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we've come to northern chile and the port city of. kut germany is here for the 1st time he's on a special mission one of his former teachers a priest is said to. cut she was abused by him as a child. it's a bit of a remote location i hadn't expected to hear from him often through. my ts was abused by 2 teachers while at the conies he was calling at jesuit high school in berlin for legal reasons we can only identify his abusers as r. and s. . over a period of decades the 2 priests abused many children their superiors ensured that everything was hushed up. in 2010 finally blew the whistle on the perpetrators since then both men have been seen in chile the gun. he asks if any germans are

living here. a man pointed to a nearby street. but the investigation stalled mathias kutch is taking matters into his own hands why does he feel he has to do this. not his legs off the rails is going to do it the church is doing nothing but i feel a certain sense of responsibility to people here in this that's a coon. his quest to track down his abusers began in january 28th and santiago de chile at the time the city with full because pope francis was in town while crowds celebrated the head of the catholic church. and nursed his anger against the institution. back in 2010 he was instrumental in uncovering abuse in germany's catholic church by

going public with what he had suffered. his actions empower dozens more abuse survivors to come forward but none of the cases was recent enough to prosecute the 2 priests. in 2015 the german broadcaster w d r reported on our for the 1st time its research showed that the priest had abused a female student in recent years and the diocese of hilda's time in 2010 she reported the crime herself to the diocese but the bishop in charge simply sent her home he did not inform her family or report the case to the authorities. are a scaped punishment how could that happen. the day after that report was broadcast here this time bishops hind's good to bombard a normal. tella gave a hastily scheduled press conference. it was to

a talk to the female student when she tried to report her case back in 2010 so why did he send her away. this meet in one of my african live after repeated questioning she said very clearly that he had given her a kiss on the cheek and that during previous visits he had given her hugs which she didn't like to. od it was very clear to me in this situation that what was being described to me was not a sexual assault. it's kind therefore i couldn't classify it as sexual abuse oh for munich. i used to. be. but by that time i was already known that this priest was at the center of the abuse scandal at the commuter school it. didn't sound alarm bells for you make you think there might be more to this.

sound alarm bells so signs of affection migraines on the cheek all that kind of cranking are pretty normal among young bristol today is this your 1st. before long the government commissioner for the sexual abuse of children your highness vilhelm like took on the case. he called on the diocese to appoint an independent expert to thoroughly investigate the case of paper are kept and i'm told by have the impression that there is still a tendency to try to protect the institution why withholding information and not laying the facts on the table and that is preventing transparency it was a transparency for him that. the diocese gave in and in the fall of 2017 the report was published by putting out a public appeal the investigation uncovered dozens more victims of peta are from

youth groups a kindergarden and even from far away. but the expert in charge of the investigation pit i'm also found all the cases had expired under the statute of limitations man comes from the judging by the pattern we see here and it's very probable that this is only the tip of the iceberg we can see a pattern in the church of looking the other way and being unwilling to recognise the full scale of the problem and guns knows most about some name and. people from guns from hats and i apologize with all my heart that i didn't recognise the perpetrators strategies to back them up and that i wasn't able to draw the right conclusions to protect the children. a blood. guards then tendered his resignation but it was rejected by his superiors so what next would he look for more victims of pay to our himself would he look into the

links with chile or seek to find out what paper i was doing today. months passed without any action in the end it was another who felt obligated to take up the cause mathias kutch. he was shocked to hear of the abuse cases in chile and he had a good idea of where he might find them. the fund that. is one of the largest charitable organizations in south america with projects in peru and bolivia . himself spent a year working here as a volunteer when he was 18 he's returned frequently and knows lots of people here. yeah. looks after children and provides them with an education.

