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everyone but. the lack of water these are equally dangerous. you can't see people. so they can plant crops and trying to meet sister. floods and droughts will climate change become the main driver of mass migration you can write any notice you want and probably more the political. climate exodus starts september 5th on d w. to mention a country that takes its climate protection goals seriously that became rich on oil yet still aims to ban cars that run on fossil fuels in just 6 years time. that country exists. norwegians aren't crazy they have a plan. germans have been building cars for over 100 years do we have
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a plan to the demise of the combustion engine is near the world is shifting to an electrified future. it's not an option anymore to say it won't happen we've crossed the line it's happening that's called the question isn't what type of engine is better or more environmentally friendly the car industry is in the throes of unprecedented change and germany risks being left behind the world's biggest car market china is powering an electric vehicle revolution and building the cars it needs itself. off trying to preserve jobs come hell or high water in sectors where i can see that world markets have already moved those sectors in a new direction that's the worst mistake you can make. the world has made up its mind has germany the birthplace of the automobile a proud car culture. that could be the model we know how to build
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a diesel engine ours are probably the best in the world we can also build combustion engines the question is does the world still need them. is germany prepared for the future and. we're in berrigan this was once norway's most polluted intersection don marks plus the junction of 2 major transport routes now the city's biggest electric vehicle charging station is located here. do you feel like a pioneer do you feel quite normal what normal is it's more 3 birds that don't have to pay the full grown up to go through
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a gas station and it's only if that's what i would say as well it doesn't work because it's so complicated. it's not. will you have a go back to come back to engine car definite then. no other country in the world has more electric cars per capita than norway 65 percent of all new cars sold here are electric or hybrid models the figures just 7 percent in germany it's not a coincidence it's political will norway wants to be a pioneer it sees climate protection as an opportunity for its economy not a threat it's already world leader in a mission free technology for ships. drivers of electric cars enjoy tax exemptions for free or cheap or public parking and the use of bus lanes charging stations and parking garages are standard. i meet up with christina who her association represents the interests of norwegian electric car owners. counts not just in
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norway german politicians and industry executives have also sought her advice. this clear direction is for the consumers also a clear sorry that this is this is where we're going and this is this is the future i'm really sick of hearing a car manufacturer is blaming consumers saying consumers are not ready if someone asked me if i wanted a smart phone before it was launched i would have understood even. if so many are now want to take what the smart phone to wait for me i would have you know it's a same with electric mobility the norwegian case show that if prices level consumers are more than ready to go electric so don't blame us don't blame the consumers do do that job. in oslo 77 percent of all new cars sold are electric within a year carbon dioxide emissions have by 9 percent. norway didn't invent the battery powered car in fact alternatives to can bust in engines have been around for
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a long time in 1975 mercedes rolled out its 1st emission for event. 1976 mark the birth of folks wagons electric gulf. b.m.w. launched its a one in the early 1990 s. . we showcased our 1st electric cars of the 1972 olympic games and they accompanied the marathon run we now have 20 years of experience under our belt and i think we've mastered the technology. it's give us 5 maybe 10 years then we'll be ready like. that because of what's a. 27 years later and we're still not ready germany is nowhere near to reaching its 2020 climate goals which foresee a 1000000 electric vehicles. on its roads next year instead we're still debating.
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our threshold set in stone. is the diesel engine better than its tattered reputation. part electric cars polluters and other ways. the geneva motor show stomping ground of the tradition conscious car industry here nothing seems out of order. after all. is unveiling a ban on it's a lecture. unfortunately it's not for sale yet. and that it presents the g $853435.00 horsepower 212 grams of c o 2 per kilometer this is not grounds that makes me feel like i can do anything anywhere at any time thank you very much thanks. thank you the. men who have.
