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murder saying they may not have pushed the button but they helped put a missile launcher in place with the intent of shooting down an airplane a mile her rock and roll in this is the day. oh. they'll be placed on national and international wanted lists so we'll reveal their full names and show you their pictures and photos and you said they are responsible for shooting down a much different ego. i just want to know to throw some of this is to. say to been ski kind of relief because now the start of the process over like a lot of you did know is b.s. why do you blame mr putin directly because he made this possible and they were meats cut jungle. i think it's disgusting they deny everything they don't cooperate nothing. also coming up

tonight as countries around the world strengthen their borders and put up walls to keep out refugees we go to uganda a country that is welcoming more people than ever would you look at the infrastructure before we have constructed access what roads into it if it is a tremendous well constructed discourse or structed it is that. international investigators have named 4 suspects who will face murder charges in the shooting down of malaysia airlines flight m.h. 75 years ago the team in charge of the program downs that one ukrainian and 3 russian men would be facing charges for their alleged involvement in downing a plane back in july 24th team flight m h 17 was hit by a russian made missile while flying over eastern ukraine all 298 people on board were killed most were from the netherlands. here's what one member of the

investigative team at the dutch chief prosecutor had to say. for them to feel in the prosecution's charging these 4 men because we believe it was their plan their cooperation and their actions in july 2014 that led to the downing of flight m.h. 17. need sell it even though they didn't push the button themselves there is a suspicion that they worked together to obtain the missile launcher and put it in position with the goal of shooting down a plane. and to talk more about the findings of the dutch led investigation want to bring in our correspondent of a vessel in brussels who's been tracking this investigation for the past 5 years and in kiev ukraine standing by is nick calio to get reaction from there want to start off with you barbara if i may it was of course evidently a very complex case it walked us through why was it did it take this long to determine who the suspects are. because like that it works incredibly painstaking

work because we just remember how much it took a difficult it was to put the puzzle pieces together to reconstruct the downed airliner and to prove that it was in fact shot by an anti-aircraft missile and then the next step to sort of figure out which battery which aircraft launcher was at that particular day in july 2013 in that project in the region off east ukraine and sort of give a name to it in figure out where it was and who was and then the next step off of course and probably the most difficult was to sift through sounds and stuff intercepted telecoms and social media messages between people being in the area at that time between the military between militias and everybody who was involved in this conflict at that time and people were using names like the dolphin and orion

those were the 2 who were now being accused and to figure out who's behind those names so it was very difficult to make want to go to you in. can you tell us more about the suspect. so these 4 men 3 of them are russian citizens the 4th is a ukrainian citizen the 3 russian citizens are all believed to have connections to russia's special security services and you basically have the full chain from egos get otherwise known as little cold who at the time was the self-proclaimed minister of defense of the don't yet separatists government right down to people who were on the ground near the battery when the launch of the rocket happened people who were also believed to have been involved in recovering the black box of the malaysian boeing jihadi from investigators initially and then organizing the return of the book missile system to russia after the tragedy occurred and that what has been the

reaction in ukraine where you are to the murder charges that were brought by dutch prosecutors. well we've had statements both from current president villages alinsky and his priest says he was in charge of ukraine when this happened was a sense of vindication that the ukrainian version of events that this was something that was carried out by russian weaponry and organized people with connections to russia that seemingly was very welcome to have that confirmation from the netherlands today having said that this story isn't playing as big here in ukraine as it probably is in the rest of europe because as you'll remember since the tragedy of july 24th seen thousands of people have died in this conflict that the dying still continues up to the last week so in a way for ukraine this is just part of a much bigger story that continues to dominate life here whereas we see for most of the rest of europe this is a reason to remember to go back to this conflict which shows no sign of ending well

it barbara it's a go to you i mean this is of course playing very very big in the netherlands a date and time has been set for court proceedings by dutch officials i just wonder i mean how likely is it that the suspects will actually ever spend a day in court. it is extremely unlikely as far as the 3 russians are concerned the more or less impossible there will be a trial will be in a sense it is so there won't be in the courtroom but of course legally that is possible there will probably even be a verdict but nobody will go to jail for it ukraine has sort of that they might look for their own citizen who was implicated in this and arrest him but then what have would be up to them more how they deal with this but nothing will really come of it it isn't the symbolic act it is a symbolic start i want to continue our on that in that vein barbara because of

course the majority of the victims on the mh 17 were dutch i mean they have been through a horrifying experience i just wonder i mean is this really justice what justice will look like for them is it meaningless this is just a symbolic act to hold this hold these people accountable it won't be meaningless because at least people have been named and there will probably be a verdict but of course it will remain a very partial satisfaction this is only partial justice this is probably the best they're ever going to get and they have some knowledge to come to terms with it that this is somehow all that the number of loans and the other countries who have who have been involved in the investigation team can deliver for them because the rest is politics and the kremlin is not budging on this question are so not entirely meaningless there nick or russia didn't cooperate with the investigation moscow has of course for years very maintained and denied any involvement in the

