subscribe to the documentary. what secrets lie behind these memos. find it most of experience and extend past an even cultural heritage sites. d.w. world heritage 360 defeat. germany some great danger muslims are spread to islamization of something which is dangerous for germany's far right of possession party b a s d takes its place in a new and expanded populist group in the european parliament but it faces serious pressure not least accusations by some quarters that has contributed to the atmosphere of hate in which a senior german politician was murdered last month my guest this week here in

berlin is back after expunge thought i had of the a.f. to use parliamentary faction that's you know except that her party needs to tone down some of its highly controversial rhetoric. they are welcome to convert so. the new european parliament is in session you are going because you've got 11 percent of the vote in germany you're going there in greater numbers but not in the numbers that you hoped for why not. well i think it was the the election came out as a huge success we have been there in the last in the end with one i mean pay now we're sending $11.00 and over all the whole campaign was of course not easy for us which are 2 percent down from the federal elections where we actually what we had nationally you know 2 percent ok and what we have to take into account is that the

companion of course what money is it was an international can paint in favor of you make climate change and then the austrian video from strahan came up so it was really a very tough fight for us the scandal that we're down the u.s. government so this has been put into account and for the alexander government was talking last year about 20 percent was in the survey shows between 70 and 20 percent of the f.t.c. is well over 20 percent and you've got 11 yeah so as i said one has to take into account that the campaign was not easy and so in the end we ended up with 11 every piece there and i think we have part of it over of a bigger group to a 9 points behind the greens who were on 20.5 percent they were the big winners here in germany with that and it's hard for you to compete with them because many germans see them as coalition material they don't see us coalition to the world this is this is this is the campaign where we're facing at the very moment this is

true and you want to talk about climate change and this is not our main issue we're picking up on that. the 90000000 i'll xander girl and you'll co-leaders as the greens will destroy the country and our job must and will be to fight them this is pretty apocalyptic terms of the of the politicos coming from the greens they are saying we are gonna die some something more years if you do not you know stop any imitate c o 2 and i think this is they are trying to make everyone being in panic they are language of this holy center greatest i want to get the people and panic and i think we're the ones to to put facts again you don't really only thing we. i'm not going into that panel talk we'll talk about different kind of publicly later but around 46 percent of those polled in germany so that they wish to see an alliance between the cd even the greens and that means if that goes ahead an open literalistic society protecting minorities as opposed to close the border party

like you telling people to cover their heads who can't well of it if this will end up like a law in this pretty possible that the christian democrats are going together with the greens or even with the far left and i think this is this maybe but we think this is a problem within the country and they hold your opinion here but if it comes to germany we talk about germany is moving towards into a completely wrong direction we want to stop it and we will have elections regional erect elections by the beginning of september in sex and the and in brandenburg and we will see how that will end up because it might be the necessary of the christian democratic party to choose whether they want to go with a little far left so the former communist party the s.c.d. from from g.r. or with with us and them and this is what we have we have to to think about and i think this is why they are panicking so what they don't seem to be much doubt that you would do well in the east but pre-entry you now actually is that the majority of germans simply don't want to live in the kind of country you in visit do well

this is this is this is a country where the majority if i could just say the same question almost 60 percent still view immigrants as a strength rather than a burden and you want my group refugee numbers severely limited because you feel your culture is threatened this is true 81 percent think membership of the e.u. is a good thing that was in october last year when they don't so and you are threatening to leave if you don't get the reforms you want whatever that means well we're we're having different positions on different opinions so it's something like 40 percent of the germans think islam does not belong to germany so this is also supported not by a majority but by a very strong mind. already and this voice in a democracy has to be represented as well and if it comes to islam when it comes to migration when it comes to the ever closer european union when it comes to your rescue packages to to save the euro all these all these items all these issues have to be covered from both sides we've got

a huge overall coalition of all the other parties who are going towards ever closer union when it comes to the european union want to rescue the euro both german taxpayers money who want to take in why koreans who think israel you want to lean on and you're going to pull the country out of the euro and all of those all those all those issues when it comes to that we're having a different opinion this is true and it's 83 percent of children support the euro you will pull the country know and there are others who don't and this is in the in a democracy it was ours it wasn't it's never that it's 100 percent agree it's not 100 percent agree for breath or for not breck said it's more 5050 and why was the migration issue is pretty much all you have isn't it you know you're a one trick pony and i'm going to doubted you would and we're not going for i mean this was the speech years ago when we found at the party and now we are because then we were on the year rescue policy the only issue then we have a general program with all the details i was speaking about about your opinion your

