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for him and the joint you come up in the morning blame and. the sins of use of your highness palms. the problems come. starts oct 11th on t.w. you know. match day 4 is done and dusted welcome to open this thing up we have all the highlights from sunday struction plus the match day's biggest talking points is a look at what's coming up. i find i would work on so often i'm at a local affair while shall cause such assaults. on office at a table topping clashes we'll talk title race like it's a legit to do. do it this season.

joining me to dissect the action ought to be understood boffins mccambridge chairman of the unofficial newspapers in fact club all describe myself as more of a friend than a fan thank you yes. and talk some sense blackpool's finest mark met us a lot of fun doesn't know much sense. well before we get into the nitty gritty let's start with the highlights of match against often i'm in a tricky transition for the club that last coach you know young man over the summer and now they hosted a 5 book side on fire with 2 wins and a draw so far up victory would see them move into the top 4 and even jump up to 2nd in the table if they won by a 5 goal margin. frederick's christiane's tice made for changes to his starting line up for the clash with often high manjit soon paid off chris john

going to made it one nil in the 11th minute. the defender drilling it into the corner of the net sebastian rudi tried to respond for hoffenheim but keeper alexander displayed some sharp reflexes meanwhile his team stayed on the attack and played with more urgency yannick doubling fribourg lead late in the 1st half. and neil's pietersen added another in the 59th minute his 2nd goal of the season rounding out the 3 nil scoreline. it was mentality mentality conviction and work work work. it was a nice performance i'm very happy. and his team celebrated fribourg best ever start to a campaign hoffenheim meanwhile have only managed to win one game this season. didn't score enough to leap frogged open but they are 3rd in the table. sorceries this

flaw is sorcery knights but sorcery is always possible when you have a wizard up front of course i want to talk a little bit about neal's piece and the man scored 46 but is a good golfer i believe today in a little over 100 appearances which is a pretty good stat i mean not being impressive for one of the champions league clubs the 3rd in the title at the moment i'm not saying they going to be doing less there or anything like that but i have got a couple of comfortable games coming up before what i think we can all agree will be an early season top of the table showdown with gotten in a few weeks but now a new seriousness cracking start to be really cool if they continue and of course they've added a little bit of depth around that main man mills pearson that you're so fond of mark last season fly book finished 13th and hoffenheim solid able to bring us back down to earth is no malice he going to set in for those 2 seems well yes and no i mean obviously freiburg know they're not going to finish in the top 4 but you know they've got a good squad a good manager they've got very atmospheric ground because they will suffer when

they move stadiums by the way but their target is going to be europa league and they're everyone's kind of 2nd favorite load on the hoffenheim meanwhile i think they could be in a bit of bother you know they've lost now because none of lost some of their best players they haven't replaced them could be a very difficult season yes it could and 5 org let's wish them all the best as you say a lot of people 2nd favorite same title so coming up in a little bit but 1st to 2 sides with the blues promoted part of born have just one point to their name so far they hosted shouter who lost a match they managed their 1st win of the season with an emphatic 3 nil over has a platform to build on or would it be just another manic sunday. shaka boss david wagner has overseen one win one draw and one defeat so far this season consistently inconsistent has long been a shock a trait well promoted part of own stunts of the company has been well underwhelming but it was housed out of bone who struck 1st just 8 minutes in tell you he

celebrated his 24th birthday with the super. shall can defend his look like statues is the brazilian pounced. on a scored in the 1st 15 minutes of all the game so far but again that's off the boil chuck it is that the equalized sunny sun a rising highest on 33 minutes. lots the part of bone stefan bound got to ponder at half time. but it was more of the same after the break and so it sent out soon put shelter ahead. a slice of luck push out the lexan he did that's a side show can score 3 more with i mean how to get into the 51 win means 2 victories on the bounce the right kind of consistency. 5 or promising signs as mark points out in the report but let's talk about something that shelter probably won't be involved in the title race to set us up

here lights a coach your novice man and a rather annoyed by and defend speaking after saturday's one old draw and that game tells us nothing absolutely nothing is any much they for it means nothing and half time which a system will get more due or get more attacking moments will get kind of more ball position to create chances about opposition not only about taking moment said was a good mix. well mark now grossman has said from the off he wants to inject more possession based football into the light 6 set up is that the key to take them to the next level yes but not if you play such a high line the robot leavened else he's goes up to 3 minutes he's got to be careful you know if it ain't broke don't fix it and ralph remnick gave him a side that would very well but yes you can't be a top top side if you rely on counter attacks you have to dominate and so i think he is on the right track yet they seems really keen to point that out it's pretty much common sense underlining what he's there to do ed nicklaus do on the other

