well i guess sometimes i. think deep into the german culture looking at the stereotype cracks in here seem to see from countries that. take this drama. it's all about. join me from the. post. we can make china a peaceful country if you ever said no to beijing yes many times i'm telling you the fact. politicians in taiwan have been out campaigning in presidential primaries ahead of next year's election with the topic of relations with china very much on the agenda i guess this week. chose she way who's been seeking the nomination probe. the. pushes will be increasing

urgency for reunification and the taiwanese continue to reject its. party to offer. a way. thank you very much for inviting me. you said the only way to resolve the antagonism between china and 2 i one is to talk and to love. to know your lover china that is threatening taiwan both verbal and militarily and holding a sword over your head continually how do you love what world does your impression actually if you talk to some chinese in mainland china as long as you don't support separation from china they are not treat you like that they are not attack you

don't say the wrong thing other was right and you know you are normal lives that you think that's a normal way to live there are power across 180 kilometers of the straits as to you if you see the wrong thing you finished why do you think i don't think it's that serious you have to be a series you keep saying i think you have to talk to each other if you try to visit china so call the china we call the mainland ok we are taiwan our mainland we together is a china is a one china war if you think the threats from china is so serious as one why do european people or the people around the world all the members in the e.u. try to work with china try to have dialogue with china try to solve problems it's true that you know that as well as i do it's not a human rights record is there working history we can do that too apart from trade what exactly this democratic time i was having common these days with one party

communist china you have free elections yes you will change your party in power they don't you have independent courts they know you have a free press they don't you can speak out against abuses of power and they can't what on earth have you got in common with mainland china and. i think we should emphasize differences. go there work with them be their friends be their brothers and change instead of being their enemies go there walk with them you can change. whether you are doing with them now what you are concerned about human rights what on earth or in china is that you can change them what on earth is the evidence what you see the trade surplus china with rights you see a lot of changes in hong kong recently while china is not using force to press down the demonstration why the compromise why because they seek opportunity

to prove they can change they came pruitt will come on to hong kong a little later i want to go into some detail on that but the serious issue is the military pressure from china is not even 2 years ago your government's national defense report highlighted concerns that chinese military activity near taiwan posed an enormous threat to security in the taiwan straits now just a few days ago you had washington saying that china stepped up its pressure seen the largest increase in military activity around taiwan for 20 years and you think that's meaningless why us say china is going to interfere in the lecture in tell you why and so us is coming here to interfere in taiwan is it a lecture you happy with these bullying turnout's because that's what they are i'm not happy about bullying thing but i'm not what i was doing i'm happy about you know we can do business with each other we can ask of china to make changes we are

the only people on earth believe that we can make that happen we can make china a peaceful country where you look back at the history who are the invaders who are the invaders japan right who participated the wars in asia. if you want to live in history you want to live in the now i want you to live in the present in modern humans i assure people i want you i want to make history clear those who are doing vader's ok if you want to be someone's enemy then they will be your enemy if you want to be someone's friend always following your ideas because you have friends if only like ok let me tell you one thing while thing why us is selling our 16 to taiwan instead of 35 and the us is selling f. 35 to korea to japan to singapore to other countries why the united states gave the galley island to japan instead of taiwan it was our

territory why the us is doing that to taiwan. kitchen vice president of the taiwan foundation for democracy said last month minimum or taiwanese feel their nation is now on the existential stret and you seem to be out of touch with that feeling totally you don't feel and i think i'll follow the reality i feel the reality i know how to deal with the chinese in mainland. i know what's the fact i know you haven't had to give your you from your home have to do with them as a politician i tried to deal with them when i was the mayor here the depicts the city mayor i work with the city in one gene i try to communicate with them i try to work with them try to ameliorate carbon emission ensues environmental issues education e.c.s. will work with them provided adequate mattick front where they continue to squeeze

you where they ramp up the pressure where they try to persuade countries to drop their recognition diplomatic recognition that you did that you not curiosity china didn't remember this you lost indian 28 $150.00 right to chinese russia you can have an intersection using an engine thankyou you recognize china you don't recognize the republic of china you will recognize me because if i'm going to be about republicans and we were talking about china is taiwan we were the representative of china before 971 and the un i talk. about in history and a sense of comparison you know i'm telling the fact we exist here that the are we seeing is that here and that's what you called the taiwan but you never knew i couldn't that is the hour see here you recognize the p.r.c. right what in the e.u. when i read an article recently we here are 21 china policy as regards to taiwan

and hong kong and i just i think it should be defined like this we are here to one china policy as regards to mainland taiwan hong kong and macau mr. you're not talking about china that continues to thwart taiwan's participation in the international organizations like the world health organization and interpol for instance you want to be members of those organised want to china and i want you to help us is trying to stop it why you agree. you know having like you never criticize china maybe i just have i must pay attention everybody i think when you say dr who i know no i mean trying to read a lot so i didn't say that we read a lot of i have that kind of science to express my opinion about china is no toys are going to set up this is wrong this is what oh yes i have here one more thing the un the e.u. even germany you recognize the p.r.c.

