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. we are in hanover at the techs trade fair which features state of the york flooring concepts the exhibitors at the 1000000000 offer top quality products and claim that they need strict environmental standards. one stand belongs to the bows of each company the wood for bows of each has products comes from the primeval forests of the amazon region. the company assures consumers who are concerned about the environment that they can buy its products with confidence. if. those of it has earned a seal of approval from the forest stewardship council or f a c a nonprofit organization that promotes responsible management of the world's forests. but can log. in rain forests ever really be environmentally sustainable. trunk mel is

a german government expert on the sourcing and purchasing of tropical timber. mimesis the most inflated eyes of all when german consumers buy tropical wood products that are certified by the f a c. they are making a contribution to the preservation of the rain forests and by supporting sound timber management policies mr sufficient to set this up for us yes. but can buying products that have the f.s.e. seal it really stop the excessive exploitation of primeval forest.

the bows of each company harvest wood in the forests of peru to make flooring products. this is the order wrong go forest a pristine paradise in the amazon basin. we want to find out where bows of itch and f.o.c. certified company harvest timber for its wood floors. i said and this local manager says the f.s.e. has imposed strict guidelines on harvesting. in an area the size of a football field only one tree may be removed in 20 years. this process is called selective cutting. this is the tree they're going to cut down today. there are 3 out of that tree over there back there the one in the middle the white one. just about. 20 meters high. and the big. is boulder looming it's about 60 years old and has been producing seeds for 50

years and for truckers particularly straight so we get a lot of what they are. selective cutting is considered a sustainable procedure the f.s.e. has given its seal of approval to the bows of each company for several years now. thanks. those of each believes it's taking a responsible approach and the german government claims that the f.s.e. is helping to preserve the rain forest fire. but is that really true to find out more we travel to vancouver canada for an f s c conference. the organization is motto is forests for all forever.

will be a 1st sea has invited 1st nations peoples who live in the rain forests of southwestern british columbia to perform as conserving forests is also about the estimated 100000000 people worldwide who call these areas home. thank you. for all sorts of conflicts kim carstensen is director general of the f.s.e. . and i'm so thrilled to be here with you. it's a conferences like this one that the future of the world's forests is largely determined the f.s.e. has members in 85 country. those who live in the forests members of the w w f and greenpeace and industry representatives all share responsibility for preserving our forests but while some want to protect nature others here want to cut down trees and f.n.c. promotional video there is victory. in the forest where the

tree grows. and the warning who cares for land. there is the man who listens to the point to make sure and it still sounds when. we ask him carstensen what his organization stands for. f.s.a. is a responsible forest management that means that this is a forest management that ensures that the forces that now but it would also be the next year and the year after and for the next generation so if a city is very much about maintaining for this carbon maintaining force quality and to make sure that the forests that also for the next generations. to ensure this forest management policies are regularly reviewed f.s.e. conferences 3 groups are allowed to vote. forest dwellers environmentalists and the timber industry green light as usual in politics much of

the policy work is done out in the lobby. indigenous forest inhabitants fight to preserve their habitat environmentalists aim to save primeval forest and industry wants to cut down as many trees as it can while keeping the f.s.e. seal of approval. image matters to multinational companies and f s c approval helps them look good. when it comes to forest certification. fs see is the most rigorous and accepted system on the market right now. so. in theory also 3 groups have equal voting rights but greenpeace international a founding member of the f.s.e. claims that environmentalists are being pushed around by the timber industry. and as we'll see later during this film shoot greenpeace took drastic action. at

a conference in vancouver the f.s.e. claimed that under its leadership the world's forests are in good hands which is the german government say about that. you can consumers alone should not have to bear all the responsibility for preserving the forests it's good for us we have to make sure that the companies that make wood and wood base products don't source wood from primeval forest in a non sustainable way that could destroy these and it would have been used 900 to go to school in the past which often. we've come to london to meet one of the sharpest critics of the f.s.e. simon council was a co-founder of the organization but soon quit over policy disputes he believes that the f.s.e. gives the timber companies too much power the timber industry itself was brought in as one of the key stakeholders of this body and part of the decision making process which we felt was strongly felt was flawed because the whole system was to be there to inspect and in