many young people in chile find it hard to get work or job training here they can find both they can train as painters brick layers or office administrators. but let us cut has come to see the woman behind it all. that will got that worker sister catalina. she's a german missionary who has spent 50 years working and she's won numerous awards for her work and has twice received the german federal cross of merit. over the past decade 5000000 euros in private donations alone have flowed from germany to sister and crystal leaving. my. 1st met her when he was a high school student at the county's. visited

the school. for her project. was one of the teachers. adult friends. mainly with young boys. and gave them gifts like. dubbed the castle during his group exercises the boys would struggle with their feelings afterwards they would spend the night at the castle with the priest showed them pornographic magazines. type questionnaires asking them how. they had to go into his room. ask them about their dreams and urged

them to masturbate in his room. came to germany she talked about. the boy. she developed a friendship with. to come to germany and. spent time living with. what does she think about that now knowing what she. and is there still a link between the priest and her organization. can he said peter i know very diverse. and i came to chile to visit us one time had there been any flushed and i

could never have imagined that things like that could have happened to him. he certainly tried to be a good person through his efforts to help many many people who feel if you didn't mention i witnessed that myself as a fool and myself and all the time i can and i feel for he even used his own pension to pay for a child to be able to study. for young person a man a woman people who just went to him with their needs. if i start. with fear i know from the time that i was at school that he would give a gift to the boys that he was after the fishing to go back. on so obviously when i hear that he's been trying to be generous here when they get immediately arouses my suspicions that his generosity was all and being able to pursue his last assignment i can i will knock you and so could i thought i couldn't say that i know they

wouldn't leave none of the young people that i know and i know the moment that none of them could say that they became a victim at the front of all those who were there from the north or south some from bolivia to no one said anything at all cause i don't i don't have a single one it is the only one who was he still sending money. yeah he sends money here lives with our 2 or 3 young women that he got to know here and made an effort to help them live he still sends money for them if it's that and they should get right to him. i have to go. yes and yeah and this comes out of this is that my heart goes out to more and more of the people who have suffered. that is our top priority and. that you

think it. does every stitch me as it doesn't make sense to me to be honest this is exactly the problem this going although if you're too close to the perpetrator it's incredibly difficult to distance yourself from them and make a clean break to come down entirely on the side of the victim. that oprah through. it won't be his last conversation with sister. but 1st he wants to find the people who went from here to stay with petra are in germany. 2 of them were mentioned in the report on the hill. from now on. to film with a hidden camera. in an outlying district at santiago he begins to ask around. what exactly did peer to our do after leaving kenny's. he was forced to leave the

school in 1901 after his students wrote a complaint. they said his youth work was merely a and that in reality he was trying to control and influence their sexuality. but instead of going to the police his superiors in the church simply transferred him. first to the city of getting it they informed no one there about what he'd been doing and so once again paid to our was working with children he abused a 9 year old an 11 year old and a 14 year old the church dealt with the matter internally and transferred him again this time to heal this time it was now 1989 here are was appointed priest at a local church where he helped provide meals to the needy. it was during this time that he began inviting young people from chile to stay with him a number of girls spent several months at his house helping with household duties in 19031 mother from here reported that she believed the priest was harassing them

. she said the girls had told her he kept touching their breasts finally 4 years later transferred to work. 2 years after that he was moved from there to hanover. since 2003 he's been retired and living in. lynn. is hoping to speak to some of the women from chile who stayed with peta are one young woman agrees to meet him she's a new contact her name was not mentioned in the german investigation she spent a whole year living with pay to r. in hanover her sister also stayed with him and had a time she is mentioned in the hit disarm report but no one's been in contact with her. the family is part of sister catalinas parish.

when i was 12 or 13. you know aga he came to chile to visit carolyn a year on the mother and twice he took my sister to carolina's house and. she said he had touched her breasts. when he did it for a 2nd time that i witnessed it myself. just. given that i remember how worried my sister was about visiting him in germany if she didn't want to go to the news or when you went to germany was your sister why are you so you know yes she didn't want me to go to hanover because she knew i'd be alone with him. but i decided to go because i wanted to learn the language. i didn't want to stay with them but i wanted to learn nobody. in the open that.

right from the start he took away the key to my room. so i pushed the sofa in for the door but i was still afraid because i was alone and i knew what he was like. yes yes the only. way he rented an apartment in berlin. i didn't like going there because i had to sleep in the same room as him. but one time i woke up in the night and heard him making strange sounds in his bed he was masturbating. so good i didn't want to go back to berlin after that and when i did my chairs and my suitcase around my bed so that i would hear him if he approached me in the night. i mean that. today the priest is 77 and still living in that berlin apartment. there that he abused the young girl from he reported her case to church authorities in 2010.