you don't recognize the scene and i truly hope one day you recognize the hour see you know how to participate doubly h. oh ok i and you see the chinese on the lock about you know we have a lot of investigation to try to talk about we were talking as what we should try to promote results didn't he if you have such great reality that can keep it that can do you try to talk to mainland china time they try to sound and try it yet they try to do that us but here's a magic show especially today h. o. and i see a or mr show beijing is clearly losing patience with taiwan where you dream of some vague love in between taipei and the mainland china is crystal clear what it wants from you and that's reunification and it refuses to rule out the use of force to get it doesn't it and you live with that and you normalize that on a daily basis ok in our consciousness aims of not you can't convince you you

couldn't possibly constitution ok there is only one china policy. and that includes mainland taiwan hong kong and in my car that's in our constitution we should by and by our country's constitution rights you're being told by xi jinping as you were in january unification is an inevitable requirement for the great rejuvenation of the chinese people he said taiwan should accept that it must and will be reunited with china whatever talks you've been having with china hasn't got them of the vattel idea and how many people in taiwan want that the unification of under 3 percent there or about that it's going to don't worry about what the reporting about you don't know you've already got people up think but don't worry about their threatening words you're going to stand up to those threatening words what we stand up to you won't we stand up to that but in our research we really

meant iran must and world heavy united with china have enough amounts of money have you tried to take a lot of our constitution have you tried to take a look of loss is to show how long what china saying our laws and in our constitution we want to peaceful relationship we want to unification. the people who go to the people don't that's in our law and the constitution people take that it doesn't matter what they're going to why they want to try to amend the constitution that's your perception our people here want to have a peaceful relationship with the mainland and we want to make money we want to do business together we want to have a democracy in the future in mainland china but not fighting against their own not taking down s. and anime trying to be their friends and the tragic change down by participation president what you do and where do you go that's working so well the reality is mr

joe that beijing's push on unification puts your party the kuomintang into a very difficult position doesn't it your veteran china expert suchi actually said that he said she jinping took away all the space for ambiguity and that puts us the kuomintang in a very difficult situation that difficulty of being with your party is being told get on with this china and you don't have a policy of standing up to it do you do have a policy. i declare dad's claim that i want to unify china i want to unify under taiwan the less chance from your 3000000 people what i want against the current gen is made up that is my partner see i don't see one center so that's concert you have to remember that all 3 are happening. in the world you have to understand the history in the world what's happening now unification separation

yes yes that's the process unification separation separation unification. that's a track of the history but there's one thing very important not i also learned wrongs never mind the track of westerly track of your story is just words there's a track of you know you just know it's the fact the question is what people want to know human nature is that the vast majority of your population do me a favor wants unification to me as i resign or have you ever stood up to china i stand out of your pursuit of them i stand up for our the public of the china have you ever said no to beijing yes for many times what's wrong with human rights issues through yes really yes you can do it when you can manage activities can and then actually acts and they happened that was 30 years ago i'd be told them i had 2 years whenever i went to china i told don't you need to introduce democracy to your society or they're listening you know the u.s. attorney so was you the 1st of the broadest crackdown in 25 years taking place on human rights activists human rights watch reported last year human rights defenders

continue to enjoy arbitrary detention imprisonment and in force disappear yes and you say nothing about that. have you heard i said anything about that i get just now i even told them i even told them because you don't know my history the old in with them i have the many dialogues with them i told them you have to improve that's human rights that's international standards of treating your people i told them to ok i have to tell you one thing if you don't participate if you don't join them if you don't treat them like they can improve their nothing good is going to happen and what i did live here it's a fine line between that and the peace movement isn't a yes it's a very flexible fine line it's very ambiguous but you have to do that from your heart. people know that it's never spoken up for the tiny taiwanese democracy

activists leaving che it's more than living chait's more than 2 years since he was forcibly disappeared you haven't heard of him believe me chair it's more than 2 years since he was forcibly disappeared by police in china's going on province and charge was subversion of state he's a citizen of taiwan you don't talk about you don't even though he's now you know he's in terrible conditions human rights groups around the world have been campaigning for his release not one of our governor sentenced to 5 years in jail can't get phone calls can't get letters 4 times his wife was prevented from from going to china to visit. and you know his rights are being around 20 years ago i tried to talk to chinese communists to release an espionage suspects a lady who just got married and it was released recently i talked to our

government. went down with the ruling party and they didn't step in they didn't try to rescue her she was sentenced to death however in jail for 20 years and just a year ago she was released probably just in this year she was released and look what the people here have done to help human rights you know we should try to work together and we should try to talk to them and what the government here do let's talk about hong kong again you mentioned earlier the view interview and you were you were praising china that they have shown restraint with the demonstration not praising them for that who started this in the 1st place ok that's the law right. for what the demonstrators will tell you that it

