every journey begins with the 1st step and every language with the 1st word emerged from the. coaches in germany to learn german one. simple. learning course nikos speak german maybe. we can make china a peaceful country you have. so many times i'm telling you the. politicians in taiwan have been out campaigning in presidential primaries ahead of next year's election with the topic of relations with china very much. so i guess this week. there's been speaking with. china pushes with increasing reunification on the taiwanese continue to reject it.

thank you very much for inviting me. you said the only way to resolve antagonism between china and 2 i one is to talk and to love. to know your lover showing the threatening taiwan both verbal and militarily and holding a sword over your head continually how do you love what world does your impression actually if you talk to some chinese in mainland china as long as you don't support separation from china they are not treat you like that they are not attack you don't say the wrong thing other was right and you know you are not realize that you think that's

a normal way to live the power across 180 kilometers of the straits as to you if you say the wrong thing you finished why do you think i don't think it's that serious you have to be serious you know keep saying i think you have to talk to each other if you try to visit china so call the china we call the mainland ok we are taiwan our mainland we together is that china is a one china war if you think the threats from china is so serious as one why do you european people all the people around the world all the members are in the e.u. and try to work with china try to have dialogue with china try to solve problems it's true that you know that as well as i do it's not a human rights record is their work and its trade and we can do that too apart from trade what exactly it is democratic time i was having common these days with one party communist china you have free elections yes you will change your party in

power they don't you have independent courts they know you have a free press they don't you can speak out against abuses of power and they can't what on earth have you got in common with mainland china these days i think we should emphasize differences. go there work with them be their friends be their brothers and change that instead of being their enemies go there walk with them you can change. whether you are doing with them now what you're going to do a country about human rights what on earth or in china is that you can change them what on earth is the evidence what you see the trade surplus china with rights you see a lot of changes in hong kong recently why china is not using force to press down be demonstration why the compromise why because they seek opportunity to prove they can change they came pruitt will come on to hong kong a little later i want to go into some detail on that but the serious issue is the

military pressure from china is that even 2 years ago your government's national defense report highlighted concerns that chinese military activity near taiwan posed an enormous threat to security in the taiwan states now just a few days ago you had washington sewing that china stepped up its pressure in the largest increase in military activity around taiwan for 20 years and you think that's meaningless why us say china is going to interfere in the lecture in tell you why and so us is coming here to interfere in taiwan is. you happy with these bullying time not because i know what they are i'm not happy about bullying thing but i'm not what i was doing i'm happy about you know we can do business with each other we can't ask of china to make changes we are the only people on earth believe that we can make that happen we can make china

a peaceful country where you you look back at the history who are the invaders who are the invaders japan right who participated the wars in asia. if you want to live in history you want to live in the now i want you little universe in modern humans i assure people i want you i want to make history clear then who are the invaders ok if you want to be someone's enemy then they will be your enemy if you want to be someone's friend always following your ideas because you have friends if only like ok let me tell you one thing while thing why us is selling our 16 to taiwan instead of $35.00 and the us is selling f. $35.00 to korea to japan to singapore to other countries why the united states gave the early island to to japan instead of taiwan it was our territory why the us is doing that to taiwan.

vice president of the taiwan foundation for democracy said last month to move on to more taiwanese feel the nation is now on the existential threat and you seem to be out of touch with that feeling totally you don't feel a lot of the reality i feel the reality i know how to deal with the chinese in mainland. i know what's the fact i know you have to give you a clue from you how long have to deal with them as a politician i tried to deal with them when i was the mayor here the the big city mayor i work with the city in one gene i try to communicate with them i try to work with them try to ameliorate carbon emissions e.c.s. environmental issues education e.c.s. will work with them to battle that could magic front where they continue to squeeze you where they ramp up the pressure where they try to persuade countries to drop their recognition diplomatic recognition that you did that you not curiosity china

didn't remember this you lost in 1000000028 teams to the right to chinese russia you can have an intersection using an engine failed q you recognize china you don't recognize the the republic of china you will recognize me because i'm going to talk about republicans and we were talking about china is taiwan we were their representative of china before 971 and the un i talk. about in history and this is going to be artistic you know i'm telling the fact we exist here that the are we seeing you sit here and that's what you called the taiwan but you never knew i couldn't that is the hour see here you recognize the p.r.c. rates what in the e.u. when i read an article recently we here are 21 china policy as regards to taiwan and hong kong and i just i think it should be defined like there's we are here to one china policy as regards to mainland taiwan hong kong and my cup was to show

you're not talking about china that continues to thwart one's participation in international organizations like the world health organization and interpol for instance you want to be members of those organisms want to sign up as i want you to help us is trying to stop it why you agree. tomorrow's you know being asked why do you never criticize your maybe i just as i ask a question everybody i think when you say dr drew i know you know men trying to do you read a lot i didn't say that we've read a lot of i have a chance i have to express my opinion about china as no toys are going to set up this is wrong this is what tell you i have here one more thing the un the e.u. even germany you recognize the p.r.c. you don't recognize the scene and i truly hope one day you recognize the hour see