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to date most german electric vehicles have been hybrids big heavy and above all the expensive prices start at $70000.00 euros the premium segment has a quote higher price elasticity which is another way of saying it reaps bigger profits for managers and shareholders. small affordable mass market ready german manufacturers have been slow on the uptake. carnation germany is evidently in no hurry to join the revolution. it's counting on tried and tested technology on slow change. step on bots and as a seasoned expert on the auto industry he's growing increasingly concerned that it's just so the for i think german carmakers have a 5050 chance of surviving this world the world's it could be that germany is simply a victim of its own success. it's. but on the whole with its auto manufacturers
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industry and political backing it was too comfortable to recognize the changes and draw the correct conclusions. to see in. germany has yet to produce a master plan for coping with a changing automobile industry maybe because change is the opposite of what the government and car makers have bonded over. some 800000 jobs are directly dependent on the auto industry many more are indirectly dependent. annual turnover. over 400000000000 euro this is. one reason why german politicians have long worked to avert any threat to the car industry protecting the sector from such disruptive change. but that. in 2018 the german chancellor addressed an annual gathering of german industry deep
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. we cannot alter the climate goals that we've set for ourselves and to an extent adopted as part of european climate targets as a whole particularly for 21st. by the end. i didn't put anything beyond those efforts threatens to drive the auto industry out of europe comic is would produce the cars they sell here somewhere else i stress that i do not want that to happen. is change necessarily a threat when it comes to the auto industry the german government seems to think so give me the only thing more use all means to fight restrictions as in driving bans our goal is to avoid driving bans and shape the future of mobility in a way that includes clean combustion engines. clean combustion engines a flexible concept in germany driving bans a. black threatening to curtail open roads for free citizens. the
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diesel emissions scandal so to anger in germany the auto industry stalled then she did then covered it up. and then cities imposed driving restrictions. waiting for compensation germany's yellow vests feel betrayed by corporations and punished by politicians. automotive freedom subsidized diesel fuel commuter allowances incentives to sweeten life in the suburbs. but now they say they're footing the bill for mistakes made by industry and government. saying no it's not like that it's not true of course they cheated and v.w. has to answer for that but we can't all be punished as a result of. this will
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have a huge impact on germany for years to come affecting the auto industry and it's all the way down to the last mechanic. germany failed to get in the driver's seat and forge a path for others to follow. it may prove an existential mistake because while we germans are still arguing about past emissions the rest of the world is already on the road to a new era. china the world's biggest and most important market. it's still growing. german carmakers helped our mass motor ization here and made a lot of money to command a market share of 23.2 percent in the combustion engine sector but just 0.4 percent in the electric car sector and that's a problem. no one can beat germany when it comes to technology for diesel and gasoline engines it has 130 years of experience. but when it comes to electric
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vehicles everyone is taking off from the same starting line and china is racing ahead. by 2025 beijing wants about 25 percent of cars sold annually to be plug in hybrids or battery powered not least because the country is suffocating in smog. but 25 percent in china equals the combined total of new cars sold in germany france and britain it's a giant piece of the pie a pile that if germany isn't careful will be divided up among others. china aims to stop selling combustion engine cars in 11 years. i've arranged to meet a german top manager who spent years at b.m.w. he helped develop the i ate a small electric revolution at the time. but then he turned his back on germany and
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came to china. he took half his development team with him. what opportunities did cost and brightfield identify here that he didn't see and germany. as you know the vehicles he's doing things happen in china at lightning speed and it's a gigantic market with $30000000.00 new cars sold each year and there's a ton of capital and investors in china and the issue has strong government backing in china if the government says more electric cars are the goal when the decision is made to install $50000.00 charging stations and by the next month are in place one of them so normally the follow up question in any interview is does that mean i'm against democracy and naturally i say no i'm not but if i look at the european democratic structures then i see how we spend about a decade discussing new ideas and after a decade all that's left is 10 percent of the original idea so we need to realize
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that if we maintain that pace of decision making and realization that we just won't be able to keep abreast of global developments going to reach. for killing in. las vegas the annual c.d.'s trade shows spotlights high tech innovations from around the world. before his current venture cost and buy fell helped build this car for chinese startup by. german manufacturing expertise lots of cash and unlimited government backing the ingredients china is using to power ahead on the market the mbai is a $40000.00 euro electric s.u.v. with a one meter 20 screen a tablet on wheels for video conferences or online shopping past the time in traffic jams get set for production late 2019. mercedes is here too with a glass prototype. the mid range combustion engine cars on the other hand can be
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purchased. b.m.w. also has a vision the i next electrics driving with a shag carpet it's not for sale. meaning another high profile german who jumped ship called thomas noirmont was on the books and board. c.e.o. of continental and then opel. now he lives in the u.s. where he's launched a startup. is this really the dawn of a new era dawn of a new era and down here we have the biggest s.u.v. that b.m.w. has ever built is not emblematic of the current situation in the german car industry. but sure you could say that it's kind of symbolic of what's going on.
