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she needs to be. discovered. subscribe to the documentary. you like it that way the country divided. in your opinion is trying to reason may have a deal wasn't perfect but it would have delivered perhaps what will be sex tension a change what is another 3 months going to change here in london it's still all about. boris johnson who was shut down a fractious and angry parliament but not before m.p.'s managed to do him serious
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damage denying him a date for the next general election and forcing him by law to seek a love of brecht's extension from the e.u. if you can't get a deal with the 19 my guest to this week is andrew bridge a conservative m.p. and leading supporter who boris johnson now upgrade the law the parliament has put in front of him. and to britain welcomes conflicts of. one of the biggest obstacles preventing a deal between britain and the e.u. is the irish backstop the so-called insurance policy to keep open border between northern ireland and the irish republic the government has promised new proposals well rather well i think they're already out there also to arrangements have been discussed for over. 12 months a trust a trade a scheme for regular trade it's
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a very relatively small amount of trade that goes across the board about turn of 1000000000 pounds a year but only exemption exemptions for small traders. and checks away from the border but aug 21st the prime minister said in berlin standing beside angela merkel you rightly say the onus is on us to produce those solutions he hasn't produced any since then why not well i think to an extent the irish border issue is a is a conflated issue in my view. before the irish border became a stick with which to beat the the u.k. government during these negotiations were going there was no reason i just what there was where the proposals are all the proposals are and we're out of the proposals are all proposals that were out there a few months after the referendum was a joint statement by the head of h.r. massey normal and and customs actually south of the border which had the current infrastructure on the border was quite sufficient to deal and there are any outcome
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said it isn't look if the the minister is playing politics with this issue isn't it because the backstop 20 democratic let's not forget that he actually voted for that backstop in the withdrawal agreement in may just 4 months ago the 3rd time it was put out to vote so it can't i didn't i didn't so dominate rob so the leader of the house jacob the small bleeding light of your european research group who said if we take this deal we are legally out of the e.u. it restores independence that's what you want it for heaven's sake restoring independence for backstop wasn't so terrible 4 months ago why is it terrible now i think they were looking at the lesser of the rules i think they could see that it was slipping away potentially and it was to reason made a deal or no bracks said i didn't hold to that opinion the fact was the truth and i put a job on the line and said if you if you back my withdraw agreement and get it through i will stand down and let someone else take over the negotiation about the future
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relationship i think it's you that was a flawed argument and michael and your people have pretty elastic principles one moment is ok the next moment is not i think they're playing politics with it it's not a matter of well or support is it it is for a large number of us i think that probably boris johnson and jacob and obviously with hindsight they would have regretted voting for the withdrawal agreement m p 3 at the end of the day that was never a deal that was ever never got more than 15 percent supported by the public and the . no but what about elin any price to you i want i do want to be heard the minister who just resigned asked for reassurances that the government was working on the deal she didn't get them she directly contradicted the prime minister's promise that he was 100 percent focused on getting a deal absolutely but when you contradicted the updates i've been grateful to see you have not provided me with the assurances i so i think campbell rudd's position on e.u. membership and the withdrawal agreement and the negotiations are well known and she
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doesn't mean she's telling the lie does it but she's telling it from her perspective he's seen the papers well she's seen the cabinet what she knows it's not happening but surely anyone who's ever negotiated anything to him knows that with a walk away position the more you prepare for no deal and i said this consistently over the last 3 and a half years the more the government prepared for no deal and publicly let that be known the less likely we're ever going to need it it is unfortunate that so much time was wasted going down the blind alley of the withdrawal agreement. with all of the years of may well come under that in the moment but with boris johnson trust isn't it and both either doesn't score highly on that and see what this is the man who announced in july that the e.u. was stopping britain from having free ports we could do free ports he said it would be a massive boost to this quarter be we don't because of our membership of the e.u. utter nonsense as well if we actually saw on the withdrawal that we actually would be giving away the powers over state aid and those sort of tax discounts we're
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giving a veto to the european union so by potentially talk about free ports they when that's simply not true well if we'd signed the withdrawal graham we would have been under a veto our state aid rules mr britain but we would have no we would have 3 ports across the e.u. most of them in new member countries what mr johnson also didn't seem to know was that until 2012 when the legislation that established reports expired here in britain there were freeport areas in liverpool southampton very soon there. impressed we care but he didn't know any of that so this is the kind of nonsense that comes from the government is visited on the mothers that there's a democracy there's a decision in iraq i think there's a difference between the e.u. allowing us to have a free port when we are a fully functioning member of the european union and once we were in the withdrawal agreement if we asked for a freeport or they had a veto it was not necessarily in the e.u. interest to allow us to have that advantage called into a house of commons library is the treasury wants to designate free ports you can do
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it by statutory instrument there's no need for a vote it can do it just like that in 5 minutes so it's nothing to do with the as i'll come back to the point if we sign the withdrawal agreement we've given the e.u. a veto on all of our stated rules including the provision of freeport and our relationship with the european union to change this not the same as it was 5 years before the referendum it'll never be the same again whatever the outcome of the brics in negotiations is what you will be different it will be different yes that's what we promised the people that would leave like boris johnson you too in the past it seems strangely baffled about the rules and you you told the irish radio station last year that was possible under the common travel area arrangements between britain and ireland for britons to get passports in the island and the irish to come over here and get past but they can't let me know that that was simply wrong you want it was it was a it why do you put out the stuff well it was an unfortunate situation i should have done the into the into was after midnight and it was 2 or 3 days after my wife
