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expected to cut rates later this month. last week the british royal navy seized and a rainy and ship off gibraltar iran threatened to retaliate and that is what happened almost happened yesterday that's according to the royal navy tehran insists that nothing happened tonight the u.k. is trying to deescalate can it limit tensions with iran before this becomes more than a tit for tat over tankers i'm burnt off in berlin this is the day. this image is that being isn't has taken now requires us to show our reaction because our national interests are in danger. obviously very concerning developments but also very proud of the role that and the role that they played. a 6 british
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shipping safety commission into the concho and in reaction to what was their reaction when we hit the american drug nothing. we are constantly monitoring the security and constantly keeping on the review tined of security that we need to keep british shipping safe. also coming up the white house social media summit what do the people attending have in common well a love for donald trump and no love for the mainstream media. and. these people who don't like me and probably don't like you i'm going to talk directly to my followers about what i know about the white house. tomorrow . on to our viewers on p.b.s. in the united states and around the world well we begin the day with another clash on the seas between britain and iran tehran is denying accusations that its boat
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attempted to intercept a british oil tanker near the strait before. moose the royal navy says that one of its frigates was forced to intervene now it comes a week after the u.k. seized in a radio tanker loaded with oil allegedly headed for syria a violation of e.u. sanctions against damascus and as tensions rise with tehran over tankers london is trying to save the iran nuclear deal and almost impossible situation tonight we ask how much longer can london afford to play both sides it's. the strait of hormuz one of the world's busiest shipping lanes through which a 3rd of the world's seaborne oil passes iran's navy is an active presence here. the narrowest point in the strait is only 40 kilometers wide the british ministry of defense said the incident took place near the island of abu mussab.
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it says this frigate turned away rain in speedboat stuff were threatening the british oil tanker the u.k. foreign minister has responded by calling for calm obviously very concerning developments but also very proud of the royal navy and the role that they played in keeping british assets british shipping safe we are continuing to monitor the situation very very carefully the fear is that this latest incident will escalate becomes days after british authorities seized an iranian tanker off. claiming it was violating sanctions by the delivering oil to syria earlier this week iran also started enriching uranium beyond the limits set down the 2050 nuclear deal it signed with international powers iran says the confrontation never happened it's foreign minister mohammed serif has called the british accusations worthless iran's farce news agency quote sorry for saying they are seeking to cover up their weaknesses with such claims as tensions in the gulf summer diplomats are scrambling
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to keep the nuclear deal from on ruffling completely. i join me now here at the big table as marcus com he's from the german is to toot for international and security fears it's good to see you again markets let's talk to you we've been observing growing tensions here in the gulf for weeks now it is the situation between iran and iran were iran in the u.k. is that what's escalating or is it iran in the west that we're seeing escalate now i would see the west and around its major players here and it's escalating already and we've seen continuous escalation for the last couple of weeks it's a strategy of as a matric warfare pursuit of iranians with the on the threshold of the united below t. they need the nights to be involved another time. to plant the bombs 2 weeks ago so all they intend to spread instability and insecurity here and try to target the
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u.s. interests or western interests and. when you look at the u.k. it is it seems to be stuck in a very uncomfortable position you know it's got the tensions right now over these tankers with iran at the same time it's a member of one of the signatories to the nuclear deal with iran is trying to save that deal with iran how much longer do you think. one can afford to play both sides i don't think that it can afford and longer to play both sides and it's clear i mean we have seen and are in sending signals to the west and maybe even in the nothing from the united kingdom to run around and trying to put pressure on the remaining signatories in particular but 3 of my remaining european signatories from u.k. france and germany know it runs exactly the opposite then 1st thing thing is if it
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works but to be on of that and i really hate to say i think the deal is small estate and. work is kind of as always we appreciate you coming in to give us your insights thank you thank you. all right coming up later on the day we will meet a holocaust survivor sent out of nazi germany by his parents as a child he returns to berlin with a warning about our present. that was the beginning of a trip to. some it was traumatic some of the one or 2 younger ones because of being way from home was difficult they were both with us at this to talk about it the this these men the 5 and it did happen and i'm afraid it's could happen and i thought i hope not. germany's domestic intelligence agency which is known as the federal office for the
