needs i'm not here to agree or disagree and better answer do the ask your question i totally understand but once again should there be a unified definition of terrorism that is acceptable internationally then maybe it should not be based on double it and it's not that years ago cambridge dictionary defines it as violent action for political purposes that's it as that's it enough then should be applicable on both parties we're talking about hamas here and you are the israeli the fact is your anti terrorist credentials have been further put in your government's readiness to allow hate speech from your mosques and on state broker us in april last year the anti defamation league which monitors hate speech said your government continue to use its platforms to promote strident anti semitic preachers why south true and give us an example. i'll tell you one thing i'll tell
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you one thing that always needs to be a balance between freedom of expression and what people think and then what the government should do we have many platforms other that have many different voices right represented so to give you an example your government provides your features with guidance standard for the friday so mine away by the way reviews crimes i don't have reserves the right to take judicial action against clerics who break the rules of this of the other that's not true i'll tell you what i'll tell you one thing i'll tell you one thing i mean once again we have platforms and bill had that represent all voices including voices that are considered by many muslim conservatives as voices that should not be represented we represent all voices and coupled with no exclusion of friday sermon december 27th teen mohammed reiki he told muslims that jews have an image in hatred towards you in their blood and their
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veins you describe the jewish people as your deceitful lying treacherous fornicating in chances are an enemy who has despoiled corrupted ruined and killed and will not stop and he called on all muslims to cleanse out from the filth of the jews you put that out you put that out on your broker us no human promoted it this is this is not acceptable to describe except to know we don't know how except of all is it that your government accepted it the government did not accept that when the government issued a statement accepting that they promoted it no they did not do it no they did it of course i'm telling you are you going on has i had to i really don't i am speech i why do you continue i am with. listen i am telling you i am a representative of the government and i'm telling you that any description of any group is and such terms is absolutely not acceptable it's discrimination and we
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don't approve of it yet yet in other venues you have the slum of for but discourse happening in europe and the well automator with you're not you're not responsible for europe you're responsible for all arizona and outta here but listen you cannot dictate what i'm going to say now but it is those voices islam for because boyce is are represented and many countries yet we don't hear that it's because of the freedom of expression in other countries i'm not saying once again i'm reiterating my position that those terms are not acceptable yet we should receive fair treatment fair treatment and by the way in many other countries including israel there are many who are using the same terms exactly against muslims back in the early 2000 scatter made many promises to democratize and wondering why the process has stalled because the 2003 constitution stipulated that 30 out of 45 members of the m is advisory council would be filled through elections every 4 years 16 years
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on from that constitution no elections they've been repeatedly perspire why why the answer is very straightforward unfortunately some of our neighbors were not happy with that they thought that you should you care what your neighbors thing well no actually we do it and we do and now we realize after 2 years of the walking that we realize that maybe we should have our own path independent path away from them and that's why you know i kind of got an answer to your constitution and this is exactly it's a commitment an absolute 16 years on yet has universal feeling about what you're not aware of is that after the blockade actually it's been an hour that the shura council will be elected and the legislations are being worked on. you've also made a lot of promises on workers' rights human rights groups acknowledge that you have finally and after much delay taken measures to improve the you pulling conditions
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that migrant workers in qatar have had to put up with why did you take so long. the question of the guest workers is definitely a complex question there is no question about our commitment when it comes to that rights there has been over the years plenty of question about you can fair enough i mean those were basically based on some media campaign success at all but the best on the truth the mice and allows the conditions in all these might be a bizarre time we acknowledge that and we acknowledge that as a matter of fact the most recent amnesty international report we have welcomed that human rights watch are welcome to the house on a regular basis and we receive their criticism very well yet we may still say you're dragging your feet yes but they said that they we made great progress ilo in november 2017 closed the issue the case against us and we have threatened you
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a full investigation and if you didn't clean up your act you know i'll tell you what they have to threaten you with the know they know nothing else and you they did so fact and know the thing is that but this is the difference we deal with constructive criticism very positively that's why we receive any constructive criticism very well so let me just continue that part after the closing the complaint against what are the ilo november 2017 we signed a 3 year agreement with them and the ilo issued a statement saying that should all the measures and that agreement be moved implemented others will be at leading example in the region this is what we aspire to and there is no question about our commitment to the guesswork they are helping us in developing our country. your treatment of foreigners in class has attracted the attention of the un convention against torture and other cruel inhuman or degrading treatment in june last year they cited
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a catalogue of appalling conditions inside the house deportation center these include inadequate sanitation insufficient ventilation shortage of bedding and food you are the richest country on earth shortage of food and bedding no proper lavatories no proper ventilation no proper food you feel no shame at any of this every anyone who hears about this should feel that there is no question are you ashamed of this i'll tell you one thing to the point this girl's from my question as a simple yes or no right here shows is that this is a violent woodworking on and there is nothing someone does it take to work on it you're the richest country on earth in the long does this take that nearer to provide proper love and truth for human beings takes a long time i think for a reason really really why do you want an answer yes fair enough so the answer is the following the problem the serious problem we're facing is the following there are thousands of medium and small businesses that are very difficult to control so
