that slap in the face with a swift response just you know writing it off as small fry because i think at the end of the day there is now the sense here in washington that the united states will go ahead with it this naval mission where the burden is on board or whether brought in is not on board as we are now say seeing i think the problem for the german government may likely have been in terms of the wording the devil is in the detail i think for and that request from the united states because the united states called on him to secure shipping in the strait of hormuz but they also called on them to combat iranian aggression were of course then germany to give into that i'm essentially they would have been condemning iran's actions at the same time you know engaging in something which is labeled as combat putting them on a collision course then with tech ron at a time of course when germany has such a differing view and it stance towards iran desperately trying to nudge the arabians back into the parameters of that carefully negotiated to 2015 nuclear deal

at the end of the day though i think whether this u.s. mission is patrolling of the high seas or perhaps even something more perhaps a move of politic i think it's fair to say that we will see washington now proceed and go forward rather swiftly and killed or what about germany i mean this does look like a slap in the face delivered by germany to the united states. it certainly could be seen that way particularly given that german defense relies so heavily on the us but at the same time this really isn't a surprise if you look even at the wider picture out of outside of this particularly situation that we find ourselves in right now germany is always very reluctant to partake in any kind of combat military operation any kind of involvement that school and has been that way for many decades and for some time

now it's very it's be much more of a helping hand than an active participant so there's absolutely no appetite here in germany to really get involved in a very robust ham's own role particularly in a u.s. led mission and then simply doesn't want to see its forces led by the u.s. particularly in the in this very fragile and very what could be explosive situation right now and we're just getting reports now that both of you know that the united states has just announced it is imposing sanctions on iran's foreign minister zarif that is going to up the tension considerably but that's just coming across right now kate let me stick with you germany is saying no to a u.s. led naval mission what about a european naval mission which the u.s. or the u.k. rather cold for last week. one of them and that is one of the big questions of

course so at least from the u.k. side things aren't looking so sure of that anymore either but there is this fear here in germany as well that we're gemini to become part of at least that u.s. led mission and that it could become collateral damage in the same could apply to an e.u. naval mission as well and so that's something that germany is discussing at the moment but nothing has been moved off the table so far germany is in very close talks with the u.k. and with france right now as we saw there on a great crime karrenbauer the new defense minister was already meeting with french and u.k. officials today to discuss exactly how a joint effort can be achieved and to move things forward and find out what's very important for germany here a difficult matic solution so not any kind of military action yet but beyond that

still look you waters all around hell and what about. that international naval mission that the u.s. has been trying to put together in the strait of hormuz is there any movement on that. well there is some reason we don't know the full details and that what we should point out is that talks were held today with military representatives from the united states from the u.k. in back rein back rain of course is home to the 5th largest u.s. naval fleet in the walls a sense that they are putting that together details are emerging on that those doors those talks have been held behind closed doors we can expect more details potentially on thursday and now we know that perhaps denmark po'd and portugal spain and sweden said that they would be interested to hear what comes out of that so they're still weighing their possibilities i wonder now whether that changes based on those latest sanctions targeted against the foreign minister zarif because

that makes it very clear that the united states is still pursuing this campaign of maximum pressure all of which the european union has been critical so that may change how this now evolves i think brant all right told the humphrey on the story for us in washington. on the story here in the german capital to both of you thank you. i think bricks may come up a little bit i think the crucial thing to stress is that i attach huge importance to the net spirits of the of the bill for us good friday agreement well that was a british prime minister boris johnson speaking in northern ireland today in belfast he reiterated his promise that he will take the u.k. out of the european union and that there can be no brakes a deal until the backstop is scrapped now the backstop is something like an insurance policy that would guarantee no return to

a hard border between northern ireland and the republic of ireland most people in northern ireland voted to remain in the european union and that referendum back in 2016 and one of the provinces biggest parties the nationalist shin fein is staunchly opposed to a new deal breaks it that was the message that the party's leader had for mr johnson when she spoke to him today so we have mass with bars johnson. we've had a fairly extensive conversation with him and which we have raised the issue of breaks this. his course of action which seems to us to indicate that he has set the compass for a disorderly and a crash frags us it was very clearly that this would be catastrophic for the irish economy. for irish i fully hood's for our society for our politics and

for our peace accords we've made it clear to him that the extensive planning that he tells us he is carrying out and respect of a potential crash. the constitutional question of the issue of a board here in our lands. germany deported nearly 25000 people last year whose application for asylum had been rejected but that is less than health of the number of people who should have been deported 30000 people are thought to still be in the country in harvey well the government is tightening the law to make it easier to send people not eligible for asylum back to their country of origin as we reported the changes are controversial. techniques airport a dozen nigerian nationals are taken to a chartered plane for deportation. 5 people on the passenger list are missing they

may have gone into hiding 12 migrants board the aircraft accompanied by 3 times as many police officers. officer christiane cook of my own has been on many such deportation flights he says repatriation amounts to a personal crisis for migrants many are desperate some even injure themselves at the last minute to try and avoid deportation as i remember them it's in the bay are always my worry about it i wonder how things are going to work out for them are these but then i figure if we're sitting in the plane with them that proper legal process is being carried out. for. somebody who is from senegal could be deported next he has lived in and around munich for 5 years his asylum application was turned down he knows the rules for deportation are getting stricter and a lengthy detention is possible. is

