i've returned to. visit friends so i don't think i'd ever go back there to live you know what i live there again i don't know so i'm not sure. bearing witness global news that matters. made for mines. we can make china a peaceful country if you ever said no to beijing yes many times i'm telling you the facts why don't you list the politicians in taiwan because being out campaigning in presidential primaries ahead of next year's elections with the topic of relations with china very much on the agenda my guess this week outside the capital taipei. way who's been seeking the nomination of hughes probating party the kuomintang as china pushes with increasing urgency for reunification and the

taiwanese continue to reject its one on the high seas party to offer. the way welcome to. thank you very much for inviting me. you said the only way to resolve the antagonism between china and to i one is to talk and to love. to know your lover china that is threatening taiwan both verbal and militarily and holding a sword over your head continually how do you love what world that's your impression actually if you talk to some chinese in mainland china as long as you don't support separation from china they are not treat you like that they are not attack you don't say the wrong thing other was right right and you know you are normalize that

you think that's a normal way to live but a power across 180 kilometers of the strait says to you if you say the wrong thing you finished while you're eating fish i don't think it's that serious you have only a series you keep saying i think you have to talk to each other if you try to visit china so call the china we call the mainland ok we are taiwan our mainland we together is a china is a one china war if you think the threats from china is so serious as one why do you european people all the people around the world are all the members up in the e.u. and try to work with china try to have dialogue with china try to solve problems it's true that you know that as well as i do it's a human rights record is their work and its trade and we can do that too apart from trade what exactly it is democratic time i was having common these days with one party communist china you have free elections yes you will change your party in

power they don't you have independent courts they know you have a free press they don't you can speak out against abuses of power and they can't what on earth have you got in common with mainland china and. i think we should emphasize differences. go there work with them be their friends be their brothers and change that instead of being their enemies go there walk with them you can change them like what do you were doing with them now we're going to do a country about human rights what i'm not going to announce that you can change them what on earth is the evidence what you see the trade surplus china with rights you see a lot of changes in hong kong recently why china is not using force to press down be demonstration why the compromise why because they seek opportunity to prove they can change they came pruitt will come on to hong kong a little later i want to go into some detail on that but the serious issue is the

military pressure from china is that even 2 years ago your government's national defense report highlighted concerns that chinese military activity near taiwan posed an enormous threat to security in the taiwan straits now just a few days ago you had washington saying that china stepped up its pressure seeing the largest increase in military activity around taiwan for 20 years and you think that's meaningless why us say china is going to interfere in the election in taiwan sold us as coming here to interfere in taiwan is a lecture you happy with these bullying turned out because what they are now are not happy about bullying thing but i'm not what i was doing i'm happy about you know we can do business with each other we can ask the china to make changes we are the only people on earth believe that we can make that happen we can make china

a peaceful country where you look back at the history who are the invaders who are the invaders japan right who participated the wars in asia. do you want to live in history do you want to live in the us i want you will you know person in modern humans i assure people i want you i want to make history clear who are the invaders ok if you want to be someone's enemy then they will be your enemy if you want to be someone's friend always following your ideas because you have friends if only. let me tell you one thing one thing why us is selling our 16 to taiwan instead of 35 and the us is selling f. 35 to korea to japan to singapore to other countries why the united states gave the island to i to japan instead of taiwan it was our territory why do us is doing that to taiwan this show can teach

vice president of the taiwan foundation for democracy said last month to move on to more taiwanese feel their nation is now under substantial stret and you seem to be out of touch with that feeling totally you don't feel and know the reality i feel the reality i know how to deal with the chinese in mainland. i know what's the fact i know you have to give your group of your own have to deal with them as a politician i tried to deal with them when i was the mayor here the the big city mayor i work with the city in 19 i try to communicate with them i try to work with them try to ameliorate carbon emissions ensues environmental issues education issues will work with them to battle that put magic front where they continue to squeeze you where they ramp up the pressure where they try to persuade countries to drop their recognition diplomatic recognition that you did that you not curious

that china didn't remember this you lost in 1000000028 teams from the right to chinese russia you would know about the intersection using an engine thank you you recognize china you don't recognize the the republic of china you will recognize it because if i was writing about republicans and we were talking about china is taiwan we were their representative of china before 971 and the un i talk. about in history and the sense of i'm here artistic you know i'm telling the fact we exist here the are we seeing this is here and that's what you called the taiwan but you never knew i couldn't that is the hour see here you recognize the p.r.c. rates what in the e.u. when i read an article recently we hear 21 china policy as regards to taiwan and hong kong and i say i think you should be defined like this we are here to one

china policy as regards to mainland taiwan hong kong and macau was to chill out you're not talking about china that continues to thwart taiwan's participation in international organizations like the world health organization and interpol for instance you want to be members of those organised want to china and i want you to help us is trying to stop it why you agreed. as you know moving aside you never criticize your maybe i just as i must pay attention everybody i think when you say dr drew i know you know they're trying to know what you read and that's what i'm going to say that we've read a lot of i have the luxury of science to express my opinion about china is no toys are being set up this is wrong this is material i have here one more thing the un the e.u. even germany you recognize the p.r.c. you don't recognize the scene and i truly hope one day you recognize the hour see

