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important for the physically. living but it's true for. free or for a word for. word of. what happens free of food. go figure but that. and the beginning and the end of everything there is light. and god said let there be light and there was light. the light the crowning achievement of creation represents consciousness. without light there is no vision without light there is no light without light there is no art.
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james jarell uses light to create art to rel is not a god but many consider him one of our greatest contemporary artists his works don't simply make use of light they are light itself. is installations bay the viewer in light. you lose your orientation as if in a heavy fog. outlines disappear. everything dissolves into color. the critter going to museum unbutton bad news posting to real retrospective the largest ever seen in europe. seems to roll seldom gives interviews but at the museum we talk to him at length. 75 years old now he rarely
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travels to these kinds of exhibitions which are held all over the world. under siege and focused on the main theme of his work the secrets of light. mist that are out and when and how did you 1st realize that the well this is all about flights i don't know that they can tell you anything about religion or are scientists but i do know that a lot of art is about light if you look at just the history of art in our you know our culture it's littered with people who are depicting light in amazing ways and using it for the staging of the drama of of our living and what we do rather than depicted i want to use light itself. but that may make for some sort of staging and certainly more installation kinds of work and he said to your enough to depicting life the work is lights and could you explain the difference i like that quality of
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it which has to do with the title of the show the substance of light the thing most of light we're talking about actually light being a thing of substance. and we have pieces here where you realize in order to see the walls which you can see you're looking through something and the slight residing in the space is no different than say walking through the forest and you see a beam of light come down that illuminates the atmosphere the air and left that you see this beaming. in space i mean you're not just seeing it on the surface of the ground or things like have you actually are seeing a slight sexy inhabiting his face. james to real shows us how do you light from a different perspective light is to him what paint is to a painter it's raw material. that was some difficulty because you know with
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life you don't form much like clay with the hands you don't carve it away like. you know wood or stone you actually have to relive it almost like you do with music so you have to make instruments it does that. there are times in your apartment you can play well wagner is a good example. you play this music and suddenly the. space sure it is much larger. sound and hear light extends a space. that's what you're building your building with friend of space making material. i.
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james to rails are can be both bewildering and moving is something you experience. at 1st glance this may seem like a projected image but it is in fact a space guns felt. viewers are gradually drawn into the space and they begin to wonder where my. and where am i. and let's take a look at the guns for it's serious for instance there is no focus really no object or you or the other for interest in the object. and yet it's interesting what what are we left with when there is no no focus wall or for no no focus no object
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no thing and basically we're we are entering this new. landscape which is the landscape with horizon and you see that when you get the white out while skiing you can see it. all flying when you enter the cloud and after you gauge an instrument flying. also when you dive there are times when you don't know where that you know which way is up is just by watching your bubbles. and we are entering this new realm now and we're learning to navigate it so i'm
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very interested in this new landscape and how we feel within it and how light helps to build that space but what do you think what are we doing to find out about ourselves in that new space. well for us well just balance is interesting because we use horizon so much for balance. and even on a boat you know you get seasick if you go down below and you don't have a rising you come up with on deck and you look at horizon you can study the stomach more easily so that we have been for a long time using this idea of horizon if you're a pilot and you do aerobatics at 1st you can feel this elaborate and then. this actually. charges here you actually want to experience that you want to feel
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that and it actually has a good feeling and that's when you know that you're you're beginning to be able to navigate this this realm this new realm he said that i am the object in your work and how do i see myself seeing how does that work well you are literally investigating your your scene and it's not so much my seeing that i present to you and then you can go and. with that knowledge put it into your saying this is actually it's about you're seeing directly as you experience it so you get a chance to discover it for yourself it's not a discovery of mine so my sis it is becomes your discovery that's what i hope anyway. james trail is also an experienced pilot and he made a key just covering one day while flying he became aware of the majestic scope and beauty of the sky. he has created sky escapes all over the world.
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these chambers provide viewers with a new visual perspective on the heavens the universe and eternity. this is the museum in the n.d.s. mountains of argentina it was funded by the swiss entrepreneur of arts patron donald hess. the newseum stands 2300 meters above sea level fully isolated from the rest of the world. in this place nature often stages its own light ships. when did you really fall in love with the sky as a pilot will certainly as opposed to because. those who supports you and i mean it is this atmosphere that you are swimming in and of course it is life like
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water it is it has substance and it has changes as you see whether come or light involved with that atmosphere and that's what fish are quite beautiful and people experience that coming over from the u.s. to europe as you wake up and you go into the the morning that you're headed in to her suppose you're up there with the best seat in the house. and but yours is good enough i mean off to the side it really is amazing what happens as you approach the continent here and so i've always enjoyed that flight you say that you can even change the color of the sky and how do you do that i'm not changing the color of the sky but i'm i'm changing your context a vision which give you a different color to the sky to make it any color you like and some of the sky
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spaces but. that has more to do with you know how we form our perception of me we the sky is blue because we have give it that color we awarded that color because we do that means that and then we can change it so. that's not difficult to do. but i mean the and people are surprised by that because it's essentially we feel we receive everything that we're not a part of that we behold and we're definitely a part of that we behold so and that's one thing the artist can do is sort of give you the general cohen to tell you well you know you're making this reality within which you live. so it's nice to be aware of it. and it was from the air the james to rail discovered what would become his greatest artistic achievement. this is the road in the crater in arizona. she
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really has built a kind of observatory inside the crater to sleep if underground shafts and tunnels he's been working on this project for for decades and it's still not complete here charlie experiments not only with lights but also with sound and acoustics. the spaces are sensitive to light and sound. it's almost. difficult to make without because once you make the sensor light. it's very bright to start so you can take your new call if you can take it in. a visit to the crater is an experience that almost overwhelms the senses. so this is something where you were within the earth but above it and so this you know taking soulful into this in the sky is something very very interesting in all the faces i may have
