troops out of luck. it's hard to overcome boundaries. and connect the world. it's time for the t w d w d is coming up ahead. for minds. you like it that way the country divided from a think she knows it to no not at all all a ship of the european is change it's a reason they had to deal wasn't perfect but it would have to live and perhaps what will the sex tension a change what is another 3 months going to change here in london it's still all about bricks and boris johnson has shut down a fractious and angry parliament but not before m.p.'s manage to do him serious damage denying him a date for the next general election and forcing him by law to seek another bracks extension from the e.u. if you can't get a deal over the 19 my guest to this week is andrew bridge

a conservative m.p. and leading bracks it's a supporter who boris johnson now a baby of the law but parliament was put in front of him. andrew bridge and welcomes conflict so. one of the biggest obstacles preventing a deal between britain and the e.u. is the irish backstop the so-called insurance policy to keep open border between northern ireland and the irish republic the government has promised new proposals where are there well i think there are already out there alternative arrangements have been discussed for over 12 months a trust a trade a scheme for regular trade it's a very relatively small amount of trade that goes across the board about turn off 1000000000 pounds a year exemption exemptions for small traders. and checks away from the border but

always 21st the prime minister said in berlin standing beside angola merkel you rightly say the onus is on us to produce those solutions he hasn't produced any since then why not well i think to an extent the irish born. issue is or is a conflated issue in my view before the irish border became a stick with which to beat the the u.k. government during these negotiations i want to go there were several years ago just what there was where the proposals are all the proposals are and where the proposals are all proposals they were out there a few months after the referendum was a joint statement by the head of h.r. see northern ireland and customs actually south of the border which said the current infrastructure on the border was quite sufficient to deal and there weren't any amoco said it isn't look the minister is playing politics with this issue isn't it he calls the backstop county democratic let's not forget that he actually voted

for that backstop in the withdrawal agreement in may just 4 months ago the 3rd time it was put out to vote so did can i didn't i didn't so dominate rob so the the leader of the house jacob the small bleeding light of your european research group who said if we take this deal we are legally out of the e.u. it restores independence that's what you want it for heaven's sake restoring independence for backstop wasn't so terrible 4 months ago why is it terrible now i think they were looking at the lesser of the bills i think they could see that perhaps it was slipping away potentially and it was a reason most deal or no break said i didn't hold to that opinion the fact was that treason may put a job on the line is that if you if you back my withdrawal dream and get it through i will stand down and let someone else take over the negotiation about the future relationship i thought it was a flawed argument michael your people have been elastic principles one moment is ok the next moment is not i think they're playing politics with it it's not

a matter of well support is it it is for a large number of us i think that probably boris johnson and jacob riis mark and obviously with hindsight they would have regretted voting for the withdrawal agreement and the 3 at the end of the day that was never a deal that was ever. never got more than 15 percent support by the public and the fact is no but what about elin any price to you i want i do want to be a member of the minister who just resigned asked for reassurances that the government was working on the deal she didn't get them she directly contradicted the prime minister's promise that he was 100 percent focused on getting a deal absolutely but when contradicted that which isn't the updates i've been grateful to see you have not provided me with the assurances i so i think campbell rudd's position on e.u. membership and the withdrawal agreement and the negotiations are well known and she and it doesn't mean she's telling the lie does it but she's telling it from her perspective he's seen the papers well she's seen the cabinet she knows it's not

happening but surely anyone who's ever negotiated anything tim knows that with a walk away position the more you prepare for no deal and i said this consistently over the last 3 and a half years the more the government prepared for no deal and publicly let that be known the less likely we're ever going to need it it is unfortunate that so much time was wasted going down the blind alley of the withdrawal agreement. with all of the resume would come under that in the moment but with boris johnson trust isn't it and by either doesn't score highly on that and see what this is the man who announced in july that the e.u. was stopping britain from having free ports we could do free ports he said it would be a massive boost to this court of me we don't because of our membership of the utter nonsense as well if we actually saw on the withdrawal that we were she would be giving away the powers over state aid and those sort of tax discounts we're giving a veto to the european union for my potentially talk about freeport when that's simply not true well if we'd signed the withdrawal graham we would have been under

a veto our state aid rules mr pritchett but we would have no we would have 3 ports across the e.u. most of them in new member countries what mr jones and also didn't seem to know was that until 2012 when the legislation that established reports expired here in britain. there were freeport areas in liverpool southampton tilbury sure less impressed with their book but he didn't know any of it so this is the kind of nonsense that comes from the government is visited on the other there's a little bit there's an existing is up i think there's a difference between the e.u. allowing us to have a free port when we are a fully functioning member of the european union and once we were in the withdrawal agreement if we asked for a free port and they had a veto it was not necessarily in the e.u. interest to allow us to have that advantage called into a house of commons library is the treasury wants to designate free ports you can do it by statutory instrument there's no need for a vote it can do it just like that in 5 minutes there's nothing to do with the us i'll come back to the point if we sign the withdrawal agreement we've given the

