as the target goes to green energy solutions and reforestation. they create interactive content teaching the next generation about environmental protection and were determined to build something here for the next generation multiply the multimedia environment series on t.w. . we can make china a peaceful country if you ever said no to beijing yes many times i'm telling you the facts why don't you list the politicians in taiwan being out campaigning in presidential primaries ahead of next year's election with the topic of relations with china very much on the agenda my guest this week outside the capital taipei chose she way who's been seeking the nomination of hughes probating party the kuomintang as china pushes with increasing urgency for reunification on the

taiwanese continue to reject its one on a party to offer. the way welcome to comfort zone thank you very much for inviting me. you said the only way to resolve the antagonism between china and to i one is to talk and to love yes to know your lover china that is threatening taiwan both verbal and militarily and holding a sword over your head continually how do you love what world does your impression actually if you talk to some chinese in mainland china as long as you don't support separation from china they are not treat you like that they are not attack you also don't say the wrong thing other was. right and you know you are normalize that you

think that's a normal way to live the power across 180 kilometers of the straits as do you if you say the wrong thing you finished why do you think i don't think it's that serious you have a series you keep saying i think you have to talk to each other if you try to visit china so call the china we call the mainland ok we are taiwan our mainland we together is a china is a one china war if you think the threats from china is so serious as one why do you european people all the people around the world all the members are in the end try to work with china try to have dialogue with china try to solve problems it's true that you know that as well as i do it's not a human rights record is there working history we can do that too apart from trade what exactly does democratic taiwan have been common these days with one party communist china you have free elections yes you will change your party in power

they don't you have independent courts they don't you have a free press they don't you can speak out against abuses of power and they can't what on earth have you got in common with mainland china. i think we should emphasize differences. go there work with them be their friends be their brothers and change them instead of being their enemies go there walk with them you can change you like what do you are doing with them now what are you going to do a country about human rights what i'm not doing in china is that you can change them what on earth is the evidence what you see the trade surplus china with rights you see a lot of changes in hong kong recently why china is not using force to press down the demonstration why they compromise why because they seek opportunity to prove they can change they came pruitt will come on to hong kong a little later i want to go into some detail on that but the serious issue is the

military pressure from china is that even 2 years ago your government's national defense report highlighted concerns that chinese military activity near taiwan posed an enormous threat to security in the taiwan straits now just a few days ago you had washington saying that china stepped up its pressure seeing the largest increase in military activity around taiwan for 20 years and you think that's meaningless why us say china is going to interfere in the election in tell you why and so us is coming here to interfere in taiwan is a lecture you happy with these bullying turnouts because that's what they are i'm not happy about bullying thing but i'm not what i was doing i'm happy about you know we can do persons with each other we can't ask of china to make changes we are the only people on earth believe that we can make that happen we can make china

a peaceful country where you look back at the history who are the invaders who are the invaders japan right who participated the wars in asia. if you want to live in history you want to live in the now i want you to live in the 1st in modern humans i assure people i want you i want to make history clear who are the invaders ok if you want to be someone's enemy then they will be your enemy if you want to be someone's friend always phone you even if you have friends if only. let me tell you one thing one thing why us is selling out of 16 to taiwan instead of 35 and the us is selling f. 35 to korea to japan to singapore to other countries why the united states gave the only island to japan instead of taiwan it was our territory why the us is doing that to taiwan this show can't be chosen

vice president of the taiwan foundation for democracy said last month that not a more taiwanese feel their nation is now on the existential threat and you seem to be out of touch with that feeling totally you don't feel angry i know the reality i feel the reality i know how to deal with the chinese in mainland. i know what's the fact i know you have to give your do from you long have to deal with them as a politician i tried to deal with them when i was the mayor here the the picks the city mayor i work with the city in one gene i try to communicate with them i try to work with them try to ameliorate carbon emission e.c.s. environmental issues education e.c.s. will work with them for about a dozen mattick front where they continue to squeeze you where they ramp up the pressure where they try to persuade countries to drop their recognition diplomatic

recognition that you did that you not journalism china didn't remember this you lost in 1000002918 so you write to chinese russia you would know about the intersection using the engine thank you you recognize china you don't recognize the the republic of china you will recognize it because you and i'm going to be about republicans and we were talking about china is taiwan we were the representatives of china before $971.00 and the u.n. i talk. about in history and it seems about our secret no i'm telling the fact we exist here the are all the secrecy here and that's what you called the taiwan but you never knew i couldn't now is the hour see here you recognize the p.r.c. writes what in the e.u. when i read an article recently we here are 21 china policy as regards to taiwan and hong kong and ice i think you should be defined like this we are here to one china policy as regards to mainland taiwan hong kong and

a mockup was to show you are not talking about china that continues to thwart one's participation in international organizations like the world health organization and interpol for instance you want to be members of those organised want to sign up as i am only here to help us is trying to stop it why you agreed. it's you know being like you never criticize your baby i just as i must pay attention everybody i think when you say dr n y no no meantime i need to know that you read a lot so i didn't say that we've read a lot of i have the luxury of science to express my opinion about china as no toys are seen as take up this is wrong there's a material i have here one more thing the un the e.u. even germany you recognise the p.r.c. you don't recognize the scene and i truly hope one day you recognize the our scene

