china turned 70 on tiananmen square there were no stains from the past as a soon to be superpower paraded its military might for the world to see but today in hong kong in the shadow of 989 violence own the streets and a policeman fired a bullet into a protester tonight china's split screen reality is one country 2 systems condemned to a future with one more massacre i'm bored golf in berlin this is the day. when you're going to one of these where there is no you fool speck and shake the foundation of peace great nation of the people in the free world strongly support people continue our fight it is important to come out to show to the whole government as well as paging god we are not afraid. no fools can stop the chinese

people. and the chinese nation from forging ahead. we can't continue to allow china to rape our country. and that's what they're doing but as far as america's concern those days are over. long live the people's republic of china and the chinese people. also coming up tonight the phone call between 2 presidents that has triggered impeachment hearings against donald trump the whistleblower didn't listen in to that conversation but someone else apparently did. mr secretary do you have any comment on reports here on the quite funny it's all a threat. to our viewers on p.b.s. in the united states and all around. in the world welcome we begin the day with

a parade in beijing and a bullet in hong kong today china marked the 70th anniversary of the founding of the people's republic the birth of modern day china and it was quite the show the military presented weapons unseen in public before the sign of an emerging and confident global power and tanks once again rolled out across tiananmen square but if anyone was reminded of the 1989 tiananmen square massacre with one man defying a tank where they made no mention of it no one was going to rain on this parade today but 1200 miles away in hong kong it was impossible to ignore the memories of the bloodshed from 30 years ago as they mixed with fears of what it could mean for the future pro-democracy protesters were back on the streets today demanding an end to beijing's increasingly authoritarian touch over the territory but today for the 1st time police used lethal force

a young man was shot in the chest by police 2 completely different realities inside what is supposed to be one country and the 2 ever become one peacefully we'll discuss that and the role of china on the global stage in just a moment we start tonight watching a parade. the people's republic in celebration 70 years after its founding its an economic and technological powerhouse the world's most populous nation with almost one and a half 1000000000 inhabitants dimensions matched by the scale of the celebrations. it was in 1949 when mao zedong led china into its new era. his successors remained in his shadow. president g.'s in ping is regarded as the most powerful leader since mile and the most powerful figure in the socialist one party apparatus perhaps that was the reason for the somewhat

subdued appearance of some of the central committee members alongside him. i i. the celebration was accompanied by a flawless performance by the people's liberation army soldiers tanks and state of the art military hardware including the intercontinental dongfang 41 missiles they served as a message not just to the chinese people but to the rest of the world that china's military is a force to be reckoned with. but a contrasting picture was playing out in the chinese territory of hong kong peaceful protests again ended in violence between demonstrators and police for the 1st time police fired live ammunition at a protester it's been 5 months since the protests began bringing together tens of thousands of hong kong are calling for democracy and freedom they want the territory to retain its special status and to rule without interference from beijing. i think basically all protests that is all right

so we want you to fall all right and freedom and we don't want to reduce this today we recall to say the warsaw. riyadh and all. criminal. city says he hauled home just rifle feet on the stand with multiple. presidencies in paying has promised long term stability for hong kong protesters their fear their territory could find itself in the same situation as taiwan beijing considers the democratic island part of its people's republic and presidency has made no secret of the fact that he wants to one day achieve what he calls the complete unification of china. and we have complete coverage tonight of china at 70 with me here in the studio the big table to my immediate right is very hard bunch that china expert with the bed

was from an institute and to my far right is clifford clinton from g.w. business and a former beijing correspondent and tonight from washington d.c. bradley bowman with the foundation for defense of democracies bradley is also a military analyst and a former national security advisor on capitol hill gentlemen welcome i want to ask all of you to start off with what kind of china did you see today and brought in let me start with you what picture was presented to you today it was a picture of a economically powerful militarily are all of our turning government is clearly trying to demonstrate the capabilities that they the some old in recent years and yet which are specifically targeted at the united states and our allies it's a country that wants to push the u.s. out of the region so that it can bully its neighbors. you know what did you see today. so you read it's a very powerful and very rich china that's the picture that they want to show the

