tv Euromaxx Deutsche Welle September 14, 2019 3:30pm-4:01pm CEST
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she was probably somewhere in the vicinity of the euphrates river in eastern syria . while my continued to keep his bakery running leonora was trying to find a people smuggler to get her to turkey and out of the war. there's the smuggler who got 10 women out of her yesterday without any problems. ok ok use that chance get out of there as quickly as you can. and then the day actually arrived when they said they were setting off was. right out it's me leo i'm at the waiting point and praying to allah that was so you try other soon ok the spaniards and a few minutes time i'll be offline a. month i. like i'm pretty
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anxious but i guess it has to work out. how much dad stay strong don't cry. don't come and then there were no more messages maybe they really had set off. and then our smuggler of choice contacted me. and he started this horrible. i was really nasty she says game is the wrong morning the things he said as there are loads of checkpoints we're having to bribe so many people so we need more money you can write back a 100 times i haven't got any more it happens beyond. the arms i build up this unbelievable pressure so what can you do. you walk around
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in circles going out of your mind. just freezing and don't. think about it and drinking helps you know. that without a mirror complete wreck because you know the next message they send could be. well i think good as all of these going to say. i'm entitled to them eventually they had me so desperate that i said fine i'm actually going to have to transfer the $8000.00 he won so that they at least stay alive. but they weren't even able to tell me where to wire it to as often as i do not own vision you realize these guys really have to be nuts and you're just helpless. and if it was.
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it was so tough for those few days were worse than the 4 years before that. it's different. well to describe the thing in your mind you're up on the ladder and the newest was above you but this is just too much it's not possible to. reach a point where you just can't take it anymore i can't do this to anyone anymore. it's so bad that you want to give up through and give yourself up because you want an end to this misery and if i'm no longer alive then ok maybe leo will also die but then my family will have peace. and then that's the point you reach so i
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actually block out the number i just couldn't go on and fix the book and fix the problem. what i told myself i wouldn't cry today is i was broke. it was one of my darkest hours of the northeastern. he severed contact knowingly or nora might die. the mental strain from mike and his family back home in pike and it's simply too big. for us going to next day or the day after i don't remember exactly leo contacted me it didn't work out we didn't even leave both through this how do you not just keel over. in autumn 2018 leonora was still on the run with her husband me hot
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with the war still raging around them she had a 2nd child maria also born prematurely. air raids artillery and ground offensives that seem islamic state reduced to islamic village hello. hi dad it's neil you were in the last religious left we're surrounded we're on the only street that islamic state still controls itself our. loss i don't know you so are living on top of each other starving children are freezing to death. there are no more going to get out there's no future for us here we don't have one single dollar. and seeing us we have absolutely nothing and often have nothing to eat we've decided to give ourselves up. for the want to go through with the b. b. b. . with the friends we're going to i knew it meant the radio syria was back on the
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air. after 4 years you build up your own protective armor after for your life with all the news and truthful though through. it was a voice message from martin limca. didn't sound too happy. least talk to the government i'm willing to do anything and i was never a soldier i never killed anyone i'm willing to pass on any information i have. no there are trials in germany and i'm willing to help the government is a serious issue and it's important for us that the women and children arrive home in good health. i don't want to stay in a jail here in syria i have no problem going to jail in germany and serving my sentence there. i'm really afraid so. i don't want to get beaten up the whole time i have a heart condition and picked up an ammonia here. we're all really sex and. so
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the same man who tried to ruin your life 4 years ago is suddenly saying poor me. and please don't tell anyone about this message if someone here finds out that we want to get out we might end up getting killed in the recent version of the movie to go. take along plenty to drink just get out of there and take care yourself of. any 21000 more than 40000 people in the last enclave i ask surrendered. in germany all mike could do was wait for leonora to make it out on january 31st 2019 that wait was finally over. hi dad it's me just want to say that i've left i asked we're all really happy that we made it. was picked up by the americans but all fine they've been really really good to us. even though i got up as usual at 130 quarter to 2
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the same as usual check my phone and saw it mr whole lot of calls and what's up messages the friends had recognized the young woman in this video footage as leonora agency reporters had met her in the desert. and because i wanted my own my own life a long time ago and now i know that. often they thought i was on my way to work. all week and then it finally went click. the can you go back over the last 4 years if you are going credible amount of images going through your mind i thought if you look if you need a lot of things you suppressed negative stuff to your wife at least when you cry a little bit as well of course and it's only then that you realize how much pressure you've been under because it became your daily life so you didn't really