you know how to participate doubly h. o. ok i and you see the chinese a lot of the luck about you know what we have a lot of investigation to try to talk about we were talking as what we should try to those results i didn t. it's any such great reality that can t. did that can t. try to talk to mainland china time they tried it it sounded trite yeah they tried to do let us but is a magic show especially the h. o. and i see a or mr cho beijing is clearly losing patience with taiwan and while you dream of some vague love in between taipei and the mainland china is crystal clear what it wants from you and that's reunification and it refuses to rule out the use of force to get it doesn't it and you live with that and you normalize that on a daily basis ok in our constantly saying to the not you can unfasten you couldn't possibly constitution ok there is only one china policy. and that includes

mainland taiwan hong kong and michael that's in our constitution we should buy and buy our country's constitutional rights you're being told by xi jinping as you were in january unification is an inevitable requirement for the great rejuvenation of the chinese people he said taiwan should accept that it must and will be reunited with china whatever talks you've been having with china hasn't got them out of that idea and how many people in taiwan want that reunification under 3 percent there or about that it's going to turn worry about what the reporting about you don't know you've already got people up i think but don't worry about their threatening words why don't you stand up to those threatening words what we stand up to you why don't we stand up to that but you know very straightforward remands iran must and well ok we're knighted with china have you got them out to me have you tried to take

a lot of our constitution so have you tried to take a look of loss to show you are looking at what china is now saying our laws and in our constitution we want a peaceful relationship we want to unification. the people who talk to the people in our law and the constitution it doesn't matter what their country why they want to try to amend the constitution that's your perception our people here want to have a peaceful relationship with the mainland and we want to make money we want to do business together we want to have a democracy in the future in mainland china but not by being against them not taking down s. and anomie trying to be their friends and tragic change them by participation present what you do and where do you go that's working so well the the reality is mr joe the beijing's push on unification puts your party the kuomintang into

a very difficult position doesn't it your veteran china expert suchi actually said that he said she jinping took away all the space for ambiguity and that puts us the kuomintang in a very difficult situation that difficulty being that your party is being told get on with this by china and you don't have a policy of standing up to it do you i do have a policy. i declared that i claim that i want to unify china i want to unify under taiwan less young chance from your 3000000 people what i want against the courage of this very day that is my parsi i this was the center so it's fantasy you have to remember there are 3 that happen i know in the world you have to understand the history in the world what's happening now unification separation . yes yes that's the process unification separation separation unification. that's a track of the history but there's one thing barry was not i also learned wrongs

never mind the track of westerly track of mystery is just words there's a track of it all you just know it's the fact the question is what people want to know human nature is that the vast majority of your population do me a favor wants unification to me as i know have you ever stood up to channelize and out of you have a sin to answer them i stand up for the republic of china have you ever said no to beijing yes for many times what on human rights issues yes really yes you can do when you can manage active was. actually an accident happened 730 years ago i'd be told down 2 years whenever i went to china i told don't you need to introduce democracy to your society or they're listening yes he loses money so i'll see the 1st of the brightest crackdown in 25 years taking place on human rights activists human rights watch reported last year human rights defenders continue to endure arbitrary detention imprisonment and force disappearance and you say nothing about

that. have you heard i said anything about that i get just now i even told them i even told them because you don't know my history the old in with them i have the many dialogues with them i told them you have to improve that's human rights that's international standards of treating your people i told them to ok i have to tell you one thing if you don't participate if you don't join them if you don't treat them like they can improve their nothing good is going to happen you know what i'm blind here it's a fine line between that and the peace movement isn't it yes it's a very photogram fine line it's very ambiguous but you have to do that from your heart. people know that haven't spoken up for the tiny taiwanese democracy activists leaving it's more than looming chait's more than 2 years since he was forcibly disappeared you haven't heard of him leap chair it's more than 2 years

since he was forcibly disappeared by police in china's province and charge was subversion of state power he's a citizen of taiwan you don't talk about you don't even though he's now you know he's in terrible conditions human rights groups around the world have been campaigning for his release no one about governor sentenced to 5 years in jail can't get phone calls can't get letters 4 times his wife was prevented from from going to china to visit. and you know his rights are being around 20 years ago i tried to talk to chinese communists to release an espionage suspects a lady who just got married and it was released recently i talked to our government. went down was the ruling party and they didn't step in they didn't try

to rescue her she was sentenced to death however in jail for 20 years in just a year ago she was released probably just to be in this year she was released and look what the people here have done to help human rights you know we should try to work together and we should try to talk to them and what the government here do let's talk about hong kong again you mentioned earlier the interview and you were you were praising china that they had shown restraint with the demonstration not praising them for that who started this in the 1st place ok that's the more right. for what the demonstrators will tell you that it was a constant erosion of their freedoms under the one country 2 systems formula that forced them onto the streets anywhere the denial of universal suffrage the