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so i mean it certainly looks more like a dinosaur than futuristic. but the dinosaurs aren't sneering. extinction there are still successful money makers in the twilights of the combustion engine. means that you can success hinder progress. just because the german auto industry being held back by its own success i do think that's a big part of it yes it's hard to give up that success and say to some extent i have to destroy that success to create a new one because one's now you weren't exactly in a bad position at opel to make a start why didn't you. make it won't only did try and there i would have liked to fully electrify opel because when the emissions scandal hit i realized it's not enough to just adhere to the laws you need to develop a new mindset because that's the god and the mindset i would have liked for opel would have been able to full switch to electric car production by 2030. then we
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could have gone to lawmakers and said hey we need the framework so that this can work we both need to make sure this happens jobs will be lost but new ones will be created and electric vehicles will give rise to new business opportunities but where is this being discussed in germany or even in europe. maybe we germans simply can't part with their gas guzzlers yet because they're our invention and so slick. perfect machines with high precision parts to just keep getting better and stronger heavier. 2.5 tons german engineering genius the most complex driving machine in history. and electric car doesn't need all that instead of an estimated 2000 moving parts it has just 200 simply beneath our dignity. carnation germany appears comatose it's as if all the changes have nothing to do
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with us turn to the engines driverless cars new visions of transport. why can't we can't. we are a country of engineers perfection took us to the top. and continuity kept us there . abrupt change is exactly the opposite. i have an appointment with hoover can't now he chairs a government advisory panel want to research and innovation. and he has an explanation for what's gone wrong in germany. as you know what you have to work hard to attain the status of innovation leader the danger is that once you've made it to the top and there's a reversal then you get the so-called lock in effect the lock in effect means i'm trapped inside and can barely see a way out apart from extremely high expenditure so in the case of the auto industry we are now at the top of our game and fossil fuel powered cars no one comes close.
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what stepping out of that comfort zone towards other types of engines is associated with very high costs conversion costs transaction costs and that's called luck and that's what we have here in the german auto industry and that's the challenge. they think how should policymakers be steering development. in processes of deep structural change the government has a responsibility to secure people's incomes but not their jobs and no one should get left behind amid such structural change there needs to be a safety net somewhere. else jobs are trying to preserve jobs and sectors where i can see that world markets have already moved those sectors in a new direction is the worst mistake you can make. it can't have escaped anyone's notice that things are moving in a new direction in the sector diesel gate the emissions crisis theoretically
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a good time to be mapping out a transformation plan for policymakers to more of the same can't be the answer in a world under god. radical change others call the shots why is germany like a rudderless ship the german transport minister didn't have time to answer our questions instead we speak to junior minister step and into. our country is closely connected to the automotive industry so we need to consider the impact that major transformations will have on jobs. for us this transformation is a process of evolution not revolution and we're managing quite well. but isn't it precisely because of that responsibility that we should be driving innovation. back to ambitious climate targets we've always pursued ambitious goals at the european level which our automotive industry then has to implement. but there have been times when it seemed there was little political support for the
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most ambitious climate goals. proposals within the europe wide debate that we don't consider productive. in my view the goal should not be that we decide today. what transport will look like in germany in the years 20252030 or 2050 develop in the coming years. development in the wrong direction. when the car industry does well germany does well this old adage is a cornerstone of government policy. but what happens if the decades old symbiotic relationship between government and the car industry can no longer provide answers to today's challenges and the climate crisis. is one of germany's leading researchers in the field of transport.
