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if you get to. play from somalia live around the world. needed urgent assistance. starts october. little thing the. french golf clubs in the central europe you've seen massive demonstrations protest demonstrations up to the prime minister to decide whether he won't fall to step aside to let me believe in the independence so far i'll do the fury with time running out for brussels in london to get a breakfast deal for you with plumbing for people all the blame on britain if the negotiations fail my guest this week here in prague is the czech pharmacist but. he has surprisingly clear differences with the government he so of why doesn't he resign.
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come especially check welcome to cope with so much just a few days before britain is due to leave the european union post johnson says he wants deal to trust him. all times are still possible. for us if you don't so the question too trusting. it's a little time to find an agreement. in the situation but there are troubling development in the u.k. there are some proposals on the table but time for negotiation is limited i know that you don't so you do trust him. for going that option. he's willing to leave if you result agreement for us and his and not
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a good option but if it u.k. is not able to find a compromise and have a majority in the parliament for agreement i don't see you know it's now clear that if there's no deal there's likely to be considerable damage not just to britain but to the e.u. economies as well why do you sit in silence waiting for this slow motion car crash to happen without making your opinion felt and. easing the path to a deal because a deal is in your interest we have been quite vocal that we want a deal but the ball is on the british side at the moment but in everyone's interest on one side is it what we have negotiated for a number of months or for more than a year about it and we meant which was how to find a compromise on the $27.00 side as well and now we are dealing with a situation that one side or was negotiating without clear support for doc to come
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to negotiation and the ball is really on the on a pretty sight. we would like to see what other proposals specially when it comes to backstop because so this is the main challenge for us. you talked about divisions among the 27 it was difficult to get a unified line here brussels always says you are absolutely in unity on the issues that's not true is it is true whether it was necessary to accommodate concerns of many member states before religion that we meant last year and it was not an easy task for you want to go shitters or so to accommodate in interests and concerns of member states like iran and but many others where you have for instance you have child michel who's the new european council president he wants. he says that no deal is better than a bad deal you have from the line is going to be the new commission president she
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wants to extend the deadline for britain so she would be willing to extend the article 15 and go sheesh so you do have divisions here you have 2 divisions minor one maybe that's a mild visit for us for us it's also important that if u.k. wants to extend. the period for negotiations and that there are good reasons for that present it by by westminster let's consider it. are you content to blame britain put all the blame on britain if the negotiations because that's what russell's is leading towards that's what. has already said if things fail it will be the british british fault do you share so i would blame for this. 1st of all i think that the blame game is something that is not contributing to face negotiation but the player that's is playing. 'd the game has been there
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let's try to limit to the democrat. that the city already caused by it is a blame game it is not to blame one side or one side only thing that for the for the sake of the women i think that we should be open. for the proposal from the other side let's discuss it was in you 27 but it's important to keep the unity in the european union that's something that we have to strive for you have been able to maintain the unity over the past year and it's important also to be prepared for . establishing relations between the block and u.k. after the it's. happened european industry european history is very nervous getting the us as we get down to the deadline also the citizens we have around 200000 people people living in newquay and so far they really don't know what's going to happen they live. and this is also not
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a very positive part of the whole process comunion futures of warning about a seismic shift in trading conditions if it leaves with no deal and many of the chinese are only become manufacture in europe we are also concerned about the impact that's why we always supported women to. but you provide us a place to negotiate future relations between you and him including a trade relation between the block and great britain result of the result of the agreement we will get to the situation that becomes our sort of country from one moment to. arming the relations causing a lot of problems to not only car manufacturers but for many other industries i understand what you're saying you mentioned the irish backstop which is the main stumbling block to getting an agreement are you happy that this one issue could talk paedo the whole deal between britain and the e.u.
