hello and welcome to quadriga a decisive showdown over blacks at this week as members of the conservative party deserted their prime minister dealing him a harsh defeat that deprived him of his parliamentary majority against boris johnson's will some members of his party voted for a bill to stop his do or die pledge to leave the e.u. at the end of october with or if necessary without a negotiated deal with brussels could the last minute revolt save the u.k. from a no deal breck's it and even topple the prime minister said the end of the road for johnson that's our question for today and here are the guests who will answer it alex forrest whiting is a d.-w. reporter and a former westminster political correspondent she says the country's parliament and the conservative party are tearing themselves apart over bricks and prime minister

johnson appears to have lost control and taylor and is with us he's an expert on business and economics who formerly wrote for the german newspaper and the bitch and he says democratic convictions are more deeply rooted in the political system of britain than some populists seem to believe and it's a pleasure to welcome john worth he is an e.u. citizen with a u.k. passport who is a berlin he's a blogger political advisor and a member of the green party he says boris johnson is turning the conservative party into the rx at party but this week has shown that it's a dangerous game so let me start out by asking you alex you say that boris johnson appears to have lost control but appearances can be deceiving how does he actually perhaps overplayed his hand or could it be that he is playing into the hands of his. and could he wind up winning the end game. well i think we

can't write him often and this is my point particularly because he has some very strong characters behind him who are very good at the da cause she say so we can't write him off at the moment it looks like those who are opposing a no deal breck's it including those who want to remain in the e.u. are winning the game they've always they done very well in parliament by defeating him in these votes this week which has been a very difficult time for the prime minister given how he has been promised of the such a short amount of time so it has not been an easy week for him but he is still prime minister and he does still have a concept his sleeve i believe and i do not think that we can say that this is the end game for boris johnson let me ask you just very briefly could one of those cards still be snap elections yes absolutely i think that we will be see an

election in the u.k. the question is when will it be are we talking in a few weeks if you days ago all we talking about a couple of months ok we'll come back to that point in just a minute let me ask you john wirth highly respected tories were kicked out of the party this week for defying boris johnson now you say he is reshaping the conservative party into the brics a party but in fact britain already has it that party namely the new party founded in january by nigel thrush so wouldn't it rather than boris johnson's reconstituted conservatives be in the best position to rowdy those who want to leave going forward what you see there is exactly what much of frauds would like like to think byrne months however the british elections require lots of seats on the grounds lots of local campaigners amounts what the conservatives at least gold . for all his breaks in policy is much more of

a media operation it's very it's very polished in the way it comes over but it can actually do election campaigning on the ground and that's why essentially boris johnson's pitch is essentially to lose votes as to who voted for the brakes and part of european elections in may come back to the conservatives with a real brick city is now and to try is trying to unite all of those programs the voters behind the conservative policy he thinks the next election will be force on bret's its role of the main force on other topics and that's he's clear pitch come back to the conservatives we have the true bright city is now ok thanks very much and again we're going to take a deeper look at that in just a moment the detail in your opening statement said that democratic convictions are deeply rooted in the u.k.'s political system but as many of us have discovered over the last 10 days many of those conventions and convictions are not written down as black letter law and doesn't that in fact make it very difficult

to rein in an unscrupulous demagogue of the sort that boris johnson is proving himself to be if but my confidence is that the machinery of democracy has worked for for them for 400 years and and there may be a solution suddenly we have a snap election out of this as new majority neither labor and all the tories united and the rest have a majority then suddenly another person who is somewhere around turns up and can unite votes behind him and then suddenly we are in a new situation my trust is that the british political system and the put it too close for whatever we've seen in the last 2. years. can find solutions will find you should because it's deeply rooted in the well political senses and heart of the british me just push a little harder on that point because what we certainly heard over the past week as . that those conventions depended on the members of the political system says tribe

into unwritten rules of fair play and integrity and would you really say that boris johnson the people around him are doing so no mo meets no but i. advocated that out of the snap election that was. becomes a no majority for mr johnson but suddenly the country from june night's hine someone who is not being a candidate before that is easily possible to sort of when to dish it is deeply rooted in the british political so it might come up to be used ok i was just going to say the problem with that is that we that we have seen in the past few months in british politics m.p.'s leaving either the labor party or the conservative party and trying to set up a new party to do exactly this and it has not done very well they have some of those members have now left and joined the liberal democrats which is a 3rd party and this is the problem with the british political system at the moment

it is very adversarial it is based on a 2 party system and that is why bracks it has proved to be rather complicated i want to come back to that in just a moment but i'd really like to 1st bring in a report that gives us a somewhat deeper look at the politician who seems to hold the u.k.'s fate in his hands at the moment. his career as brick city a leader launched with online. the u.k. was obliged to pay the e.u. 350000000 pounds each week his campaign claimed that was hugely exaggerated nevertheless his anti e.u. stance helped him become prime minister in late july e.u. partners of rebuffed his attempts to renegotiate now boris johnson is steering the country towards a no deal breaks it. we're leaving on the 31st of october.

we will see any attempt to go back on our policies. that referendum to stop parliament from passing a law that would rule out a hardbacks it in order to fight week suspension of the house of commons but the prime minister faced a huge backlash but massive protests erupted in many british cities is boris johnson harming british democracy. let me put that question straight away to john worth whether boris johnson is harming british democracy is certainly some people said as he suspended parliament essential sending it on a forced and lengthy vacation that that amounts to a cook i think to call it a curious perhaps exaggerating it somewhat but nevertheless. in the not sitting for 5 weeks in the middle of a political crisis it is an extremely worrying development and it's basically said boris johnson can avoid parliamentary scrutiny so essentially he's trying to push

parliament away because he knows the parliament aarons don't really support his brakes it plans now what we're seeing this week and we'll see more next week at least is that parliament fighting back is trying to use the little time it's got available to bind boris johnson's hands as much as possible but it's a very delicate situation and we're not yet certain whether parliament will actually win the battle against for a strong.