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had just given birth to us i was a little sleep deprived and a little dream of happy at that stage i should have given the interview i mistook that for the situation regarding to people in northern ireland who have the choice of taking either british or irish passport. and i apologize for that mistake your suggestions that under an obscure world trade organizations that you article $24.00 britain can somehow avoid tariffs on its exports in the event of a no deal you seem to be somewhat behind government thinking on this because just 6 days ago. michael gove the minister in charge of bricks at preparations said high e.u. tariffs on british exports remain the biggest challenge in the no deal little but that gets $24.00 article $24.00 it's basically a 2 page agreement between the e.u. and the u.k. which the e.u. have got to agree to what have they got to agree to it will have to agree to it or they haven't got to agree to it but it to make it work they've got to agree that we can have but you haven't got that agreement you say it's
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a 2 peter we haven't you haven't got it we haven't but this is pioneers going on that we're not going to get that agreement while the e.u. think they're either going to get us to coerce us through to stay in the european union and not actually leave or to ask for an extension or that we would find the withdrawal agreement which is better for them they're not going to face the consequences of no deal until. we sorted out our parliament if i were the they're going to charge tyrants they treat you as a 3rd country and the rules and terrorists apply at the absolute leaders and that and i'm the day i'm going we'll meet and if that's the way the e.u. want to play it that's fine it's unfortunate it will be rules in that case and will pocket we can refund all the tariffs to our exporters and pocket 12000000000 pounds a year from the european union in excess tariffs that's fine if that's what the you want to do that's not what i'd like to do i would like to sign get 24 if we don't get to get a deal which i don't think we're going to do that will give us 10 years or 10 years of tariff and quota free trade as we are now where we thrash out that detailed
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comprehensive free trade deal along the lines of of the deal that the e.u. did with canada and with far more important encounter will be 70 the market for 70 percent of all the us here will be far more complicated and difficult to get let's talk a bit about the situation of the prime minister and the because these are well over 20 seats short of a working majority no power no authority and i was 26 double up so it's 40 votes no power no author of the largest number of defeats in parliament for a new prime minister he's parliaments puppet in the house and the i don't call an election can't run down the clock a month. my analysis of the situation is that i've always maintained that we are we have got a rate remained dominated parliament it's always been that in that situation what actually is happening now is that with the election of boris johnson by the conservative party as the new prime minister. someone who is committed to get us out of the european union by the 31st of october we flushed out the remain as who
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are in all the parties and i think i don't think it's any any secret we've now in the position where last when you've lost major talent moderate tell people the father of the house ken clarke you've lost him you lost a number of people who are locked deeply respected and have a lot of knowledge you have a lot of experience opposing and you see. threw them out which is hypocritical in itself isn't it well because because look at all the times that the current front bench i think that's interesting noted again science and math i vote she was pro i voted against the government on many occasions from the backbench and you weren't thrown ball out but i voted against issues and policies i voted for the referendum i was one of the rebels of i voted against intervention led the rebellion against intervention in syria some years ago i voted against the h s 2 project every time it's come to the house speed read yet when i voted voted against the withdrawal agreement on all 3 occasions that i voted against specific policies what the rebels
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last week did was they voted to take away the government's ability to legislate and hand it to the opposition and they were warned prior to that vote that if they did so they would lose their political let's just look at that legislation for a moment that. the lord now says that if boris johnson doesn't get a deal by october the 19th the us the e.u. the e.u. summit e.u. for an extension. and this is what you want to the british parliament passing british laws with no interference from the says actually what you want to parliament well is exerting its sovereign orthorexic mustn't it i wish i wish that you're not happy well i'm not happy when philip hammond one of the leading rebels on this former chancellor of the exchequer exchequer only a few weeks ago he admitted in conversation at number 10 with the prime minister boris johnson that the e.u. zone law is help to draft that legislation and the and the sting in the tail
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doesn't matter who helped draft what i think is i think it says a lot whose interests some of our members are working and the sting in the tail of the legislation it's still legislation and apparently some people in your blood don't so we don't believe he's bound by law or a fuse parliaments instructor i think i think it's against the constitution of our country we have a system where lawrence received for the senate it is but the way it with. is the way it was delivered was not a photo didn't slow it received royal and said we saw on the statue we have a special that i think it should be tested in court where we have a system where whereby the the government of the day brings forward legislation. which the house either approves or votes down it maybe amend it and then it goes on the statute book and at the next general election the government will be held responsible for the legislation it has passed we're now in the perverse situation with the connivance of john bercow the speaker. we're in a situation where government legislation is being passed onto the statute book
