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at the beginning and the end of everything there is light. and god said let there be light and there was light. the light the crowning achievement of creation represents consciousness without light there is no vision without light there is no light without light there is no art. james to rail uses light to create art to real is not a god but many consider him one of our greatest contemporary artists his works don't simply make use of light they are light itself. these installations bay the viewer in light. you lose your orientation as if in a heavy fog. outlines disappear. everything dissolves into color.

3 you're going to museum in posting retrospective the largest ever seen a year. seldom gives interviews but at the museum we talked to him at length. 75 years old now he rarely travels to these kinds of exhibitions which are held all over the world. our conversation focused on the main theme of his work the secrets of light. mist that are out when and how did you 1st realize that the world is all about flights i don't know the brain can tell you anything about religion or or science but i do know that you know a lot of artists about like if you look at just the history of art in our you know

our culture is littered with people who are depicting life in amazing ways and using it for the staging of the drama of of our living and what we do rather than depicted i want to use life itself. but that may be made for some sort of staging and certainly more insulation kinds of work as he said you're not to depicting life the work is light and could you explain the difference i like that quality of it which has to do with the title of the show the substance of light the thing the supply we're talking about actually light being a thing. substances. i mean have pieces here where you realize in order to see the walls what you can see you're looking through something. and the slight residing in the spaces is so different than say walking through the forest and you see

a beam of light come down that illuminates the atmosphere or the air and nuff that you see this me. in in space i mean you're not just seeing it on the surface of the of the ground or things like have you actually are seeing this light is actually inhabiting the space. to real shows us how do you light from a different perspective light is to him what paint is to a painter it's raw material. that was some difficulty because you know with light you don't form a flight clay with the hands you don't carve it away like. you know wood or stone you actually have to build it almost like you do with music so you have to make instruments it does that. there are times in your apartment you can play well wagner is

a good example. you play this music and suddenly the. space sure it is much larger. sound and hear light extends a space. that's what you're building building with kind of making material. i. james 2 rails are can be both bewildering and moving it's something you experience . at 1st glance this may seem like a projected image but it is in fact

a space guns felt. viewers are gradually drawn into the space and they begin to wonder where my. head where am i. and let's take a look at the guns for it serious for instance and there is no focus rain or snow on the object or your of the other for interest i am the object. and yet it's interesting what's what are we left with when there is no no focus mall or for no no focus no object no thing and basically we're we're entering this new. landscape which is the landscape with horizon and you see that when you get the white out while skiing you can see it. all flying when you enter the cloud and. gauge an instrument flying.

also when you dive there are times when you don't know where that you know which way is up is just by watching your bubbles. and we are entering this new realm now and we're learning to navigate it so i'm very interested in this new landscape and how we feel within it and how the light helps to build that space but what do you think what are we doing to find out about ourselves in that new space. well for us well just balance is interesting because we use horizon so much for balance. and even on a boat you know you get seasick if you go down below and you don't have

a rise in you come up with on deck and you look at horizon you can study the stomach more easily so that we have been for a long time using this idea of horizon if you're a pilot and you do aerobatics at 1st you can feel this it deliberate and then. this actually. charges here you actually want to experience that you want to feel that and it actually has a good feeling and that's when you know that you're you're beginning to be able to navigate this this realm this new realm you set that i am the object in your work and how do i see myself seeing how does that work well you are literally investigating your your scene and it's not so much my seeing that i present to you and then you can go and. with that knowledge put it into your say this is actually

it's about you're seeing directly as you experience it so you get the chance to discover it for yourself it's not a discovery of mine so much as it is becomes your discovery that's what i hope anyway. james trail is also an experienced pilot and he made a key just covering one day while flying he became aware of the majestic scope and beauty of the sky. he has created sky escapes all over the world. these chambers provide viewers with a new visual perspective on the heavens the universe and eternity. this is the museum in the end these mountains of argentina it was funded by the

swiss entrepreneur and arts patron donald hess. the museum stands 2300 meters above sea level fully isolated from the rest of the world. in this place nature often stages its own light shows. when did you really fall in love with this guy as a pilot well certainly as opposed to because. those who supports you and i mean it is this atmosphere that you are swimming in and of course reduce life like water it is it has substance and it has changes as you see whether come or light involved with that atmosphere and that's what fish are quite beautiful and people experience that coming over from the u.s. to europe as you wake up and you go into the the morning that you're headed in to her suppose her up there with the best seat in the house. and but yours is good

enough i mean off to the side it really is amazing what happens as you approach the continent here and so i've always enjoyed that flight you say that you can even change the color of the sky and how do you do that i'm not changing the color of the sky but i'm i'm changing your context a vision which give you a different color to sky to make it any color you like in some of these very spaces but. that has more to do with you know how we form our perception of me we the sky is blue because we have give it that color we warded that color because we do that means that and then we can change it so. that's not difficult to do. but i mean the and people are surprised by that because it's essentially we feel we receive everything that we're not

a part of that we behold and we're definitely a part of that we behold so and that's one thing the artist can do is sort of give you the gentle koan to tell you well you know you're making this reality within which you live. so it's nice to be aware of it. and it was from the air the james to rail discovered what would become his greatest artistic achievement. this is the road and crater in arizona. has built a kind of observatory inside the crater complete the funder ground shafts and tunnels he's been working on this project for for decades and is still not complete here too well experiments not only with light but also with sound and acoustics. the spaces are sensitive to light and sound. it's almost. difficult

to make without because once you make the sensor light. it's very bright to stop so you can take your call if you can take invent. a visit to the crater is an experience that almost overwhelms the senses. this is something where you are within the earth but above it and so this you know taking self into this in the sky is something very very interesting you know all the faces i may have access to this try to rise above and you know one of things we rarely do is if you are in new york and you watch people from just the 2nd 4th hardly anybody looks up. it's a mistake so part of this is just redirect your version and also make you realize there's that whole world that's above us. and that we have access to it.