hand the flame thrower really annoyed at the media suggestion that a draw would have any kind of negative impact on by and title pursuit seems like the reporter touched a nerve there was a little bit wrong with that question wasn't really light is on so actually i think you can have to get used to questions like that because i think it's time to change and then he's probably looking around the division at the moment thinking i'm going to win it things are getting a little bit harder now as mark just said looking like a different kettle of fish you see it dortmund of certainly strength and then they have to get me started on friday so they're looking pretty good themselves but know times are getting tough and i think we're going to be more and more rattled over the coming months by and it will i mean clearly by and we'll be in the mix but i along with not one himself took this to be more of a 2 horse race guys based on this stuff from light so how close could they get i think they could win the title i mean they've just got to look at what happened to dortmund last season it's really tough to win now for this title it is incredibly hard and i'm not sure they've quite got the strength in depth but i think you can

definitely say it's a 3 horse race yeah ok well don't mind the featured later cruising for no on saturday the other big match let's turn our attention to those 2 here's what's months homo's what's homo's and by a boss man piece of bosch had to say off to the match. if you're my friend we have a really good team we play great football i want food places so skilled on the ball will have especially good with the ball of our feet taking on defenders using their pace they make great runs off to impact we have an ice cold striker in and around the box we have so many different qualities is not a good enough from our side we didn't play well we make too many mistakes if you look at the goals you see the mistakes we made and then it's difficult to win a top game like this one against a probably. not good enough says peter bosh and that's almost talking up daughters quality you wrote a piece on a website rather seeing dortmund stars were chances off their defeat to a new one on match day 3 how do you square this performance with that opinion well

i stand by the row about that after the new york loss of course and same to me after that loss that the same old mental deficiencies a still lead a crumble in the face of adversity and that was the biggest issue last year no formal drubbing of late accusing is going to change my mind on that and i think you know despite all the shiny new signings unless you can get this sort of mental block out of the way then never going to win and on i'm actually fairly sure. not just because of the union result but because of what i saw that they're not going to win the title this year and if i'm wrong you boys they can. look forward to that i mean i do see your point i mean the points at the small teams are crucial byan seem to get the care of take care of business when they face lower table opposition don't start with that last season but do you agree with this one really flattering to see you know i mean look at the 1st half of last season they were the best team in division and now they're better than they were then they've added france. schultz home olds and what happened to them last season will stand them in good

stead for this season they know what they've got to cope with but yes they've got to be beating things out but if they do i really think they can win the league yeah i mean i think mats hummels is one of those players that's going to be key because of the experience he has with dortmund winning. them it's hard will and also then winning loads a talk tools with byron as you do now bion i'm delighted 6 coaches they both before this much they said they see live because an as a dark holes in this talks all rice think they need to be bit of how without the fence they to bosch not really the right guy to do that but all they title race counted it or just solid top 4 candid is absolutely not title candidate some having none of that whatsoever they don't know any it when in the league last year and i think about actually the got worse i've sold uni of brunt to dortmund probably one of their best plays in on with chi have hits and then replaced in light for like and i think i'm less they had a real world kloss taught not to coach the never going to get name it's of no for me yeah have got to a gray there's no way they can win the league but the bone as acres

a bit we had this season the think most point it's for the grae who the top 4 going to be a and most people think laid the quds melinda up things from full thing they count really thin he's any hire them fall for i mean they're attack 2 years ago was odd to be the best in the division but now he kind of blows own cold and they've lost bran so you know way false ball yeah i mean i love a bit of later his in bob go to agree it's just not quite veja yet and he could even see a team like shall case they really get rolling on the david wagner make a threat to that 4th place by i've got a say lay because and looked like they've go to in the bag let's look at the table off the match they for then light sick in the lead ahead of dortmund and level on points where it is fribourg happy days fred mean well down below pot of warm still just have one point off than today's drubbing as do has a bowl in on your one so fought the happy a club in the capital will who to thought to it lets you know finish l. talk about its rice what about relegation who do you guys think could be threatened

that part of all in for me a deaf and yon down if you get spanked slot they did again shall he you've got no chaunce i mean come on it shall k. and i'd say minds of poverty and go down we've them as well yet i mean after that performance you've got to think about a bone the favorites and i've got a sneaky suspicion might get dragged into it when the going gets tough well on another promoted side cologne who you know with quite difficult to see how things will shape up for them i think they might struggle as well well thanks for joining us guys what a great discussion we've had and that's all from us forces i can be sure to tune in again on match day 5 thanks to ed and mark meadows i know.

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