that was the year the general public in germany heard about peta are because more than 40. students went public. the church responded saying all the cases had expired under the statute of limitations and it neglected to mention the young woman who had reported her case that same year nevertheless the abuse scandal made international news and reached. about suddenly in the newspaper and i read that he had abused many children. i told my brothers and sisters about it although not my parents as they knew nothing of what had happened. right at that time when the news came out. he suddenly turned up. to tell my parents anything about the scandal he just said he'd come for a holiday. and my brothers and sisters came and we demanded

a meeting with carolina. to force him to leave my house and to tell my parents what was happening. the media reports all kinds of things and acted like he done nothing wrong at all. and sister carolyn a defended him. then my brother told him to leave our house to carolyn i took him with her he's gone on you since. time. christmas last. i keep telling myself he should pay with a life sentence for what he's done. no one should suffer the way people suffered under him. as he feels should be sent to prison to pay. this idea that us he knows what he's done. is so what i don't understand is that he talked about god and being

a catholic but then did such evil thing was yes it is evil now he needs to pay i think about that time. at the end the young woman shows us a photo of her with good friends of peta are in here this time because no one stopped the priest the young girl next to her was also abused by him. that was the student who reported her case to the hideous time bishops in 2010. was the going to take him from having to fight back tears the whole time of the treason. about this dish it was the right thing to do and what i did was right. just would be painful to talk about it but there comes a point when you have to lay everything out on the table and then it's enough went . right this is how. they are going to focus on it from morning till night

but you just need to have it all out once and say this is what happened he's responsible and they looked the other way or cooperated or later covered it up. well done come on and then you can slowly start to close the box and save that sits on of all and then you can get on with your life and don't come of either of you. during our previous conversation sister catalina claimed she knew nothing of any abuse cases in cheating now we've heard a different story evidently sister carlina even took the priest into her home in 2010 at the height of the abuse scandal so what's the truth. wendy i'm told that if they had said anything that our daughters had problems i would have confronted peter and center home. but you did not do that in 2010 you

didn't send him home to give my house honestly a question i couldn't because i didn't know anything they said nothing that you knew from the press me for not really girls but in general. from the from the press and me much but i can't condemn someone based on accusations in the press. i knew pater liked to have hugs and kisses and crystal and gave out kisses him self which was a bit unusual that's a stand at last but a kiss here a kiss there. i'm christian and i can't tell you anything i didn't see anything seen or know anything could there be more abuse survivors who haven't said anything i think when i ask various ones i got nowhere else or i know what that's like it's not possible to an adult is good feeling for auntie there are some younger than many are known to have someone touches them in a wrong way they give them

a slab plus the next it to boost going to have to die if they touch their breasts or thought i'm close but when they try to kiss their eyes munch on. the months it of course sometimes it's problematic because sometimes with a person it can start to cooperate and go along with it and the and it got i thought and made an end of us menteith them about him then later they think that you crossed the boundary i thought he had me and then they start to feel partly guilty for it seems that they let it happen much whitty that's the hope that they allow the other person to do what he did and for didn't get moving again mustn't be special i understand the 2 girls had a terrible time in germany. it's just nice to meet a need yes for them as in that partly there and responsibility and it's respect shouldn't one sister warn the other and say don't do it was terrible for made at least so it's the family's responsibility naturally host or since the family's responsibility the throne and how are outsiders supposed to know that in the

morning daniel and then the man pays for your studies afterward it is given you carry on accepting the money that happens oh maybe they were afraid because peter paid the money through us visa basically had gotten their money here and the office desk 8 or does and that's probably doubly difficult because you accuse the man it was at the same time sending your money that month and then. on clock. so as soon as i get the chance i want to talk to the 2 of them and i won't come with any accusation that sinful well i'll just say how sorry i am they didn't have enough trust to say something back then i think the thought that one had they don't trust assad would have helped me a great deal i had said some play ok maybe i could have helped a greater fool but i really think i could have done with today if i'd have known i could have intervened level can. help the girls to have a really sort of yes of course as far as you can help and helpful kind of it is but

what is done is done i wouldn't know how to help the families have to word 5000000 i really wouldn't this definition does this worry your thoughts. but it hurts me that they didn't trust me enough to say anything it would be this this is nick that's my this but only. because this was a gift they could have given me went from me to trust me and they knew me. that steam never the less in life we live for it's one and i want to include others and to move on to victory again on earth and it would really be my desire for the 2 of them that they can get free of this and really and i'm ready to talk to them with all the love that i'm capable of god's help so right that's my hope for both of them and the thing that we would be able to talk.