e.u. a veto on all of our state aid rules including the provision of free ports and our relationship with the european union change is not the same as it was 5 years before the referendum it'll never be the same again whatever the outcome of the brics it negotiations is what you believe different it will be different yes that's what we promised the people that would leave like boris johnson you too in the past it seems strangely baffled about the rules and you you told the irish radio station last year that was possible under the common travel area arrangements between britain and ireland for britons to get passports in ireland and the irish to come over here and get passed but they can't let me know that that was simply wrong you want it was it was a it why do you put out the stuff well it was an unfortunate situation i should have done the into the into was after midnight and it was 2 or 3 days after my wife had just given birth to us i was a little sleep deprived and a little dream of happy at that stage i should have given the interview i mistook that for the situation regarding to people in northern ireland who have the choice

of taking either british or irish passport. and i apologize for that mistake your suggestions that under an obscure world trade organizations that you article 24 britain can somehow avoid tariffs on its exports in the event of a no deal you seem to. somewhat buying government thinking on this because just 6 days ago michael gove the minister in charge of bricks at preparation said high e.u. tariffs on british exports remain the biggest challenge in the no deal indeed a souvenir but that gets 24 article 24 it's basically a 2 page agreement between the e.u. and the u.k. we see you have got to agree to what if they got to agree to it will have to agree to the who are they haven't got to agree to it but it to make it work they've got to agree that we can't have but you haven't got that agreement you say it's a 2 piece no we haven't you haven't got it we haven't been so this is piling more going on that we're not going to get that agreement while the e.u. think they're either going to get us to coerce us through to stay in the european

union and not actually leave or to ask for an extension or that we would find the withdrawal agreement which is better for them they're not going to face the consequences of no deal until. we've sorted out our parliament if i were the they're going to charge tyrus they treat you as a 3rd country and the rules and terrorists apply at the absolutely does and that and i'm a day i'm going we'll and if that's the way the e.u. want to play it that's fine it's unfortunate it will be rules in that case and we'll pocket we can refund all the tariffs to our exporters and pocket 12000000000 pounds a year from the european union in excess tariffs that's fine if that's what the you want to do that's not what i'd like to do i would like to sign that $24.00 if we don't get to get a deal which i don't think we're going to that will give us 10 years up to 10 years of tariff and quota free trade as we are now where we thrash out that detailed comprehensive free trade deal along the lines of of the deal that the e.u. did with canada and with far more important encounter will be 70 the market for 70

percent of all us here will be far more complicated and difficult to get let's talk a bit about the situation of the prime minister and the because these well over 20 seats short of a working majority no power no authority and i was 26 double up so it's 40 votes no power no or 30 largest number of defeats in parliament for a new prime minister he's parliaments puppet now isn't he i don't call an election can't run down the clock a month. my analysis of the situation is that i've always maintained that we are we have got a rate remained dominated parliament it's always been that in that situation what actually is happening now is that with the election of boris johnson by the conservative party as the new prime minister. someone who is committed to get us out of the european union by the 31st of october we flushed out the remain as who are in all the parties that i think i don't think it's any any secret we've now in the position where last well you've lost major talent margaret talev people the

father of the house can clarke you've lost in you lost the number of people who are deeply respected and have a lot of knowledge yet a lot of experience opposing and you see. them out which is hypocritical in itself isn't it well because because look at all the times that the current front bench i think that's interesting about it again science and math i vote she was present when i voted against the government on many occasions from the backbench and you weren't thrown ball out but i voted against issues and policies i voted for the referendum i was one of the rebels of i voted against intervention led the rebellion against intervention in syria some years ago i voted against the h s 2 project every time it's come to the house speed rail yet when i voted against the withdraw agreement all 3 occasions that i voted against specific policies what the rebels last week did was they voted to take away the government's ability to legislate and hand it to the opposition and they were warned prior to that vote

that if they did so they would lose their political lives let's just look at that legislation for a moment that. the lord now says that if boris johnson doesn't get a deal by october the 19th the us the e.u. the e.u. summit e.u. for an extension. but isn't this what you want to the british parliament passing british laws with no interference from the says actually what you want it part what is exerting its sovereign orthorexic mustn't it i wish i wish that you're not happy well i'm not happy when philip hammond one of the leading rebels on this former chancellor of the exchequer exchequer only a few weeks ago he admitted in conversation at number 10 with the prime minister boris johnson that the e.u. zone lawyers helped to draft that legislation and the and the sting in the tail doesn't matter who helped draft it what i think is i think it says a lot of whose interests some of our members are working and the sting of the tail of the senate race is still legislation and apparently some people in your blood