world i think this whole parade had 2 sides to it the one that they show the world that's the military side and internally they also want to project that they are on a successful route which at the moment they are not what do you do at the moment where you have internal problems you project external strength. and well i thought it was interesting given that the narrative from for months now has been that china's suffering in the trade war with the u.s. i think this was very much aimed at showing that china is strong that it's able to stand up to the u.s. militarily as we saw with the like the dongfeng $41.00 missiles which can reach the u.s. in 30 minutes and also 2 for the internal market to show for the domestic market for the would be supporters of the communist party that it's strong and it's able to fight its corner in the trade war bradley let's talk a little bit about the new weapons that china showed off in that parade today it

what does it mean for the balance of powers in asia especially for the u.s. i mean you hinted at it there but talk to me a little bit about what china showed us today. i mean china zain is to change the balance of power in the taiwan strait in the south china sea in other places that push the united states and our allies and partners further and further back from its shores and as the balance of power and there are mines ships further and further and beijing's direction i think it makes it more likely that we would see aggression from beijing in the future and i think it's important to make clear that at least from my perspective the enemy is not the chinese people that sony's are great people with a great this year and a great civilization the villain here in my view is the chinese communist party which is undertaken the largest intellectual property in human history and is oppressing our people while violating international norms and rules in and this is

not the u.s. versus china at least it should not be us versus china isn't the china versus the world and that should manifest itself in our culture manifests itself in our policies in the south china sea the taiwan straits now where do you think there's any alarm going off in the pentagon tonight after what was displayed today and particularly with the i.c.b.m. the missile and talk of it being able to reach the the u.s. in of less than half an hour. i was in the pentagon this morning for meetings and i'm saying you know a lot of these weapons are well known as u.s. defense establishment you know these are not weapons that are produced in 6 months these are things that take years to develop some of these we've seen before summer of 2000 times the if you have 17 hypersonic line missile is particularly concerning would appear to be more capable than anything the u.s. her in counts so we the united states are allies we have

a work cut out for us and no doubt about that but i think it's important is very quickly very concerning this is spent just 3 things very good news for 33 years out there democratic allies and partners might be able to serve one is the u.s. military is undertaking in the last 2 years a robust readiness and modernization campaign that's well underway in his building very good fruit we have the most robust system of allies and partners in the world beijing wishes they have the alliances that we have and i don't think we should ever underestimate what a free people and free markets can do once we wake up to our threats are vital it's ok bernard i want to talk a little bit now about the picture inside the country when you take a look at what our correspondent sent us from the protest today in hong kong and then we'll talk. i'm not from long ago we were in a shopping cart when. one woman i think approached her. with. her problem wrapped around her was not.

so far toward. the bridge on the wrong part of. the part of the car. i don't want to. know one on. one. who got the really wrong. compelling images there and coupled that with this statistic in 1997 almost 50 percent of hong kong said they were proud to be chinese today that number is only 27 percent i mean does this beijing have a plan to win the hearts and minds of hong kong i mean when you see images like

what we just saw i mean i don't see a plan they are next they had a plan it just didn't work the plan was propaganda that is what they do and this is of course beijing's worst nightmare they thought they had hong kong covered it they've exposed them to 20 years of propaganda then and it didn't work so that the real nightmare for them is what does this mean for control in the main and it's not like this is going to spill over this for the time being they have the narrative under control but beijing absolutely had no clue that something like this could come up and could to assist for such a long time you know i think they think it's a contagion that could spread i think they can contain it in hong kong but that they didn't have to on their books worries them because inch. hina but they control public opinion so much they probably don't have a clue how much dissatisfaction. and propaganda hong kong shows that only buys you that much if there's