a sense regulate the tender industry so it shouldn't really have been involved. council says the timber industry influence prevents the f.s.e. from making truly independent analyses. we want to find out whether that's true. we return to timber land license or concessions to the bows of each company in peru . how do they make sure that f.n.c. guidelines are followed. it is therefore you would offer a proof of origin. we use these markings to keep track of this one from block 4. by line 33. number 20. he's markings are on every tree that ends up in the sawmill. wood from f.s.e. approved selective cutting is marked in red the f.s.e. calls this controlled wood. lumber from other suppliers that don't have the f. a c.

seal is marked in blue. in theory the red and blue stacks should stay separated as they are here but sometimes they get mixed together by mistake. control board is one of the big controversies inside office and it's always been a big controversy the good news i think is that we have to strengthen the control board standard and i think everybody agrees now that there is a level of comfort. but what exactly does level of control mean. we traveled to the peruvian capital lima to meet an expert on the country's timber industry. who works for the environmental investigation agency or an advocacy group heat she's just finished a report that indicates that many timber companies falsified documents on the origins of trees as shown by government investigations well there in this report

and also disappeared or at least before the show the largest numbers of. that's illegal to have the last visit for years right so that's that's not a surprise but the growth here is that the consistently keep showing large numbers of illegal. and then from day 1490 papers of the use that where some both here at least 62 are you know documented by official i mean maybe government when it might people from me i think the problem and that's what we do. because we think that we want to think that we're doing something and so i actually feel very frustrated but if you know we've been able to believe or to their offer it's not in my country. the wood from the peruvian forests is transported to the river ports of call kulpa. the tree trunks are tied

together there are hundreds probably thousands of logs here waiting to be shipped to lima for processing. a local boat captain has some disturbing news. i think. all these logs have been cut down illegally. everyone around here knows that. but is known as the hub of the illegal timber trade in peru is from here that you legally sourced logs get shipped to timber companies. and the e.i.a. says many will go to pose of it. local insiders tell us where in the forest illegal logging is currently taking place. we plan to fly over those areas to capture aerial footage. we head toward the 1st location. after about an hour we see

a recently logged area it's been clear cut. a blue tent stands in the corner of the bald patch in the middle of the jungle. a little while later we spot something that looks like a transport dock. tree trunks line the water's edge they were probably brought here from the forest. it doesn't seem as if the f.e.c. has managed to stop illegal logging here in peru. regarding both of it which we are aware of the i.a.e.a. reports we are aware that owners for both the us will throw 2 shots you know into some of these cases to our knowledge none of that material was officially certified reference to our knowledge there maybe some issues with it but it's not officially certified therefore we're still interested in the company because if the company is involved in the kind of she had one way or the other then that's of course an issue

for us. back in lima we've come to bo's of bitches love processing complex this is where the wood is prepared for export. company c.e.o. drug oboes a bitch shows us prime lumber that's 100 percent f. a c. certified. although he also says logs do come in from none f.s.e. suppliers. so that means you never had problems with illegal. slopes doesn't mean you're out of the problems here we see the problems getting worse we just try to be ahead of what it means. you know what i think you know bunch of older version. does. whatever it costs you house to be if sure fire. comes in software security you got to be able to improve if you can separate the one with a cd from the c.e.o.