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protection of the constitution to be the for short it has a long list of groups that it watches groups that it considers to be extremists and threats to democracy the b.-f. these power reaches all the way in to parliament the anti immigration party the alternative for germany the a.f.d. is now the largest opposition party in parliament the party itself is not under surveillance but several of its groups such as the youth wing they are being monitored in the summer of 2015 more than 1000000 migrants mostly from war torn syria came here to germany now their arrival gave rise to violent demonstrations led by. that's a group against the islamification of europe the good it is on that list of organizations being watched here in germany even the monitors can be monitored last year the head of the office to protect the constitution hons georg mohsen he was
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forced to resign after publicly questioning claims about the seriousness of right wing violence in the country and there are renewed worries that the far right is growing in size and influence here in germany a regional conservative politician known for his prose migrant stance valter luka was shot dead at his home last month one man has confessed but investigators are not convinced that he acted alone. well now germany's domestic intelligence agency says that it is stepping up observation of another group the i didn't a terry in movement which has targeted immigrants and refugees especially muslims the agency says that the group which is believed to have about 600 members here in germany is now officially classified as quote an extreme right movement. are let's bring in the w.'s political correspondent simon young simon if you have covered far right extremist movements here in this country for years let's talk
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about the german i did to terry and who are they what do they stand for here the i did it terry and they see themselves as a sort of path youth movement and the sort of young malden face of far right thinking so we're not talking about the old school. nazis we skinheads in heavy boots marching in the streets these are people with a sort of theoretical idea behind what they're saying at and they haven't tended to get involved in in violence what they have done is that quite a lot of rather successful media stunts for instance in 2016 they combed on top of the brandenburg gate here in berlin and sit around rolled some some banners and that obviously got some attention those are the pictures they had in 2017 they even had a shave sailing in the mediterranean saying that it was picking up migrants trying
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to return them to the countries where they've come from sort of protesting against people smuggling as they said so they talk about returning migrants to their home countries about to defending europe as they put it against multiculturalism which they describe as a betrayal and so even though they're not a huge group only about 600 according to the thorax he's been investigating them they have been able to create some. i mean there aren't that many of them 600 and they've been around for about a decade so why are they now coming under scrutiny you know they've been operating in germany officially since 2012 in the office for the protection of the constitution has been they say it's actually the domestic security service has been looking into them for the last 2 or 3 years and of course it's necessary to observe their activities see what they're saying see who this speaking to who's listening to them to understand how dangerous they could be and indeed collect evidence that
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would stand up in cool because it's very likely that there will be a protest against this against this move by the intelligence or thoughts is so they've they've now come out and said the what these people want is not compatible with germany's constitution and they essentially involves not treating people with respect and dignity as required under the constitution what does it mean when the domestic intelligence service in germany says you are being surveyed and you're under observation what happens well i mean up to now they've been under observation but they could obviously now be subject to more intense surveillance measures and that would even include a telephone or competes surveillance that would probably require the agreement of a judge or a court in some form but nonetheless these things could be done and indeed if it continues if the problems continue then ultimately this group could face
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a band down the track or indeed the measures could be taken away again if they decide to sort of cool the boots and not be so offensive in public where you know we've reported on so many groups there's the peta movement there are political parties the alternative for germany there's the m.p. the there are lots of groups that were i guess you would sort of classify as being far right so how would the i dinna terry and how do they fit in to this spectrum if you will well i think they're part of the. seen but they've been clever enough to keep it omes length so there are no direct links between the events terry and for instance and the a f d party the far right political party we have here in palm and now indeed the a of d. of said if you are a member of the advanced hearings that you can't join the f.t. but there have been several cases where it's been obvious that there are sympathies you do get it into terry and turning up to a if the rallies and you know supporting people on