you know how to participate doubly h. o. ok i and you see the chinese a lot of the luck about your walk we have a lot of investigation to try to talk about we were talking as what we should try to those results i didn t. if you so much greater reality see that candy did that candy tried to talk to mainland china time they tried to sound trite yet they tried to do let us put his head mr cho especially the daily h o n i c a or mr show beijing is clearly losing patience with taiwan while you dream of some vague love in between taipei and the mainland china is crystal clear what it wants from you and that's reunification and it refuses to rule out the use of force to get it doesn't it and you live with that and you normalize that on a daily basis ok in our consciousness saying to the not you can unfasten you couldn't possibly constitution ok there's only one china policy. and that

includes mainland taiwan hong kong and in my car that's in our constitution we should buy and buy our country's constitutional rights you're being told by xi jinping as you were in january unification is an inevitable requirement for the great rejuvenation of the chinese people he said taiwan should accept that it must and will be reunited with china whatever talks you've been having with china hasn't got the mother vattel idea and how many people in taiwan want that the unification of under 3 percent there or about that i'm going to don't worry about what the reporting about you don't know about what a lot of people up i think but don't worry about their threatening words why don't you stand up to those threatening words what we stand up to you why don't we stand up to that but you know have a cigarette remember iran must and well ok and i did with china have you got them

out to me have you tried to take a lot of our constitution to have you tried to take a look of loss to show you our last word china saying our laws and in our constitution we want to peaceful relationship we want to unification. the people the people dogs asking are law and the constitution people they didn't it doesn't matter what their country why they want them to try to amend the constitution that's your perception our people here want to have a peaceful relationship with the mainland and we want to make money we want to do business together we want to have a democracy in the future in mainland china but not fighting against their own not taking down s. and anime trying to be their friends and a tragic change down by participation past like what you do elsewhere do you know that's working so well as to the reality is mr joe the beijing's push on unification puts your party the kuomintang into

a very difficult position those with your veteran china expert suchi actually said that you said she didn't ping took away all the space for ambiguity and that puts us the kuomintang in a very difficult situation that difficulty being that your party is being told get on with this by china and you don't have a policy of standing up to it do you do have a policy. i declared that i claim that i want to unify china i want to unify under taiwan the last young chance 23000000 people watched i was against the courage i was made that was my partner see i this was the center so it's countersuit you have to remember that all 3 not happen. in the world you have to understand the history in the world what's happening now unification separation yes yes that's the process unification separation separation unification. that's a track of the has 3 but there's one thing very important not i often learn wrong

it's never mind the track of westerly track of mystery is just words there's a track of you know you just know it's the fact the question is what people want to know how human nature is that the vast majority of your population to me as a member wants unification to me i know have you ever stood up strong allies and out of you have to say to each of them stand up for the republic of china have you ever said no to beijing yes for many times what's wrong with human rights issues through yes really yes because when you imagine activities can then x. and they happen 730 years ago i vetoed down 2 years whenever i went to china i told them you need to introduce democracy to your society or they're listening yes will you isn't it so once you the 1st of the brightest crackdown in 25 years taking place on human rights activists human rights watch reported last year human rights defenders continue to enjoy arbitrary detention imprisonment and in force disappear

yes and you say nothing about that. have you heard i said anything about that i get just now i even told them i even told them because you don't know my history the old in with them i have the many dialogues with them i told them you have to improve that's human rights that's international standards of treating your people i told them to ok i have to tell you one thing if you don't participate if you don't join them if you don't treat them like they can improve their nothing good is going to happen and what i did live here it's a fine line between that and the peace movement isn't it yes it's a very flexible and fine line it's very ambiguous but you have to do that from your heart. people know that never spoken up for the tiny taiwanese democracy activists leming che it's more than living change more than 2 years since he was forcibly

disappeared you haven't heard of him please chair it's more than 2 years since he was forcibly disappeared by police in china's province and charge was subversion of state power he's a citizen of taiwan you don't talk about you don't even know he's let me know he's in terrible conditions human rights groups around the world have been campaigning for his release no one of our government sentenced to 5 years in jail can't get phone calls can't get letters 4 times his wife was prevented from from going to china to visit. and you know his rights are being around 20 years ago i tried to talk to chinese communists to release and as peter naish suspects a lady who just got married and was released recently i talked to our government. went down was the ruling party and they didn't step in they didn't

try to rescue her she was sentenced to death however in jail for 20 years and just a year ago she was released probably just at the in this year she was released and look what the people here have done to help human rights you know we should try to work together and we should try to talk to them and what the government here do let's talk about hong kong again you mentioned earlier the interview and you were you were praising china that they had shown restraint with the demonstrations not praising them for that who started this in the 1st place ok that's the more right. for what the demonstrators will tell you that it was a constant erosion of their freedoms under the one country 2 systems formula that forced them onto the streets anywhere the denial of universal suffrage the