of the. charity anywhere she bought you. so the f. a c. checks on the origin. of the word but seems to ignore the fact that both of each has traded in timber that may have forged origin documents. so how credible is the f s c seal of approval we asked simon council in london so one would think if you're buying a product with an f.s.a. label that would be a quite simple message that the the wood inside this product is all from an acceptable source that has been actually inspected by a 1st the auditor's and guarantee to be from an acceptable source f.s.e. 100 percent in which the label product contains only f.s.e. certified timber is actually just a very small part of the picture and the others are from what i call euphemistically controlled wood and controlled wood is that which

hasn't actually been controlled so instead of audit is on behalf of f.s.a. going into the forest to inspect the logging operations it's basically done from a desk somewhere else in born or in london ok so we have some examples of f.s.e. certified products here let's have a look at these labels. this paper f s c paper from responsible sources but importantly you see this word mix on here this particular product itself may have no f s e certified material in it so in that sense this label is misleading to the consumer in letting us believe that it is from responsible sources it may not be at all. same here this product f.s.e. mix toilet paper. interesting here a box of matches f.s.e.

mix again some of the are some of these f.s.e. certified from acceptable sources and some of them now. impossible to know from the office label. so what does sees director general have to say about the organization certification system. there's no other system that works better than the system of certification there's no other system that is able to get together state kodos environmental organizations social groups trade unions and the companies who are managing the forest to agree what do we mean by responsible forest management what are the standards that we want to set for how we define this no other system does that we in addition i have quality control which we have ordered set happen if the company is the treasurer. and if the certification team is meeting at this hotel in vaughan part of their work today will involve checking to see whether timber companies active in the world's great forests are complaining with the organisation's guidelines. we want to find out how the certification process works

and file requests to accompany 10 different verifications but the f.s.e. turns down our requests so we continue with our research. in the congo basin forest european timber companies have permits that allow them to cut down trees in given areas with f s c certification. in the capital brazzaville we're meeting a man who's been approving those permits for years. we've agreed to protect his identity. and we're not going to specifically name the companies that he's going to talk about. me i want to withdraw the certificate from a certain company but when i met with the boss of that company he got so angry i left the hotel immediately. that night i feared for my life. when i told my boss about the meeting he also got angry and said i was no longer to inspect their

forest concessions the timber companies pay money to keep their certification which records are independent in theory but not really. because in practice we go to a site do a check and afterward nothing changes the companies go back to cutting down many more trees than they're allowed to. in such a situation you see what it's like to see x. it's really just. i think we've seen a situation where it's absolutely possible to take action related to the certified operations in the competition one example would be that we disassociate it from interim across 4 years ago and then now back in again because they improve their performance and all of that and this is sort of in the past but we could disassociate and it didn't create problems of that nature i don't. we've come to the northern jungles of the republic of congo to meet some of the local residents.

they belong to a group of semi-nomadic hunter gatherers called the bug. in this area or sell in some of her friends girl manioc and other crops from which they are in a living. the congo based company a subsidiary of the swiss company interpol co has purchased a permit to cut down trees here. the bulk of people say eco is making their lives difficult because companies security guards have imposed strict controls on the amount of crops they can grow within each of those concessions. the evil forest concession covers an area of about 11000 square kilometers massive logs get transported out by trucks the company says it takes a selective approach to cutting down the trees. says this selective cutting complies with f. a c. guidelines. and the f s c says the logging roads don't harm the local environment.

matthew hansen is a geographer at the university of maryland in the us he uses nasa satellite maps to keep track of how logging affects various regions around the world. rolls room into. the republic of congo and all of a sudden you do see the logging road so you've seen these before. and so we can zoom into a sort of f.s.e. certified concession as evil concession the logging roads are beautifully maintained. gorgeous you can see the the extractions of the trees themselves off the side of the logging road so this is very. very clear that we're getting actually the logging signal in parts of these concessions not everywhere the different colors represent the different years of the cut so this was early in the 2000 this was a couple years ago this was 2016 it is amazing because you're bringing this human

footprint and when we're there we see the forest elephants you see the chimpanzees in the gorillas it's like you've opened up this. primeval forest and all of a sudden you can drive you know 100 kilometers an hour straight down here to where nobody took you a few weeks to walk i think that there's a cascade of effects here that are changing what was a a natural forest eco system with with low population levels of subsistence farmers and fisher people. and so now you have something pretty irreversible. evocate people tell us they're not even allowed to hunt anymore because the company has to protect the animals so it won't lose its f.s.e. label. denies these claims. that the vodka used to kill monkeys in gazelles for food but now they say they often don't have enough to eat. today

