my father taught me how to ask uncomfortable questions about my country and about. that describes i keep going to dissipate my name's bad and i work at the. government has already shell the bill that will be and it will not come back to washington every amnesty for the rest. isn't that the russian a rule of law he said you're going to give me time to actually move let me finish this is a heated discussion i don't know if this is if you need to go to give me a chance to answer my question of plenty of time what you said i'll interrupt and then i can answer weeks of mass protests in hong kong show no sign of coming to an end but how long will break you doing put up with it my guest this week here in the city is running tong a member of the hong kong government's cabinet i was senior advisor to its chief

executive kerry through the authorized use now except that the new extradition law which provoked the crisis should be scrapped now i wish for good. welcomes conference on. 2000000 people on the streets of hong kong. failures by the hong kong government admitted by the chief executive kerry lamb why is she still there why hasn't she was designed well i think this is a more complex question than simply asking why did she not resign 1st of all someone said also her attitude someone fails in there well not go no i don't want to argue about a figure but a more accurate figure would be more like half a 1000000. but even then it's a very very large number of people on the street and i think the government accepted the 2nd thing is that we must understand what the government has been

trying to do. a poll by one of the more mainstream newspapers of the people would turn out in force to march on sunday revealed that 90 percent of the people who much thought that the extradition bill was so enable the hong kong government to send people back to china for trial for criticizing beijing now they couldn't be more wrong i mean if you'd actually extradition to the states this extradition bill yeah i guess is that about extraditing people who committed a crime across the border or outside the border of on call comes to hong kong and we need to have a legal framework to see how we would deal with i want to get a sense that that is only there want to get into that deal has got nothing to do with any of the freedoms or core values of the people in hong kong why it's so why if that is so why should the chief they say either resign because she hasn't any

intention deficiences in the work of the government and you tell me which government leaders in the world have not made mistakes this isn't these are huge missile insanity is a huge mistake look you know i know we had we not as i say i'm not there's not a champion of the liberal party saying that you should resign as well clearly that it's got nothing to do with the call that it was our freedoms of the people. of on kong now the government has not done expect the nation following enough true that is because of the fact that we need to deal with a particular criminal who is about to be released very soon and that basically. impact to the period of consultation now that is not ideal i accept but this is not the sort of thing that you say that because it's a huge mistake therefore the chivas like them ought to resign but so what are we to resign maybe i ought to resign why why is it why don't you really want it in failure then no i'm not i'm not one i'm not admitting i am guilty of and she did

kind of phasey admit it deficiencies in the work of the government i personally have to shoulder much of the responsibility she said i'm sorry says that to you says and anxieties in society i'm sorry i mean you are being unfair really i mean quoting her is that unfair no you're being a little unfair about that she is basically saying that she has not done the consultation farley enough that is not something that any government would take the blame or say the whole government or the leader or the prime minister who ever should resign and i say which government leader in the world have not made mistakes for us to talk now you let me push an extradition here i want to follow up on what you said ok about the extradition is really a chance to answer your question i did i gave you the sense then you have to reserve your me not into the of you i give you plenty of time but you're pushed and you extradition bill that was widely seen as an attempt to remove one of the key

legal safeguarding of hong kong's way of life i know you do i know you scoffed at all objections from foreign i know has done some of the most respected legal if you do should have put it here found innocent nationally putting everyone fairly the prison bill sorry the present statue i do where you've read it and i probably have not because have you read it you probably. i wouldn't have put the question the way you did the present law was enacted not by the sail government but by the british colonial government before they hand over which are getting elements not talking about the end of the statue i'm talking about the amendment and so you know i'm talking about the statue you must read the statue right to understand what it's going not if you haven't even read it you don't understand it and you don't qualify to produce a you say let me just finish i have not finished you say you're going to give me time resolute let me finish right ok the statue or the nectar by the british colonial government it follow very closely the resolution of the united nations in

