the. goal of all that stuff will. turn against the sea. turned to me. yet so stop a nice leg make it on its leg and open to quick open. yes. that's no no. which.

it's better. to stay. if. it's clear. if it's a view i'd like to invite was a fire fight to join me on stage all divided to 5 who are you. h b. o i wasn't prepared for that question but. i feel incredibly fortunate i never would have thought that things would take off like this when i turn 60 well maybe not take off but things keep getting better and better. but i'm far i find it. can open up to you.

and. you know. only of of that do is act naturally the so very group which include bad bellies sold to the wheat pashto. no to work. chop i need to just get an idea and then i have to go through with it no matter what i insist sometimes it doesn't work out at all he doesn't want to or she doesn't want to work that doesn't work but you have to be incredibly patient like that painter said i don't know who it was anymore the big one in france he said you need the patience of an ox that had a big impact on me. you can't just give up and say you've had enough that's my needs to go up much mark. sometimes you can get so fed up with things you don't want to keep going but you have to pick yourself up and move on you have to keep

creating even if there's no feedback when i know it's a nonstarter. you never go hope. oh i just.

you can make it hard he wanted both yes. you got other folks go ahead is it best to not use a scenario to you know. show him that much by the. way that went to a stylist school last year. or so now he knows everything. well so. they said that it was close but. comfy leave it to many fashion photographers want to become artists it pushed that hardly ever goes well with him i think this is in the end the end they're still just fashion photographer. for the vita is one of the few people who went from art real pure art to fashion and that's why his work is so convincing and that's why it's unmistakable that he has a distinct find for a style. of the 1st you know. there is no way you can do.

that and this is so this is just on this but this is typical for a bioterrorist style that is this is him and his purest form. of what the hope that the and it's so simple head down bottom up to stripes or. it might just be an ad for stockings to but you can instantly recognize his signature you know that there's just going to be still you know it's in the can the. you know leap between you know. ok. feel. talk or 40 years ago i started out as an illustrator at the targets on psycho magazine it used to produce more issues than it does now. not go to small polaroid and took pictures to use a template on the climate poorly like of this glass. so

then i had all these little pictures and i copied them from my drawings. that's for photography itself i was too scared of doing it because my hands tremble. and i always have. i couldn't take pictures without a flash because they would always come out blurry. from. bush isn't. that when we 1st started working together we weren't using digital cameras we were still using analog film his 1st job for vogue was with the stylist honest ozzy about a year and the model if i had to go for an option of that it took 2 or 3 photos and then he simply got up and left. before.

the end too fast and they said ok vita can we get to work now for sure and he said what do you mean i'm already done and that you have to take a 100 pictures they said no you said 3 are enough in the fashion world that was pretty extreme. busfield me he movie he is my surroundings have always been very important to me even though i never go have a look at where i am during the shooting beforehand so i just go and let things begin to last. oh he had teeth and the same rule applies here don't discuss things in advance no discussions. directing directing that's what the guys love guy the good ones do well actually everyone does.

i'm going to see the one reason why he became so successful. was that fashion photography with all its skillful artificiality needed to be reinvented. it needed artists to reimagine fashion. should we have a huge problem with beauty especially when it comes to serious art. we have delegated the concept of beauty and the way we handle it to advertising to such an extent that no serious artists dares dealing with it anymore i think he should leave me i mean to me is like a reincarnation from earlier days when beauty was still taken seriously.

