this duo both larger than life both like the rods for controversy tonight both men are accused of abusing their powers in the u.k. parliament there are calls for prime minister boris johnson to resign in the u.s. congress investigations have begun which could end in the impeachment and removal of president double trouble i'm brick off in berlin this is the day. look this is the continuation of which are the words we're just a little history the president at the. calling upon exploring palace to interpose into the election it was a perfect all. for flow of life by the actions taken by the crew of seriously piling the constitution they didn't is the voters get it this is why they say it should be the election but you know what the fish are going to. violate

. the law is on the phone. also coming up the u.k. parliament is back in session after 2 weeks of a suspension that we learned yesterday was never really a suspension at all lawmakers including the prime minister went back to westminster today as if nothing had happened they have to try to hide from the people the truth the real truth all i know jailbreaks it. i knew she chaunced only in truth it's a guess that i don't any terrified that he's going to news but also even more terrified by the remote possibility that he might. once have our viewers on p.b.s. in the united states and around the world welcome we begin the day with the phone call between 2 presidents and a conversation that could bring down one of the. presidency's yesterday the u.s.

house of representatives launched an impeachment inquiry reacting to a whistleblower report that suggests u.s. president asked ukrainian president zelinsky to dig up dirt that trump could use against his opponent in next year's presidential election today the white house released the transcript summary of that phone call in it us president trump says i would like you mr selenski to do us a favor i would like my attorney general to call you and your people and i would like you to get to the bottom of it. and with that trump asked zelinsky to help deliver political dirt against joe biden the leading democratic candidate who could very well run against trump next year a u.s. president asking another country to help influence the outcome of a u.s. election an allegation that has triggered impeachment investigations an investigation that trumped today once again called

a witch hunt these are the documents the white house released hoping to diffuse the controversy over president trump's telephone call with his ukrainian counterpart of a lot of here's a lindsey instead they seem to back up claims that trump pressured selenski to investigate the business dealings of democratic rival joe biden's son trump continues to deny the allegations and says democrats are harassing him. is the rhetoric it was or whatever and if you take a look at the democrats they went down to see the president of ukraine and their son for all sorts of things and don't go with the republicans and stay with us and like it's a political war they shouldn't have done that it's the single greatest would chant in american history probably in history but in american history it's a disgraceful thing the conversation details were made public a day after house democrat leader nancy pelosi announced an impeachment inquiry into the matter a move she's defended. the president of the united states. shed

his constitutional responsibility has asked a foreign government to help him in his political campaign that cannot stand he will be held accountable top democrats had long resisted calls for impeachment fearing a backlash from voters who still support trump but compared to the russian dust a geisha they say the ukraine call is different after the president is directly involved here it's pretty clear what has happened and i think this as bad as the other stuff was this is even worse. what trump probably saw as a routine chat now looks set to be at the center of a massive political battle with congress one that could ultimately spell an early end to the trump presidency. you know public opinion make or break for this impeachment inquiry an investigation with replications for both the u.s.

and ukraine to talk about that tonight i'm joined here at the big table by galen drew he is host and producer of the 538 politics podcast and with the ukrainian side of the story for us tonight my good colleague nick connelly joins us from here gentlemen to both of you well. let's start with the u.s. and the ukrainian presidents they just met in a one on one meeting in new york at the u.n. afterwards they spoke to reporters here is part of what ukrainian president zelinsky said when he was asked about being pressured to help dig up political dirt for the u.s. take a listen are you sure that we had. i think good phone call it was normal we spoke about many scenes then day so i think in the you'll read it is that nobody bullshit pushed me yes and no credit. for it if

it didn't know what they want to know right here and there you know there was and by the way you know there was no pressure you have to do it is one of the call are that's what the u.s. president says i'd like to give both of you to react to this nic let me start with you did you get the impression though that president zelinsky that maybe he hasn't grasped entirely what exactly was being asked of him in that phone conversation. well brant the transcript we saw today is pretty remarkable because there's lots of talk of investigations before it even becomes really plain this is about biden and his father former vice president joe biden i think it's probably did a little unrealistic to expect that this communication came out of nowhere there wasn't any kind of back channel discussion before the official talk on the phone between the 2 leaders so i i think in terms of you know an interest in what joe biden sums up in ukraine i think he understands in terms of the ramifications of