today to real lives and works in flagstaff arizona a town with a population of about 65000. well hello. mama. it's gentle. flagstaff is cold in winter and hot in summer. james terrelle was born in los angeles california about 600 kilometers west of here . oh i get it i'm. doing fine. i think there must be something special about the light of california how did you perceive flied when you were a child. well children oriental light and you do that in the crib or me here you will look to it and something that really helps orient to this. and i mean california is not that different than say south of france or or italy or spain. the thing that is very interesting though is

a lot of people who freesheet light are from areas where it's. it is not as prevalent and more precious and so you know you have cost of war you have turner amazing very personal art has just forever tritter if the drug trade school all the painters of light from norway and sweden. and her very who are came to germany to study art in a way. more appreciated words more precious. when james tarell frames like as in a painting he's following a centuries old tradition of western art. from the baroque period to modern times artists have been captivated by the power of light.

light can bring a scene to life increase its dramatic effect and focus the viewer's attention. in the 17th century the use of light transformed the world of art. for the 1st time artists used like to highlight their subjects and not just saints but mere mortals . and even the artists themselves. they created a world of sharp contrast between whites and dark. their renaissance sought to bring light into darkness using science and reason to counter the influence of the church and religion. rembrandt's the anatomy lesson of dr nicholas tool is the quintessential renaissance art work the participants are gathered around the corpse of a criminal and the body is bathed in light. in

the 18th century the english painter william turner took the use of light to a new level in his work the slave ship the sky and sea the low. lights floods the canvas and rulers contrasts turner also made use of dissolves and fading effects which he copied from early photographs. in the 20th century photography became the preferred medium for experimenting with light gifted photographers like man ray made substantial contributions to this art form. one of today's most important artists care had reached or has found new ways to use light is still life skull with candle plays with our perceptions. the images are indistinct blurred shimmering

nothing is as it seems. james to rail uses many of the same effects in his works images blend into one another playing tricks on the viewer's imagination. in college terrelle study psychology mathematics and astronomy these disciplines are reflected in his work a sophisticated attempt to alter our sense of perception one might said you're even more than an artist you're a kind of who also for spiritual guide maybe a scientist how do you see yourself as an artist i mean as i say this is not things that inform science. i'm informed by science an interesting point is that life is also used in para p. and one of your pieces is called the healing light yeah so is that kind of a healing experience well i do try to balance it in terms of the frequencies if you

stay in the exhibition so it has kind of all color but you know the the energy system is just is keyed off of exposure to light and so people call that the shocker is you just call it anything system that's fine but it's something that is physically us and so we do orient to these things and do it healing from them i was wondering and to what extent at least experience is spiritual i mean life is also a universal symbol for the divine each and every human being yes and artists have been involved with religion since day one. making work that supports the rhetoric that comes from the priesthood or or not. but you can see that in all the altar pieces and everything here and

in europe i mean it's quite amazing what artists did and how they were involved with the church and also problem for the church it seems that you were inspired by the many many take meditative quality of life because you know you do go inside to greet the light in meditation and you will get the visual purple and you'll get the beginning of that as you enter meditation so we are followed by light we carry it within us so there never is no life. even when you're. inside. you know a deprivation cell you'll find that there is light that just close your eyes you'll enter a life filled realm of eventually this is i mean we do have this life inside and. we orient to it and. you know this is a visual mantra. chuck present visual mantras games to

rails works reflect his interest in eastern mysticism but they're by no means esoteric. his parents were devout quakers a form of christianity that believes there is good in everyone and that we all have a direct connection to god. sitting in silence in quaker meeting to rail learned his child to come to a place of peace in the quiet. he was raised to find the divine light in every person. this is the door to start cemetery in central berlin philosopher georg hale and author and playwright vertebrata are among those buried here. a few years ago terrelle transformed the chapel here with an installation that took full advantage of the twilight hours. a room without shadows filled with changing

colors. the altar is a cube of acrylic less. outfitted with l.e.d.s. that make it a central source of light. very much in line with the traditional christian concept of god as creator and the source of divine light. here unlike into roles guns filled works the contours remain sharply defined so that viewers maintain proper orientation. the space in which one remembers the souls of the dead. christians are invited to reflect on their

belief in eternal life. some may find comfort in the idea that life will not end in darkness but in light light is present at the beginning and at the end of life. lost i'd like to know if there's a light that you love and maybe a life that you hate. while. i mean i appreciate it all i don't have any that i hate. one of the things i like to do is to give light like i've seen in the dream. this is basically a different life than we normally have there were normally involved with it in the conscious awake state and what does this light come from in the dream is that memory well. part of it could be memory yes that is replayed but then the truth is we are often involved in experiences that we find later. in what we

call the conscious await the wake state or life. as in deja vu so. it's not all memory which is quite interesting and curious and. has the light come from a word does the light come from in the dream they weren't where does it come from and it. is something we definitely experience and it is powerful the dreams are most powerful when we have the dreams and color of course and often when they are this kind of dream it is not from memory but from. experiences that are to come the lucid dream is quite amazing and most people have had one but that's not just having one as having one that they remembered because we often wake up and from the moment of awakening the dream is leaving us and so we're trying to hold on to it but you know we can do that

a bit with art by making life it's very similar to how we see light in the dream because it's not know how we not only see light. but if you have a slot unknown to us which i find very fascinating. thank you very much you're very welcome. gives us a key that unlocks the door to the subconscious mind is installations are like finding yourself in a vivid dream in which spatial boundaries are blurred. lights like music has the power to alter our perceptions of space. to the point where we perceive to a limited extent a sense of infinity i am the airplane . the been a.

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