1900 are you saying that the united nation was suggesting that whole culture do something which is contrary to human rights and core values and freedoms that is of course not true now come to the amendment what the amendment did was not to change the legal framework all it purports to do is to extend the applicability of the statue to china and the rest of the world but start a lot of people aren't buying that you're hot on car association what you want obviously not bang on bar association as far as facts are not talk about opinion or i talk about opinion a lot of talk a very respected organizations mr tyler is i don't doubt a virus so seriously the hong kong law society the law society of england and wales the international bar associations human rights institute fair trials the defense extradition lawyers forum amnesty international human rights watch to speak of

hours of representatives all of them challenge the suggestion by your chief executive that the amendments you want to make to the hong kong extradition laws are in accordance with international human right is they also shall upset it is if you had only only one who sees the truth know what they're going to anyone who sees the light paralysed correct yeah from a rule of law point of view you would think no one let alone lawyers would object to the cement exact that's what you said as i say it follows what you know total holydays know nothing if you're the only one who sees the light falls on the united nations provided each member state to do. and we are falling to a precise jeem as the us or g m c u k regime canadian a g m australia dream and nobody is making any comment about those countries i don't understand that i and i understand said mr to who think that the judiciary in hong kong is not up to its work its name has to do it's not my opinion the opinion of your own you've got

to look at the 1st hanukkah song one association is putting a travesty of the facts to me so the hunk of our 2 association is putting a travesty of the high things that are not looking at the law they're not looking at these and the lawyers have got it wrong. it's capable of doing a proper job of keeping you safe you say to these and any decision that is made by the chief executive is subject to confirmation by the homeowner who you can completely rough across a rail and want to say what is wrong about the world because your labor fangio propose your man of action now you can do it on a show proposed again a lot of and sell criminal suspects can be extradited without confirmation by the hong kong courts. can i say you know can i ask you a question yeah you got all the facts wrong what facts are or one fact is if you look at the statute you know that the chief executive has no power to order extradition it's clearly spelled out in the statute for one thing secondly ordered

the chief executive can do is to refuse extradition the other side would refuse exactly that under final decision is with refuse that's the final decision or he can't she can't he or she can only refuse a condition he or she cannot alter tradition the only institution which can order extradition is to courts mr tung that the your and bar association points out that the magistrate of parliament i don't understand and asked chairman so not only does a land the magistrate go find the handmaid say that's not how about your reception and who did not agree with this the magistrate are how can i get the question or the magistrate in hong kong says the bar association does not have the jurisdiction to inquire into the quality of justice that the future may go enjoy wrong once surrounded why am i going run so we don't want the. wrong really you are only talking about the committal process yes the law has got 2 processes one is the

committal process the other it's about save guarding and the protection of human rights and fair trial which is being provided in section 5 of the statue as the u.k. law society pointed out in so far as the proposals would introduce any human rights examinations at all they are vested in hong kong's chief executive none of those around or a peer really is wrong it's wrong so the u.k. law society goes wrong please pick up the skirt you have to look before you come to me and ask me questions. you're absolutely right that the judges and magistrates of hong kong wouldn't dream of currying favor with beijing they leave that to people like you. you want to curry favor with wholly unfair it is not only unfair to me but this is really extremely unfair to the judges and judges are there to carry out the law if they can't carry out the law they have no business being judges all

right i have no power whatsoever i mean they're not vital to the government i have no power because even the chief executive post so has no power conferred by the law i keep telling and i haven't said it starfish and they are enough times for you have to look at the law to understand what are the facts if you don't lose out an organization. a lot of people would say yes yes because their opinions matter no i don't think so the facts matter i'm sorry facts matter society here at home you know he does do not have none of the best none of these everything is a matter of history of the facts and the u.k. law society who writes that the proposals in the extradition bill fundamentally imperil the operation of the rule in hong kong rule of law in oregon they've got it wrong as well you know i think you can understand why why why do they think it will imperil the rule of law and on kong if all that it is happening is that the task of scrutinizing any requests for extradition is to be considered by the judge as mr

someone you're not well not isness of going to say a trial is available in the mainland what kind of fair trial well fair trial what the government has proposed is to ensure that they would be open trial defense and would be a little touch on the mainland yes open to when do they have open trials on the mainland are you are you letting me answer the question on you know. priest owns or up that's very very and polite all right and there have been this is a heated discussion the no no it isn't it isn't it this is going to give me a chance to answer my question. of time but you know interrupting then i can answer i'm telling you that the government is proposing to ensure that there will be assurances of open trial this defendant would have the choice of his own lawyer the trial has to be proceeded on the basis that it will be in the language which he understands there would be visitation rights or all these the minimum guarantees of article 14 of the i.c.c. p.r.