it is joy in playing with forms and colors like celebrating a young life just reaching its cuss. season to condemn lappets even if he might appear hesitant at times about his art is very life affirming obvious the conditions of extreme love and spill. otoh sure. will have a fringe issues because if you see the t.v. . we call his leading into you'll. see this is so deep so. that's right most needs to have this one too thin because about critiquing then you shouldn't be so he never feel moving

feet off the. o.p.'s space smile for all to. feel. the pulse of the earth and the bulls but the gulf coast and. it's in. the states. it's. multiply for by to 5 you originally did an apprenticeship as a window decorator right yes if you know what that is that was and i think i was

yes and shall thousands. i can imagine it was a back breaking job but i'm sure it was also interesting did you learn anything new that. i learnt the most from the saleswomen. it's all used to wear yellow aprons it was part of their uniform that's how you can do that anymore i like the way they looked all the same they had all sorts of intrigues it was like elementary school for life. really intrigues you yes i believe they were the head decorator it was about as old as i am now yeah version of the steep staircase leading out steps. that half past 6 all the saleswoman would walk up those stairs in that aprons no pants back then and he would always stand at the bottom of the stairs gnashing his teeth. does it for i love that story sorry for

bringing it up but you did ask. tony everyone called himself a long week does he have to. do it. when you know yourself you know so. you know that as we move. off the coffee could ensue sort of. our last. few things kill club. just look at least.

i was commissioned by the film podium cinema to design movie posters. it was so much fun. i was completely free to experiment. and. there wasn't much money in it but it was great to walk past my posters hanging on the street. to pull out. see. the only thing i needed was material to sketch. i

started taking pictures of the people who came to visit me in my little room. sit on my bed and tell me what was needed while i worked. this is a page from a scrap book that's going to be published soon all these books turned out very thick. just magicians who go. oh you mean. you know this. so. far. so me. used to love sketching with

a pencil. then. that brought me to the attention of john christophe the curator of the museum of art in lieu sun at the time. he said he was doing an exhibition called transformer. he asked me to just wander about and explore the topic. i saw carlo in the library of the school of applied arts i was completely and raptured by his beauty.

so. it began all that is to say the one in the very 1st series of carlo your for the transformer exhibition by john christophe a man in the sound you can watch how he becomes this remarkable black and white bouquet of flowers. that never since the fifty's and sixty's until today there's been an intense debate about identity who am i. the bald fife and his work in the 1970 s. multiply for also asked this question. even today it still seems quite relevant. who am i what does it mean to be gay how can i lead a gay life. it was a time when the 1st steps were being made to publicly address this issue in germany

in the seventy's it was still forbidden to be openly gay if you see. it was not a moment when he does i can say i can't even quite recall where i 1st saw this picture. and might actually have been in his studio. i could immediately sense that i needed this picture to go in that i was going through a deep crisis with my male image at the time it was more about my role as a man and less about my sexual preference as. i could have gone. home at 1st vote if i didn't want to sell me the picture. he said i wouldn't get it for less than $5000.00 francs. because nobody in the

world would ever see it again so i should at least pay for that. so i paid him $200.00 francs a month for 2 years. and then walked out. as

i always told myself a book has to stand out on a bookshelf and still shoulder everyone has to feel the urge to pick it up and ask what's not with them or with the tongue i fished a tough night. when i went back to new york to ask me to take his book with me and show it to andy warhol. ok i promised i'd try. my 2nd day in new york i went over and told him i was from zurich and had something that might interest and. he hesitated a moment. but then he came. he was very nervous walters nervous too but warhol seems 10 times more fidgety. he looked through the book with. great great great great pictures script great great

great great great when you're back in zurich. pictures more pictures but not. and i was thinking really andy warhol just said that i couldn't believe it. but of course the book was published and there was no reaction whatsoever none. and i kept thinking to myself this can't be happening 10 years and nothing to show for it. ferguson does you have to remember it was the 1980 s. when things were more uptight back down or there were these dolls little boys were allowed to play with these can dolls male barbie dolls. but in the 1980 s. he couldn't put his hand down his pants lipstick perhaps that was still too gay. or didn't do this and there were some things there that could clearly be seen as pornographic. even today.