a little bit of freedom people will use that clip and let's talk about the economics of hong kong you know it was an economic jim in the crown back in 1997 it's not that anymore it's now also the most expensive city in the world and i read 250000 people are on a waiting list for public housing so what does that mean she jinping has to do if there's not going to be a military option like tiananmen square in $1809.00. well i think if you think back to me 2 years and she jumping visited hong kong and celebration the city said that was a red line across which people could not cross and we've seen that red line crossed again and again so how does that what does that mean for the party which a lot of people have overestimated i think. sort of underestimated the importance of hong kong is actually still very very important because it's still the main conduit for a lot of the money leaving china not only going into china and it's also very

important region itself shanghai isn't there yet shanghai has tried repeatedly to unseat hong kong but it hasn't succeeded so economically hong kong is crucial and it also it has a very important psychological role in the makeup of the whole country so i think it's a real problem about how do you how do you deal with this child. and i don't really see where the answers are going to come from short of military intervention but military intervention again is such a huge step that would it would also severely damage the markets i mean you don't get the impression that she. has his thumb or his finger on any military but right now i mean it would make sense for him to find ways to put money and resources into hong kong to address issues you know young people can afford to buy an apartment in hong kong for example so maybe is it possible that he's thinking you know let's do the economics and make them happy that way and eventually the politics will follow

. well i think i think that's the way the thinking goes in beijing that you can use money but i think with these demonstrations have really shown is that actually young people don't we do seem to care about the money i mean you know money might be a reason why you go out once or twice a year but they're going at week after week day after day they're leaving school they're showing that this is more than about money you know it reminds me of something that i discussed with joshua watching the pro-democracy activists he was in berlin a couple of weeks ago with and i put it to him that. congress have more in common with the londoners and new yorkers than they do with their compatriots in china and he didn't know what to do with that and i said it's because of the british you were a colony for such a long time the brits created you so do you think the brits have any type of responsibility now i mean politically in this i mean they're responsible for the

existence of hong kong as we know it. they didn't do a very good job leaving hong kong as a democracy it wasn't a democracy under british rule have absolutely no political means to involve themselves there now but you're right of course hong kong is a totally different animal of a society than than the chinese one and integrating the 2 of them just hasn't hasn't worked to how do you how do you do that how do you integrate this territory where they live like we do here with a one party in a totalitarian communist state how do those 2 that's like apples and oranges that is there or beijing kind of question how does it work though and how well the magic formula would be just like hong kong be they making money for china it doesn't really matter if they become a bit democratic beijing is so obsessed with bringing hong kong under its control and this of course extends to taiwan it wouldn't really hurt them it's just that

just a nationalist thing that they want to have it under control and they have their own idea of what control i mean ask you to. pull back in for this one too about what the west particularly the united states thought about china 23 years ago i remember bill clinton was once quoted as saying if you give them coca-cola maybe britney spears then democracy will follow but that hasn't happened the is china the exception or is china more the rule when you're talking about changing entire societies. i would say it's not the exception it hasn't worked the way we looked at it but it doesn't mean that people want to have a say in their lives it's just that the beijing system is much much better at controlling the country than any other dictatorship that's been before yeah and

what happened to america's pivot to asia we talked about that so often under obama did we did we just let that go when we should have stayed focused. you know i was working on capitol hill in the senate during those years and republicans i think were rightly critical of the obama administration at that time and saying the feet the so-called imminent danger was more rhetoric and reality are and that was the you know the wars in iraq and afghanistan what happened here in the u.s. was in my view the bomb and mr ation and congress did not provide this mission timely funding required to fund current operations maintain reading as a modernize the force and so china and russia use that time to go to school if you will on the on way america fights and to modernize their forces and what has happened as a result is we've seen an erosion of u.s. military superiority and that's not just on american backed and i think that's bad

in the world because the more powerful the china believes they are militarily the more likely i think they are military less and what about high tech and that will be the last topic though because we're running out of time we've talked before about 5 g. technology and networks and and poor way and china dominating that china at 70 let's talk about china do you see besides the military aspect do you see the tech and the privacy and surveillance do you see that as the big battle field between the west and china moving forward. in trying to challenge my view goes well beyond the military domain i think the focus exclusively on the military at our own peril i think should we enter your you know i should be initial the concept of a chinese private sector there is no such thing as a chinese private sector companies are either working on currently the c.c.p. or one phone call using away from working for the c.c.p. and the sooner we realize that. all right cliff what do you say about that i mean