they're again preparing a meal from crushed because of a leaves. what. the work that this woman is upset about the situation she says people can't hunt and there are no jobs. there aren't any schools for the children and their prospects for the future are blue. she says the timber companies should leave the area. the bulk of people see for won't let them earn a living we asked the company about this and it denied the accusations. the f.s.e. continues to defend the logging practices of the 2 largest timber companies now operating in congo. the interpol co subsidiary and c.r.b. . i have been through both she had been through until i've seen the way that intuitions people are given separate school training because they're not going to be part of the ordinary schools by the other into the other

groups of the population so i've seen all of these things and i certainly know that indigenous peoples are being respected and that they are given access to modern facilities that they never ever have before. this is part of the land covered by sea ibs permit near pokhara in northern congo. there do seem to be modern facilities here but these are mainly benefiting c.r.b. employees and less so the bulk of people who live in the huge forest concession when this bucko woman carries her child as she walks through the streets asking for money as others in her situation she seems in the period the bucha have lived in harmony with nature for several 1000 years and now their lives have been disrupted by timber companies that have been approved by the f.s.e. and the forests to see what they might become we travel to brazil where large tracts of ancient forest have been replaced by eucalyptus plantations. these

students are studying whether such monocultures meet the criteria for sustainable forest management. there professor claimants leschetizky teaches political ecology at the university of minister rice. this plantation was one of the 1st monocultures in brazil to receive the f.s.e. seal of approval. i'm not sure if he says that eucalyptus crops are popular because they're inexpensive to maintain and can be harvested in just 10 years he says. but the monoculture crops also dry out the soil and don't provide a habitat for wildlife. so how did this plantation qualify for f.s.e. approval. was one subsea this sort of land use was once classified as non-sustainable by environmentalists we even said it's extremely harmful. pretty much the only thing worse than this type of monoculture would be to pave over the

whole land. we asked matthew hansen to describe the spread of monocultures in brazil. so we zoom in to the area around you know up all this in the coast of this eco system that's called the boche atlantica you can see dramatic expansion when we see these blues these are new plantations and we see the pinks those are all the plantations that were cleared and regroup and f.s.u. certified monocultures so i mean it's a contradiction in terms right if it's a literalist who was founded to combat mold a quote monoculture is no monocultures or certified this is this is a. it's a logical fallacy doesn't make sense. so but that i don't agree with that i do agree that you got you have to have your. your pole paper timber land uses somewhere because we all use these products and and. i don't think it's

a hard argument to make that they did it this this time in our history they shouldn't be replacing natural force. this is atlantic forest on the east coast of brazil the level of biodiversity here used to be even higher than that of the amazon region today more than 90 percent of the atlantic rain forest has been destroyed. only the precious hillsides remain largely untouched. just a small proportion of this rain forest is actually under protection and even here illegal logging goes on. the pulp mill varicella was convicted of illegal deforestation in 2008 today it has f.e.c. certification. but in the village of parities 0 local residents have been arguing with varicella about its land use policy. the land used to belong to the catholic church which then gave it to the people. but then various cells started replacing

the villagers being crops with eucalyptus plants. here you can see the new crops growing right behind the residents houses. the eucalyptus plants suck up a lot of water leaving little for local people's crops. there are so has made a lot of these people angry they gather to tell us of their experience. this man shows us some of various cells promotional materials which claim that the company pays close attention to the rights of the rural population. but that doesn't appear to be the case here. more more in the open with awful lot of people have already users say that very cell has driven them off their land. and their frustration is apparent i think what it is that elephant was never killed a movie that was near the movie some residents claim that the local police even