english to get she wants to believe wish that and i can understand that that her colleagues and friends are innocent of these things will surely thin in the limit. on the other side so she'd rather focus on and believe everything that appears to speak for them than to just believe the simple statements of the victims he simply also helpful either to the associate relativize or plays down the 6 excuses or explanations so fin. obviously it's a bitter experience for me even

a bit it's nothing new in fact it was a recurring pattern that it was i thought how does more not a little bit recently i now have my doubts as regards the safety of the children and young people here today when i go about the got very much that is the greater realize asian. which is better or so for all the friends a sister carolyn and her world you know the all that and all that it will provoke a response that says. that's how can we prevent this kind of suffering from occurring again. and the institution is an initiative service foundation even. and how can we distance ourselves clearly from these perpetrators in the past and stuff like a distance feel. the abusive priest had access to children and young people for more than 40 years he was unwilling to speak to us on camera but back in 2015 he did agree to be interviewed at his berlin apartment. he said he only asked the conies year students to masturbate in his room so that he wouldn't have to report

them to the school director. as for the girls he said he never gave them anything more than a kiss on the cheek. from his point of view he has no criminal. meanwhile . mission is not over yet now he's arrived in northern chile. has been here before too. he visited the other implicated priest from germany in s. he said to be living in today. the 2 of them 1st met his high school students in the 1950 s. then in the seventy's they worked as teachers at the berlin.

it was here that they met sister. but there's something else that peta r. and vulcan as have in common a large group of former students say they were abused by both teachers while at the community. and mathias kutch one of them. stripped the children naked and beat them for hours after his deeds came to light he too was transferred 1st of all to hamburg.

he had. kept. oh brother monos is one of the most successful sports clubs in chile athletes from here had even made it to the olympics to. get a nanya says now the coach of the club he heard about the 2010 scandal surrounding votes going yes in germany so how does the coach see the club founder today.

in only money or see live in germany there were accusations against him but all i can say is the only thing he left behind here in a record was a great sense of. well there are many people here who to this day continue to speak about some with affection but if you go to no nothing like that happened that the no he didn't do anything like that we mourn him and we didn't see anything else he worked and that was it my question is if these documents exist the north exactly is ations weissenstein person. that my ts cut speaks with a woman on the phone who has a very different view. a little along my feels. she met both of us gun s. and pay to our at trot them windows. they were known aspired to davao she and padre pedro. she went to stay with peter are in here does what you want but is she

willing to talk to mathias kutch about it perfect last ace. on and with a 6 o'clock here who talks good very good. by evening our contact had changed her mind she didn't want to speak in a public place but rather at home in her own apartment she too has heard nothing from here this time she's received no compensation or offer of counseling. can you tell us how you got to know the pay to her and already appear that all 3. yeah but when i was little i went to throw tomatoes together with my family because it was linked to the church. wanted me from media to say hey you're busy. then vavi came to visit us and we really trusted him the thing you know to confess that we felt very privileged to be close to

a priest. again over to me or going to therapy we got to know petra while he was here on holiday with my sister and me the opportunity to come to germany for learning purposes we had arguments he felt that we were intelligent somehow. and that we could achieve more and have great opportunities but when you're in a movie and had you experienced anything with alfie at that time wolfy commuter. there was a very disturbing situation with my sister about those 1st he left it up. yes and then he had her more than once on her. and she felt terrible she says she's never been able to wear a skirt again to this day simple smacking was something he always did to the boys at the clock not to go to the bus that was very rare. for pussy look in look at how come you've never spoken about this in all these years. because it's shameful.