don't so you don't believe he's bound by law to refuse parliament's instruction i think i think it's against the constitution of our country we have a system where lawrence received or it was sent it is but the way it was. what the way it was delivered was not a photo didn't slow it received a cent we saw on the statue we have a special that i think it should be tested in court where we have a system where whereby the the government of the day brings forward legislation. which the house either approves or votes down it maybe amend it and then it goes on the statute book and at the next general action the government will be held responsible for the legislation it has passed we're now in the perverse situation with the connivance of john bercow the speaker. we're in a situation where government legislation is being passed onto the statute book which the government neither proposed and indeed opposes doesn't mean that the road is really a lot of laws on the statute book that the government hasn't proposed many months many of them wouldn't have guns or the sun shoots of laws i mean what are you

suggesting that he breaks the law and i'm not suggesting that he breaks that the law because that would be what i would say but i don't know what i would see and it would set a very dangerous precedent but i mean the the the appetite for democracy is appetite for martyrs it is it is insatiable and you only in your great city is appetite for monsters as well we had in duncan smith former tory leader saying the prime minister should be willing to be and would be seen as a brick sit mater so it's not something glorious to break the law and you know it is our duty to britain's international reputation if the prime minister started trashing laws in trashing the rule of law i think you are then i think would be a retrograde step i'd rather take a legal challenge to the law and i think if you go raise this is really in court after that and the talent to be the lot or the silly shit then if the supreme court says he should then he should but there are other ways around it and they've been

well publicized he may be right of the letters. he may send a letter saying he wants or he's been told to ask for an extension to article 50 and he may want to that i like that would look really good he sends one letters. you can't do i can't do this no you would say he would station extension and the other one saying i don't hear what makes a non-slip he will never cross i promise you one thing tim he'll never say i want an extension he may say i have been commanded by parliament to ask for an extension however i think there's no doubt he doesn't want an extension and what will this extension achieve what is another 3 months going to achieve and the sting in the tail of that legislation that was passed helped to be drafted by the european union's loyalty is it avoids a no deal bricks it not of people in this country don't want he who fights and runs away only lives to run away another day what's going to happen on 31st december and then the real stinker in the tail of that legislation is in the final paragraph it is says that the prime minister is ordered to ask for an extension to the 31st of

january 3 month extension however if the european union will not accept the 31st of january and offer an alternative date for extension the prime minister only has 2048 hours to accept that date what if well what are you what's a quick easy quick thing what you can most what if the european union come back and say well we've had enough of this we've had extension after extension the short extensions the u.k. can't get its act together 5 years so then we'd be in a situation where probably nearly 9 years after the referendum we haven't implemented the will of the people express that referendum well yes so damaging there are others talk about the use of the russians because you launch you're a lame the remain m.p.'s in parliament for the most britons in you said last week democracy only works when the losers accept the result and they've gone against the will of the british people i know it's always useful to blame somebody else when things go wrong but the fact is if it hadn't been for the unbridgeable divisions

inside your party then the 3 years that your party has wasted bickering and fighting with itself the will of the people would have been delivered by now to resume a had to deal wasn't perfect but it would have delivered bracks it. in name only were not according to jacob riis mark would have given you your independence of earthing i think in the polls at this time show people wanted it more than 20 ninth's you gov poll leave voters wanted to see that deal passed by 49 percent to 30 percent conservative voters wanted it by an even higher margin by 57 percent to 24 percent but you knew better than your own interest paid on the lines would i say have no i was surprised i would suggest that the overwhelming majority of those people never actually read the withdrawal agreement full never even read the the legal briefings on the withdrawal agreement and they were damning treason i was tasked to go and they wanted a deal it doesn't matter with that and they would have and they were going to and

when when they saw the deal they got it wouldn't have taken very long at all were for a huge amount of dissatisfaction not then with the european union who forced the deal on trees and i but on us for voting for it and i promise you to whatever happens i am not signing that withdrawal agreement i will not betray my country or my electorate because they have just told the police and i will not sign it if your party miss not in my name if your party had really been interested in delivering the results of the referendum to resume a would have recognized the differences amongst m.p.'s in parliament and sort straight away to work out a deal that could pass through parliament she had a majority she briefly had some more authority she could have started cross party talks immediately but she waited 2 and a half years before doing that. it's your failure you blame the remain and be it's the failure of your iraqi and your conservative government are i think tori's of maine and forcing will carry a lot of the blame for this i never voted for her as leader and i was actually the