but then there is this italian beach picture i think that says mother. see how to get you so she took it all really well my mother really gone to the others she said it reminded her of the olden days other mothers were different must. see how my mother was really cool about it she never worried about what i was up to she was open to everything oh i remember i once said i wanted to be famous she said it was more important to stay healthy she was right in a way. oh. was. just a dick from a very good cross with a hopeless do fighters aesthetics didn't fit at all with what was being shown at

the time what was hip so to speak with the work i could recognize as personal taste or his own to native his technical imperfection and all of that appealed to me because i found his book very lively and i was so enthused by it that i immediately decided i wanted to do an exhibition with this photographer who took off a lot of the sawdust like this was the poster he designed. this is his writing this thing and it's going it all went very quickly from munich to zurich and back again and of those who wish to learn a little bit only took 3 or 4 weeks and then he flew in and i met him and this is in the whole garden and munich this photo sums up his whole personality of. god was. then i started

writing and realised that i couldn't i wasn't a writer i became desperate again and then all the muses in the world can't help you. and then suddenly i remembered that i had a box full of tapes in the basement. full of tapes as we go along to the forge was your good tape he'd been taping phone conversations with his friends for years and if you like the particular sentence he jotted it down his play vitae should be less like a collage or a crazy collage i can still remember a couple of scenes that i liked very much. like this one a boy in a civil servants office who's the official stamp like or.

says that which i was for was of course totally absurd of sort of theater but very very funny and the audience went along with it wonderfully. it's about the ops it was never my intention to write one play off to another i was just curious if i could write something that people would actually come to see that some show just as me like to call the. field out not to buy me as many people said my 1st book of photos was terrible everything completely overexposed beats the system for one person told me it was simply a catastrophe from a photographic point of view i know somebody else said i still had

a lot to learn so i really wanted to learn so i bought a big 1000 want to make my pictures look a professional call of dummy design piece here and that's how my little photo studio of sorts came to be. so what it does have decent photo studio time from. spinney that's me almost in gimme back then in high school in the eighty's show he life was boring. i wondered if there was anything else beyond like xerox and. so we go to see voter he was like zurich's andy warhol. recently and he will miss it in theory what i did and i thought so he and it worked thanks to him i went to new york and to travel around for a few years i had a good time as

a model. so. both voter is an emotional person creative pleasant to work with. seen. and does move to ito no prejudices of each will all he cared about were the people themselves before. scott on the mansions golden dome it wasn't about who you were where you were from i gave you more what your incarnations were new. for. he never had to ask because all you could tell them is pictures who people truly were. the naked ones wanted to be naked that's for sure. clore. they mojados spin this is me rowing. finding new models was the hardest part i couldn't use the old ones from the 1st

book well that was done and over with it was a phase. in my life is like a rock at the top and then the next period. next day he was one survivor he'd brought me my 1st models. at that time department stores used to be open late one day a week and these boys would hang out there with their pimps mopeds. used to. it when i walked by it felt like. then he came along and said no problem and brought them all over to me and there was always a lot going on on thursday evenings. leap. of his place was sparsely furnished i fainted and took pictures there he used a simple camera. as soon as he got behind us camera he was like

a sniper. he knew exactly what he was aiming at and when to pull the trigger. he was gay everyone knew that then we'd make jokes about it. you never crossed the line though if he had word would have spread and he would have been branded for life but nothing ever happened. does king is all that went on for 2 years until one day john christophe called and said you've got an exhibition next year 1906 at the concert with these faces. i still had a lot of work to do. about the same time in 1905 paris had given me a studio. because. back then he was still looking for new faces he always liked to actually buy so he made

me his assistant and i combed through paris with him so it's my job was to approach young people he found interesting and then ask them if maybe they wanted to have a famous photographer take their picture. book so i grabbed my backpack and we went to different parts of town every day he'd approach them they'd say no problem i took my pictures every day so we went through all of paris searched it from top to bottom far and wide i was the happiest person in the world it was like a miracle. miracle it's miracle. the exhibition was in basel at 986 i already had my driver's license that we drove over and it was such

