one can be harmful. in 60 minutes. but will not succeed in dividing not succeed in taking the people off the streets because we're tired of this dictatorship. taking a stand global news that matters. made from minds. we can make china peaceful country you haven't said no to beijing yes for many times i'm telling you the facts why don't you listen politicians in taiwan have been out campaigning in presidential primaries ahead of next year's elections with the topic of relations with china very much on the agenda i guess this week outside the taipei. way who's been seeking the nomination of probating party

the kuomintang as china pushes with increasing urgency for reunification and the taiwanese continue to reject it what on earth party to offer. welcome. thank you very much for inviting me. you said the only way to resolve the antagonism between china and to i one is to talk and to love. to know your lover china that is threatening taiwan both verbal and militarily and holding a sword over your head continually how do you love what world that's your impression actually if you talk to some chinese in mainland china as long as you don't support separation from china they will not treat you like that they are not

attack you also then say the wrong thing another was to write write and you know you are normalize that you think that's a normal way to live that a pirate across 180 kilometers of the strait says to you if you say the wrong thing you finished why do you think i don't think it's that serious you have to be serious you know keep saying i think you have to talk to each other if you try to visit china so call the china we call the mainland ok we are taiwan our mainland we together is a china is a one china war if you think the threats from china is so serious as i one why do european people all the people around the world are all the members up in the e.u. then try to work with china try to have dialogue with china try to solve problems it's true that you know that as well as i do it's not a human rights record is their work and it's great we can do that too apart from

trade what exactly does democratic taiwan have been common these days with one party communist china you have free elections yes you will change your party in power they don't you have independent courts they know you have a free press they don't you can speak out against abuses of power and they can't what on earth have you got in common with mainland china these days i think we should emphasize differences. go there work with them be their friends be their brothers and change instead of being their enemies go there walk with them you can change them like what do you were doing with them now what are you going to do a country of our human rights what i'm not doing china is that you can change them what on earth is the evidence what you see the trade surplus china with malin rights you see a lot of changes in hong kong recently why china is not using force to press down be demonstration why they compromise why because they seek opportunity

to prove they can change they came pruitt will come on to hong kong a little later i want to go into some detail of that but the serious issue is the military pressure from china is not even 2 years ago your government's national defense report highlighted concerns that chinese military activity near taiwan posed an enormous threat to security in the taiwan straits now just a few days ago you had washington saying that china stepped up its pressure seeing the largest increase in military activity around taiwan for 20 years as you and you think that's meaningless why us say china is going to interfere in the election in taiwan sold us as coming here to interfere in taiwan is a lecture you happy with these bullying time not because i know what they are i'm not happy about bullying thing but i know what i was doing i'm happy about you know

we can do business with each other we can't ask of china to make changes we are the only people on earth believe that we can make that happen we can make china a peaceful country where you you look back at the history who are the invaders who are the invaders japan right who participated the wars in asia. if you want to live in history you want to live in the now i want you live you know person in modern humans i assure people i want you i want to make history clear who are the invaders ok if you want to be someone's enemy then they will be your enemy if you want to be someone's friend always phone you even if you have friends if only like ok let me tell you one wild thing why us is selling out 16 to taiwan instead of $35.00 and the us is selling f. $35.00 to korea to japan to singapore to other countries why the united states

gave the early island to i to japan instead of taiwan it was our territory why the us is doing that to taiwan this show kitty chose vice president of the taiwan foundation for democracy said last month to move on to more taiwanese feel their nation is now under existential stret and you seem to be out of touch with that feeling totally you know feeling very fluid the reality i feel the reality i know how to deal with the chinese in mainland. i know what's the facts i know you have you have to give your do from you how long have to deal with them as a politician i tried to deal with them when i was the mayor here at the the big city mayor i work with the city in one gene i try to communicate with them i try to work with them try to ameliorate carbon emission environmental issues

education will work with them to validate the magic front where they continue to squeeze you where they ramp up the pressure where they try to persuade countries to drop their recognition diplomatic recognition that you did that you not curious that china didn't remember this you lost in 1000000028 teams from right to chinese russia you are now back into 2nd using an engine fake you you recognize china you don't recognize the the republic of china you will recognize me because i'm going to be about republicans and we were talking about china is taiwan we were their representative of china before 971 and the un i talked. about if you strip and this is going to be artistic you know i'm telling the fact we exist here that the are we seeing is that here and that's what you called the taiwan but you never knew i could not is the hour see here you recognize the p.r.c. writes what in the e.u. when i read an article recently we here are 21 china policy as regards to taiwan

and hong kong and ice i think it should be defined like this we are here to one china policy as regards to mainland taiwan hong kong and a mockup was to show you're not talking about china that continues to thwart one's participation to the national organizations like the world health organization and interpol for instance you want to be members of those organised want to china and china if you want to help us is trying to stop it why you agree. as you know being asked why do you never criticize your maybe i just have to get attention everybody i think when you say dr who i know no meantime i need to know did you read the letter i didn't say that we've read a lot of i have the luxury of science to express my opinion about china's notorious guardian and set up this is wrong this is material i have here one more thing the un the e.u.