rescue that was on the government admitted it's not so good last year he said i think the government's welcome policy for refugees was the main reason for our success but it was the only reason for your success was and no we this is this is not true what you said was untrue it is it is not true that this is the only success it is true that there was a momentum into a bow and 15 the former head of our secret service mr marson just today or yesterday in the built side and said he didn't join the christian democratic party to take in 1800000 arabic people into germany this is what he said he's from the c.d.u. and i think this is a very this is a very important point because this started all in 2015 and of. of course in 2015 when marco close didn't close the borders open in whatever way take it but let in all those people into our country and this was of course a moment when a lot of people the very unsatisfied that there is with the politics and i didn't they they did want to have a change on that point and this is such

a way off was that there was supporting us but that's not the only reason for us to just supporting the point i made which is basically that this is your one policy last summer it became pretty clear in interviews that your coley the alexander government gave that you really don't have policies on many issues affecting ordinary people there were no policies on germany's retirement system he said we have no determined concept no policy on digitalisation particularly important with young people he said that has not been voted on in our party programme no policy on how to protect local renters from big international holiday companies big topic here in berlin. it is your it is your one topic isn't it migration that's it no it's not. you oppose your party's grievances and shit you actually have very little to propose but you seem to offer purses few alternatives for a party that's called alternative for germany i think you have a probably have you're just not aware of it i don't blame you for that you have not

gone through our program you're just picking up on some you know mainstream wording which is up in the air but if you prepare for an interview like this you should maybe go through our program and then realize we have got an overall problem program which is basically having solutions for different kinds of issues for almost all the issues so the political signs to sue said that you have little in the way policies around political scientists that kill university for instance yes sums it up when he said people are just concerned about immigration or crime or security also concern about pensions and climate change legislation and you know if the leaders have nothing no you know we have a we're trusting 1st problems 1st it is true that we have not served the end of the . pension problem we are facing but we're making one point we're saying this problem is ongoing for decades already we know already that this problem is

a severe one and has to be self but 1st thing we have to address is who is responsible for that and this has been all the other parties mainly social democrats and christian democrats because they knew already 2 generations again that this system is about to break apart and we're addressing it we're having a debate in the party at the very moment we're taking it very serious we're taking our time and we'll come up with something but we don't you know we want just not react on the attacking us for not being able to solve the problems which has been caused by all the other parties within the last 50 years or more that we're not having a solution for all the disaster they have put into our country i think this has to be honest this is this is this is a debate we will not take i wanted to. good look at your party's rhetoric because it seems carefully calculated to make people terrified of muslims and angry at the government for letting so many in in one of your political manifesto that says if the views islam is a great threat to our state our society and our values due to it spreading and the

steadily growing number of muslims go on repeating this and you might as well paint a target on their bad moments you know we we're thinking islam is a fan of our culture is something which is dangerous for our culture and we don't want that we will have a debate you can be different opinion you can think islam is ation of our culture is good we think it's bad and you take the no responsibility for the fact that in 2015 alone with your warnings about rampaging muslims going viral across the internet that there were some 1000 attacks on refugee shelters in germany 5 times the number reported i don't know anyway the way they have numbers for but then stay a problem isn't the problem is that we have we've got rising and jumping numbers of criminal rates within those those in the within hours into attacks on the few jews shelters you get this is really we draw any 2 years over that yes we do yes we can a lot of them we condemning all of violence in every in every area in general

no not in particular in particular every single one but it's not hard to work out what you go beyond saying muslims are equal threat was an equal threat over and over again in that not all muslim log some people are going to react badly and some people do turn violent ugly we want to keep the german in germination they don't even the european union but we're talking about germany here we don't want to have that a muslim country we accept muslims there are a lot of muslims who are well integrated into our society who take place no problem everything's fine but what we do not want to accept is that islam is starting to have an impact on our social life and our public life on our you know. i was wrong you're not addressing the point. i wanted to make a about this idea that muslims are a threat to germany. muslims are spread to juice this is for example something what we're we're getting from the jewish community the jewish community isn't working on a new world. which doesn't make