you know how to participate doubly h. o. ok i and you see the chinese on the lock about we have a lot of their best they should try to talk we were talking as what we should try to vote results he intended to such great results you see that candy that candy tried to talk to mainland china time they tried to time to try it yet they tried to do let us but his of mr cho is precious little h o n i c a or mr churchill beijing is clearly losing patience with taiwan and while you dream of some vague love in between taipei and the mainland china is crystal clear what it wants from you and that's reunification and it refuses to rule out the use of force to get it doesn't it and you live with that and you normalize that on a daily basis ok in our consciousness saying to the not you can't come dancing you couldn't possibly constitution ok there's only one china policy. and that

includes mainland taiwan hong kong and in my car that's in our constitution we should by and by our country's constitution are right you're being told by xi jinping as you were in january unification is an inevitable requirement for the great rejuvenation of the chinese people he said taiwan should accept that it must and will be reunited with china whatever talks you've been having with china hasn't got the mother vattel idea and how many people in taiwan want that the unification under 3 percent do or about i don't worry about what the rand paul thing about you don't know you've already got people up i think but don't worry about their threatening words you're going to stand up to those threatening words what we stand up to you won't we stand up to that but you know i have a cigarette remember iran must and well ok we're knighted with china have you got

so much of me have you tried to take a lot of our constitution have you tried to take a look of loss this is you are long as what china is now saying our laws and in our constitution we want to peaceful relationship we want to unification. the people of the people in our law and the constitution it doesn't matter what their country why they want and try to amend the constitution that's your perception our people here want to have a peaceful relationship with the mainland and we want to make money we want to do business together we want to have a democracy in the future in mainland china but not fighting against them not taking down s. and anomie trying to be their friends and tried to change them by participation perhaps like what you do elsewhere do you go that's working so well the reality is mr joe the push on unification puts your party the kuomintang into

a very difficult position doesn't it your veteran china expert suchi actually said that he said she didn't ping took away all the space for ambiguity and that puts us the kuomintang in a very difficult situation that difficulty being that your party is being told get on with this by china and you don't have a policy of standing up to it so you do have a policy what is it i declared dad's claim that i want to unify china i want to unify under taiwan less chance 23000000 people what i was against the courage i was made that is my policy i this was the center so it's fantasy you have to remember that all 3 are happening. in the world you have to understand the history in the world what's happening now unification separation yes yes that's the process unification separation separation unification. that's a track of the history but there is one thing very important i also learned wrongs

never mind the track of westerly track of mystery is just words is the track of this all you just know it's the fact the question is what people want to know how human nature is the vast majority of your population do me a favor wants unification do me a favor and have you ever stood up struggle i said out of you ever so you answer them i stand up for the republic of china have you ever said no to beijing yes for many times what on human rights issues yes really yes you can do a good night's active was. actually an accident happened that was 30 years ago i'd be told down to years whenever i went to china i told them you need to introduce democracy to your society or they're listening you know the u.s. attorney so want to see the 1st of the brightest crackdown in 25 years taking place on human rights activists human rights watch reported last year human rights defenders continue to enjoy arbitrary detention imprisonment and in forced

disappearance and you say nothing about what have you heard i said anything about that i get just now i even told them i even told them because you don't know my history dealing with them i have a many dialogues with them i told them you have to improve that's human rights that's international standards of treating your people i told them to ok i have to tell you one thing if you don't participate if you don't join them if you don't treat them like they can improve their nothing good is going to happen you know what i did live here it's a fine line between that and the peace movement isn't it yes it's a very fulsome fine line it's very ambiguous but you have to do that from your heart. people know that it's ever spoken up for the tiny taiwanese democracy activists leaving che it's more than living chait's more than 2 years since he was

forcibly disappeared you haven't heard of him really mean chair it's more than 2 years since he was forcibly disappeared by police in china's province and charges subversion of state power he's a citizen of taiwan you don't talk about you don't even know he's now you know he's in terrible conditions human rights groups around the world have been campaigning for his release you know one of our governor sentenced to 5 years in jail can't get phone calls can't get letters 4 times his wife was prevented from from going to china to visit. and you know his rights are being around 20 years ago i tried to talk to chinese commoners to release and as suspects a lady who just got married and was released recently i talked to our government. went down was the ruling party and they didn't step in they didn't

try to rescue her she was sentenced to death however in jail for 20 years and just a year ago she was released probably just in this year she was released and look what the people here have done to help human rights you know we should try to work together and we should try to talk to them and what the government here do let's talk about hong kong again you mentioned earlier the view interview and you were you were praising china that they had shown restraint with the demonstration not praising them for that who started this in the 1st place ok that's the law right. for what the demonstrators will tell you that it was a constant erosion of their freedoms under the one country 2 systems for forced them onto the streets anywhere the denial of universal suffrage the kidnapping of

