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tv   The Day  Deutsche Welle  September 11, 2019 4:02am-4:30am CEST

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order along the cold war's fault line crumbled as people rose up demanding freedom and berlin is an inspiring story but does it translate beyond europe's borders well this young man says it already has the activist joshua was his is the face of protests against the heavy hand of chinese rule tonight he is here in the german capital and he tells me why hong kong is now the new berlin i'm broke off in berlin this is the day. with guess the me take them where they're from minister of germany i express the must for germany coffer meant to send a clear message to president xi with me it's room for german media and politicians to grab attention by staging a political show with anti chinese separatists it disrespects china something and
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its interference in china's intent on the thing just like hala no one could predict imagine the pretty what will fall busy most soviet union will collapse free decades ago we have to let the dream come true and continue our fights fields words deeds and plots that you seek foreign support to split the country will say. also coming up u.s. president trump wanted to negotiate with the taliban at camp david his national security advisor john bolton did not bolton is now history what about those taliban talks. dead dead dead rising i'm concerned that that they thought that that it killed people in order to put themselves in a little better negotiating position can't do that with me so that that is why subjects are. to our viewers on p.b.s. in the united states and all around the world welcome we begin the day with the man from hong kong who refuses to accept. future made in china 22 year old joshua
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walker has become the face of hong kong's resistance against what many see as the creeping authoritarian reach of beijing he is leading a fight against what some say is the inevitable that one day hong kong special status within china will be no more or wong insists that hong kong have a right to determine their own destiny but in the eyes of beijing this is a dangerous dance with the notion of regime change it has already gotten him arrested earlier this week when he tried to board a plane to fly to berlin police detained him for 24 hours today i spoke with joshua walking about his hopes for his whole and why those hopes have brought him here to berlin. just one year here in berlin and you've said that hong kong is the new berlin what do you mean by that under the rule off press and she's been paying
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erode on hong kong people autonomy and freedom we strongly experienced a crackdown off human rights with protests which similar as was experienced by people in burning in the last century also and to a group that's the reason we have people in germany can stand with hong kong standing with hong kong means what are you here asking for immigration policy to be changed for hong kong or is coming to germany how do veiled occur and weezer mechanism to. welcome hong kong people to under fret that will be a good move and it could direction but more important is we hope people in germany and the chancellor can show a strong stand to support hong kong's democratization to ultimate and fundamental co for us is to elect our own government the leader of hong kong which means chief executive should be a vote by us is that off hand picked by beijing and let's say that happens what happens after that. hong kong people can finally be the master of their own house
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we can determine our own field and that's 20 instead of dominated by beijing but what happened is john after the 50 years are over even in 1907 there was this agreement made you know the 2 systems one state and that in 2047 which which are in game beijing claim that they allow hong kong people and drove one country to system after transfer of sovereignty on 1907 but now is not only result in $1.00 and $1.00 plan the hof system is result in the collapse of one country 2 system after the 50 year unchanged policy and i'll to make go is allowing hong kong people to determine their political and economic status by our own will is that off dominated all controlled by beijing but by then you're asking china then none to have sovereignty over its own territory and china has every right to say what it wants to do with this territory we strongly aware hong kong is under their rule of beijing hong kong
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is part of china but is dozens means that the state of hong kong people need to be man a plate and controlled by beijing forty's hong kong being recognized as the global city we are the one willing and continue to fight for free election and that's our persistent and we hope to be the master off our own house i know there's a lot of hesitation and pressure and people might say that will we be too naive or not practical but just like no one could predict imagine the burden will fall or soviet union will collapse free decades ago we have to let the dream come true and continue our fight some people have said that hong kong years have more in common with new yorkers and londoners than they do with their own compatriots in china do you agree with them i strongly aware that we are not only is seeking specific a single individual country people to support us especially people in germany i believe they share our difficulties and challenge under the hot line sun. pression