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which the government no other proposed indeed opposes doesn't even of the romans throw a lot of laws on the statute book that the governor hasn't proposed many wants many of them wouldn't have contours of son shoots of laws and what are you suggesting that he breaks the law and i'm not suggesting that he breaks the law because that would be what i would say would only what i would see and it would set a very dangerous precedent but i mean the the appetite for democracy is appetite for martyrs it is it is insatiable and your link your great city is appetite for monsters is what we had in duncan smith former tory leader saying the prime minister should be willing to be and would be seen as a brick sit mater so it's not something glorious to break the law and no it is our duty to britain's international reputation it's the prime minister started trashing laws trashing the rule of law i think you know i think would be a retrograde step i'd rather take a legal challenge to the law and i think if you go raise this is really in court
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after that and they tell him to be the law well that they're the silly shit then if the supreme court says he should then he should but there are other ways around it and they've been well publicized he may be right of the letters. he may send a letter saying he wants or he's been told to ask for an extension to article 50 and he may want others i like that would look really good he sends one letters. you can't do i can't do this no you would say he was actually extension of the other one saying i don't know that makes the nuns he will never cross i promise you one thing to him he'll never say i want an extension he may say i have been commanded by parliament to ask for an extension however i think there's no doubt he doesn't want an extension and what will this extension achieve what is another 3 months going to achieve and the sting in the tail of that legislation that was passed helped to be drafted by the european union's loyalty is it avoids a new deal bricks it with a lot of people in this country don't want he who fights and runs away only lives
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to run away another day what's going to happen on 31st december and then the real stinker in the tail of that legislation is in the final paragraph it is says that the prime minister is ordered to ask for an extension to the 31st of january 3 month extension however if the european union will not accept the 31st of january and offer an alternative date for extension the prime minister only has 2048 hours to accept that date what it's really wanted to you was a quick easy quick thing what you're most the what if the european union come back and say what we've had enough of this we've had the extension after extension the short extensions the u.k. can't get its act together 5 years. so then we be in a situation where probably never knowing his after the referendum we haven't implemented the will of the people express that referendum so damaging there are others talk about the use of the russians because you launch you're a lame the remain m.p.'s in parliament for the most britons in you said last week democracy only works when the losers accept the result and they've gone against the
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will of the british people i know it's always useful to blame somebody else when things go wrong but the fact is if it hadn't been for the unbridgeable divisions inside your party then the 3 years that your party has wasted bickering and fighting with itself the will of the people would have been delivered by now to reason may have to deal wasn't perfect but it would have delivered bracks it. in name only when not according to jacob riis mark would have given you your independence i think you are going to follow this time show people wanted it not the 29th you gov poll leave voters wanted to see that deal passed by 49 percent to 30 percent conservative voters wanted it by an even higher margin by 57 percent to 24 percent but you knew better than your own interest didn't live and i say have i was surprised i would suggest that the overwhelming majority of those people never actually read the withdrawal agreement for never even read the the legal briefings
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on the withdrawal agreement and they were downing trees and i was tasked to go and they wanted a deal it doesn't matter with that and they would have and they would let it and when when they saw the deal they got it wouldn't have taken very long at all were for a huge amount of dissatisfaction not then with the european union who force the deal on trees and i but on us for voting for it and i promise to take whatever happens i'm not signing that withdrawal agreement i will not betray my country or my electorate as they have you told the police and i will not sign it if your party missed out in my name if your party had really been interested in delivering the results of the referendum to resume a would have recognized the differences amongst them peace in parliament and sort straight away to work out a deal that could pass through parliament she had a majority she briefly had some more authority she could have started cross party talks immediately but she waited 2 and a half years before doing that. it's your failure you blame the remaining big it's
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the failure of your iraqi and your conservative government are i think tori's of maine and forcing will carry a lot of the blame for this i never voted for her as leader and i was actually the 1st m.p. to say that she should go which was on the saturday after she launched the checkers proposals when it was clear that that was not delivering on our manifesto that we could single market a customs union jurisdiction ripping quarters take back control of our money our borders and our laws and i'm disappointed that we had an opportunity in december of last year the vote of confidence where 200 of my colleagues did have confidence in her so she stayed on i don't know what they thought were things going to get better with the clock has been run down as been run down and left boris johnson with very very few options the clock has run the city of ministers who are in positions of war 30 david davis liam fox michael gove boris johnson rex it supporting ministers in key jobs and they failed to get it done many of the people
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who are now sitting on the what they felt was david davis did fail to do is realize that the reason why i was running power level negotiations through his own office using his own civil servants and then presented him 2 days before checkers with a fait accompli that you're working on a super can of the old but this is what we're going to do with davis didn't have the 1st thing about the european union this is what he said within minutes of a vote for bret's it the c.e.o.'s of mercedes b.m.w. v.w. analogy would be knocking on merkel's door demanding there be no barriers to the fish market didn't happen. i think they said it was going to be the easiest deal in is to didn't have the issue at all the cards were going to be in britain's hands didn't pass this was nonsense wasn't it project fantasy what we've what we've got is we do still have some semblance of democracy in this country whereby people are dissatisfied what the government's doing come and lobby me our lobby the prime minister they lobby the prime minister directly due to the democratic deficit in the european union we're trading with germany france and all the other e.u.