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is it really is it really worth brussels digging in its heels on this one but we should just be pretty should the whole deal we should keep in mind the whole history of the island it is not possible to divide the island at the same time we need to make sure that we protect internal market and the best seller in britain the good friday agreement that we are trying to to preserve the boat and the backstop is the way how to preserve the books we don't want to return back before the friday agreement but this is very early if there's no deal you would jump the good friday agreement for you we also would have to. come up with some proposals there are some if it doesn't you know i will put up a border the e.u. will put up a board it's already said it would if there is a new deal there were billboards so that's why we also would like to see that. comes up with some proposals there are some currently discussed
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a negotiated we are open to negotiations but these things if things go badly are you seriously telling me that it's worth risking a return to the terrible violence that took place a little with another simply to preserve that option use mules what other options. simply the fact that the backstop is not because of protecting the single market is also a way to preserve that there is more important it is also how to preserve the friday agreement was to protect you in the czech republic you have your own problems with the e.u. don't you you're part of the visit group which is known as the kind of awkward squad with poland hungary and slovakia you don't like quotas for irregular migrants you don't like the climate change policies you refused to sign up to the used 20500 carbon goal why. i don't think that. trench
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a lot of countries in the center of europe 1st of all very active in your opinion on many issues why did you refuse to sign up to the climate bill the 28 is still negotiated. over about the need to have a strong climate and energy policies in the european union we are meeting our obligations and it comes to part of the agreement at the same time we want to have a comprehensive approach to the dangerous troy's europe to see it that the reality your prime minister babesia has said to you is also on. that 110th of the global emissions you is not going to salvage the whole climate was all of us and let's. use a little in this time to your prime minister mr bush has said why should we decide 31 years ahead of time what will happen in 2050 that's not a very helpful comment because if we don't decide now 25th is going to look very
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different than it might otherwise do and i agree that it is time to tough policies that will have impact until so that's the full kamaelia prime minister is i agree that we need strong new policies in this area 'd he doesn't the same time we would like to have a rational realistic debate in who's going to get their way the prime minister or you on this prime minister is also part of the negotiations we are taking part of the solution that want to read you haven't doesn't want to reach any decisions now he says why should we take decisions 31 years ahead and he discussed with new president of the european commission about the climate change other partners in new europe he probably presented the position of my country that industrial explorer intercountry would like to see that all the options on the town table will not to teach to the understudies ation loss of jobs. we don't have we don't want to have. a jobless future. on migration as far as the was concerned you've been equally
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unhelpful when it came to taking the share of the huge numbers of the regular migrants turning up at the borders you decided there's wasn't he you in 2017 you took just 12 of them out of in the e.u. mandated quota of 2700 not 1200 you took just 12 and then your government said it wouldn't no longer comply just like hungary and just like poland why i want your help we're i'll pick you take the money from the e.u. you don't play by the rules of the we are giving a lot of money to prevent migration to solve some of the problems in the countries of origin or in terms of what's a lot of money 100000000 crowns. it's hundreds of millions of dollars of 1000000. computer resources all you have available just under $4000000.00 euros a year no it's much more money we are now preparing
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a project with germany in morocco we have a project. in libya. annually giving hundreds of millions of check ground to a middle east north africa we have just 30 percent of the government libya have been a disaster haven't they minister because of the help we have results in its resulted in helping the libyan coast guard take people back to libya and put them in an acceptable conditions incarcerated in camps indefinitely being beaten up and sexually abused and that's thanks to the european union's policies. we you think oh you don't believe think you are doing some good we have a very complicated situation in libya and largely to the fate that it is in a stable internal divided country in conflict and international community has a very limited scope of how to operate in the country how to provide assistance to
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refugees there at the same time there are many other. have been successful and that's. possible situation in middle east where we have been able to assist the refugees in jordan and lebanon we have been able to assist internally displaced people in the cities in syria as well do you plan to be out in mali don't you we also sense and he says this is a country with an appalling human rights record last year they were accused by the human rights by human rights watch of committing atrocities that's the army in mali this is the government you're going to help now we are going to help the people and how is the money to get there directly or through the government we are 1st of all helping through the european mission that you would like to come to depend on for as they go through the government whose human rights record is pretty questionable we are not locating any funds directly for the government we would like to work with the people of his local communities we would like to work through
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international organizations that are trying to stabilize the people that are affected by internal conflict in mali as well and we are also trying to help help the local to get basic security that's something that people really need to see this country report from freedom house asylum seekers to your country are routinely detained and conditions and conditions in detention centers are generally poor why why do people put conditions the question probably for the ministry of interior you know turning over some you have listed on the government haven't. done any steps in the process. the country has been. the destination for many of them. in the past especially from the east because there are not only movements from the south from the from africa from middle east but the dozens of 1000 people coming to the opinion from the east from eastern europe from asia and only the last year we had
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30000 new cut incoming people from countries like ukraine mongolia central some to asia so that's also focused not only on 11 flow of flows and in this regard to be trying to have a regulated process through which we can allow people to get freedom also also reported that xenophobia and t.v. refugee rhetoric had been voiced by your prime minister and your president. how helpful is that. it doesn't have put helpful i think that we need to fight any forms of can for bill but this is coming from senior members of your government in 2011 before becoming president this is a man labeled islam anti civilization and sit there with no such thing as a moderate muslim just like there were no moderate nazis that's that's that's quite a hateful comment as i'm a social democrat i understand and for me and i kind of intolerant so for be are
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under semitism is a big problem about this in the case of my country only we have witnessed this trend across european union and we need to have a strategy how to fight it is why i'm so glad that i did on the government to obama . is not a commission the will have this in the hopper for the or that we will. take initiative on that on that issue the rise of center for b r racism under semitism is a problem for the whole of europe union officials are you fighting you have a lot of got a lot of we have but let's be honest there's a little problem of my country only that's a problem of many countries and you have foreign minister of this country and i'm i'm i'm getting to you about the czech republic and i'm not advocating. this kind of rhetoric for me it is not acceptable as a social democrat i believe that the politicians should give example to the people
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that we cannot work together on the on but a future on addressing the fears of the. within the pollution and people. using this kind of rhetoric we talked about the climate issues we talked to the migration another cause of tension with the e.u. is allegations that you'll believe in their prime minister mr babich improperly received more than 17000000 euros in e.u. subsidies to the agra for business with which he has been both directly and directly connected and the e.u. audit allege significant conflicts of interest in his private business although he's said he doesn't think he's done anything wrong and he called the e.u. report an attack on the czech republic do you see that report as an attack on the czech republic or for the us is an attack on the on the country i thing that we should leave it to investigators to come up with final final findings.
