i love peter mentioned once again certainly looks like this race like me tried to steal 50 to 50 stories and get each very personal tips on balance a very best. book now. covering with t.w. . we can make china peaceful country who ever said no to beijing yes many times i'm telling you the facts why don't you list the politicians in taiwan being out campaigning in presidential primaries ahead of next year's elections with the topic of relations with china very much on the agenda i guess this week outside the capital taipei chose she way who's been seeking the nomination of hughes probating party the kuomintang as china pushes with increasing urgency for reunification on

the taiwanese continue to reject it while the party got to offer. a way welcome to convert as well and thank you very much for inviting me. you said the only way to resolve the antagonism between china and to i one is to talk and to love. to know your lover china that is threatening taiwan both verbal and militarily and holding a sword over your head continually how do you love the world that's your impression actually if you talk to some chinese in mainland china as long as you don't support separation from china they will not treat you like that they are not attack you don't say the wrong thing other was right and you know you are normal lives that

you think that's a normal way to live there are power across 180 kilometers of the straits as do you if you see the wrong thing you finished why do you think i don't think it's that serious you have to be a series you keep saying i think you have to talk to each other if you try to visit china so call the china we call the mainland ok we are taiwan our mainland we together is that china is a one china war if you think the threats from china is so serious as one why do you european people all the people around the world are all the members in the e.u. try to work with china try to have dialogue with china try to solve problems it's true that you know that as well as i do it's a human rights record is their work and its trade and we can do that too apart from trade what exactly it is democratic time i was having common these days with one

party communist china you have free elections yes you will change your party in power they don't you have independent courts they know you have a free press they don't you can speak out against abuses of power and they can't what on earth have you got in common with mainland china and. i think we should emphasize differences. go there work with them be their friends be their brothers and change that instead of being their enemies go there walk with them you can change like what are you were doing with them now what are you going to do a country about human rights what on earth in china is that you can change them what on earth is the evidence what you see the trade surplus china with rights you see a lot of changes in hong kong recently while china is not using force to press down be demonstration why the compromise why because they seek opportunity to prove they can change they came pruitt will come on to hong kong

a little later i want to go into some detail of that but the serious issue is the military pressure from china is not even 2 years ago your government's national defense report highlighted concerns that chinese military activity near taiwan posed an enormous threat to security in the taiwan states now just a few days ago you had washington saying that china stepped up its pressure in the largest increase in military activity around taiwan for 20 years as you and you think that's meaningless why us say china is going to interfere in a lecture in taiwan soul us is coming here to interfere in taiwan is a lecture you happy with these bullying turnouts because that's what they are i'm not happy about bullying thing but i'm not quite sure i was doing i'm happy about you know we can do business with each other we can't ask of china to make changes we are the only people on earth believe that we can make that happen we can make

china a peaceful country where you look back at the history who are the invaders who are the invaders japan right who participated the wars in asia. if you want to live with history you want to live in the now i want you little you know person in modern humans i assure people i want you i want to make history clear who are the invaders ok if you want to be someone's enemy then they will be your enemy if you want to be someone's friend all if only you know if you can if you have friends if only like ok let me tell you one thing while think why us is selling our 16 to taiwan instead of 35 and the us is selling f. 35 to korea to japan to singapore to other countries why the united states gave the early island to to japan instead of taiwan it was our

territory why the us is doing that to taiwan this show can teach children vice president of the taiwan foundation for democracy said last month that move more taiwanese feel their nation is now on the existential threat and you seem to be out of touch with that feeling totally you don't feel angry i think you know the reality i feel the reality i know how to deal with the chinese in mainland. i know what's the facts i know you have to give your do them you don't have to deal with them as a politician i tried to deal with them when i was the mayor here the depicts the city mayor i work with the city in 19 i try to communicate with them i try to work with them try to ameliorate carbon emission environmental issues education e.c.s. will work with them for about a dozen matic front where they continue to squeeze you where they ramp up the pressure where they try to persuade countries to drop their recognition diplomatic

recognition that you did that you not curiosity china didn't remember this you lost in 1000000028 teams from the right to chinese russia you can have an intersection using an engine thankyou you recognize china you don't recognize the the republic of china you will recognize me because if i'm going to be about republicans and we were talking about china is taiwan we were that representative of china before 971 and the un i talk. about in history and this lady from here are sick you know i'm telling the fact we exist here that the are we seeing is that here and that's what you called the taiwan but you never knew i couldn't that is the hour see here you recognize the p.r.c. right what in the e.u. when i read an article recently we hear 21 china policy as regards to taiwan and hong kong and i say i think you should be defined like this we are here to one

china policy as regards to mainland taiwan hong kong and a markup was to show you're not talking about china that continues to thwart one's participation in the international organizations like the world health organization and interpol for instance you want to be members of those organized want to china and i want you to help us is trying to stop it why you agree. you know having like you never criticize your baby i just as i must get attention everybody i think when you say that everyone no no i mean trying not to read a lot i didn't say that we've read a lot of i have the luxury of science to express my opinion about china as no toys are in the set up this is wrong this is what tell you i have here one more thing the un the e.u. human germany you recognize the p.r.c. you don't recognize the scene and i truly hope one day you'll recognize the hour