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countries but they've given the powers of these negotiations to an another body called the european union and and it's. what it wants to get out of these negotiations is going to be different to what our customers in those countries want to get on there is a huge democratic deficit with the people making the big decisions in the european union and not elected or not not politically account a lot of the will or elected of the we just had the largest the largest democratic vote is for the european parliament yes a large 400000000 people a lot of the largest party elected that parliament is the bracks it party. you're unhappy with the democracy for that democracy is democracy but i was i was very i was i would have been very unhappy had we pulled the prime minister then treason by paul the european elections because we weren't going to do very well in them that would have been wrong and i made that very clear mr pidgen when you look around this country you can't fail to see people getting angrier more divided more bitter
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demonstrations are getting angry you don't like it that way the country divided full of hatred no vector of no not at all and that's what you have now distance to a deal has produced isn't know it's the resistance to leaving as i said the democracy only works you had a deal you could have left you would have been out but it was a very very bad deal and it would if it was a deal i don't think we ever would have got out of the backstop i think that was the end state for the got in mind for our country and they would have had a fatalist in the article 50 process we can actually leave or we're in a time of along we extend it and however unpopular it is with our electorate once which signed that would draw agreement the e.u. would have a veto when we could actually get out of that treaty. and i do think the country can come back together but one thing for sure how is it going to come back to go when we lose so deep when we actually divide it when we actually leave you have a situation where anyone who contradicts the government line is belittled and
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insulted you take the dr david nicol who contributed to the government's contingency plan for no deal access he dared to share his concerns about the government's inability to stop our medicines and he was told to be ashamed of himself and he was fear mongering he was obviously good enough to contribute to the government and work your money this what a wonderful precedent for a free society isn't it he didn't tell you what you wanted to hear so he was fear mongering well i'll tell you what is going on the liberal elite in this country have never lost a serious political battle. in history he was the last royal a lot save lost this one and they'll use. that at their disposal to achieve their aims he's not leave the or he was talking about people who might actually lose their life because they haven't got them and since they need are you prepared to risk lives in this grand project of yours and that is pure project fear that continues to project for you what the we are these are experts who are pointing out
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that there is a huge risk here my question to tell you x. is a has been and a mother not only upon the prime my question to you is are you prepared to risk lives in this project are you there is there is always a simple question yes or no well. are the european union willing to risk was can you the question will who put that question to the i'm asking you or the fact i do 5 pakistan risk lives well give me a not swear that we are the 2nd biggest pharmaceutical. industry in our country in the world only only bigger by america and you get 36000000 packs a madson from the us everyone about so so if it's so it's a big deal about what we sell it so the question we sell is answer the question we are you prepared to respond if not this problem i will do nothing i will do nothing that risk lives we will not interfere with the massive amount of drugs that manufacture in this country that are used by people on the continent we're not threatening their lives it would appear that the e.u.
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are threatening the lives of people in my country and i think the you have misjudged the british kyra is that they're talking about one widely known frictionless trade as a temp that will result the day of the measures that we're in the european union no do it was up we've got complete regulator e equivalence with your people in the european union one minute past 11 when we leave one minute past 11 when we leave those goods were manufactured while we were in the european what's the difference between those goods the minute before we left and the minute after the birth the day off with what extra checks would you like on the roads you're a what and what you understood her country and you know there was a tyrant's of it we've already been through that went directly to the us military that is actually go exactly for regulator equivalents it will probably be a year or 18 months this is a commonsense arrangement it's a legal order to show you what what is written is the late need on the goods a legal order. it's a legal well in the w.c. you think i didn't make it up on the hope of this never saw it was
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