even germany you recognize the p.r.c. you don't recognize the scene and i truly hope one day you recognize the hour see you know how to participate doubly h. o. ok i and you see the chinese are the lucky that we have a lot of investigation to try to tell them you are talking as what we should try to realize results i didn t. it is such great reality that can keep it that can t. try to talk to mainland china time they tried and sounded trite yet they tried to do let us part is that mr cho especially the daily h o n i c a or mr show beijing is clearly losing patience with taiwan and while you dream of some vague love in between taipei and the mainland china is crystal clear what it wants from you and that's reunification and it refuses to rule out the use of force to get it doesn't it and you live with that and you normalize that on

a daily basis ok in our constantly saying to the not you can't come dancing you couldn't possibly constitution ok there is only one china policy. and that includes mainland taiwan hong kong and michael that's in our constitution we should by and by our country's constitution are right you're being told by xi jinping as you were in january unification is an inevitable requirement for the great rejuvenation of the chinese people he said taiwan should accept that it must and will be reunited with china whatever talks you've been having with china hasn't got them out of the vat idea and how many people in taiwan want that the unification of under 3 percent there or about that i'm going to talk more about what the rand paul thing about you don't know about what a lot of people up i think but don't worry about their threatening ver words when

you stand up to those threatening words what we stand up to you why don't we stand up to that but in our research remember dr brown must and well ok and i did with john have you have them out to me have you tried to take a lot of our constitution have you tried to take a look of loss to show you our last word china saying our laws and in our constitution we want to peaceful relationship we want to unification. the people the people dogs that's in our law in the constitution it doesn't matter what their country why they want and try to amend the constitution that's your perception our people here want to have a peaceful relationship with the mainland and we want to make money we want to do business together we want to have a democracy in the future in mainland china but not fighting against them not taking down s. and anomie trying to be their friends and tragic change them by participation

perhaps like what you do and where do you go that's working so well the the reality is mr joe the beijing's push on unification puts your party the kuomintang into a very difficult position doesn't it your veteran china expert suchi actually said that he said she jinping took away all the space for ambiguity and that puts us the kuomintang in a very difficult situation that difficulty being that your party is being told get on with this by china and you don't have a policy of standing up to it do you do have a policy. i declared that i claim that i want a unified china i want to unify under taiwan less young chance from your 3000000 people what i was against these are bad encourages me that is my parsi i that's one percent or so it's fantasy you have to remember there are 3 that happen and i know in the world you have to understand the history in the world what's happening now

unification separation yes yes that's the process unification separation separation unification. that's a track of the history but there's one thing very important i also learned wrongs never mind the track of westerly track of history is just words there's a track of you know you just know it's the fact the question is what people want to know human nature is that the vast majority of your population do me a favor wants unification do me a favor i know have you ever stood up to china i stand out if you have a sin to answer them i stand up for the public of the china have you ever said no to beijing yes for many times what's wrong with human rights issues yes really yes you can do it when cracking down when you know the facts of what is can know and then accident happened 730 years ago i'd be told them i had 2 years whenever i went to china i told them you need to introduce democracy to your society or they're listening you know the u.s. attorney so was he the 1st of the broadest crackdown in 25 years taking place on

human rights activists human rights watch reported last year human rights defenders continue to enjoy arbitrary detention imprisonment and force disappear yes and you say nothing about that. have you heard i said anything about that i get just now i even told them i even told them because you don't know my history building with them i have the many dialogues with them i told them you have to improve that's human rights that's international standards of treating your people i told them to ok i have to tell you one thing if you don't participate if you don't join them if you don't treat them like they can improve their nothing good is going to happen you know what i'm blind here it's a fine line between that and the peace movement isn't it yes it's a very flexible and fine line it's very ambiguous but you have to do that from your heart. people know that but never spoken up for the tiny taiwanese democracy

activists leming che it's more than human chains more than 2 years since he was forcibly disappeared you haven't heard of him please chair it's more than 2 years since he was forcibly disappeared by police in china's province and charges subversion of state power he's a citizen of taiwan you don't talk about you don't even know he's let me know he's in terrible conditions human rights groups around the world have been campaigning for his release you know one of our garvey sentenced to 5 years in jail can't get phone calls can't get letters 4 times his wife was prevented from from going to visit. and you know his rights of being in iraq iran 20 years ago i tried to talk to chinese communists to release and as peter naish suspects a lady who just got married and was released recently i talked to our

government. went down with the ruling party and they didn't step in they didn't try to rescue her she was sentenced to death however in jail for 20 years and just a year ago she was released probably just to be in this year she was released and look what the people here have done to help human rights you know we should try to work together and we should try to talk to them and what the government here do let's talk about hong kong again you mentioned earlier a lot of the interview and you were you were praising china that they had shown restraint with the demonstration not praising them for that who started this in the 1st place ok that's the law right. for what the demonstrators will tell you that it