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i'm to go to deport this and the humor of it the lies and blunt the laws and regulations have developed massively so minimum wages have been applied exit permit has been abolished what's known for everybody who promised to abolish it for everybody by the end of this year as work hasn't been clearly abolished yet i'll tell you there is a difference between having the law and law enforcement to give you an example there are laws that condemn like that for a bit of crimes everywhere does this means that crime stops of course no there are many violations yes learn from harlem and you don't have people who object but you don't recall you have to can anyone not know you're a mere 24 then so. we are going to do this then i'm accepting no but then your stance on except now when you haven't done the homework properly the national human rights committee and other issues a report or nearly basis about the conditions of the migrant workers why there's no
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proper ventilation proper no that's why we were promised food no no proper love actually a lot in your don't go take a stance why is it appalling state of absolute that's why what i'm proving why did you see international human rights watch that we said that we have made great the problem is never do anything unless you push a note of the no we do and you grab your feet do you know of an idea you've read it in the you know arrest and every roof that is completely inaccurate to the minimum we do $1000000.00 no necessarily no we don't do the minimum we are the best when it comes to our region by the way really of course we are can you give me examples from the neighboring countries. and the un convention against torture and the other cruel inhuman or degrading treatment says that what is striking is the number of times the committee says you have failed to provide the un route to crested information particularly about to adjust the system or you so reluctant to live up
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to the suspect to your obligations i'll get to that but i just need to address one point that you mentioned about that we don't do actions towards you know the conditions of migrant workers are not unless we're pushed to and 2008 we have launched our vision 2030 and right in that vision one of the 4 pillars about as was about human development and improving the conditions for the migrant workers was there and others and certainly it may answer the u.n. is still saying no problem for a very violent elation no proper lavatories no proper burial for that's taken a long time absolutely a 2nd only some forgive or has even a long time the entire world there are violations in and using real estate and you are the richest country that is well why have you not complied with the un's requests for information i'll tell you why i know but unfortunately people lying on the richest country i need to address this there are violations against migrant workers in every country in the world i'm not talking about every country not yours not this means that we are we can treasure what about games but what definitely
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what about venus what about mars what's happening our moon now i'm talking about no happens after that what happens don't seem to want to drill i said that no we want to address it i said that we have improved i said that we have welcomed the emptiness amnesty international report. i mean once again we are she also you are not living up to tell it to your committee exactly and we have welcomed that and we said that we are working on this there is a huge difference between having violations that are systematic and violations that happen because of the complexity of the situation you feel no shame to you from putting people in these conditions to you we're not putting people under these conditions. no know who we are in the deportations and the ones you again no one said this is completely not acceptable this is what i said what i said was very clear there isn't something that a systematic and as soon as we discover
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a violation we act upon that there is no question about this look at the blockade after 2 years for a blockade from the arab quartet your foreign minister recently returned in the last few days summits in saudi arabia does this mean the block is ended the promise of yes yes no no doesn't this only shows our commitment to a corporation basically and it was the result of mediation from the side of the emir of kuwait we honored that and our prime minister attended we had didn't like the turn of statements and not dealing with iran before they were too harsh on iran and that's not accurate we had reservations on the statements and i'm about to explain why because iraq by the way had reservations and other countries also had reservations the reason is the following i mean we're meeting at the as the g.c.c. and yet as government operations around the gulf cooperation council not much cooperation is of much cooperation this is a problem so right in that statement they say the opposite they say that the
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cooperation is great and they decided to ignore the fact that there is a blockade they decided to ignore the fact that there are thousands of families that are currently separated because of that looking and then at the arab level they refused to address libya despite what's happening and the horrors that are happening because of unfortunately incitement by the same blockading countries for the general have tried to displace thousands of people in libya they refused to address syria that's why of course we objected to those statements and we're not alone are you afraid that with the u.s. . reinforcing its strike power naval strike power in the region with the focus of saudi arabia the u.a.e. that there will be war with iran your freedom and well what we heard from the american administration is that they want to have dialogue but not for escalation so i don't think that any party once escalation in the sport and you are satisfied
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that it isn't going to escalate out of control of any point then of course we're watching instability and instability caused by the blockade against you instability caused by america putting force once of its forces in the area a war are in this region i mean means a problem for the entire world if you don't think. we're hoping that it is but then i mean we have to be very very cautious as we're watching we need to have all parties to be talking to each other there are countries that are mediating for us the prime minister of japan was just in iran so we're hoping that some of those efforts will eventually lead into you know has some if not. if not. i mean if not it's not only for couples to answer this question it's one of the entire world to us of this question all right gotta good to have built up itself thank you
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thank you so.
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