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access to the sky and to read a book. and you know one of things we rarely do is if you are in new york and you watch people from just the 2nd floor of hardly anybody looks up. it's a mixing so part of this is just sort of redirect your vision and also very few realize there's the whole world that's above us. and that we have access to it. today cherelle lives and works in flagstaff arizona a town with a population of about 65000. well hello. ma. it's gentle. flagstaff is cold in winter and hot in summer. james terrelle was born in los angeles california about 600 kilometers west of here . oh. i get it i'm. doing fine. i think there must be
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something special about the light of california how did you perceive flied when you were a child. well children oriental light and you do that in the crib and here you will look to it and something that really helps orient of this. and i mean california is not that different than say south of france or or italy or spain. the thing that is very interesting though is a lot of people who freesheet light are from areas where it's it is not as prevalent and more precious and so you know you have costs of all you have turner amazing very prescient artists just for david friedrich the dutch school all the painters of light from norway and sweden. and
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petra very who came to germany to study art. you know where it's more appreciated words more precious. when james tarell frames light as in a painting he's following a centuries old tradition of western art. from the grow period to modern times artists have been captivated by the power of light. light can bring a scene to life increase its dramatic effect and focus the viewer's attention. in 17th century the use of light transformed the world of art. for the 1st time artists used like to highlight from early photographs. in the 20th century photography became the preferred medium for experimenting with
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light gifted photographers like man ray made substantial contributions to this art form. one of today's most important artists care how it reached her has found new ways to use light is still life skull with candle plays with our perceptions. the images are interesting blurred shimmering nothing is as it seems. james to rail uses many of these same effect in his works images blend into one another playing tricks on the viewer's imagination. in college to real study psychology mathematics and astronomy these disciplines are reflected in his work a sophisticated attempt to alter our sense of perception one might said you're even more than an artist you're a kind of a philosopher a spiritual guy maybe a scientist how do you see yourself as an artist i mean as i say this is not things
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that inform science. i'm informed by science an interesting point is that life is also used in para p. and one of your pieces is called the healing light yeah so it's kind of a healing experience well i do try to balance it in terms of the frequencies if you stay in the exhibition so it has kind of all color but you know the the energy of system is this is keyed off of exposures or light and so people call that the shocker is you just call it uniform system that's fine but it is something that is physically us and so we do orient to these things and do it healing from that i was wondering and to what extent at least experience is spiritual i mean light is also a universal symbol for the divine each and every human being yes and artists
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have been involved with religion since day one. making work that supports the uses and everything here and in europe i mean it's quite amazing what artists did. and how they were involved with the church and also problem for the church it seems that you were inspired by the you can make it if you take a meditative quality of light because you know you do go inside to greet the light in meditation and you know get that visual purple and you'll get the beginning of that as you enter meditation so we are followed by light we carry it within us so there never is no life. even when you're. inside. you know a deprivation cell. your find that there is life just close your eyes here or you will enter a life full realm of eventually. i mean we do have
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a slight inside and. we're orient to it and. you know this is a visual mantra. chuck rosen visual mantras james to rails works reflect his interest in eastern mysticism but they're by no means esoteric. his parents were devout quakers a form of christianity that believes there is good in everyone and that we all have a direct connection to god. sitting in silence in quaker meeting to rail learned his child to come to a place of peace in the quiet. he was raised to find the divine light in every person. this is the door to cemetery in central berlin philosopher georg hazel and author and playwright virgil bright star among those buried here. a few years ago terrelle transformed the chapel here with an installation that took full advantage of the
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twilight hours. a room without shadows filled with changing colors. the altar is a cube of acrylic less. outfitted with l.e.d.s. that make it a central source of light. very much in line with the traditional christian concept of god as creator and the source of divine light. here unlike into roles guns filled works the contours remain sharply defined so that viewers maintain proper orientation. a space in which one remembers the souls of
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the dead. christians are invited to reflect on their belief in eternal life. some may find comfort in the idea that life will not end in darkness but in light light is present at the beginning and at the end of life. at last i'd like to know if there's a lives that you love and maybe a life that you hate. well. i mean i appreciate it all i don't have any that are. one of the things i like to do is to give. light like i've seen in the dream. this is basically a different light than we normally have there were normally involved with in the conscious awake state and what does this light come from in the dream is that memory well. part of it could be memory yes that is replayed but then the truth is
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we are often involved in experiences that we find later. in what we call the conscious await the waking state or life. as in deja vu so. it's not all memory. which is quite interesting and curious. has the light come from a word does the light come from in the dream and what where does it come from. and it. is something we definitely experience. and it is powerful the dreams are most powerful when we have the dreams and color of course and often when they are this kind of dream it is not from memory but from. experiences that are to come the lucid dream this is quite amazing and most people have had one but that's not just having one it's having one that they remembered
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because we often wake up and from the moment of awakening the dream is leaving us and so we're trying to hold on to it but you know we can do that a bit with art by making life it's very similar to how we see light in the dream. because it's not know how we not only see light. but but again it's not unknown to us which i find very fascinating. thank you very much you're very welcome. gives us a key that unlocks the door to the subconscious mind is installations are like finding yourself in a vivid dream in which spatial boundaries are blurred. lights like music has the power to alter our perceptions of space. to the point where we perceive to a limited extent a sense of infinity play
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. and that's what it looks like when you paint on a living in canada will be finding out later just how much work goes into making a human work of art. and with that very warm welcome.

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