kidnapping of booksellers the banning of a political party the prevention of elected legislative council is taking their seats because they didn't like their politics it's that constant erosion of freedom under the one country 2 systems that's the system that she is offering you one country to nurse them i suggest you take a look what's been happening here in taiwan in the road see the ruling party d.p.p. who claimed they protect human rights there is a minority you know i have to tell when it embarrasses anything happening here that's the reason why it's so embarrassing because our ruling party is trying to marshal law here doing something even worse and there is one law related to national security you know that's what they are doing here our ruling party here in the white of course we criticize the hong kong government especially the council

tried to establish a law which hong kong residents disagree and it doesn't trust sold out the show you the latest heritage of that to your chief executive you carry lamb the chief exec she's beijing's appointee russian history should be our pointy even so-called elected by some hong kong representation of a. more ask hong kong people as calm people is their democracy is serious system asking from people who come back to the question and this is the one thing is important they were to draw. a lot draft right they've suspended it they said it was not they still there then said they've said it's dead they said they would drop because they did something wrong in the meat i think there's something proceeding with it but not now that's that's what's happening before now they say their words. you're satisfied it's over now i'm not satisfied

about that i'm worried about what's happening here in taiwan and the one country 2 systems formula that she jinping has offered to taiwan we do ads read that or that's not going to happen that's not going to happen and you mean hong kong is not going to have a different systems from china system isn't the last thing i think the system what should exist because that's the the window shop for chinese they should to show that improvement of democracy to the world hong kong system. isn't give don't try to violate that it's going to embarrass them just to show isn't a lesson that you should take away from hong kong is that china doesn't live up to its promises of democracy isn't that the lesson i think and i think talking and one thing i love china i don't live up to the note on this i have to think we

should try to change then we should try to improve them you should 1st say no to them wong how do you know i didn't say no to them. doing that i've been doing that for so many years every time i visited china i talked to them i say improve your system especially a democratic system. and they step up their interference with. look at the propaganda war that's being waged against taiwan a study by the university of gothenburg in sweden said you're one of china's major targets for spreading disinformation happy about direct interference well i think. we are all see so called the taiwan should be more more opened to outside world especially western society or avoiding we question i had it really is this information campaign here while china is trying to do that but other countries also try to do that too i think we should take active actions in solving their

problems well they're open society but not open enough to the outside world or people of how many english speaking channels here so take a look at how many how much international media are existing here in taiwan we're not exposed enough to the outside world however the politicians here tried to close the door china try not close you know we are one we. know we for you we we emphasize local lies ations so much instead of internationalization that's what you don't want to see more going on here do you know when you really miss oneself 1st you don't want to admit it now we want to improve ourselves too we also want to improve china remember i want to take active active process active approach to china to make china change this idea that you can

make sure that chile which frankly is pretty much of a long shot why should people vote for your party next year well if you're selling fantasies like that one no we're not selling fantasy. be realistic it's a difficult competition. why don't you try to realize what p.p.p. can do p.v.p. is the one who came to the really action why don't you take a look what we're fighting for while fighting for true democracy here and keep the ruling democracy while trying to build up a peaceful relationship with china with the mainland we're trying to create a better society here we're trying to introduce your systems your values here to taiwan we're trying so hard to do that if we want to come dance of people here that we can keep this country perfectly well then we have to respect the

democracy we have to open our society to the outside world we have to be honest to our people the badman our ruling party is cheating our people well the bad news for you is that the plurality of taiwanese 45 percent don't identify with your party or the ruling d.p.p. didn't take a look take a look at you're right you're right they don't trust the parties here yeah they don't trust us then don't trust them they don't trust our party you're not saying anything that they think is relevant what i believe they're what they're saying is relevance we realize the fact already people don't trust the parties here people don't trust the politicians here which is what the trust you i mean you you said in the 2nd probably debate we're going to have some problems you claim that the number of times when these people below the poverty line was believed to be around 3200000 . which is suppressed simply not true which is simply not true it's true that if

you research no essential says taiwan proportionally contains fewer people living in poverty than any other country in asia now now mostly when i say no time no i mean i met them in less than 2 years on there's a listen to me patient sleep you know when i was a mere in time the county. they are around one quarter of the students couldn't afford their lunch that's one quarter if you times that proportion to the total population here in taiwan and tell me in fact and i'm right. i'm telling you the fact that's not the facts that's the fact i'm telling you the fact why don't you listen almost no time when he is live on less than $1.00 us dollars a day that's noble part out there that is that really you have a poverty that's growing population out of poverty is different really my definition relative other than to not know who wrote yes relative to every minute

yeah that's my definition and ubiquitous is my donation you live in so i can tell you if any student cannot afford their lunch then he's and his family is living in poverty that's my definition if it all goes wrong here in taiwan and she jinping loses patience and somebody says something they shouldn't say. and china looks as though it's moving towards an invasion would you fight for taiwan. or not where do your loyalties lie mr cho loyal to our country the republic of china well loyal to our constitution you would you fight your show you know yes yes yes if they violate our constitution to preserve and protect our people and defend our people i'll fight against china so she way you're going to have your own culture itself thank you thank you for letting

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