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it was 5 minutes 4 minutes yet. morris has a power and beauty finds he has it all. he fits in the pantheon of the great tenors certainly he's one for the ages and. i'm. curious cause what 10 or 14 years starts july 10th on w. q. a longer t.a.a. are tracking down the people responsible for one of the worst crimes of the 20th century the 994 genocide in rwanda. in many cases the trail leads from
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rwanda back to their home country fronts want to see it 2 continents. she watches those who are suspected of taking part in the crimes must be tried before a court especially those currently living in france give you a false. so we're fighting for justice. because the victims have a right to that this is just we must make sure that they're not forgotten. and on a difficult mission. she is in rwanda tracking down witnesses and evidence of crimes committed 25 years ago the massacre of the country's tutsi minority and moderates who take a sperm. are looking into 2 new cases involve 2 people who fled to for. rance. international arrest warrants were issued
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for both of them but france is refusing to recognize them to rwanda and won't bring up legal proceedings against them in france either. the author or group without going through but i don't know exactly how things will go today but i'm hoping to get witness statements from some of the victims. who did work the victim. got a isn't a police officer or a prosecutor he's a retired teacher and his detective work is private to many survivors he is the only hope left to finding justice. but we cannot accept that people who took part in this genocide against the tutsis. are now living a peaceful life in france. while the survivors still live here in poverty. with the perpetrators are in france and have acquired a kind of immunity. really need to.
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rwanda the land of a 1000 hills. in 1994 the stick to rest country witnessed one of the greatest humanitarian crimes in recent history. extremists from the who's who majority murdered almost a 1000000 tutsis and moderate hutus within a 100 days. the international community stood by idly and watched. in this church and the guru alone more than 3 and a half 1000 people were killed in just a single day. this is where our now begins his search. regina
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is one of the few to have survived a church massacre. who would give. me my whole family was hiding here. who gives a good one we were a big family i met them and now i'm the only one left and they dumped the bodies into the cistern in front of the church i survived despite my severe injuries. they did things to us that were so dreadful it's hard to imagine and. it's agonizing to hear that these people are now living in peace somewhere else as if nothing had ever happened. when we live with this pain and there's nothing we can do about it. will make. words that will never heal. while many victims remain silent regina has
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made a point of talking to a lot. of. different survivors i've met are filling out the documents we need to file a complaint with the examining magistrate. we need to show that they're related to the victims of our case also. it's painstaking work to piece together the evidence while a law hasn't made a big breakthrough today he has laid the foundation for further research. a law is on his way back to the capital kigali for a meeting at the office of the prosecutor general. after all these years rwandan authorities are still pursuing those who committed the crimes but they reach is limited allows work is a valuable asset to them. we know how hard it is for these
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fugitives moving in this and going to. prison as who has been out for feeding teams to lash out with a number of other countries that this sort of france would be a safe haven for the public prosecutor schools he wanted a doesn't see a prosecution if it's in france as an outside interference but as welcome support the al we have been raised to really that's a seizure usually and it's here to come on board. this is an international duty we all have a duty. with our governments with civil societies to contribute to justice to international justice the national. universities and you cannot write. 25 years later rwanda has transformed into a young and modern society now the various ethnic groups live together peacefully.
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24 year old jack works as a photographer and artist in kigali he and his friends organize cultural events across the entire nation. and al is drive from kigali the crowd has eagerly anticipated the young artists arrival. here and now the past seems far away. but it has not been forgotten. something for good causes all for my so. if i talk up it's more like. showing that one is more than the. first so it's a little social in be real wrong like why are we.
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so when it is rwanda now. to allow his work is not only part of dealing with the post but also a contribution to a brighter future. a few days later back in the french city of qom. he and his wife jeff was all have lived here for many years. deaf was that i was born in rwanda her mother was murdered in the 1st few days of the genocide. most of her family was also simply wiped out. one day maybe more than 6000 kilometers away but all of us memories are right here. when measured in question which it ms imagined on my i have the feeling that all
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the images from back then are still in my head. a few of the places the smells here for example in this family photo you can see my mother with my eldest daughter and that's my youngest sarah. these are our children and their cousins the joyous family photo where everyone's gathered together. everyone's happy to see each other . as this and we in our children are the only ones still alive i almost feel a bit guilty why us. none of my relatives asked to die. their lives were snuffed out. just like that. who has the right to do that. having lost nearly the entire family is the driving force behind their tireless work.