do you know what is' is to be are is international covenant of civil and political rights is a charter for human rights the government is saying that mr john i was not ratified i'm not with china i'm talking about hong kong because the gay keep it as in hong kong but i'm talking about as one can if they are all you not going to try and offer a different sort of about kind of fair trial that define turning can expect in the mainland turn on the mainland if there is no guarantee that there will be the minimal requirements of article 14 of i.c.c. b.-o. it is written in the law there then the court has no business or ordering a extradition even if a court were to order next edition the chief executive would veto it because as i keep repeating the telling you that the chivas say it has no power to order extradition but has power to veto an order for extradition are you following that unlikely the chief executive is unlike once again to our request from china based on what fact you say those are like she's an appointee of china so isn't she so she

got to stand up to china suddenly and saying this is not go through lease on what basis do you say that she would not do that based on human rights record in china as a civil and she did have a right said shyly for that alternative for years ago to china has she however or the initial decision of any sense of it to china as she you're told me will you tell me i don't know you know i don't mean a day that has not been a single occasion that that happened we're talking about when it does happen notice i'm not going to talk about with your style or prevent sound from doing song did you read the you. latest human rights reports about what happens in italy u.k. report in 2011 i'm asking about the human rights a real u.k. report 2011 i must go by you ladies we've got one right as you point commission says that it is paramount that you should respect each member states on judicial system even where those civil and political rights don't you know do you know in china no the continuing to gentian a child of human rights so i also want to say as i'm telling you both in the u.n.

resolution and in the u.k. report in 2011 made it very clearly that protection of human rights and extradition are not mutually exclusive that is why that you've got to frame your legal regime in the way that hong kong is doing to ensure and the gay keeping is in the local judiciary not anywhere else in the world to ensure that any suspect any of fender would be entitled to fair trial and protection of human rights when the extradition is being carried out that is the way in which all extradition arrangements mr truck . is being carried out the well over such an old country is different mr tung what expectation can there be of a fair trial in china when civil and political rights according to the latest british human rights and democracy report i don't want is our fencing rights

continue to be eroded can i just read what they said the continuing detention and trials of human rights lawyers and defenders lack of due process and judicial transparency remain important concerns i don't want to sound how can you have how can you have an expectation of a fair trial for anybody that is extradited i don't want to sound off answer but how can anyone expect a fair trial to be had in syria or iraq. we're not talking about syria and nuclear talking about mainland china that is the same to me no it's not is the same of that just say it's not just it's a china not just don't want to know why do single china i'm told i'm not this is the whole point of the ultras 7 that's half the time but i've been talking glazes they go clawing incident hong kong hong kong people will apply the same standard no matter who is coming to make the requests be it united case united states united kingdom syria russia china we apply the same standard because this is what the

model requires us to do and we would do it here it what do you understand the purpose of extradition you what i'm understood what i'm saying but obviously you don't you know what you want what's your guess most of the state of the throwing insults of me what's what's your guess about where this is headed with the hardliners in beijing try to teach hong kong a lesson you know or will they show that they're willing to learn from what's been taking place the fact say that it did not come from mainland i think chivas negativism explain very clearly that it was her own initiative based on the fact that she was asked by the family of the girl who unfortunately was murdered by this hong kong person in taiwan because of the whole injustice of the situation the chief executive agreed to look into it and she was asked to to establish an extradition regime which can apply to taiwan applied to the rest of

the world which includes china but china is very exercised about what's been happening here called it a downright if you know a direct challenge to the work one country 2 systems if you were right china would not have permitted the chief executive to shelve the bill. rather long will that go on as far as this administration is concerned i understand that it's not going to come back period instead in the last few days or so it's just tell me right if what you say were true why would china do it. the fact is you don't know cheaters and it is i do i do more that you do otherwise you want how you come and ask people for 4 for an interview would you in the us if you had all the answers you would have come to me with the last few days hmong hong kong my association has called for a credible commission of inquiry not the police complaints council but a statutory independent body that can compel documents to be submitted and worst witnesses are testify is that going to happen is they're going to be i'm not sure

we know there's going to iran are not do you want it to happen because the us are you know i have make clear that i am again in good greenman with that request but the capital. of the eyepiece see the independent police complaints council has already. on a full inquiry there is only one investigation subject which is the police the police has already promised that they would comply with all requests and brought and provide for cooperation the government has made the same promise so that inquiry would be a very sufficient inquiry but if at the end of the day but not because the protests nurse then said that's my solution come on now i'm going tomorrow so serious this is not sufficient the only thing you're not you know what to say to us it is called the bar association without looking at the facts and there's a difference we should very much so here's a look at a face look at the for what you pay the bill hamas look at the facts and you have