but there was something else she struggled with too in here this time there were appeals for donations to sister kathy encouraged to even pay to are used photos of his young guests from chilling to raise funds for the foundation. for. it was terrible to see the photos of myself with the rug and things. because it obviously provoked an emotional response causing people to want to help . us here now right here. and that we are you. and that is tough for a child but. it wasn't the padre we knew from chile where we thought he's helping us out whether that means fallen terribly i hope or so you said that when you 1st got to know very little of it or something happened that should never have happened

but the video of it. i've yeah there was something that immediately bothered me see and that was his hocks service. he would have been under the arms but he put his hands on me yeah he put his hands on my my no i am me and my breasts. me fact. he has this affected your life. see yes you're going to see and again i sense that someone is attracted to me sexually just for his completely. like something that's beyond my control. make my body feels livable and i seem to go into a state of shock i would give up my my you have a look at your borman excited look at me it's really difficult to get psychological

help here in chile. this would be it's complicated because it's very expensive. to do normally lot number that your name was mentioned in the helders time reports along with a number of others and. to this day no one's trying to contact you as part of the investigation. that is there is to go still someone like a muslim in. west of americans. what does it matter if it's one child more or less from here he here when i heard about it i thought of course the up as a german children people are more likely to listen to them be. the ones from care or maybe not so important i'm here it's the parents' responsibility. they're the ones who sent us there. but amok and then suddenly an earthquake puts an end to our conversation with.

the god. has not yet finished and. he now knows that both his former teachers were responsible for bringing young people from here to germany but what it doesn't yet know for sure is whether vaska s. who is now 73 years old is still living here today and if so what he's doing. he goes to the santa cruz church where the former jesuit priest used to be in charge he wants to meet with his successor and warn him that he wants to speak to me alone . the 2 of them talk for 3 hours mathias catch tells the priest about his own experience and as used to strip him naked and beat him for hours he talks about his other classmates and how the scandal came out in 2010. he speaks about the abuse

survivors here and are eager to the priest said he had no idea of the scale of the problem he says he'll appeal for others in his parish to come forward with what they know and he gives mathias kutch as his current address. it seems to be the case here in a recurve that everyone who heard about the abuse scandal in 2010 really believes it was just slander and that nothing actually happened. but we should mention just of the bad people in germany who came up with an idea to harm their part and so they just dismissed it but they say he's still here and still in contact with the church members that are involved in the running club in my name if they don't be. the it's and that's true overall though he said to live quite a secluded life it's. no longer makes public appearances in the way that he used to when he showed up at the others. but that's all i see here off the top this comes

about i thought about going to see his. yard knock a doctor yes i thought about is that bad to be honest i don't want that kind of confrontation the whole thing would take a psychological. other people always want that kind of freedom some kind of reconciliation or whatever but that's not me i don't think that's important we talked far too much about the perpetrators and not enough about their victims really for them. in september 28th the german bishops conference published a new study on child abuse in the catholic church in germany. it found at least 3600 children fell victim to abuse between 19462014. cardinal i know hard marks apologized to those who suffered abuse.

i feel ashamed when i see how so many just look the other way who didn't want to accept what was happening and played it down. who didn't want to see or hear and i include myself in that. we didn't listen enough to the victims all this cannot remain without consequences for those who have suffered have a right to justice. the vatican itself has since held its 1st summit aimed at tackling the global problem of sexual abuse by catholic clergy but what about the diocese of his time auxiliary bishop hines good to bungle it wasn't willing to speak on camera he wrote to us that despite what he called intensive research by the vatican embassy in chile it had not been possible to make contact with any abuse survivors there. but he said the hideous crime cases would be included in an internal church tribunals looking into the case against peter are the maximum punishment would be dismissal from the priesthood.

our time in chile is coming to an end it's our final evening in america. has managed to find the young women named in the hill discovery forge and by talking to their sisters he's identified 2 more previously unknown victims of peter or he will now pass on their names to the hill diocese in the hope that they can receive compensation and professional help. it felt like the mission was over but then early the next morning. change of heart. before. the red one.

looking for a german man. you know his house is back there on. the out they must i don't really need to go there i've seen it now i know where it is and that's enough. but i just wanted to know where he is and that's ok it's not about him. i mean if you found it's what you want good and i feel good relieved exactly lighter than before yes that life's too nice to have. after mathias catch left we tried to speak to was going as ourselves but he didn't answer the door.

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