see you know how to participate doubly h. o. ok i and you see the chinese on the lock that we have a lot of us they should try to talk we were talking as what we should try to those results i didn t. it gives you such great reality that can't keep it that can't be trying to talk to mainland china time they try to sound trite yet they try to do let us put is a magic show especially the daily h. o. and i see a or mr show beijing is clearly losing patience with taiwan and while you dream of some vague love in between taipei and the mainland china is crystal clear what it wants from you and that's reunification and it refuses to rule out the use of force to get it doesn't it and you live with that and you normalize that on a daily basis ok in our consciousness saying to the not you can't conversely you

couldn't possibly constitution ok there's only one china policy. and that includes mainland taiwan hong kong and michael that's in our constitution we should buy and buy our country's constitutional rights you're being told by xi jinping as you were in january unification is an inevitable requirement for the great rejuvenation of the chinese people he said taiwan should accept that it must and will be reunited with china whatever talks you've been having with china hasn't got them out of the vattel idea and how many people in taiwan want that the unification of under 3 percent there or about going to don't worry about what the reporting about you don't know you've already got people up i think but don't worry about their threatening words why don't you stand up to those threatening words what we stand up to you why don't we stand up to that but in our research you really meant

taiwan must and world and i did with china have you not so much of me have you tried to take a lot of our constitution have you tried to take a look of morse this issue as long as what china is now saying are laws and in our constitution we want to peaceful relationship we want to unification. the people of the people don't that's in our law in the constitution it doesn't matter what their country why they want to try to amend the constitution that's your perception our people here want to have a peaceful relationship with the mainland and we want to make money we want to do business together we want to have a democracy in the future in mainland china but not fighting against them not taking down s. and anomie trying to be their friends and tragic change down by participation past like what you do elsewhere when you go that's working so well as to the reality mr joe that beijing's push on unification puts your party the kuomintang into

a very difficult position doesn't it your veteran china expert suchi actually said that he said she jinping took away all the space for ambiguity and that puts us the kuomintang in a very difficult situation that difficulty being that your party is being told get on with this by china and you don't have a policy of standing up to it do you i do have a policy. i declared that i claim that i want a unified china i want to unify under taiwan the last young chance for many as 3000000 people what i was against the courage of this major that in my capacity i did see one percenters that sponsor you have to remember that all 3 not happen. in the world you have to understand the history in the world what's happening now unification separation yes yes that's the process unification separation

separation unification. that's a track of the history but there's one thing very important not i also learned wrongs never mind the track of westerly track of mystery is just words there's a track of you know you just know and it's the fact the question is what people want to know human nature is that the vast majority of your population to me a favor wants unification to me i know have you ever stood up to china i stand out if you have a semblance of them i stand up for the public of the china have you ever said no to beijing yes for many times what's wrong with human rights issues yes really yes you can do it when you can not exact it was. actually an accident happened that was 30 years ago i'd be told them i had 2 years whenever i went to china i told them you need to introduce democracy to your society or they're listening yes really isn't it so i see the 1st of the world is crackdown in 25 years taking place on human rights activists human rights watch reported last year human rights defenders

continue to enjoy arbitrary detention imprisonment and force disappear yes and you say nothing about that. have you heard i said anything about that i get just now i even told them i even told them because you don't know my history the old in with them i have the many dialogues with them i told them you have to improve that's human rights that's international standards of treating your people i told them to ok i have to tell you one thing if you don't participate if you don't join them if you don't treat them like they can improve there nothing good is going to happen you know what i did live here it's a fine line between that the peace movement isn't a yes it's a very flexible fine line it's very ambiguous but you have to do that from your heart. people know that it's ever spoken up for the tiny taiwanese democracy activists leaning it's more than leaning chait's more than 2 years since he was

forcibly disappeared you haven't heard of him believe me chair it's more than 2 years since he was forcibly disappeared by police in china's grown province and charges subversion of state power he's a citizen of taiwan you don't talk about you don't even know he's let me know he's in terrible conditions human rights groups around the world have been campaigning for his release not one of our governor sentenced to 5 years in jail can't get phone calls can't get letters 4 times his wife was prevented from from going to china to visit. and you know his rights are being around 20 years ago i tried to talk to chinese commoners to release and as suspects a lady who just got married and it was released recently i talked to our government. went down was the ruling party and they didn't step in they didn't

try to rescue her she was sentenced to death however in jail for 20 years and just a year ago she was released probably just in this year she was released and look what the people here have done to help human rights you know we should try to work together and we should try to talk to them and what the government here do let's talk about hong kong again you mentioned earlier the interview and you were you were praising china that they had shown restraint with the demonstration not praising them for that who started this in the 1st place ok that's the law right. for what the demonstrators will tell you that it was a constant erosion of their freedoms under the one country 2 systems for me that