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on our commitment has changed our life completely. we were forced to make a choice to choose a different way of life than not home want to know we devote our time to research to finding the people who committed the genocide. there is tomorrow and to compiling ducey is about them for them all inevitably practically everything else in our lives has become secondary i did it also gone. next door in their office the documents are piling up this is where the couple conducts they reset. tracking down criminals 25 years after their crime is a difficult undertaking and emotionally draining i. know said suboffice you suppose it's not easy at all. and it's probably even harder rhonda for you but it's one i'm sure her past makes it even more difficult for her to
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maintain the distance necessary. we can't let ourselves be too moved by witness statements so. this is our work and we have to live with that. a lot is taking the 2 new justice we put together and obama to paris that he hopes to convince the state prosecutor's office to open an investigation he believes europeans have a responsibility to act. with. the people who committed the genocide are being searched for all over europe canada the united states all are looking. but france is different it refuses director died. none of the perpetrators who are suspects in rwanda have to live here have been extradited. to extradition requests of 42 refusals. so our only chance is to bring them to trial in france. here in the heart of paris
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is with a good lawyer philip powell works she has been supporting the efforts for years and has a keen understanding for the excruciating details they must gather in order to move the case for way it. alone hopes the results from the research she conducted in rwanda last november will help her ensure the charges are brought against both suspects working with the goat is very important to the lawyer. before my work with i landed was as very profound because they're so touched by what they do that they have dedicated their entire lives to it it's like they're compelled to do it. that moves me personally as well it gives all of this a special quality certainly you can't treat genocide as if it were just any other criminal case so. this is where everything comes together the palace of
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justice and law and i have spent a lot of time in the ministry here their organization the civil plaintiffs collective for a wonder all c.p.c. are has filed more than 40 complaints over the years but in all that time there have only been 3 convictions. those 3 convictions wouldn't have happened without us. so we were the ones who mobilized the investigating judges. unfortunately that's the truth of the matter. visible the judiciary has only recently started to take initiative. ready minus france shown so little interest in persecuting those who committed the genocide. ready here on the outskirts of the capital as france a special judiciary unit to fight crimes against humanity. prosecutor earlier
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divorce was directly involved in one of the 3 successful lawsuits why must individuals like along do the work of the judiciary for them. to some say when you got to some say we need both in terms of geography and time were far removed from where and when the crimes were actually committed. that's why the work of n.g.o.s like an illness is so important. the plant. they are put together the files and presented them on so that we could prepare the indictments only. they could be any way the last culprits guilty of mass murder in rwanda. the same afternoon i like i said to me.
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about you you're not going to go because your body the lawyer from hamburg is also active in her wand he too is committed to defending the genocide victims in germany he represented their next of kin in legal proceedings for years the 2 has been getting together regularly to discuss what progress has been made. do you so much them is not surprised that france has done so little to pursue the offender is it hard is because it's no secret that france was very close to the regime that committed those atrocities. and his organization are helping the public prosecution do its job its. line the prosecuting attorneys would never have managed to put this together on their own that's why it's so remarkable what his organization and the committee here have accomplished that's. a longer tear and
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detail mug someone justice for the victims. but what about the perpetrators. one of the 3 men convicted in france for genocide is in a prison just outside of paris. we aren't able to speak with him ourselves but after a number of interview requests his daughter finally agrees to speak to us. was said to meet at a law firm in the city center but to our disappointment we're met only by the family's lawyer the convex daughter had canceled last minute. please epstein is extremely critical of law and his organization. i think the c.b.c. are has devoted itself to the wrong course but people there are prepared to use deceptive arguments sometimes even false witness statements and preform related statements. they were willing to use witnesses who had lie just to get
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a conviction. for them the end justifies the means that's the position the c.p.c. are represents and under those circumstances i prefer to defend mass murderers or the. serious allegations we decide to follow them up. when i know has collected enough evidence he hands it over to the central office for combat in crimes against humanity genocide and war crimes or o.c.l.c. age there undercover agents retrace the suspect steps in france and rwanda in extensive investigations head of the office says it would be almost impossible for someone innocent to be convicted. when we start looking into a case we don't rely on the statement of just say 5 witnesses. we need a whole lot more. once we have found 304050 witnesses