a big event outside in the showcase as you can see is pictures on display we were so excited about that visit you know with the gong. i went with my mother i was 17. he was sharing an exhibition with bruce weber. of course bruce weber was the star of the eighty's and i was just a nobody from switzerland that's how i felt he was professional not like me to. me anyway i was there at the opening and the only thing i remember was that he told his scout to go over and approach good stuff. on to the king so we went over and we're going to go stuff to new york for a shooting. stuff was in 7th heaven of course and i just stood there like a drowned rat you could see the difference i was nothing and he was everything he needs. us. now

to go. after the big exhibition of the basel i'd had quite enough of all the photos of all the people and of photography all together me. so i decided to create still lives just for myself. so there was nothing and nobody to disturb me. and i could just paint for days in peace for me are here marlon says to be done it far safer by another phase had ended it really was a case of disappearing off the radar a month nobody knew who i was anymore and it was better that way. the t.v. on the left the cats behind me and the canvas in front of me i drew one painted picture

after picture like an artist it was bliss. i'm a little go through some. pictures. of the ship is. this evil not just. me do a list i mean good clips you have to look at all 3 components of his work to really understand him. the pictures the drawings and not to be under-estimated his videos the performances. supposed tell that also spoke to me they were a continuation of his theatre and also took up aspects of his photography as a collaborative all that gets me. consists of all these elements and you can't separate them and all.

those are both of all to dave to be involved his amazement at the world stems from the fact that he moved to the city from humble circumstances if i fall. it was in the late 1960 s. when many possibilities were just opening up and lots was changing. in the. form to hand over he still carries the wonder of a country boy who is now in the big city but who hasn't forgotten how to be amazed . when the book welcome aboard came out everyone said it was such a great comeback but it didn't feel that way to me it was just a new phase. did a g.p.s.

books most of the idea behind this book was to present his photos to the general public again it will be difficult to bring him back from obscurity thank you so all of you that you can make people didn't know who voted 54 was anymore among the one nice side effect was that he started taking pictures again of years. my favorite picture is from his book. as it does. when i saw it this one i just thought oh wow is that me. how they make that one point he told me i was a muse really with him you really have to being a muse. about. work

and develop their education people know baltar as someone who takes pictures of beautiful boys but he is also good at taking pictures of women. if a certain lively for volatile distinguishes this book has a very beautiful lack of seriousness it's. 8 just because. the book was very well received and greatly contributed to his breakthrough. it's very unusual for someone over 60 to get involved in the world of vogue and such. noisy. but thanks to his endless enthusiasm volatile greatly enjoys it and in 20 smalls.

we'll originally wanted to check out sang clue as a shooting location it seemed but 1st we stopped at dior the store i used to walk by when i had my studio in paris. and i was starstruck other new montane dior my lena dietrich up stairs. when we got to san clue and i saw all these expensive shoes and the gravel and the trees and the model with the dogs and i wasn't happy atoll please i asked if we could go back so we went back to deal to the stairwell and everything was perfect perfect. that was the 3rd high level job i had. now

after that happened with vogue i was approached by an agency in america to me it's the best agency i could imagine can come from without an agent i wouldn't be where i am now i still be at the target and so i guess. having an agency i thought i'd have to work like a mule at the age of 60. yeah . yeah. yeah. yeah ok that's not. ok. that's not.

that's good. oh. that's wonderful. yeah. i have great things. run run run run run run good. features funding by taking field you do a lot of articles for big magazines for free it's just what you do to polish your name. so wretched ample days it was a freebie one day i'm working till you dropped. oh man you paid 2 story me. so.

there's. ali forgive me sloan but everybody always asks me why aren't you in paris or london

or tokyo it's all but it's so perfect to come back here to be like cinderella and start all over again down and focus on something new on their own to form them and to see chalfont was to constantly. hugo how nice no i don't plan to do anything and yeah i thought most i might do a bit more cleaning i haven't done any keating again today i'm really surprised at what still comes my way it may sound modest but it's true. and i hope i still have a few good ideas that would be even better. the fog. lifted the scene of.

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