was a constant erosion of their freedoms under the one country 2 systems formula that forced them onto the streets anywhere the denial of universal suffrage the kidnapping of booksellers the banning of a political party. the prevention of elected legislative council is taking their seats because they didn't like the politics that constant erosion of freedom under the one country 2 systems that's the system that she is offering you one country 2 systems i suggest you take a look what's been happening here in taiwan in the arrow see the ruling party p.p.p. who claimed they would protect human rights if there is a minority you know i have to tell when it embarrasses anything happening here that's the reason why it's so embarrassing because our ruling party is trying to marshal law here doing something even worse and there is one law related to

national security you know that's what they are doing here our ruling party here. of course we created size the hong kong government especially the council tried to establish a law which your hong kong residents disagree and doesn't trust so that the show you the latest heritage of that the chief executive you carry lam the chief exec she's beijing's appointee because russian history pointy even so-called elected by some hong kong representation is. more ask hong kong people. that's come from people is there democracy is serious system asking from people we come back to the question and this is the one thing is important they withdraw the last draft right they've suspended it they said it was not they still there said they said it's dead they said they would drop because they did something wrong then

the minute i think there's something preceding with it but not now that's that's what's happening before now they say they would drop you're satisfied it's over now i'm not satisfied about that i'm worried about what's happening here in taiwan and the one country 2 systems formula that she jinping has offered to taiwan we don't read the that or that's not going to happen that's not going to happen then you mean hong kong is not going to have a different systems from china system isn't the last thing i think the system what should exist because that's the the window shop for chinese they should to show that improvement of democracy to the world hong kong system as it should isn't give don't try to violate that it's going to embarrass them just to show isn't a lesson that you should take away from hong kong is that china doesn't live up to its promises of democracy isn't that the lesson i think and i think talking and

one thing i love china i don't live up to the note on this i do think we should try to change then we should try to improve them you should 1st say no to them one how do you know i didn't say no to them. doing that i've been doing that for so many years every time i visited china i talked to them. i think improve your system especially a democratic system and they step up their interference well. look at the propaganda war that's being waged against taiwan a study by the university of gothenburg in sweden said you're one of china's major targets for spreading disinformation happy about direct interference well i think. we all see so called the taiwan should be more more opened to outside world especially western society are avoiding we question are doing is this information

came here while china is trying to do that but other countries also try to do that too i think we should take active actions in solving their problems well they're open society but not open enough to the outside world to take a look how many english speaking channels here take a look about how many how much international media are existing here in taiwan we're not exposed enough to the outside world however the politicians here tried to close the door. trying to close you know we are one we. know who we or you we we emphasize local so much instead of internationalization that's what you don't want to see more going on here so do you know when you really miss ourself 1st you don't want to admit it now we want to improve ourselves too we also want to improve china remember i want to take active active process

active approach to china to make china change this idea that you can make children . which frankly is pretty much of a long shot why should people vote for your party next year well if you're selling fantasies like that why no we're not selling fantasy. be realistic it's a difficult competition. why don't you try to realize what p.p.p. can do p.v.p. is the real. the real action why don't you take a look what we're fighting for we're fighting for true democracy here and the rule in democracy we're trying to build up peaceful relationship with china with the mainland we're trying to create a better society here we're trying to introduce your systems your values

here to taiwan we're trying so hard to do that if we want to come dance of people here that can keep this country perfectly well then we have to respect the democracy we have to open our society to the outside world we have to be honest to our people the bad but our ruling party is cheating our people well the bad news for you is that a plurality of taiwanese 45 percent don't identify with your party or the ruling d.p.p. do take a look take a look at you're right you're right they don't trust the parties here yeah trust us don't trust them they don't trust our party you're not saying anything that they think is relevant what i believe what they are saying is relevance we realise the fact already people don't trust the parties here people don't trust the politicians here which is that what they trust you i mean you you said in the 2nd probably debate the primary do you claim that the number of times when these people below

the poverty line was believed to be around 3800000. which is a fact simply not true it's simply not true it's true that your research i know essentially says taiwan proportionally contains fewer people living in poverty than any other country in asia now now because you're almost no time no i mean i met them on less than 2 years on there's an interesting to me patience leigh you know when i was the mere entirely county. they are around one quarter of the students can afford their lunch that's one quarter if you times that proportion to the total population here in taiwan i'm telling you the facts and i'm right. i'm telling you the fact that's not the facts that's the fact i'm telling you the fact why don't you listen almost no time when he is live on less than $1.00 us dollars

a day that's noble part as to the dad that is that really you have a poverty that's growing population of poverty is different really my definition of what you are that is not know you right yes relative to every minute yet that's my definition and ubiquitous is my donation you live in so i can tell you if any student cannot afford their lunch then he's and his family is living in poverty that's my definition if it all goes wrong here in taiwan and she didn't bring loses patience and somebody says something they shouldn't say. and china looks as though it's moving towards an invasion would you fight for taiwan. or not whether your out somewhat loyalties lie mr cho loyal to our country the republic of china well loyal to our constitution you would you fight your show you yes yes yes if they violate our constitution to preserve and protect our

people and defend our people i'll fight against china so she way you're going to have your own comfort zone thank you. as the x x x o x x x x x.

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