shooting down of m.h. 17 but investigators say they have grounds to believe russian servicemen were involved will there be any repercussions for the kremlin. well here's the crucial the crucial into a member here is that those 3 russian citizens of the 4 now implicated they are all veterans of russian security services the question is were they still in active service or were they receiving orders from moscow at the time of this disaster the ukrainian size is vehement that they were but this has been a pattern all through the investigation not only of this tragedy but of deaths resulting from this conflict russia saying that people who previously had been identified as military personnel had either taken holiday to go and serve as volunteers in the separatist forces or had left active service just a matter of days before leaving for eastern ukraine so that is the crucial

distinction there that the russians are likely to make in terms of the repercussions of moscow well i think it is going to be something that moves away from the sphere of justice to the sphere of diplomacy as bob are saying there is the west western governments willing really to put pressure on moscow and to really not take this policy of obfuscation and we've heard over the last 5 years moscow offering various versions. their versions of this disaster initially saying that it was a ukrainian plane who shot down that shot down this malaysian boeing or that it was a ukrainian battery launching lots of contradictory versions that seemingly did little to bring any clarity to this case and this is really a question of political will now right now barbara i want to give you the last word if i may does this now mean that the investigation into the downing of m.h. 17 is done. no the investigation will carry on lot of because the investigators say

we're not done yet however the question is what can the chief they might be able to and they have names have been floating around for a considerable time to name the people who have been manning this rocket launch of this particular book aircraft miss a who was operating on that day that is one part but the other part of course is looking at the higher. russian military and particularly as nic mentioned of course the military secret service and how much knowledge how much insight does the west have and how far is willing to go that is completely up in the air in the end quite doubtful better of a cell in brussels and nic conley in kiev reporting i think you both. are united nations human rights expert says saudi crown prince mohammed bin someone should be investigated over the killing of the journalist. the u.s. agnus a column are cited what she called credible evidence of

a summons liability and wednesday's report she said she found that the troops conducted so far by saudi arabia and turkey had failed to meet international standards because she was killed last october at the saudi consulate in istanbul. like to welcome a now andrew miller to the show he is the deputy director of project on middle east i'm ocracy mr miller has served under president barack obama at the national security council and he joins us now from washington mr miller so good to have you back on the show again and your assessment does this u.n. report conclusively prove that the saudi leadership was behind the murder of mr. it stands in conclusively prove that he was behind the murder but the report explicitly notes that there doesn't have to be a smoking gun that by virtue of muhammad been saw moms position as the de facto

head of state within saudi arabia that it's inconceivable he wasn't aware of the plot against the shoji and that as such under international human rights laws he is legally liable in some respects so even if he did not direct or order his assassination he is morally and legally complicit in the journalist death so what now what next. what the un special repertory recommends is twofold 1st that the u.n. secretary general open an international investigation and she actually chides the secretary general saying that he doesn't have to wait for requests that he has it in his own authority to initiate some type of investigation into what took place and 2nd report in a very unusual step calls for specific action by the united states by both the administration in initiating an f.b.i. investigation if one doesn't exist and what happened given his show she's presence

in the united states and to apply global magnitsky sanctions which are human rights related sanctions on those who are found responsible the report also calls on klon brits to investigate what happened to call for the administration to turn over all available evidence including classified material that can shed light on mohamed been saul man's role and who else was responsible for the death of mr show how likely is it mr miller that this administration the trumpet ministration will take a leadership role in this investigation. unfortunately it is it is difficult if not impossible to imagine that the trump administration will lead the way on this issue the trumpet ministrations foreign policy has been quite scattered and quite unpredictable but in one respect it's been consistent and that is saudi arabia is a privileged partner if not of the united states at least of the trumpet

ministration and president trump and those around him including secretary pompei you know and his son in law jordan questioner have done everything possible to shield mohammed bin psalm on from any culpability and to show choose death what this means is that it's up to congress to determine what happens congress is a co-equal branch of government including in foreign policy in the united states and knowing that the administration will destruct any investigation congress as to force the hand of the administration if congress can come together on a bipartisan basis and a bi cameral basis they can achieve real progress in the investigation and hopefully get to the bottom of what happened but of course as you know better than anybody else there are a lot of strategic interests involved as well do you think it will trump human rights. so far it has at least for some members of congress frankly in both parties while there is generally a general desire for some type of some type of investigation and some type of

oversight even democratic lawmakers are reluctant to impose sanctions or to hold mohammed bin psalm on responsible for fear that it would end the relationship i think from the perspective of many of us in the human rights community that you can't have a strategic relationship with a country that wouldn't gauge in such conduct and unfortunately has showed you murder is just a kind of a piece of a variety of actions that saudi arabia has undertaken domestically and regionally under mohammad been psalm on that has been clearly contrary to u.s. strategic interests as well as to american values including freedom of the press and freedom of speech what are the stakes for saudi arabia i mean what is the impact of this u.n. report on saudi and its standing in the world. i having spoken with a number of people who are normally defenders of saudi arabia both within the