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even register at all the 2 were suddenly the 5 you feel yourself getting lighter and lighter and free and i got out of my car and i thought yes right off it's over. they can't go anymore. leonora was detained in this camp a tent city outside the hall in northern syria together with $70000.00 others in a fierce debate erupted in germany over whether the country should take back those who had gone to join i.a.s. didn't they pose a threat. we returned to syria in march 21000 it had been 4 years since leonora had run away from home i wanted to finally meta. from her online chats including the ones she last posted you sometimes get the impression that despite how long it's been and how much older she's become she still has this 90
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about her and you wonder how that's possible she decided. to feel it could be right if we said no and she's not 19 and she's been through such a loss she's been in a war been bombed out of our home seen all this awful violence and is still so naive i'm really interested to see how she is in person let me forgive my denying people while i was about to meet leonora mike in germany was looking forward to his daughter finally returning home although he did have doubts as at least i'm not really sure who i'll be welcoming our. years of bias and propaganda have to have a look at this and for that she was really young when she left she was a deuce sure but she was happy to be seduced on the phone that's also part of the truth of order to. leonora a willing accomplice. had she realized what she had done to her family and to
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people in syria and ultimately to herself too i wanted to know everything including what it was that made islamic state so we're peeling to. islam modern islam was sort of in a lot of people in germany who are converting to islam and britain to. face and i ended up in this facebook group i was young i guess and i wanted a bit of revolution i wasn't take stream stuff. maybe i was a coward because i ran away from home and thought this is the way to solve all my problems in one go i love my father make she told us she had distanced herself from i as a long time ago but how did she feel about the things she had done had she really thought about the past 4 years had she confronted her deeds. everything changed their marriage wasn't the same life in general in syria was not
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for me i was no longer happy with my life. there were also a lot of problems within the family there and i just wanted to go home because i want that failed things got worse because i understood that i now had to live there whether i wanted to or not. known that others does and because i try to escape once my own husband knew it too. i know. this is her husband me her w.r.c. airborne martin limca. german prosecutors are preparing a case against him and issued an arrest warrant. i know when we met it seems he was hoping for a pretty. cottage from germany. it's tough you're under a huge mental strain i mean a one man so i don't see or hear anything. he told us he only worked in the
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technical department of bias intelligence but he never fought never murdered or tortured anyone nor ordered anyone to he insisted he was merely a peripheral figure despite having had a slave why did you buy a slave how. i was exonerated probably shouldn't be talking without my lawyer. but i haven't done anything bad. she was in very poor health and we helped her but i never talked to her. about it why did you buy a human being with 2 children. thing is. she was doing really badly. and in islam you're rewarded for treating a slave well because later of rights. and going to understand he said it's come to question. is this woman was really ill but as i said we helped her where we could. and i had no other intentions i already had a big family of course if we wanted to make money by her cheap to fatten her up so
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. look if you want to provoke me no that's not true no no i don't need that money just. bought her an order to trade her. we had money problems all the time oh so martin bought her to make money. in the egg only to make some money he said that in her nurse her have her take a shower and give her kids food make sure that she puts on weight so she's worth something. like that and right yeah. nora's account incriminated her husband but what about her own row german prosecutors are looking into pressing charges against leonora who's now 19 like her husband she suspected of having spied for islamic state intelligence and having supported a terrorist organization. has ever worked for their secret police
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passed on information to your husband. i heard that it's just ridiculous. whether she committed a crime will be decided in the german courts in the eyes of her father she needs to face up to her moral responsibility for having joined a terrorist group. of 30 was that she's not only some little girl who was groomed. is just as much a perpetrator you just have to face the reality is the. leonora seemed carefree as she talked is she naive or traumatized it was hard to tell she doesn't seem to have reflected on how her family were fairing kurdish intelligence officers then told us our time was up. to thank you for coming thanks. leonora gave interviews to other reporters as well and recited passages from the koran. it seems she gave little thought to what impression this would make on people back
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home in her village. most people say she's fully bailed out muslims on this although it's not a song this. a has learned nothing b. doesn't belong here and see she's dangerous. perhaps it would be more prudent for leonora to stay in a neighboring village away from the media frenzy expected to descend on pipes. and there indeed appears to be a solution mike and cloudier done shit from the palin counseling center met costa marcos bloomer who is a friend of mike. who thinks all those. people that take a little look around the place once they're gone ah well that's great the pastor knows how people in the area fink and he has experience dealing with individuals whose lives have gone through dramatic changes. the 1st thing we want is for them
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to have contact with their families and been the one to find the apollo. and to give leonora a place where she'll feel at home and safe with her children while still being independent. the german government still has to decide if and when the nora may come home. will see. only the off valve and if she does have to go to jail then for a reason. she's definitely going for a beer and mission it's a with me like an oath of allegiance. in. life lawyer. culture. hair. and. superman.
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