showed up and force them to leave their homes. i mean i think you know where they came over at about 8 in the evening the police have close ties to russia so they didn't have a court order to fictionalise my wife and our one year old child were asleep at the time. i you know i think you should go to the police or grow till they use machetes to hack our home to pieces the children aren't even allowed to eat 1st we were just told to get out we were made to flee as if we were criminals to get. you off the group has now gone to court to try to get their land back until there's a conviction varicella will keep its f.s.e. seal land rights and it's a very very complicated issue there's a court case ongoing as long as the corkage ongoing and various other sort of legally holding the land there's no problem with their certificate obviously once the court case has been decided and depending on what the outcome will be then of

course we expect minister to follow the outcome of the court. professor the ship skis struggles with this decision by the f a c. he says this case says varicella occupying local farmers land in power diesel. says i but it's just incredible that the people here have to fight for land and food against a company that makes toilet paper for europe. it's i just can't get my head around that no matter how big picture i think this makes me really sad. perhaps parodies 0 is an exception we drive through the large plantation toward the coast where another village has been affected by various cells land use policy. professor leisure ski has heard there is a dispute in that indigenous reserve to. as foreigners we have written

permission to enter the reserve. when we arrive the residents are headed for a meeting to talk about varicella. we wait outside until the meeting has finished. at the tribal leaders then greet us they say varicella has taken their land and is now using it to grow eucalyptus plants. he tries to find out what sort of agreement the villagers worked out with farah sell lawyers according to f s c guidelines companies have to negotiate with local residents before they take action. no sabia no did that happen here. no no no clearly you will and there was a hearing but one of the chiefs got up and said that cell was doing everything right. he's from an area with tourism and the company paid him to say that my god

grew up around thoughtfully. that's a serious accusation and we wanted to talk to varicella about it. the company's certification experts 1st promised us an interview but then cancelled it. here varicella is refusing to grant our additional request for a meeting. according to the f.s.a. reports this dispute has been settled but indigenous groups say they feel very cell has stolen their land. as it's you through the field at the eucalyptus plantation is wiping them out it was difficult for me to hear them say that. one of the tribal leaders said that the company is ruining the local environment and wiping them out or collude to scripture always going to. eucalyptus crops have almost completely replaced the rain forest in this region. this has changed the face of the landscape . paper products made from trees that were cut down here will have the f.s.e.

seal for sustainable forest management. and verizon has created jobs here. flourish and you have to calculate how many jobs have been created perfect or. and then weigh that against the number of people who've been deprived of their livelihood and in this case the numbers are way out of balance. if we create about 2000 jobs over hundreds of thousands of hectares and at the same time 50000 families lose their farmland and that's just not right. and lot of isolation fathers very upset if a company that has been checked every single yashin think up certified in 2008 we have had several investigations into the claims that that came from difference they called us and the certification as far as we can see is still completely valid and there's a lot of good things to say. so the f.s.e. is satisfied but what about the complaints from the villagers. have been involved

in a number of the formal complaints against questionable certificates some of the f.n.c. system none of those have succeeded in fact i'm not aware that any single complaint through the office the system has ever worked. this drone has just taken off at a large primeval forest on the white sea in european russia. greenpeace employees villain the cheek and thomas henningsen want to shoot some video of clear cut logging in the devinsky forest the last remaining section of intact forest landscape here. the forest is home to plants and animals facing the threat of extinction with we're. this forest is an ecological treasure trove with a wide variety of sensitive species. in this sub arctic climate the trees grow very slowly. that's why the trunks are so thin. there are

many rare musses lichens in insects in this ancient native forest. but here too a lot of trees have been cut down by companies that have the f a c c a little provable. insurgency and you have to see was a good idea at 1st you're in russia but now it's causing a lot of damage 1st timber companies are hiding behind the up a c.c. hill because there are no ecologically sustainable operations here and companies that know that are logging even more including in the primary will forest with the 1st the seal it deems even if. the timber companies are allowed to clear up to $35.00 hectares in one go. who do you feel. such as that you have a clear cut 10 years after you did you ever see how it actually grows back are you