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well helping you what's it going to look like immigration that i asked you about i mean did you hear from the the foreign minister today did you get a promise that it's going to be easier for hong kong or is to come to germany with yes day meeting with the fraud minister of germany i express the musts for germany kaufman to send a clear message to president xi sending troops adducing martial law in hong kong must not be the way out free in action is the only solution at the same time i also urge german government to stop the export license off those equipment including rubber bullets and tear gas to allow and produce proof becomes a life threatening force in hong kong i hope the german government after the shock me 10 yesterday with me with the foreign minister they realize that hong kong politico and economy freedom must be safe got not only by hong kong people but that's also the responsibility of leaders how to maintain their unique status off
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hong kong international financial center ok you say world leaders what about u.s. president donald trump if you're going to the u.s. leader this week are you expecting or are you hoping that donald trump is going to say hong kong from beijing safe hong kong from beijing the major responsibility come from hong kong not anyone else but world leaders and also probably around the world must realize that how hong kong is stand in the front line to be the frontier to confront oppression just like the g. 7 summit issue feel weeks ago to show their support on the hong kong government execu and recognize the existence of say no protests john decoration to an international treaty emphasize hong kong people enjoy the right to have high degree of autonomy and hong kong people ruling hong kong i hope u.s. government and bipartisan support can show to hong kong people which which leader of which power would you consider to be most useful to your goals i hope shoot get
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. concretion often my whole trip and often next saturday especially i hope to schedule a meeting with government official and also bipartisan congressman and senator at u s yeah i hope to let the people around the world to know that supporting hong kong stand with all call is not a matter of off left all right just a matter of right or wrong and when i ask you you know you were arrested before you left hong kong to come here we know that the foreign ministry in beijing doesn't like what you have been saying here you're going back to hong kong next weekend are you afraid of what's going to happen when you arrive in hong kong do you think you're be arrested again president xi jinping is the one believe in. we cantone expect predict he all his government really react rationally that's why even facing a friend to be arrested again and in fact i need to face the trial on 8 off november because off the prosecution from hong kong government we will still continue our fights and of course i with the flight back to hong kong and let hong
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kong people to know that we never walk alone so everyone thank you thank you well the bridges in hong kong are not reserved for young students like josh what young pensioners and young people sometimes find themselves standing shoulder to shoulder in front of a police barricade. approaches just collect food keep with the construction helmet gas mask and a pair of goggles ryan hates to street again and melts into the sea of black. among hunk on precious to his he's known as a young mon a wonder the braves the 19 year old lies to his parents every time he goes out to protest this time he told them his off to play football instead he set a barricade confronting the police. so of course it would be perfect if we didn't need to fight it would be most ideal to make the government concede with just peaceful rational and nonviolent actions but the hong kong
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government has made us understand that being moderate and peaceful is useless. as the sky turns dog attention pros on the front lines younger protesters of those who most often get injured when dr police disperse the crowds. but they're not without their defenders this one from a whole different generation grandpa was. the 85 year old is using his body as a shield he margaret oh my god i don't beat up the children. please let them go home no no i'm not going out. and we will make the good money has someone there to lean on the 73 year old grandpa chen oh my god king when the police charge in the youngsters all citizens confiscate fast enough we have to stand between them and block the police's advance to give citizens time to get away with age i don't go on to believe that there's terms like yours often fall
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on deaf ears. tonight brian got shot in just by my brother bullets but he says he won't retreat. brian is stunned for tonight but a struggle he's joined for the future of home calm appears far from over. all still to come on the day the story of a german teenager who ran away to join islamic state now her father wants is daughter to come home. doesn't quit just by the problem of war criminals but i want my child back if i have to stand trial for giving money to a terror organization and i gladly go to jail that the main thing is you got. my daughter back. will the man considered to be the biggest hawk inside the trump white house is no longer inside the white house in
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a shocking announcement the u.s. president's national security adviser john bolton tweeted that he resign this morning but that is not exactly how president trump is describing their parting of ways trump announced his decision on twitter tweeting i informed john boehner last night that his services are no longer needed at the white house i disagreed strongly with many of his suggestions as did others in the administration and therefore i asked john for his resignation which was given to me dysmorphic i'll be naming a new national security advisor next week now here is how bolton said it happened i offered to resign last night and president said let's talk about it through tomorrow will trump and bolton have clashed many times over foreign policy including how to handle north korea iran syria and most recently afghanistan