a difference to you on the numbers when we know about the attacks on of muslims on jews we know that the if you don't talk to the political officials but if you talk to the members of the jewish community for example then you realize that they have that the threat for them of being. of been attacked by anti-semitic attacks well it didn't prevent the israeli ambassador here saying he has nothing to do with your party because you've said so many of so much less than he said about jews the holocaust and israel yet this over and over again no no no i was going to wait for you don't you get away from them and the day will come on to perhaps why you feel the need to do that but last month germany's intelligence services warned that right wing violence has risen sharply here 48 acts of extreme violence registered in 2018 and 28 the year before. in this atmosphere in this field doesn't it behoves politicians to tone down their rhetoric and is that

something you intend to do in the party this is this is true for edwards one out of don't think what we see we have just had the debate in the german bundestag and it has been these public figures to say that the attacks on people and politicians and politicians overall it's by the but we are outnumbering the attacks by everyone so would which means there are far more incidents happening to us then to every other member of any other party so we're the ones to being physically attacked we need pollutant actually most recently all people got murdered last month and look no further than the murder of volta lu. was known for his pro migron views and was shot by a right wing extremist what does your party do turn around and blame the government for that no this is just not true either martin hogan said if not for the illegal opening of the borders with young controlled continual mass arrival of my migrants

look i would still be alone i don't mean the government i don't know what my you know much that i can tell you what the board of the if tea party said and what the board of the safety group in the parliament said so you are just so sorry for yourself from those remarks to absolutely i mean we have made a very clear statement on that even in the debate was taking place this is ridiculous and we are the ones to say we have to address the problem of course but we have to address this to all of a society what has happened there is the i don't even find the words in english to say that that's an acceptable it was a blame murder did you also dissociate yourself from involved can get you another of your people whose is one of the when we look at this a little actually when we look at this politically he said that we have to say quite clearly in comparison with islamists extreme leftist the extreme right terrorism seen in germany is just a bird dropping like having people in the field with a cold blooded murder this is this this this guy is facing. a legal process

within the party we want to get him out of the party who does not belong to the party but we have to go through a legal process and this has been taken up by the head of the. by the board of the a.f.p. and by the board of the brandenburg branch of the if he say your opponent here this is right this is absolute intact the next after what he said but this is one of the guys so one triangle in your party chair you do with trying to get to get rid of him don't show control the people in your party will do what we can we can't control people speaking because we can't you know fix their masses but we can try to get them out of the party and this is what it's ongoing. but. i'm too ashamed of the attitudes and comments like that and this is why we want to get rid of those people this is why i want to get rid of those legal there's a long history of tendentious things one says when you know in your party there's a sort of casual racism about a lot of things that are said in your party you know. if you can if it comes to certain to certain people and we're trying to getting rid of them so we can't be

addressed at that at this this is a very very valid somewhere load you know trying to get rid of him and he's made some casual racist comments. you talk injured only biggest opposition party in the in the bundestag me being bored of that party which an argument which means work which means that you cannot focus on one or 2 sentences made by by it's about time people it's a long pattern isn't it we're we're having we make comments and all these are all these arguments and i think i think if you try to and this is what are you doing i mean we've got a 25 minutes interview and you're talking about we're talking about 3 people or 4 people and this is i think it's just not you're not realizing what the party is all about we're about to be the number one in the east of germany and the people support because the people want to have a different approach to politics they want to have a change in politics to put it that way maybe that's that's better realization i'm going to talk about these things we talk about how they're out because they're

barassi but your people shouldn't be saying them and if you're about right a letter should i say i just said it i just said it we can repeated and repeated over again but it doesn't make the point clearer i just said want to get rid of. those of us who are making those remarks at a very general who put out your fake news for you and me in may this year your party claimed in the facebook post that 1400000 asylum seekers were waiting for their tickets to germany and the government wanted to impose a duty of integration on german citizens this is the quote 1400000 are waiting for their ticket to join. and we should pay for the question. that's once and too big because it's more it's less where it is 1400000 in official numbers being i mean i'm not about 1400000 i don't know whom you're quoting there so i don't take that into into my words and but what we know is that there. a lot more people in africa willing to go to the north which is there which of course is make sense because

they proposed a better life here and so it makes sense for them to come over and the only point we make is we can't take any more people in because we've taken too many already and we don't want to do we will not we'll not be able to solve the problems of the world of the territory of germany this is not we are not facing we cannot face your problems with a very broad brush the world suggesting that we're equally apply all 1000000 to post the posting by your party distorts the u.s. figure of $1400000.00 refugees who've been designated as especially vulnerable and without a single supporting fact claims that they're becoming to germany there's no basis for them coming to germany at all well well a lot a lot more of it is simply false and i don't think the full i think the numbers too small and i think when you when you go and do you take the numbers from how many people off from africa would like to go and move towards europe and then probably to maybe a lot of them to germany the numbers probably are even bigger the point the political