actually have forest again this area is not dead this area actually maybe not with exactly the same values actually grows back into forest that is managed and valuable for people and for nature. of cardstock that area was clear cut just 5 or 6 years ago and it's going to take centuries before it looks like a real forest again this is going to say you have a right. if issy certified areas in russia taken together are larger than denmark. the trees are also being cut down to supply western consumers. the plight of. these spruce logs look there but the rings tell us that there are 60 to 70 years old. they're too small to be used for wood products so they turn these logs into a pulp for paper or peter goelz the most of it is used to make disposable products like toilet paper or tissues or packaging. for the population of the forest that

one studio is being turned into paper products and then tossed away poppy into treasure for a cost with a professional. tree . one simple action can have a profound impact look for products with the f.s.e. logo and help protect the health of our forests for all forever. our f.s.u. certified forests really in good shape this team of scientists is trying to find out. why these research group is led by a german biologist and conservationist. right all. the scientists have determined that the environmental damage is not confined to the loss of trees.

heavy logging equipment is also compacting the soil here. that means that water can no longer drain away making it very difficult for new trees to grow. this is the 1st scientific study to assess the impact of f.s.e. certified logging since the organization was founded in 1903. that's the researchers start by measuring trees in a non-certified area they also determine the age of the trees if a forest has a lot of old trees it's considered healthy the team also measures the temperature on extremely hot or cold days a healthy forest will moderate the temperature beneath its tree canopy a damaged forest cannot. this data will then be compared with the results from f.s.e. certified areas to determine how much the organization helps forests. the f.s.e. says it's waiting for the results. we're very interested in the results of the

study professor and we have invited him to come here and present that to us because we would like to know and as we always want to learn from from brossard. this is the university of. where professor aebischer is presenting the preliminary results of his team's research. the study was commissioned by the w w f a founding member of the f.s.e. . a.b.c. says that f.s.u. guidelines don't have much impact on how the forest is used. this is the change the station. or the force used to have just goes to the last. few the presentation unsettles the timber industry representatives present. after gave his talk one of the logging companies withdrew its permission for us to film on their land. some managers fear the study

could damage the russian timber industry we asked matthew hansen for his opinion. if we go over to the ark and guess region you can see very clearly. the clear cuts in the sea landscape. the idea that. sustainable logging is represented through large scale clear cuts is difficult to understand and it's that perversion that really bothers me both as a citizen and as a scientist where. if there is a program to do sustainable logging but in fact the facts of the ground say it's actually in opposition to sustainability. it's it's has worst effects than being forthright to begin with so if you're fully transparent people know what they're buying and they sign up for that but if you're lying to or

misleading them and they think that they're doing this a stable thing with your product and in fact they're not this is of course a worse or worse case i think it's true that the timber consuming public has been betrayed by the f. a c. and we being led to believe that these labels enable us to purchase these timber products with a clear conscience but actually we now know that these products can contain wood from sustainable sources from tropical rain forest from indigenous people's land even from forest your operations are completely illegal. when the f. a c. was created in 1993 the conservationists goal was to stop clear cutting and save the primeval forest that gold is not being reached. which is why in march 28th seen greenpeace announced it would not renew its membership in the sea. views and also to 1st see we left because the

f.s.e. unfortunately does not ensure that primeval forest are protected from logging and would hit our convoys are we. to say. to move. towards forests if you're proposing a boycott against any timber from the against any timber from the congo basin i think you're at the same time telling these countries that their forests should have no value or that they should have any benefit from the forest i think that's completely the wrong way. so the plantations will continue to expand and over the past 25 years the f. a c. has failed to stop timber companies from destroying large tracts of forest land around the world. the impact of all that logging has been dramatic. i think that we're now probably at the stage where we have to revert back to that idea the regulation by government is what we need food on feed we consume far too

many disposable paper and wood products we have to reduce recycle and reuse. it seems we need legislation to save the primeval forests they cannot be protected with a simple seal. thing . like o.t.c. robotics and deep learning marched realises wait a 2nd 3 want the whole picture out facts instead of make idea shift to live us. from atlanta to reality to cryptocurrency to your topics for live in an adventure

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