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we know we've been thorough. then even if there are 3 among them that aren't necessarily credible there are still $47.00 incriminating statements left. the next day alone is back in the hands in 2 weeks he is planning to travel to wonder with death. they need to gather more evidence to complete the 2 dossiers they've been working on. their struggle ever and. there's certainly a bit to let up so we can ever really know that we only could if people finally help just bring the truth to light. if that happened if we were given support and the archives were opened up to us so if the people who knew what really happened back then would talk then we could finally make some progress. on otherwise it's impossible. to weeks later at the airport in brussels shortly before
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the 25th anniversary of the genocide and of course on the trail of the suspects again we don't move around our way back to rwanda this time duffels ours with make we want to try to meet some witnesses i missed last time. we really hope we'll be able to talk to some survivors and perhaps even with some people who took part in the genocide. maybe they can help us with our 2 current cases you know so you don't need to do. in your wonder they set to work immediately throughout the years along and deafens i have travelled across the whole country they know nearly every town and most religious. today they are missing an informant who has uncovered new witnesses to
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survive this you know the suspect personally. we can't film their conversation the information discussed is confidential and highly sensitive. the meeting with the witnesses has to take place under strict secrecy. we have to be very careful. because perpetrators who have fled the country might still have relatives here in rwanda. they could threaten any witness willing to testify. these 2 witnesses are as it were surrounded by the perpetrators relatives . so we have to be very careful and respect their wish for utter discretion. just because you want what i speak. to an alan long journey and allow a rival the agreed meeting place. the witness is aware of the risk but she still
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wants to make a statement and assist a lawn death in they were. to get out. in the jungle because i want the truth to be known only. in the world to learn what happened in rwanda back then. i want the offenders to be punished for what they have done. they would take me. time to cross check the information do the names dates and places correspond who was seen where and when how reliable is the witnesses memory. the eye witness was able to confirm allegations against both suspects a lot and i have made a big step forward soon they will have enough material for an indictment in france . do you feel. today
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was a 1st step that will have to come back again or gold question next week remark be able to find out more from the group of survivors. reports that could confirm what we heard today. but 1st a lot and of course i went to visit a very special place. this is where the roots of their work lie in a district on the edge of kigali. here on these steps is where duffels us mother was shot dead in april 994 all because she was an ethnic tutsi. but i think it's important for us to know what happened here on the morning of april the 8. for all the people who were killed here who were murdered that morning . so do it it's important for the families of the victims. and for the survivors as well. let me be able.
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to have a mailman unlike many others who will never find out what happened to their loved ones who will never know where they were murdered or where their bodies were left we do have certainty in that respect we're lucky. here on this commemorative plaque. mother is listed. next to so many other victims. we didn't take up this fight just because we have victims in our own family. that's not why we keep struggling. and we want justice for all the victims all the more the renew the more not the same thing for everyone who died back then we
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serve justice. and that is why they quest continues. the next day they scheduled a very unusual meeting. and a law interviewing a man already tried and convicted for genocide he has spent the last 23 years behind bars people like him sometimes have particularly valuable information this time we're permitted to join the meeting and even name the interviewee best man in man and he explicitly asks us to despise his 3 life sentences he maintains that he has never ever killed anyone since it was in his mind to do if possible. i would like to ask people to accept us as brothers who were forced to kill by the political leadership. despite everything.
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to me that if the relatives of the victims nell disasters even a bit of pantry tism your city. then they should forgive us but. no but. it's a conversation that's hard for a large to bear. him simple must an absolute. although it isn't easy for me and it never will be i have to stay calm i know what i'm doing this for. coming here is the price we have to pay to get the information we need. i don't like coming here but it's necessary for our research. and for remembering the victims. the next stop is the kigali genocide memorial that same
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afternoon. that was the once to add a photograph of her mother to the wall one of the almost 1000000 victims in 994. despite all the harrowing memories def was our believes rwanda has a promising future. on no 400 who
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his head is wrong here don't want that we will never be able to bring back the dead . but rwanda has changed radically since 1994. 100 my think that's clear for anyone to see it isn't just the rwandan dream it's more like the rwandan miracle seeing what has happened in the last 25 years. yes i have to say i think it's close to america whatever cause. the remains of death has a mother had been missing for a long time. now her body has been laid to rest here in the memorial site along with 250000 others.
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the idea of the i don't think we'll ever be able to say our work here is done. but being here gives purpose to our fight for justice and the work of all who are fighting against those who committed or deny genocide because you know when we were here we know what we're fighting for. or for the.
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