well it's a very interesting it's a very interesting argument i think certainly where we're seeing more and more party influence xi jinping is centering everything upon himself and where we saw at least to have the big capitalists here as like jack my. agenda right suddenly they're all kind of taking a backseat and everything is becoming very very party focuses so i think one can definitely argue that there is a very very strong state element now to everything going forward and how the economy is run behind i mean china at 80 we're talking about xi jinping president for life could be i'm not sure though because this is all going in the direction of a planned economy and it hasn't worked the 1st time and we're seeing a lot of inefficiencies now i wouldn't bet all my money on it working the 2nd time all right gentleman very hard barge the china expert with the bertelsmann institute clifford koonin with did have a huge business and in washington bradley bowman the foundation for defense of

democracies gentlemen great discussion thank you thank you. the impeachment proceedings against u.s. president are moving along quickly and the allegations against him are widening geographically after ukraine of the latest revelations showed up pressuring the australian prime minister to help him get some information that could maybe help him profit politically the us president asking him to investigate the origins of robert bowler's probe that found russia trying to swing the 26000 election in the republicans favor the u.s. secretary of state might pump a oh he has hit back at house democrats he is accusing them of bullying behavior by calling 5 former and current state department officials to give depositions this week trump's personal lawyer rudolph giuliani is among those under scrutiny for

trump's dealings with ukraine. all this nonsense about identifying the election i gathered all this evidence before the moeller probe ended so it was clearly under my responsibility as the lawyer for the president of the united states listen i don't i don't meeting the final meeting that the you've traded sas for i got rid of the investigation was over the question was the most pressing is the one list you can still. hold that. the. president took i'm just president of ukraine when you're president of an independent nation and i think the steps i've taken so you find proof that i cannot be influenced and mostly involve famous last words there for more on the ukrainian president who is now at the eye of a growing american political storm i want to pull in our correspondent nick connelly he is on the story for us in kiev while these are some interesting times

aren't they nick it looks like president zelinsky i mean he apparently got caught saying some not so nice things about other leaders here in europe i'm talking about the german chancellor in that phone conversation that he had with u.s. president trump let's just kind of look at the part of that transcript trump said to him when i was speaking to uncle americal she talks ukraine but she doesn't do anything and the lenski responded you know donald you're absolutely right not just 100 percent but a 1000 percent right now and when you look at that is there going to hurt zelinsky in his plans moving forward with germany and with the european union are those words going to come back to haunt him. brant i'm not sure they will i think most world leaders have things to be queasy about if they have private

by the actual calls were published like this interestingly enough i think in this case this transcript came out without anyone in washington bothering to warn that this was coming and we have seen selenski meeting angela merkel in new york at the u.n. since this came out seeming it business as usual the fact that ukraine's disappointed by western european response to its calls for aid that there are talks talks specially in france about reengaging the kremlin even softening sanctions without huge or major russian concessions that all the stuff that has worry kid for a long time is not a secret i think he was fairly cautious in his speaking to trump and in terms of the flattery 100000 percent agreement rather 100 percent you can even read that as him being ironic and actually making fun of the president in a way that donald trump interpreted as praise so i think we'll room there and i think in terms of his dealing with europe there hasn't been any major damage yet yeah that's a very very good point you get it really is in how you read it if this thing

exploded more. is president selenski is he prepared for the fallout that could come in his direction do you think i mean he's a novice in politics you've got 30 seconds. he definitely is someone there who is proving that he can learn on the job i think the major thing here is that ukraine can only lose from this affair it whatever it does if it investigates 100 baud it brings one haul for us politics up against kiev if it doesn't it brings trump up against it so they're all hearing kids doing their best to keep their heads down and hope that the heat moves on and that u.s. politics moves on to other countries and other battles in the economy in kiev on the story for us nick thank you very much the day is almost up the conversation continues online matter what happens between now and then tomorrow is another day we'll see you then everybody.

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