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the german auto industry. we are currently. 6700000 jobs that we still have because we're protecting something that has no chance of survival. of the german government be making to keep us as a nation of car makers competitive. makers have had a long term please everybody. with the good life and even better if everyone buys german cars german technology with gasoline and diesel engines german inventions that's what we've been pushing. very good what's the danger. limit is the political if we continue this policy then we'll be overtaken because the world around us is different people and countries and above all cities elsewhere in the world have long since made the decision to phase out combustion engines and switched about 3 operated cars. if we don't play along we'll lose crucial export
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markets and we'll be sitting on technologies and cars that no one needs anymore. that's a problem and it's accelerating while germany slams on the brakes. civic out in the eastern state of saxony has a long tradition of building cars b.w. opened a plant here in 1990 the gold has been rolling off its assembly line for years. but its days are numbered change is coming probably also because a pioneer sounds better than emissions chief folks like it needs a new image. its vehicles are responsible for 2 percent of global carbon dioxide emissions the world's biggest carmaker wants to change that it's now taking climate goals like paris 2050 seriously and electric vehicles are the future. we show you just helped devise the plan he's chief strategist had folks walk and
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a close associate of c.e.o. habit defs. he filled a new position at b.w. it never had a strategist before. we know what you call a strategy that propagates diesel cars for decades and then suddenly says the future is electric. for starters one doesn't rule out the other we've never said diesel cars have lost their relevance. but in view of the challenges we all face to meet the paris targets and bring down c o 2 levels v.w. as a mass market producer really has no other choice. but i wasn't but are we in germany reacting fast enough given the speed of developments around the world . you know every technological transformation comes with teething problems whenever you rebuild something it takes 3 days before you get to run smoothly and another 3 days before you get used to it but if it all i don't get the feeling this will take
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3 days yeah it's well symbolically speaking. it can doubtlessly be sped up. speed is what the car industry needs now it's had its foot on the brakes for too long. the w's mass market electric model the id 3 will be built and stick out. the company is funneling 400000000 euros into the facilities conversion . but the switch to electric will make engine builders exhaust fitters field pump experts redundant. so b.w. is sending them on what it calls a learning journey to prepare for the future. long term employees will have new tasks. this is where the specialists are trained in
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a role play room called emotion. after a look back at the company history trainees get a vision of the future with virtual reality. these. are. not. an experience that everyone at this plant is slated to share. misfitting was based on what you know so far do you think you're in for a big change. that's what it will be a big change for everyone here. i mean w. is proud. out of the 17000 orders for electric vehicles but that's just the start the company builds 44000 vehicles every day.
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says. change is coming but what about the german auto industry and government policy can we afford to be complacent or worse yet without a plan china is building its own fleet of electric cars german engineers are helping. now german car makers want change faster than the government. but transport minister calls folks falcon's plan totally wrong and wants to keep an open technological mind. a look at norway shows government backed change gets results. so do clearly formulated goals of what we are telling you how false this got yes and it be showing how false that is so for the car industry to selling cars and all the fuses
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the how to be serious machine that's going to go in and something up so that's just the masses we have to make it happen fast and every country will benefit from being in the forefront of they see change said the lightning behind. it's the end of an era but also the beginning of something new the sooner we accept that and sees it as an opportunity the better. is coming all of this can be done if there's a will to get it done if we just sit back and wait to see what happens then will face major problems and i think we're already seeing the 1st signs of those problems today. if carnation germany doesn't look to the future then others will shape its beauty. industry and government to have sat back to launch. more of the same as no model for the future we need to hit the road.
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