kidnapping of booksellers the banning of a political party the prevention of elected legislative council is taking their seats because they didn't like the politics that constant erosion of freedom under the one country 2 systems that's the system that she is offering you one country to nurse them i suggest you take a look what's been happening here in taiwan in the arrow see the ruling party d.p.p. who claimed they protect human rights there is a minority you know i have to tell when it embarrasses anything happening here that's the reason why it's so embarrassing because our ruling party is trying to act martial law here doing something even worse and there is one law related to national security you know that's what they are doing here our ruling party here. of course we criticize the hong kong government especially the council tried to

establish a law which your hong kong residents disagree and a dozen trusts sold out the show you the latest heritage of that to your chief executive you carry lamb the chief exec she's beijing's appointing russian history she is the appointee even so-called elected by some hong kong representation is. that she was more asked hong kong people as come from people is there democracy is serious system as can compete let me come back to the question and this is the one thing is important they were to draw. a lot draft right they've suspended it they said it was not they still there said they have said it's dead they said they would drop because they did something wrong there in the meat i think there's something preceding with it but not now that's that's what's happening before now they say their words. you're satisfied it's over now i'm not

satisfied about that i'm worried about what's happening here in taiwan and the one country 2 systems formula that she jinping has offered to taiwan we don't have to read the that or that's not going to happen that's not going to happen and you mean hong kong is not going to have different systems from china system isn't the last thing i think the system what should exist because that's the the window shop for chinese they should to show that improvement of democracy to the world hong kong system is a joke isn't if they try to violate that it's going to embarrass them just to show isn't a lesson that you should take away from hong kong is that china doesn't live up to its promises of democracy isn't that the lesson i think and i think talking and one thing i love china i don't live up to the note on this i do think we should try

to change then we should try to improve them you should 1st say no to them wong how do you know i didn't say no to them. doing that i've been doing that for so many years every time i visited china i talked to them. i say improve your system especially a democratic system and they step up their interference with all of them look at the propaganda war that's being waged against taiwan a study by the university of gothenburg in sweden said you're one of china's major targets for spreading disinformation happy about direct interference well i think. we all see so called the taiwan should be more more opened to outside world especially with western society or avoiding we question are doing is just information came here while china is trying to do that but other countries also try to do that too i think we should take active actions in solving their problems

well they're open society but not open enough to the outside world or people of how many english speaking channels here so take a look about how many how much international media are existing here in taiwan we're not exposed enough to the outside world however the politicians here try to close the door. try not loz you know we are one we. know should we or you we we emphasize local lies ations so much instead of internationalization that's what you don't want to see more going on here is who do you know when you really mean is ourself 1st you don't want to admit it now we want to improve ourselves too we also want to improve china remember i want to take active active process active approach to china to make china change this idea that you can make sure the cheering which frankly is pretty much of

a long shot why should people vote for your next year well if you're selling fantasies like this one no we're not selling fantasy. be realistic it's a difficult competition. one of you trying to realize what d.p.p. can do if you peter is the one who came to the really election why don't you take a look what we're fighting for we're fighting for true democracy here and give the ruling democracy here we're trying to build a peaceful relationship with china with the mainland we're trying to create a better society here we're trying to introduce your systems your values here to taiwan we're trying so hard to do that if we want to come dance of people here that can keep this country perfectly well then we have to respect the

democracy we have to open our society to the outside world we have to be honest to our people the bad but our ruling party is cheating our people well the bad news for you is that a plurality of taiwanese 45 percent don't identify with your party or the ruling d.p.p. do they take a look take a look at you're right you're right they don't trust the parties here yeah they don't trust you and then don't trust that they don't trust our party you're not saying anything that they think is relevant what i believe they're what they're saying is relevance we realize the fact already people don't trust the parties here people don't trust the politicians here which is why i would think i trust you i mean you you said in the 2nd probably debate within the close of a primary do you claim that the number of time when these people below the poverty line was believed to be around 3200000. which is a fact simply not true which is simply not true it's true that if you research you

know essentially taiwan proportionally contains fewer people living in poverty than any other country and you know nobody almost no time no i mean i met them in less than 2 years on the listen to me patients leave you know when i was to me here in time the county. they are around one quarter of the students could afford their lunch there is one quarter in a few times that proportion to the total population here in taiwan and tell me in fact and i'm right that's very low i'm telling you the fact that's not the facts that's the fact i'm telling you the fact why don't you listen almost no time when he is live on less than $1.00 us dollars a day that's noble prodigy lad that is that really you have a poverty that's growing population of poverty is different or really might have been a relative of the it is not know who wrote yes relative to every minute yet that's

my definition and ubiquitous as my donation i can tell you if any student cannot afford their lunch then he's and his family is living in poverty that's my definition if it all goes wrong here in taiwan and she didn't bring loses patience and somebody says something they shouldn't say. and china looks as though it's moving towards an invasion would you fight for taiwan. or not where do your loyalties lie mr cho weight loyal to our country the republic of china well loyal to our constitution you would you fight your show you yes yes yes if they violated our constitution to preserve and protect our people and defend our people i'll fight against the child so she way you're going to have your own comfort so thank you thank you very much thanks

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