1st m.p. to say that she should go which was on the saturday after she launched the checkers proposals when it was clear that that was not delivering on our manifesto that we were single market a customs union jurisdiction ripping cultures take back control of our money our borders and our laws and i'm disappointed that we have an opportunity in december of last year the vote of confidence where 200 of my colleagues did have confidence in her so she stayed on i don't know what they thought were things going to get better we the clock has been run down as been run down and left boris johnson with very very few options the clock has run the city of ministers who are in positions of war 30 david davis liam fox michael gove boris johnson brett sit supporting ministers in key jobs and they failed to get it done many of the people who are now sitting on you what they felt was david davis did fail to do is realize that the reason why i was running parallel negotiations through his own office using his own civil servants and then presented him 2 days before checkers with

a fait accompli that you're working on a super candidate the old but this is what we're going to go with davis didn't have the 1st thing about the european union this is what he said within minutes of a vote for bret's it the c.e.o.'s of mercedes b.m.w. v.w. analogy would be knocking on merkel's door demanding there be no barriers to the british market didn't happen. i think they said it was going to be the easiest deal in history didn't have what it should all the cards were going to be in britain's hands didn't last this was nonsense was that project fantasy no what we've what we've got is we do still have some semblance of democracy in this country whereby people who are dissatisfied what the government's doing kumon lobby me are lobby the prime minister they lobby the prime minister directly due to the democratic deficit in the european union we're trading with germany france and all the other e.u. countries but they've given the powers of these negotiations to an another body called the european union and and it's. what it wants to get out of these negotiations is

going to be different to what our customers in those countries want to get on there is a huge democratic deficit with the people making the big decisions in the european union and not elected or not not politically account a lot of them are elected of them and we just had the largest the largest democratic vote is for the european parliament yes a large 400000000 people a lot of the largest party elected that parliament is the bracks it party. you're unhappy with the democracy for that's democracy as democracy but i was i was very i was i would have been very unhappy had we pulled the prime minister then treason by paul the european elections because we weren't going to do very well in them that would have been wrong and i made that very clear mr pidgen when you look around this country you can't fail to see people getting angrier more divided more bitter demonstrations are getting angry you know like it that way the country divided full of hatred noveck to no not at all and that's what you i mean as just students to

a deal has produced isn't know it's the resistance to leaving as i said the democracy only works you had a deal you could have left you would have been out by it was a very very bad deal and it would have it was a deal i don't think we ever would have got out of the backstop i think that was the end state for the got in mind for our country and they would have had a fatalist in the article 50 process we can actually leave or we're in a time of along we extend it and however unpopular it is with our electorate once which signed that would draw agreement the e.u. would have a veto when we could actually get out of that treaty. and i do think the country can come back together but one thing for sure how is it going to come back to get when we lose so deep when we actually divide it when we actually leave you have a situation where anyone who contradicts the government line is belittled and insulted you take the dr david nicol who contributed to the government's contingency plan for no deal access he dared to share his concerns about the

government's inability to stop our medicines and he was told to be ashamed of himself and he was fear mongering he was obviously good enough to contribute to the government. work you'll notice what a wonderful precedent for a free society isn't it but he didn't tell you what you wanted to hear so he was fear mongering well i'll tell you what is going on the liberal elite in this country have never lost a serious political battle. in history he was the last royal a lot save lost this one and they'll use yaverland that at their disposal to achieve their aims is not leave the or keep us talking about people who might actually lose their life because they haven't got them and since they need are you prepared to risk lives in this grand project of yours. that is pure project fear that continues to project for you what temp the these are experts who are pointing out that there is a huge risk here my question is how you ex is a has been and a much larger group and the primary question to you is are you prepared to risk

lives in this project are you there is there is always a simple question yes or no well. are the european union willing to risk loans can you the question we will put that question to the i'm asking you or the family you 5 characters to risk lives well give me a not swear that we are the 2nd biggest pharmaceutical. industry in our country in the world only only bigger by america and you get 36000000 paxil madson from the everyone about so so if it's so it's a big deal that people we sell it to the questions we sell use answer the question we are you prepared to respond if not this program i will do nothing i will do nothing that risk lives we will not interfere with the massive amount of drugs that manufacture in this country that are used by people on the continent we're not threatening their lives it would appear that the e.u. are threatening the lives of people in my country and i think the you have misjudged the british care is their top they're talking about one why not on frictionless train attempt that will result the danger of the measures that are in

the european union no do it without we've got complete regulator e equivalence with your people in the european union one minute past 11 when we leave one minute past 11 when we leave those goods were manufactured over in the european what's the difference between those goods the minute before we left and the minute after the birth the day off with one extra checks would you like your or whatever what you referred country and you know that there was a tyrant's of it we've already been through that went directly to this reality that is actually go exactly for regulator equivalents it will probably be a year or 18 months is a commonsense arrangement it's a legal order to show you what is written is the late need on the goods a legal order. it's a legal well in the w.c. you think i didn't make it up on the hope of this never saw it was a bad the being 2 countries trading as 3rd parties with fold regulator a quote this is unique in his take on the w t o rolls is usually really i mean it's

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