was a constant erosion of their freedoms under the one country 2 systems formula that forced them onto the streets anywhere the denial of universal suffrage the kidnapping of booksellers the banning of a political party the prevention of elected legislative council is taking their seats because they didn't like their politics that constant erosion of freedom under the one country 2 systems that's the system that she is offering you one country to nudge them i suggest you take a look what's been happening here in taiwan in the arrow see the ruling party d.p.p. who claimed they would protect human rights there is a minority you know i have to tell when it embarrasses anything happening here that's the reason why it's so embarrassing because our ruling party is trying to marshal law here doing something even worse and there is one lawyer related to

national security you know that's what they are doing here our ruling party here in of course we criticise the hong kong government especially the council tried to establish a law which hong kong residents disagree and it doesn't trust sold that leader you believe is casual that the chief executive kerry lam the chief exec she's beijing's appointing russian history pointy even so-called elected by some hong kong representation is a. more ask how can people ask from people is there democracy is serious system ask on people we come back to the question and this is the one thing is important they were to draw. the last draft right they've suspended it they said it was not they still there it said they've said it's dead they said they would drop because they did something wrong there in the meat i think there's

something proceeding with it but not now that's that's what's happening before now they say they would drop you're satisfied it's over now i'm not satisfied about that i'm worried about what's happening here in taiwan and the one country 2 systems formula that she didn't claim has offered to taiwan we do ads read the that or that's not going to happen that's not going to happen and you mean hong kong is not going to have a different systems from china system isn't the last thing i think the system what should exist because that's the the window shop for chinese they should to show that improvement of democracy to the world how consistent is the show isn't give don't try to violate that it's going to embarrass them just to show isn't a lesson that you should take away from hong kong is that china doesn't live up to its promises of democracy isn't that the lesson i think and i think talking and

wanting i love china i don't live up to the note on this i have to think we should try to change then we should try to improve them you should 1st say no to them one. how do you know i didn't say no to them. doing that i've been doing that for so many years every time i visited china i talked to them i say improve your system especially a democratic system and they step up their interference who won't. look at the propaganda war that's being waged against taiwan a study by the university of gothenburg in sweden said you are one of china's major targets for spreading disinformation happy about direct interference well i think. we are all see so called the taiwan should be more more opened to outside world especially with western society or avoiding we question are doing is this information came here while china is trying to do that but other countries also try

to do that too i think we should take active actions in solving their problems well they're open society but not open enough to the outside world or people of how many english speaking channels here so take a look about how many how much international media are existing here in taiwan we're not exposed enough to the outside world however the politicians here tried to close the door. trying to close you know we are one we. know should we or you we we emphasize local so much instead of internationalization that's what you don't want to see more going on here is who do you know when you really miss ourself 1st you don't want to admit it now we want to improve ourselves too we also want to improve china remember i want to take active active

process active approach to china to make china change. this idea that you could make children. which frankly is pretty much of a long shot why should people vote for your party. well if you're selling fantasies like the one now we're not selling fantasy. be realistic it's a difficult competition one of you trying to realize what p.p.p. can do p.v.p. is the one who came to the real action why don't you take a look what we're fighting for where fighting for true democracy here and the p.c. ruling democracy while trying to build a peaceful relationship with china with the mainland we're trying to create a better society here we're trying to introduce your systems your values here to taiwan we're trying so hard to do that if we want to come dance of people

here that can keep this country perfectly well then we have to respect the democracy we have to open our society to the outside world we have to be honest to our people the bad by our ruling party is cheating our people well the bad news for you is that a plurality of taiwanese 45 percent don't identify with your party or the ruling d.p.p. they're going to take a look at you're right you're right they don't trust the parties here yeah they don't trust us men don't trust them they don't trust our party you're not saying anything that they think is relevant what i believe they're what they're saying is relevance we realise the fact already people don't trust the parties here people don't trust the politicians here which is that what they trust you i mean you you said in the 2nd probably debate some primary do you claim that the number of time when these people below the poverty line was believed to be around 3200000. right

which is suppressed simply not true which is simply not true it's true that if you research all noize actions says taiwan proportionally contains fewer people living in poverty than any other country in asia. now mostly almost no time no i mean i met them in less than 2 years on those on the us and to me patients lee you know when i was the mere entirely counting they are around one quarter of the students couldn't afford their lunch that's one quarter if you times that proportion to the total population here in taiwan and tell me in fact i'm right that's very low i'm telling you the fact that's not the facts that's the fact i'm telling you the fact why don't you listen almost no time when he is live on less than $1.00 us dollars a day that's noble part that you love that does that really you have

a poverty that's growing all over the nation on top of poverty is different really my definition relative ability does not know who wrote yes relative to that in mind yet that's my definition and ubiquitous is my donation you live in so i can tell you if any student cannot afford their lunch then he's and his family is living in poverty that's my definition if it all goes wrong here in taiwan and she jinping loses patience and somebody says something they shouldn't say. and china looks as though it's moving towards an invasion would you fight for taiwan. or not whether your out some other loyalties lie mr cho loyal to our country the republic of china well loyal to our constitution you would you fight your showing yes yes yes if they violate our constitution to preserve and protect our

people and defend our people i'll fight against china so she way you're going to have your own culture itself thank you thank you to. the x x. x x x x x x. x x.

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