booksellers the banning of a political party the prevention of elected legislative council is taking their seats because they didn't like the politics that constant erosion of freedom under the one country 2 systems that's the system that she didn't think is offering you one country 2 systems i suggest you take a look what's been happening here in taiwan in the arrow see the ruling party p.p.p. who claimed they protect human rights there is a minority no i have to tell when it embarrasses anything happening here that's the reason why it's so embarrassing because our ruling party is trying to act martial law here doing something even worse and there is one lawyer related to national security you know that's what they are doing here our ruling party here in of

course we created size the hong kong government especially the council tried to establish a law which your hong kong residents disagree and it doesn't trust sold that lease or you the latest heritage of that to you the chief executive you carry lamb the chief exec she's beijing's appointee russian history pointy even so-called elected by some hong kong representation. why hasn't she been more ask hong kong people has come from people is there democracy is serious system as can compete let me come back to the question and this is the one thing is important they were to draw. a lot draft rights they've suspended they said it was not they still there then said they've said it's dead they said they would drop because they did something wrong there in the meat i think there's something proceeding with it but not now that's that's what's happening before now they say they were. you're

satisfied it's over now i'm not satisfied about that i'm worried about what's happening here in taiwan and the one country 2 systems formula that she jinping has offered to taiwan we don't read the that or that's not going to happen that's not going to happen then you mean hong kong is not going to have a different systems from china system isn't the last thing i think the system what should exist because that's the the window shop for chinese they should to show that improvement of democracy to the world hong kong system is a joke isn't give don't try to violate that it's going to embarrass them just to show isn't a lesson that you should take away from hong kong is that china doesn't live up to its promises of democracy isn't that the lesson i think and i think talking and wanting i love china i don't live up to the note on this i have to think we should

try to change then we should try to improve them you should 1st say no to them one. how do you know i didn't say no to them i've doing that i've been doing that for so many years every time i visited china i talked to them i say improve your system especially a democratic system and they stepped up their interference with all of them look at the propaganda war that's being waged against taiwan a study by the university of gothenburg in sweden said you're one of china's major targets for spreading disinformation happy about direct interference well i think. we all see so-called taiwan should be more more open to outside world especially western society or voiding we question are doing is this information campaign here while china is trying to do that but other countries also try to do that too i

think we should take active actions in solving their problems well they're open society but not open enough to the outside world to take a look how many english speaking channels here so take a look at how many how much international media existing here in taiwan were not exposed enough to the outside world however the politicians here tried to close the door. try not close you know we are one we. know should we or you we we emphasize local so much instead of internationalization that's what you don't want to see more going on here do you know when you really miss ourself 1st you don't want to admit it now we want to improve ourselves too we also want to improve china remember i want to take active active process active approach to china to make china change. this idea that you could make

children. which frankly is pretty much of a long shot why should people vote for your party. well if you're selling fantasies like that well i know we're not standing fan to. be realistic it's a difficult competition one of you trying to realize what p.p.p. can do t.v. is the one who came to the really election why don't you take a look what we're fighting for while fighting for true democracy here and give the ruling democracy we're trying to build a peaceful relationship with china with the mainland we're trying to create a better society here we're trying to introduce your systems your values here to taiwan we're trying so hard to do that if we want to convents of people here that camp he can rule this country perfectly well then we have to respect the

democracy we have to open our society to the outside world we have to be honest to our people the bad but our ruling party is cheating our people well the bad news for you is that a plurality of taiwanese 45 percent don't identify with your party or the ruling d.p.p. to take a look take a look at you're right you're right they don't trust the parties here yeah they don't trust us then don't trust them they don't trust our party you're not saying anything that they think is relevant what i believe they're what they're saying is relevant we realise the fact already people don't trust the parties here people don't trust the politicians here which is that what they are trust you i mean you you said in the 2nd probably debate we're going to have some problem with you claim that the number of times when these people below the poverty line was believed to be around 3800000. right which is suppressed simply not true it's simply not

true it's true that if you research no lies ations says taiwan proportionally contains fewer people living in poverty than any other country in nature. and anybody of almost no time no i mean i met them in less than 2 years on those on the us and to me patients lee you know when i was the me here in tempe county they are around one quarter of the students couldn't afford their lunch that's one quarter in a few times that proportion to the total population here in taiwan until new facts and sunlight that's very low i'm telling you the fact that's not the facts that's the fact i'm telling you the fact why don't you listen almost no time when he is live on less than $1.00 us dollars a day that's noble part that you lad that is that really you have a poverty that's growing all over the nation on top of poverty is different really my definition but you are guilty of not knowing who wrote yes relative to every

minute yet that's my definition and ubiquitous as my donation you live in so i can tell you if any student cannot afford their lunch then he's and his family is living in poverty that's my definition if it all goes wrong here in taiwan and she didn't bring loses patience and somebody says something they shouldn't say . and china looks as though it's moving towards an invasion would you fight for taiwan. or not where do your ultimate loyalties lie mr cho loyal to our country the republic of china well loyal to our constitution you would you fight your show you know yes yes yes if they violated our constitution to preserve and protect our people and defend our people i'll fight against china so she way you're going to have your own comfort zone thank you. as the x

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