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bolton was reportedly vehemently opposed to a planned meeting with the taliban at camp david which president trump called off over the weekend. and i think meeting is a great thing i think that meeting with you know you talking about war there are meetings with war otherwise wars would never end you'd have a go on forever. we had a meeting scheduled it was my idea and it was my idea to terminate and i didn't even i didn't discuss it with anybody else are there was the u.s. president speaking earlier today i'm joined tonight by graham smith graham has written about and reported from the war in afghanistan extensively he has been an analyst for the united nations he's now a consultant for the international crisis group and he joins me from london graham welcome to the day i'd like to start if i could by getting your reaction to john bolton's departure do you see a connection between the resignation or the firing to that canceled meeting with
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the taliban yeah it looks as though john bolton is just another war just another casualty in the growing death toll in afghanistan in some ways you know. i guess just today from european capitals from doha where the taliban are from people everybody is trying to figure out what this needs for the ask and peace process and i think the consensus is that. it is probably puts the peace process on life support. you know president trump has said that. this is dead this is finished. i've not yet convinced you know if senator john bolton is departing then may be those who are pushing for diplomacy still a chance in the white house well trump says that those talks with the taliban are
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dead because one u.s. soldier was killed in a recent attack by the taliban do you buy that. no i don't think anyone is buying that actually many u.s. soldiers have been killed during the long months of secret negotiations between the united states and the taliban. none of those deaths to real diplomacy. and you know just the next day after trump canceled the camp david meeting u.s. secretary of state mike hunt peo went around the sunday talk shows claiming that u.s. forces killed a 1000 taliban in the last 10 days so it's very clear that the americans have maintained a very high level of military pressure against the taliban and the taliban have also been fighting back as well so no the death of one u.s. soldier is not a reasonable explanation for why the talks are structured. today the taliban said that washington will regret canceling the talks and it valved to continue its
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fight against u.s. forces but. the taliban did not say you know categorically there will be no more talks i mean it almost left a little window open there for peace talks do you see that as you know maybe something promising. definitely yeah i think you're right the target are relatively moderate so far in their response the statement that they put out on sunday was pretty much a sort of business as usual kind of a statement that some of the interlocutors that we have on the ground in afghanistan saying they're sort of waiting to see what this actually means before reacting too strongly you've seen. a couple of major occasions on the streets of. number one is the anniversary of the death of ahmed shah masood
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sort of northern resistance leader when his followers come out on the under streets normally that's a real moment of vulnerability security wise and we didn't see any major taliban attacks on the streets and reporting that some variation and also. you know preparations are getting underway for a shura the shia holy days that's right and you know people are out on the streets of cool putting up flags you know and none of that has been attacked as the far either so the child and appear to be showing some restraint grip i want to ask you about something that you you said. back in 2011 you said that in the year 2001 america's best partner in the fight against terrorism would have been the taliban now that was an explosive statement that you made on the 10th anniversary of the 911 attacks do you still think that tonight on this eve of the 18th anniversary and do you think that donald trump was thinking along this line when he
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invited the taliban to come to camp david. yeah i mean the fact is that if you're really worried about international terrorists running around the mountains of afghanistan you probably want to be doing business with the people who control those mountains and you know militarily on the ground a lot of time that's the taliban at the moment. and yeah i've been saying this for a very long time i think it's about a decade now that i've been writing op eds and so for a saying that probably your best partner against international terrorism would be the taliban and tell them you know in practical terms that have been fighting some very bloody battles in recent years against the local affiliate of the so-called islamic state in the eastern mountains of afghanistan you know hundreds and hundreds of battles between the taliban and the local isis in syria and i think the americans have noticed that you know it gets their attention when people are out there with kalashnikovs killing isis and so i think that may be part of why
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the american opinion of the taliban is beginning to change a little i guess it's not completely changed but it's beginning to change greenspan's joining us tonight from london with valuable insights. to the u.s. the taliban and the situation in afghanistan graham thank you. germany white other nations is still debating the repatriation of citizens who left to fight for so-called islamic state it's thought that more than a 1000 german nationals went to syria and iraq to join us half of them are still there the 1st orphans of all u.s. fighters have already been brought back to germany but there's still no plan for dealing with the adults a new documentary follows the story of leonore a would be her father's fight to bring his daughter home.