a feel for all of us let's not leave because we are not see if we are to see. what through what we think. we have been done i think if someone don't have what is probably we don't fight so i think. people. some get support from an engine you know in munich a refugee council that helps him when he deals with officials and needs legal advice the refugee council is critical of the new deportation that your nation's. the stared at him is near. being completely deprived of their rights not only that those who fled here are being dehumanised because this is no longer a matter of an individual's fate but the families are split up of whether a person is sick this is a matter of carrying out to potations for the sake of raising the statistics scientistic good. authority to see things differently those in detention at this

temporary facility at munich airport are legally required to be deported. every case has been reviewed by a judge. to yeah i thought she was. as for people who have committed offenses have priority on deportation flights or those who are in danger of public order and safety delinquents and people consider the threat a dealt with 1st then comes everyone else because when and by the gestalts if it's not only criminals who are detained in the worst cases people who have committed minor violations such as signing a document too late could also be deported. that sometimes makes officers like. think twice even if they trust the system could admire thanks abusive officials who accompany deportees such as speeding and fighting is on the rise and witnessing deportees inflicting injury on themselves is stressful. because it is it is murders

to try to avoid letting it get to me i think he doesn't mean me personally he probably sees police officers on the flight as representatives of the german state and she holds them in contempt because he has to leave the country that is how i distance myself from the situation or it's over the week is a visit from your fiancee or. the migrants from nigeria have long since landed back home for the time being they may not return to germany their dream is over. one remains a country deeply scarred by the genocide 25 years ago about 800000 people were slaughtered in 100 days by ethnic hutu extremists they were targeting members of the minority to see communities as well as political opponents many of the killers mostly men have served time in prison but the genocide has had

a lasting and devastating effects on rwanda with ethnicity still very much a taboo subject our correspondent melanie jura to ball introduces us to men who are trying to talk about what happened in the hopes of healing them so. today these men sit side by side in community based social sarah p. to share their experiences during run discard our the 1994 genocide 25 years ago when up to a 1000000 tutsis a moderate hutus were wiped out in just $100.00 days it would divide it among those who carried out the killings and those who survived it. memories of being on the run and his pregnant wife had to give birth in hiding a bit. when we couldn't find a way that the baby would survive being with us but i still had friends who i was doing business with they helped me and they took my newborn at night to

a woman who run an orphanage at. the baby stage but a few days later the perpetrators went there to look for him they took my baby and killed him. after now lives a peaceful life with his wife. but he struggles with the guilt of not being able to protect the 12 members of his family who were killed during the genocide similarly former released perpetrators like every step have served their sentence are still haunted by what they call the shame of their past he says he's guilty of killing 4 people including to members of his own family. i came to realize that i can't escape my judgment i accepted it and went to ask my father in law for forgiveness it was too much to handle the fact that i had killed my mother in law i was in so much pain. many of the men returning from prison have struggled they

found their families estranged their role as the head of the household challenged in the image of their very own masculinity destroyed. they say these feelings however cannot be talked about in public. and always has to be strong a man has to suffocate his pain and behave like a man. the way i see it a man should also show his emotions in rwandan culture i can accept it in public. amounted to overcome his pain. and swell a bit here that's a local problem here in rwanda which reflects a dangerous society or men are expected to deal with their pain and grief alone in silence and internally although the country is hailed as a role model reconciling with its violent past a toxic image of mescaline if you persist and continues to help the healing process of its me a population. away from social pressures and the least and i'm glad they have found

a safe space to reconcile and work on the psychological. therapy helped. because we used to fear each of. whenever i saw a person i had wronged. i could feel my heart racing. we have no problems with the perpetrators anymore because they are part of the families of social therapy. when we meet now we are the same we have the same heart. but. the men have the same use social therapy group hope to contribute to the healing of their country so that future generations won't repeat their mistakes by facing their demons together they set an example so that rundown men learn how to show

their emotions and their society learns to accept that. for a powerful story did talk about this process of healing i'm joined now from southern germany by dr thomas teaches a neuropsychologist and has worked to help victims of conflict and trauma dr albert it's good to have you on the show you have worked with conflict victims in rwanda congo and in afghanistan to name just a few places how important is it in the healing process for for people to talk about past atrocities i think it's very important to understand what has happened in the past and what is actually straight some dangers in the prisons in the only way we really can a process that is talking about it and you have to talk about your thoughts your motions your feelings and also about your sensations we know that in

the in the in the fall well from the genocide of rwanda. there were in the massive changes in the legal framework of the country it is now illegal for example to talk about or to write about ethnicity in that legal environment how in the world can we expect people to open up about their nightmares that came from the genocide i cannot see how the legal framework that really is the problem here you are not allowed to officially notice whether you're outta wu or tutsi but people still know if i asked the people how do your children know they said well one is an art or an uncle in the other one isn't so it is very known it's just simply not good in birds but i cannot see how that would be an obstacle who are telling what has happened because you mention you are in tennessee i. imagine you have killed people with

a mushy where you have beaten them.