this kind of conflict of interest in the u.s. but schools setting i think that's pretty hard to fathom here in ukraine because this is a country where most people would just your own country just like that where politics and big business where government policy and personal political interest of very tightly interwoven so there's no real big shock here in ukraine at the suggestion that trump would want to do something like this you know that's very good point where corruption have a home but these things are not surprising healing for the u.s. president this is really cut and dry isn't it a normal phone conversation he says and he says it's been turned into a witch hunt yet again yes so there are basically 2 questions here one is did the president of the united states ask the president of ukraine to dig up dirt on a possible political opponent it seems pretty clear that he asked the president of ukraine to investigate biden and his son hunter now with the president saying there

was no pretty quick pro quo he didn't say that this funding for our defense is specifically tied to digging up that dirt if you read the transcript no he didn't literally say if you do this i will give you military aid but we know from past the moeller investigation for example that's not the way that trump does business right in fact his personal lawyer michael cohen said that he basically says. you know it would be really nice we really need you to do this etc etc. i mean come on the person is a you know he's been alive on this earth long enough not to know that you don't say to the president of ukraine at least for an american president to do that to say hey if you investigate my political opponent i will give you the military if you want right i mean exactly quid pro quo can't take place without it actually being explicitly said as you said what about public opinion in all of this. it's important for this inquiry would you agree to that and do we know if most

americans they even want to see the country go through these impeachment proceedings ok so the answer to that question last week were based on the latest polling that we have is no. basically 60 something percent of americans say they're not interested in having an impeachment inquiry against the president it varies a little bit high fifty's mid fifty's and then say about 38 percent on average say they do want an impeachment inquiry into the president of the united states but there are a lot of copy outs there for example the house speaker nancy pelosi has not been pushing for an impeachment inquiry up until now and so there's a good chance that once you have high profile people in washington pushing for this public opinion it could change what it comes down to the final question of what they said total inquiry means public opinion is fundamental because the chance that the senate actually removes president really from office meaning 2 thirds of the senators vote to remove the president from office is controlled by the republican

which is controlled by the republicans is very low so you have to basically look at this from the starting point of this is political warfare and right democrats are going to use this inquiry to try to tarnish the president and you know they will say we have the legal backing we have like we're in the morally right position republicans will say this is a witch hunt how dare you and then when it gets the senate acquit him presumably unless something comes out that here to for we can imagine yeah i mean so nick you hear me to how explosive this can or cannot be in the united states and let's look take it then to ukraine i mean to put it in any way become a liability for president zelinsky despite the fact that there is so much corruption in the country. the already is a liability ukraine could only lose in this situation this is a lose lose if you were to come up with the goods or the ukraine judiciary as present selenski today reemphasized in new york that this is all independent he

can't influence anyone if they would come up with something against the biden family father who visited ukraine when he was vice president of the sun that would you know put ukraine in democrats bad books if he doesn't do trump the favor he's asked then equally he's going to have secured goodbye to those $400000000.00 in military aid and for the sales of weaponry so you really saw presidents get today desperate to focus on the positives on the on the smalltalk inviting retracing his invitation to president trump to come to kiev and you know the same kind of flattery we saw in the transcript saying how much he enjoyed staying in the trump tower when his visit to new york and just trying to say as little as possible because there is really nothing for ukraine to win in all of this and ukraine desperately needs american support after all lots of fears here in kiev that the europeans especially the french are going to go soft on russia going to bring back draw down those sanctions will be in place since crimea was annexed so that real

support and the bipartisan support ukraine has enjoyed for the past few years in washington absolutely crucial so ukraine security so are those of a why abilities and what about this entire scandal does this impeachment inquiry becoming an asset for donald trump i mean the president will certainly spin it as a potential asset for him you heard him say today that this impeachment could be good for the election and basically what this goes back to is probably clinton's impeachment because after republicans impeached clinton in the ninety's they saw democrats do very well in the midterm election following that essentially the americans felt as if their president had been victimized by republicans in the house they came out in droves to support him and ultimately democrats did well so donald trump wants that kind of. thore to be repeated in that he is seen as being victimized by these democrats who are partisan hacks etc and then he wins reelection in 2020 as a result but we only have very few examples of impeachment from history to have