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might messing ask himself why a 1000 times his daughter has been gone for 4 years. your own child would rather be with terrorists then with you and she even thinks it's cool. in syria. he was seen as one of the highest ranking germans in the so-called islamic state she became his 3rd wife but she and the other 2 wives started fighting leonora also witnessed the terror group's brutality and after a few weeks she wanted to go home desperate to help her father went to turkey and hired a people smuggler link to the al qaeda terror organization my coordinated the life threatening mission by his phone and rocca several attempted meetings between leonora and the people smugglers fell through the family lived in fear for weeks.
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and months to get to a point. i had a real feeling of helplessness you're trying to distract yourself and not think about it too much because you can't do anything about it i think this next by. the rescue attempt failed that sense of helplessness lasted for weeks months and years when the last i a strong hold fell early in 2019 loon or ended up. the home prison camp and northern syria where she now lives with her 2 children born in i as territory german reporters were able to meet her and asked why did you join us she tried to explain herself. islam lot and so kind of islam was a trend a lot of people in germany converted facebook i got caught up in a facebook group that maybe it had something to do with my age and wanting to take part in a revolution i was interested in stupid things now i definitely want to go back to
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my family in a family of. germany's federal prosecutor is investigating the now 19 year old she suspected of spying for islamic states intelligence service and supporting the terror group plan or denies the allegations the german government will decide if and when she may come back home meanwhile her father mike messing can't wait. well amir with ali is an iraqi journalist he worked on that documentary leonora how a father lost his daughter to states good to see you again i want to talk with you you met leonore for the 1st time in a camp. and in northern syria you've interviewed other supporters of the so-called islamic state i mean is it really possible to have gone to these strongholds and you have had no involvement with and i ask ron it's difficult to say that because
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if they do not do something physically. they made already 100 percent something morally wrong just to join and this time extend joining that terror organization killing innocent people this is a moral question i think. innocent 100 percent that is no one join is that mix that is the state but nevertheless the woman as the illinois law 15 years old john is the mixtape i think just to put it in the context she's still as i met a year ago she lived as she said so a lot of experience so bomb being and terrell and everything she's in it. in the level of 880 years old woman but she state and they love the law of 15 years a girl she's a knave like other girl that we met before i ever for in iraq and in syria.
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yeah naive but she she made the decision to go joint is one big state you talked with her father about this me how did you get versus how do you get him to open up to you but do you also ask him you know does he feel responsible for his daughter making a decision to do something like that exact these very transparent and he's very all pretty talk about his like an innocent angel no he's talking about as a someone made a criminal. this is not we cannot see this reaction and all the. parents of that jalousies. the relationship between the girl and the father was or was very very perfect very nice told the day before she left him the question is she want to find
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a identity because the their parents divided and. divorce and she would like to find a solution for have problems but she was just like any girl she has a channel she marked ink makeups and so on and suddenly she went to slam state and giant. husband yeah it's an it's an incredible story an excellent documentary and them so it's always good to have you here at the big table thank you thank you much and if you want to find out more about leonore's story you can watch the full documentary on our you tube channel at youtube dot com slash d w documentary well the day's almost done the conversation of course continues online you find us on twitter you can follow me at brit go off t.v. and remember whatever happens between now and then tomorrow is another day we'll see you then everybody.
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