united states and outside of it the general sentiment is that this it won't be forgotten that no matter how hard the trump administration and mohammed bin psalm on try to divert attention from this issue that is going to follow him and mohamed bin samana long as a stain on his record as a stain on his stewardship of the country and given that mohammed bin psalm on and his father king saul mon expect him to rule for decades this is something that's going to remain a thorn in his side and ultimately if he's unable to dig out of this hole that he's created for himself if he's unable to establish some degree of remorse for what's happened as well as redirect the saudi state to behave more responsibly it's not clear that the saudi u.s. relationship is going to survive in its current form or that saudi arabia will be looked on in the same wide by the international community as a. producing actor as some state that is actually working towards

a global public good which which consists of stability security and some degree of predictability in saudi arabia simply isn't that at the moment joining us from washington andrew miller deputy director of the project on middle east democracy set thanks again for coming on it's my pleasure thank you. new figures from the u.n. refugee agency show record numbers of people have been displaced by war or persecution more than 70000000 people around the world are currently displaced most of the refugees are taken in by developing countries 4th on the list of countries hosting refugees is uganda we take a closer look at this african nation and ask why this country has been more welcoming to refugees than many others. seen by seem stitched by stage it is phony is making a new dress she recently trained as

a seamstress as part of a u.n. refugee aid projects in 2016 she fled with her family from war torn south sudan to uganda. on our way of the rebels came they took our property tortured us into print ways and beat us. liberals it's like millions of others from south sudan edith and her family found refuge in uganda refugee ate here functions differently people and simply confined to a camp liking kenya refugees who were arrive here are immediately given a work permit and land which is provided by the communities and then you neighbors they also receive monthly benefits. we have cash on foot as well because when we give them food get that is restricted to the food that we've given them but when you give them cash you have the option to buy and supplement what about that debt

that that is so it's optional ugandans have a strong willingness to give to those in need for 20 years they also suffered during the civil war they also benefit from international aid which can be used to build hospitals or schools but of course there are still challenges. as a younger school we have enormous challenges one of it is the infrastructure like the classrooms are not enough we don't have st the laboratories we don't have labor ready though we have the books but we have nowhere to put them then also the teachers move from for these things to come here so there are no stuff what does the most of the students especially the girl tell move from 5 distance to come and land in the school. no veges room a school is in a jew money district in the north of the country 400000 people live here half of them are refugees some of whom arrived here 50 years ago many of from south sudan

where the most recent civil war broke out in 2013 it's led to an ongoing conflict between rival factions titus jogo the refugee officer in the district is happy that the refugees were able to find a new place to call home in uganda he believes it benefits the locals to the prisons over to somebody in yours mindy's so many people have been employed not not not in a city from disappear strictly but it was well under with pay cuts when you look at the infrastructure before we have constructed access what roads into it if it is a tremendous well constructed discourse structed it is there but there are also negative aspects rizzo's is like would supplies on to in doing in january this year almost 6000 more refugees arrived in uganda but it wants to keep its borders open

and can only manage this influx with the help of aid money at least for the time being as uganda's policies continue to be put into action it's hoped that refugees will become self-sufficient like seamstress aegis phony. an earlier date of use on your kerner spoke with the un's high commissioner for refugees filippo grandi he appealed for more international cooperation. by commission and nearly 71000000 people worldwide are displaced all refugees are high increase in numbers compared to last year one of the reasons. the main one is inability to resolve conflict to put an end to wars old wars chronic wars new wars new crisis unless this is addressed to gether unanimously by the international community we will continue to see these figures rice how should the

world leaders address the situation by working together. we have seen that even in the crises that have caused the worst humanitarian problems like syria like libya like yemen we have not seen unity on the part of the international community unless there is a unity in the security council where germany sits and tries to encourage a unit in other fora unless there is this unity of intent we will not solve conflict and we will continue to inflict the consequences of conflict on millions of people that make this very difficult choice to leave behind everything that they hold dear and go into exile. about half of the refugees are children what impact does it have on their lives that they have to grow up in a situation like this and isn't that a dramatic element of this whole situation children do not make choices they just leave because it's dangerous for them and the dangers are multiplied by their

fragility by their exposure be it to disease be to hunger especially in some situations be it to exploitation and abuse which sadly we see in many of these conflicts and another thing that i think is very important education you know being on the move being in exile makes it reduces your chances to get a good education and we can only imagine what generations of children without education may mean so we really need to act on all these things at the same time. a huge number of people are refugees at the same time a lot of countries try to close their borders what is your message to those governments this is the result of the political manipulation that has been made of this movement of people forced movement of people presenting there must threats presenting them as people that are coming here to steal our jobs and to threaten our security instead of presenting them us people in need of solidarity and so.

port and instead of being stressed teaching in trying to address the root causes i agreed that we want to put an end to this phenomena and i also believe that 71000000 is a big figure but when you look at the world $7500000000.00 people it is a manageable figure it can only be managed by working together by the dramatizing the whole issue of refugees and migrants and by being strategic about looking at the root causes if we start working in that manner and not continuously put back the issue into the political domain we will make progress for the people affected and for all of us high commissioner thank you very much. and that of course was the w.'s i know kerner with the un's high commissioner for refugees for the foreground and that was the day as ever the conversation continues online you'll find us on twitter at twitter rather either at g.w. news or at the rock don't forget to use our hash tag the day and remember whatever

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