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a personal basis so they're all links informal links if you like but these guys have very clever too and careful so make sure that they can't be attacked they don't want to get on the wrong side of the law well now they're going to have more difficulty in staying on the right side and they do have their own lurkers their words easy to spot as well so i'm young as always thank you. well this is the invitation sent by the white house for today's social media summit the recipients we understand are representatives ranging from conservatives to the world of tribal politics to the far right. of those who did not receive invitations are just as notable the giants such as facebook and twitter they were not asked to attend trump says the summit will highlight the power of social media over mainstream media which as we know he labels as fake news ironically trump used
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several tweets today to make his point now he tweeted that the biggest subject at the summit will be the tremendous dishonesty bias discrimination and suppression practiced by certain companies we will not let them get away with it much longer he tweeted it and then he followed up with one of the mantras of his presidency the fate news is not as important or as powerful as social media. well my next guest tonight i understand was not invited to the white house social media summit he was invited to join me tonight and we're delighted that he accepted i'm happy to welcome angelo carer's own president of media matters he's in washington d.c. tonight enjoy it's good to have you on the show thank you so much do you agree with me that it's part of the message that the white house wants to send with this
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summit that there are groups and and people on social media who are accepted and get invitations and there are groups who get left out. of course and and i also think that you know trump was very clear to what the what he was trying to get out of this which was to rally his troops across the full spectrum of the right you know the more establishment survey gives all the way to the worst extremists and you know they're part of this is to sort of work the refs to put up enough pressure with these platforms to prevent them from putting in place countermeasures protections against this information and extremism and it worked well in 2016 they did this in 2016 and were actually able to get facebook to change walls that allowed for them to engage in suppressive advertisements so there really is an intentional strategy here and they're being pretty transparent about it and we could say that decision media summit is really just another form of a political rally for his base is taking place in the white house would you agree.
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i agree and i think that's exactly right and if you want package it what that base is you know i don't think it's a problem to pull together influencers on social media or online you know president obama did this when he got into office he you know did a meeting with the most progressive prominent progressive bloggers at that time and and it was good it was a way to sort of interact with a new form of media and i don't think there's anything objectionable on face with president engaging with part of the information landscape however when you want package who's there i mean some of the people that were invited and it was no accident you know one guy that this this ali akbar has previously done podcast live interviews with individuals that were waving nazi flags that were saying it of hillary's a good man as a part of his programming i mean he is somebody with intense ties to the far right and you know your last segment really ties in here because one of the things that
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a lot of the participants there do is they try to do a really good job of not you know of avoiding having a really official relationship with an extremist or a racist organization even though as i just pointed out they promote and engage very routinely with some of the most extreme parts of that segment and what you're saying and what i mean that's really important and it's a it's a story do you think though that the mainstream media particularly in the united states will they report exactly what you just talked about my impression is that it's going to get short shrift what do you think. i agree and i think it's because you know the the media reacts in especially in the states they're not going to go as deep as they should go you know they'll maybe throw an offhanded quick comment about you know trump of bringing together all these far right figures but they're not going to go deep as to who was there and why not and why you're not going to look at why not i think a large part of it is you know one of the things that the right wing has done
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really effectively in the states for the past 30 years with the news media is that they have made they've made cries of liberal bias about absolutely everything and part of the reason why we have such a difficulty around climate change or some of these major topics is that in order to prevent themselves from being attacked as liberal. media news media tends to you know both sides it will give everybody voices they tend have a tendency not to characterize extremist as extremists and unless it's extremely clear cut less you have a giant i'm a member of the k.k.k. badge they're very reluctant to refer to you that way and so that that's the hesitancy you know they've basically been the refs have been work in the news media and now i think everyone should be concerned because they want to work the refs on the social media platforms as well yeah yeah that's a good point you make in social media. it's part of the problem when we talk about the held society has become so fractured and fragmented but. the bigger