point we're making is we want to have people in the world but we think we are not able to to fight civil war and war and poverty and whatever diseases in the world by taking the people of those areas into into germany i think this is the way we are not able to solve the problems we want to address it properly we want to help we want to support poor countries and this is not the question you want to make people right and that the hordes of just about to break down will barriers and yet forced their way i think this is a very important point we want to have pulling is no evidence for that at all now we want we want no evidence of. we want to have the people in the world know that they have a it makes no sense to move over to germany because they are not able to come in i think this is what life if we send out the political signal that all those millions people are not starting to move to the north and to germany so because we are able to take them all in and what we see in the mediterranean as much as possible press

the fear but germany is in great danger germany some great danger yes if we take in more millions and in great danger we already know as the sun as i can but keep saying there's no sign of millions more coming to germany where they came over a 1000000 already it's a minute so you need no sleep spreading fear around the country now i don't know whether you're not aware of the figures and we're still taking in $15000.00 per month and then more to germany has committed 210000 in 2018 and it was 15 hours and maybe it's now 101215000 every single month and so this ends up right like $120.00 in a year but if you if you do not start the if you do not send out the political signal that this is not all over we cannot handle it we cannot handle it all the numbers who were here at the moment it's already too much i don't know whether you're aware of all the the criminal rates of all the of all the you know problems you're facing within a security we don't want that and as

a political party we say we just don't want to really don't want to be forced into changing our new leader culture really what we do not want let's just go back to europe and the new political landscape after the european elections e.f.t. is joining me is identity and democracy group which is going to be the 5th largest group in the european parliament not the 3rd largest which is what you're aiming for your party promises to be a thorn in the flesh of the stuff what does that mean she's going to block and disrupt and create trouble now what we're trying to get out is the message that we're in favor of the. european union and it has been set up by the founding fathers of the european union we're against the ever closer union we want to keep this of the serenity of the nation states what we think is that democracy only functions within a nation state and we want to work together where it is necessary to do so but we

do not want to be clear to move towards ever closer union we have got is divided amongst itself on its position oh absolutely not well there are but i guess you're coming up with a with some quote from some facebook site from someone who is probably not member no i have no desire to go along warning in one of your meetings before the election but whoever toys with the idea of a deck's it a german exit from the e.u. also needs to ask themselves if this is not a utopia it was just the people in your party so there's a division in your hand as people who want to leave people who want to stay he's telling the religious don't we have a very clear it's a very clear point what we need is deep reforms on the institutions are on the european union this is what we need and if we are not many if we are not able to fulfill those those reforms we don't get those reforms then there might be some day the idea to leave but what we are trying to do is trying and fight for the reforms

and the reform means that we want to have sovereignty right back to the nation states we what we are clearly opposing the european army we are against european taxes overruling minorities within the european council for example and this is what we have a very very clear point if we are not managing to keep this if we don't stop the european union to coming up with the european taxes and with that with their ever ever more banking union and all those kinds of things then there might be the day when we have to leave iraq we're trying to to prevent from falling for you also against campaign finance rules and. is that your party has been silent 402000 euro's by the buddhist dogs administrative committee is it 2 of your kind as it's up to 3 advertising which constituted illegal campaign funds we're going against that on a legal basis at the very moment and this is this is very open what is true is that the bundestag has put up millions of peace and for illegal pot party financing and

money well you know there is only about parity exists on the other you already have your that's full of your actions we're going to remember it denying any wrongdoing ever finding new avenues to investigate we're a good o'reilly whose office is in dusseldorf work they did last week but more ok now it's up to me ok we're going against it legally so we have our like there are lawyers on that to go against it this is the case but it's not the case is that and all the other parties are going against it at the very moment they have been put up like this i think with some like 3000000 euros for their freedom a credit party because they have illegal take money from the parliament for for their work so this has been judged already and no one is talking about is the again i do not neglect that the is trying to do so but we're going against it we have not yet the result ironically you're the ones who promised to put public funding of political parties a new legal base of swimming and it's your funding that's in the spotlight

continually and has been for months now when you can actually be don't do it why should people believe your version because because i'm just saying we're going against legally we're not yet there the result is not yet out this is the but you can repeat the question i want to put answer. boring but we're going to. go to very much for being sure of it so.

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