been 3 previous impeachment proceedings and so it's not necessarily fair to use that one example as the kind of template for how this will turn out this could turn out very differently which explains why nancy pelosi has been so reluctant to take that step that she knows is going to trigger something that as you say is completely predictable let me ask you about the text of the text summary of this phone conversation if you read it it clearly reveals that you've got the president asking a foreign president to help him influence the outcome of the u.s. election it's clear and yet today we heard from people like lindsey graham the u.s. congress saying this is just normal conversations that presidents have with other heads of state other leaders but it's not is it. correct i mean i can't imagine an example in which a democratic president would have done such a thing and republicans would have been about as they're being about this situation the hell do the republicans sell this the as something that is normal because

that's what it felt like today when lindsey graham was talking about well throughout trump's presidency we've seen things that would have been an abomination under obama kind of framed in a particular way so we set the states this wasn't a quid pro quo he was just saying he was talking about a lot of things they included a conversation about security and it also included a conversation about corruption those 2 things may not necessarily be rent the president is concerned about corruption so you see that kind of it's all about framing the conversation in a way that this is normal for trump this is the way he speaks now it's up to americans whether or not they believe this was something that's going to happen now that has not happened before is democrats are going to be in the news on a regular basis in front of t.v. cameras making their argument as part of this impeachment inquiry for why the president should be impeached why they believe that he is guilty of high crimes and misdemeanors up until now palosi has been very interested in trying to quell the talk of impeachment and put emphasis on other things like the democrats policy

priorities that is going to change and once democrats start arguing loudly on television for americans on a regular basis that the president has broken the law or whatever the allegations may be you may see public opinion change i would not be surprised if support for impeachment started to take off as democrats become more vocal on this issue yeah it's completely unpredictable which of course makes it oldham were interesting a fascinating absolutely drink host and producer of the 538 politics podcast joining us tonight here in berlin and. my colleague as you right there nick connelly to both of you gentlemen thank you very much it's great thank rate discussion. where it was another eventful day in another eventful week british prime minister boris johnson today addressed parliament in london and challenge the opposition

labor party to table a motion of confidence in his government the british parliament resumed its session today after the supreme court yesterday declared that suspension by prime minister johnson to be unlawful here's boris johnson and the leader of the opposition jeremy corbin going at it today in westminster. they have been to house writers use troops to table the motion of nato troops was it wasn't he didn't have the rights to her they weren't anybody other proxies the secret apologies thank you girl wasn't trying to make sure we're going to tell you her body will end up with courage to write a will they refuse to take responsibility and do nothing but theater underway why wouldn't they after yesterday's ruling mr speaker the prime minister should

have done the on noble thing and resigned she was it was he had she would speak out he is forced back to this house to rightfully priceless crewdson he tried to avoid. with no shreds alfred moss or humility i mean i and of course no substance whatsoever. all right to talk about what we just saw there i'm joined here at the big table by quentin feel he's a senior analyst with the think tank chatham house in london he is here in berlin tonight it's good to see you quentin when i see that and listen to that i get the impression that boris johnson is acting like yesterday the supreme court parochial that just didn't happen is business as usual can he can he get away with it i don't

know he's gone straight on the attack he's just ignoring anything not there were coals right through this debate that he should resign and he should realise what a complete he was accused of being a liar you have to cheat it was a very angry angry and rumbustious debate. and he just ignored it totally and just said i carry on what i think is clearly was his strategy before is even more instruction either is i'm the man of the people who's going to take on this dreadful parliament and earlier in the day we heard his attorney general describe the parliament is a disgrace is a dead parliament this is the parliament there was only elected 2 years ago and it's a parliament that has actually been pretty strong in standing up to the government and that's exactly what the supreme court said yesterday they said parliament is sovereign and boris johnson was unlawful in trying to close it done