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problem it appears looking at the us from outside is that the news diet that people consume is seems to be rather unhealthy that people only get one kind of news and that's it they're not getting to any balance they're not getting good sources i mean what could 6 that in your opinion it's so true i mean 40 percent of americans use their social media feed as their primary source or a primary or major source of news and information when you so almost one out of every 2 and then when you one package that to your point the majority of americans that. you get news outside of local news on tend to consume it from an ideological source so a place that they are already agree with the partisan sources as opposed to you know sort of a neutral balancing so on one hand there is this larger problem of what the sources are available and what they say in terms of how to fix this it actually does start a lot with the way that the algorithms these platforms work i mean there's a massive shift in the economics of the news business unfortunately in the states
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we don't have a very robust public media that can provide a key of a key count of a key you know centering effect in the conversation which is critical elsewhere and is helpful elsewhere so as a result of that what you have to think about is what what are the algorithms doing and one of the things they do right now is awarding gaijin so if you're a news outlet you try to chase the clicks because that's how you keep the lights on and that's the challenge here it starts with the rules of the game let me ask you before we run out of time we've got about 45 seconds but we know that there was a court ruling this week in the united states which basically told the u.s. president you can't want people on twitter because you're using out twitter to announce public policy so it's kind of like going to the public square you can shut that off i noticed on your twitter feed as of july 9th you were you were still blocked by the president and you asked him and. did the block you know and i think of all the people on the block list i'm probably somebody who will
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fight to the death before jambox me he's tried to sue me he complains about me he absolutely hates me and in part because i you know i don't just lob baseless criticisms i take action that actually hold him accountable have in the past and will continue to do that and i see through his efforts to to work the rest of these platforms in cheat and that's a big part of it so now he hasn't ever ok well let us know if if he does that we'll worth a story as well angela carries on with media matters joining us tonight from washington and so we appreciate your time and your insights thank you. thank so much for. a remarkable story of survival now their parents sent them away during germany's nazi period in the hope of saving their lives now a group of kindertransport survivors and their relatives well they've made a remember its trip to berlin 4 of them were among the 10000 jewish children who
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were sent to the u.k. in the run up to the 2nd world war most of them never saw their parents again and often they were the only members of their families to survive the holocaust. brady met with a 94 year old kurt marx he was visiting berlin from the u.k. here is his story. who should i hate the people who who did it in that i have and it will be older than i am and. so much longer. i go to school. and smoke was coming out of the school. and it was a commotion the teacher was outside the school and he said you go home today's the school 13 year old boy who doesn't have to go to school has a day off i didn't mind. i got home as quickly as took me 25 minutes i suppose of a bicycle to get home and they hadn't told me this the night before
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a friend had phoned is this don't stay at home tonight there's going to be trouble tonight they knew what was going to happen it was all planned it wasn't spontaneous it was all arranged and fortunately my father had not been at home so he wasn't i didn't pick him up or call him so that was. beginning of the realisation that it's impossible but clear by the screen then made a decision it was to move the school to english that was the head to head master of the director of school so he started this and i'm still when i think about it that in 2 months he organized the 1st group to go to england and he managed it in age weeks is quite incredible i mean work we've all together there were 20 boys we all of each other we weren't in the same cause of school so it wasn't. there was no
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fear. for some it was traumatic some of the one of the younger ones because of being way from home was difficult there were a lot of parents. and it was the beginning of our trip to england and i was expecting. soon or later to go to america with my parents. and then. time went on and the next and last communication had from them always in 1942 my father wrote on the 19th. to me that they were leaving. on the all we knew they were going to the east no detail. we know now that they went to extermination camp. but this i didn't find out absolutely years ago.
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and you live with it nothing you can do about it. but at the same time you see what's happening what's happening here what's happening in the whole of europe and all these various countries where the right wing is coming up again i remember that i do remember when my parents in those with the adults used to talk about hitler was just mad can't last for 5 minutes you know but it lasted and he created. you know what's what happened with the end result was it did happen and i'm afraid it's could happen i don't know i hope not. thursday is almost gone the conversation continues online you'll find us on twitter either of the news follow me a t.v. don't forget to use our hash tag remember whatever happens between now and then to morrow is another day we'll see you then everybody.
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