forced them onto the streets anywhere the denial of universal suffrage the kidnapping of booksellers the banning of a political party the prevention of elected legislative council is taking their seats because they didn't like the politics that constant erosion of freedom under the one country 2 systems that's the system that she jinping is offering you one country to nudge them i suggest you take a look what's been happening here in taiwan in the hours see the ruling party p.p.p. who claimed they would protect human rights if there is a minority you know i have to say i was embarrassing thing happening here that's the reason why it's so embarrassing because our ruling party is trying to martial law here doing something even worse and there is one law related to national security you know that's what they are doing here our ruling party here in

a while of course we criticise the hong kong government especially the council tried to push a law which your hong kong residents disagree and that doesn't trust sold out the show you the latest challenge that show that the chief executive you blamed kerry lamb the chief exec she's beijing's appointee russian history of the of pointy even so-called elected by some hong kong representation is. more ask hong kong people as calm people it's their democracy it's serious system as can compete let me come back to the question and this is the one thing is important they were to draw. a lot draft rights they've suspended they said it was not they still there it said they've said it's dead and said they would drop because they did something wrong there in the meat i think there's something proceeding with it but not now that's that's what's happening before now they said they would drop

you're satisfied it's over now i'm not satisfied about that i'm worried about what's happening here in taiwan and the one country 2 systems formula that she jinping has offered to taiwan we do ads read the that or that's not going to happen that's not going to happen then you mean hong kong is not going to have different systems from china system isn't the last thing i think the system what should exist because that's the the window shop for chinese they should show that improvement of democracy to the world hong kong system and the show is a given don't try to violate that it's going to embarrass them just to show isn't a lesson that you should take away from hong kong is that china doesn't live up to its promises of democracy isn't that the lesson i think and i think talking and one thing i love china i don't live up to the note on this i do think we should try

to change then we should try to improve them you should 1st say no to them well how do you know i didn't say no to them. doing that i've been doing that for so many years every time i visited china i talked to them. i say improve your system especially a democratic system and they step up their interference with all of them look at the propaganda war that's being waged against taiwan a study by the university of gothenburg in sweden said you are one of china's major targets for spreading disinformation happy about direct interference well i think. we all see so called the taiwan should be more more opened to outside world especially western society or avoiding we question are doing is just information you hear what china is trying to do that but other countries also try to do that

too i think we should take active actions in solving their problems where are their open society but not open enough to the outside world or people of how many english speaking channels here so take a look about how many how much international media existing here in taiwan were not exposed enough to the outside world however the politicians here tried to close the door china trying not close you know we china one we. know who we or you we we emphasize local so much instead of internationalization that's what you don't want to see more going on here is who do you know when you really miss ourself 1st you don't want to admit it now we want to improve ourselves too we also want to improve china remember i want to take active active process active approach to china to make china change this idea that you can make

sure the chile which frankly is pretty much of a long shot why should people vote for your purty. well if you're selling fantasies like that why no one are selling fantasy. be realistic it's a difficult competition. why don't you try to realize what p.p.p. can do p.v.p. is the one who came to the really action why don't you take a look what we're fighting for where fighting for true democracy here and keep the ruling democracy we're trying to build a peaceful relationship with china with the mainland we're trying to create a better society here we're trying to introduce your systems your values here to taiwan we're trying so hard to do that if we want to convents of people

here that can keep this country perfectly well then we have to respect the democracy we have to open our society to the outside world we have to be honest to our people the bad but our ruling party is cheating our people well the bad news for you is that a plurality of taiwanese 45 percent don't identify with your party or the ruling d.p.p. do going to take a look at you're right you're right they don't trust the parties here yeah they don't trust us they don't trust them they don't trust our party you're not saying anything that they think is relevant what i believe they're what they are saying its relevance we realise the fact already people don't trust the parties here people don't trust the politicians here which is right with their trust you i mean you you said in the 2nd probably debate primary you claim that the number of times when these people below the poverty line was believed to be around 3800000. which

is a fact simply not true simply not true it's true that your research no lies ations says taiwan proportionally contains fewer people living in poverty than any other country and i know nobody of almost no time no i mean i met them in less than 2 years on there's an interesting to me patients lee you know when i was the me here in tempe county. they are around one quarter of the students could afford their lunch that's one quarter if you times that proportion to the total population here in taiwan and tell me in fact and i'm right. i'm telling you the fact that's not the facts that's the fact i'm telling you the fact why don't you listen almost no time when he is live on less than $1.00 u.s. dollars a day that's noble point out there that is that really you have a poverty that's growing all over the nation of poverty is different really my

definition of what you are going to not know who wrote yes relative to every minute yeah that's my definition and ubiquitous as my donation i can tell you if any student cannot afford their lunch then he's and his family is living in poverty that's my definition if it all goes wrong here in taiwan and she didn't bring loses patience and somebody says something they shouldn't say. and china looks as though it's moving towards an invasion would you fight for taiwan. or not where do your ultimate loyalties lie mr cho loyal to our country the republic of china well loyal to our constitution you would you fight your show you yes yes yes if they violated our constitution to preserve and protect our people and defend our people i'll fight against china so she way you're going to

have your own comfort zone thank you thank you very much thanks thanks thanks thanks thanks thanks thanks.

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