for 5 weeks so he had his power checked yesterday by the supreme court and now he wants to go next month and meet with e.u. leaders and see if you can get this last minute deal but after what happened yesterday the supreme court his position his leverage with them is even weaker than it was just 48 hours ago isn't it i think so i think that's that's it his chances of getting a deal really very slim and partly because they don't believe he can get it through parliament he could come up with a clear plan to get a deal through parliament maybe they could move to do that he's going to have to get crossed he's the poll he's going to have to reach out to the opposition to get agreement and what's he doing is attacking them head on and basically say you're a complete shallow you don't even have a motion of no confidence in me and precipitate an election. what's parliament

going to do now that they have resumes the session. can they do anything now to influence the brics it outcome that we may or may not experience on october 31st i mean is there work to be done yes undoubtedly there is i think. the 1st thing is they want to put absolute handcuffs on the law they've passed which says we will not crash out without a deal on the 31st of october johnson says i will have bay the low and he says i will say leave on the 31st of october and it's not clear how he can do that however there's something more dramatic they could do and this is what the scottish national party leader said in parliament today which is yes to have that vote of no confidence but then the all the anti boris johnson forces have got to come together and agree on a transitional government which would ask for a delay and organize

a an election or indeed organize a referendum one of the what do you think is more likely well it's very difficult a referendum take 6 months to organize where an election can can be done in a month the thing giving for a referendum is that actually both late jeremy corbett the leader and conservative boris johnson the leader of every split and a referendum gets them off the hook and it means that perhaps they can get the old bricks. i've got the way whether the referendum says we still want it all the referendum says no we're giving up on the words john said he would prefer to have an election because he believes i mean right now he has a minority government in parliament he believes that if you had the election today he would received strong showing strong support and he would be stronger in parliament so that's the better option for him than a 2nd referendum isn't it i think at the moment it is but. he's worry is and this

is how he's trying to be maneuvered into a scheme for an extension from the e.u. because he's made that such a big deal that he will die in a ditch rather than. not he actually is forced to us for an extent. he could then look weak and then he would pick up all the pro bricks it is because what he wants to do is smash the bricks it to his right what he is in danger of doing of course is losing voters to the left to the liberal democrats and so there is an argument that says if he counts a deal and did a deal with labor that they'd both agree to put it to a referendum vote going to an election in a way it would just get the issue off the yeah it's hard to imagine the labor coming any agreement making any deal right now with with boards johnson i think

that the mood is. the language is very strong and the fact that johnson flatly and repeatedly refuses to say sorry and refuses to apologize to parliament its rightful fundamentally he's been accused by the supreme court of misleading and lying to the queen that's pretty serious stuff that's right and i agree when bill is always we appreciate your insights thank you. we're here in germany the artistic an architectural movement known as bell house is marking its 1st century bauhaus in facades minimalism functionality and clean lines on ellen museum in the german city of camden says highlighting bell housings unique use of glass. the water glass redefined. here the water is trapped inside the glass making it a permanent part of a sculpture. the chemists glass exhibition is a bit like

a laboratory with artists exploring different aspects of the material. for the show it's dedicated to the material it was very important as the material in the beginning of the battle house movement creates wonderful possibilities are displaying objects and spaces on. smartphones screens magnified many times are also part of the show traces from fingers wiping the screen are frozen for eternity. the title of the exhibit i'm made entirely of glass comes from a quote by bauhaus artist marianna bond that includes her self portraits seen in round glass balls. as an informer in a brand is a famous daughter of cam that says and she's one of the best known figures from the bow house and one of the women who developed iconic objects is the cornerstone of baked and 12 hot climates residents were also invited to contribute by donating

glass objects that had special value to them this lamp for instance was the sole surviving object from a house that was destroyed in a world war 2 bombing raid. of the day is almost gone in the conversation it continues online you'll find us on twitter you critique of the news or you can follow me at golf t.v. to get to use the hash tag a day when you want to reserve remember whatever happens between now and then tomorrow is another day we'll see that everybody.

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