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we we have the ministries responsible have provided the information the european commission asked for i believe that everybody should be considered. considered to the cross and i think that happened until it is proved by this standard and surging to your relations with the e.u. isn't it. i haven't been i haven't witnessed. any of my colleagues what was happening. money even though they certainly you is like the blood backing down on the charges despite the denials from the prime minister but the investigation is still ongoing some investigations are needed to be made it clear the. one case has been closed to recently by the prosecutors really. providing information to a pain clinic commission when it comes to out it's ordered so you are talking about
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the domestic charges that were. going so domestic charges which are limited to the prosecutor dropped at the same time a european commission is still. continuing problem issues 1st is refusing to let payments go from the e.u. budget until the fine structure yeah after your final report is presented and the final report hasn't been presented well me proud prosecutor dropped the case against mr babich. he published an explanation of his decision half of it was blacked out what has he got to hide and what has the government got to hide why do you offer girls relations in the public and the black half of it down to the point of that because a. superior prosecutor still lies in the outcome of the not suspicious about this. i'm believe in the independence of
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our judiciary i don't have any reason to question it you're not. and at the moment to disappear or to the prosecutor is now studying the files and should come up or whether he's going to reconsider the decision or not but i think that it is up to prosecution and in a prosecution should have a time to decide. through their 'd internal processes about the case you're also specious that 2 weeks after the police are commended charging him some ask he replaced i don't just that is this is this is something this is public information until it is it is finally decided it is still part of the process in germany you don't you don't publish the cases before they are closed this has been put out in the press these accusations one accusations after another do you not think it's time that the prime minister who has denied all the accusations against him would
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step aside to clear his name because this is taking up a lot of government time and you've seen massive demonstrations protest demonstrations against this in the capital biggest demonstrations here in prague 30 this is up to the prime minister to decide whether he wants to step aside what's your opinion as member of the junior partner in the coalition what's your sense of them about. several times so that it would be the best if and or come up with. somebody who come. take the position until prime minister is saying you should want him to step down and i think this is the question for the for the party for our coalition partner not for us to decide much of a senior member of the junior but of our agreement is that we are not commenting on personal policies of caution partners the head of the odious opposition party the largest opposition group said he respected the prosecutor's decision not to press
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charges but said the whole case leaves behind a bad taste and a divided society you you're not doing you agree with do you the whole cast leaves that. it leaves a better taste but as i started i believe that the our judiciary. play perfectly jurors are fully independent and if they come up with some decision that is outcome of independent inquiry the influential financial terms of the conflicts between mr babich is extensive business is and his role as prime minister a stain on czech democracy just to silvio berlusconi tarnished italy's reputation 2 decades ago i wonder how long will you are prepared to sit in this coalition and have this stay in unchecked democracy how long do you not get to a point where you consider your position lower than the near her for many rankings where our situation has improved over the past year so really improve on rule 4 can
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corruption. not according to greco you haven't which is the kind of a view council of europe signed to corruption body under brutal on the country you're going to have using many recommendations and said you haven't accepted any of that in many many. confirmed progress we have started implementing got into corruption the strategy adopted into a dozen 18 and the president has been echo said your country is not ok but they're not going to live in this procedure noncompliance procedure but these procedures also take time to comply with some of them and also. applying our policy that is play and that has been referred to international international committee but i will point to go back to the question what point do you consider your position and can no longer serve in the sky because i disagree with what's going on to supreme with
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what the prime minister says the president said the president went back on earlier and said he had previously said he would never stop an investigation into mr bobbitt he changed his mind and said this is part quite possible there is speculation about what's going to happen after this is what he said but it's not how could not take place it didn't. go back on his word directly elected president and that's up to the people to decide elections and what about personal decision and what i would do what is outside what about and was the ultimate of them. could sustain opposition outside the government and i'm certain a government people have what would you have what would it be you answer that question you asked the question it will be a government supported by a populist and extremist forces and certainly not in the interest of my country that's why we probably heard cost of this coalition at the same time as a social democracy we need to maintain and keep. the independence of the judiciary
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we need to be the guardians of serbia fry said with these charges isn't that all these charges other than some saying that we need to play the role of keepers and that are tough in the government i believe and still hasn't been any final decision on any of the cases we are waiting for the for the outcome of the commissions of inquiry we are also waiting for the domestic cases to be finally closed until that. and the speculations which leaves a lot of but based. lot of pre-judgement. at the same time them across a. country where the space rule of law you expect to wait until the courts decide it's time was better check thank you very much for bill cope thank
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be. this is news coming to you live from berlin germany celebrates a day off from germany. michael says the country is really a fixation has been a success but there's still more to do too 9 years since the german reunification in the uk also means being aware of the fact that it's plenty left to the germans have said they feel like 2nd.
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