to i don't know what i said let's talk it rubbish i i didn't say that but i don't know what facts they looked at but i'm telling you what the facts are right now if at the end of the day the i.c. i.p.c.c. inquiry proved to be insufficient to quit and of course we can look at to see whether there are other ways to implement or to improve what is being done but inquiry is going to be carried out so and also you want to read into what the hong kong government did or didn't do what that is being look how it failed by every. it's own deficiences no it's not the down notice i independent that doesn't actually read more than that it's going to change his ways to listen more and try to gauge more public opinion why does it long before it has listened before but this particular 20 days consultation i have already explained to you why that is so have you heard one of my explanation it was because that this

criminal was to be set free in some time by and his going to leave hong kong if there is no law in place that is the reason and the only reason why they have been insufficient consultation were not the demands from the protesters and what about it donna has already shell the bill that would be the end of it it would not come back right so it's finished it's finished it's step and what about the demands from the protestors scrap the bill independent inquiry is as good as crab independent inquiry into public are those alright i c c c ministers and the arrested white why should there be endlessly for the rest. isn't that erosion of the rule of law you've been telling me that the rule of law cannot be road so you are now telling me i'm not telling you anything putting you are you on that demand your asking me about rule of law and you are i mean i don't know why i thought he looked around and for crimes committed serious crime committed including we don't

like that of course there is a presumption of innocence isn't there have you have is there often a presumption of the reason i have gone that you've used. if you watch a t.v. take there's also a presidential of innocence have you watched a t.v. tape yes i have watched t.v. takes out as a person with people throwing bricks there is also a commercial innocent now but it isn't that if somebody has from a brick you're telling me they're guilty and even know you wait for me to answer you i mean why you've been so unfair why why do you put the questions we tell you why didn't because one of the questions that are on the fire about why my damndest to try to answer your question i'm asking you if those a cliff would show somebody as strong a brick that means somebody has committed an offense right now whether that person is rightly arrested or not is for the court to decide so you can say that somebody has been arrested that arrest must be wrong that isn't nothing to do a presumption of innocence you understand that i understand that mr thomas few days ago you were warning you were trying to evade the point is that only is that if you

got somebody who'd be arrested let the court decide whether he's guilty or not by simply asking that you should let him go without going through of due process of the law is a extreme erosion of the rule of law and you are seeing there how on your high horse and you're telling me that the bill is rooted in the rule of law and yet you are pointing to me at the same time that freedom giving freedom or letting the arrest go free is not erosion of the rule of law you holland how could you have such double standard you warned a few weeks ago a few days ago that if things got worse the chinese army might consider taking to the streets you said when there's trouble in hong kong when things turn sour there's violence in our streets our fear is that if the police are not able to control what is happening here there's a remote risk the chinese army would get involved. how remote is that risk and if it so i hope i got you why did you mention it no i hope you will never happen why

did you mention if it is or not finest trying to frighten people no it's a fact everybody understand it except you you don't understand it hong kong is a place where it has been operating is operating under the one country 2 systems it is a not very successfully is it is a huge political compromise we are part of china under the basic law china has a responsibility to ensure that hong kong is stable everybody who is doing business here want to see hong kong to be stable all right so yes under the basic law there is provision for the the beijing government to interfere if nobody hope that it will happen i'm trying to say that we are trying to of avoid this happening so i'm not instilling fear into people i'm simply reflecting what is stated in the

basic law and what is the political reality of the situation you said we need we in the midst of that perfectly responsible thing to do you said we need we in hong kong need to gain the trust and confidence are aging so that they can allow us the freedom of political reform just like what about the other way round what about beijing's duty to earn the trust of people in hong kong with one small ways where they have managed in a very successfully have a runs both ways only 2 years they have managed its exams on it that's unfair and they've been doing the most to drive the issue and you know it was all show the people do not do the majority of people still do not identify as challenges they're going to face old on beijing an example that has worked on. everybody would have to work harder you think the people of hong kong should play nice to their masters in beijing and they might throw them a few crumbs i do use a little use of force words the words i use is that we should communicate with each other and we should instill confidence in each other that's what i'm saying you know understand the difference. when you told me good to have your conflict so i

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