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discover them to. subscribe to the documentary on you tube. 9 am on april 11th 2019 at the ecuadorian embassy in london british police have been granted access to the building to arrest julian a song on ecuadorian territory. the founder of wiki leaks struggled to prevent his diplomatic asylum from coming to
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an end. at 10 15 in the morning julian assange was removed from the embassy where he had spent 2487 days or. the arrest marked a new chapter in the saga of the wiki leaks founder. who for you is ecuador's minister of foreign affairs who is julian a son i mean by that for me and the country of ecuador julian assange is an australian citizen who applied for asylum in our embassy in london in 2012 quoted on the us and this asylum lasted for nearly 7 years. but he. really threw it out said yes he was famous one of the world's big media celebrities someone who was deeply loved or passionately hated depending on your. interests and
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point of view. that it was he said to the poll this. morning i'd be concerned though that is admirers around the world misguided they might be 1st of all them as an enemy of the united states someone who tried to. and successfully released cans of thousands of documents that really harmed our national security he almost undermined the entire operation to get osama bin laden through his leaks. want a phony as does the citizens intelligence. and made of looking weak easy to wiki leaks and julian assange change the course of history even if he spends the rest of his life in prison he's already made history and to this we that. i wish to you.
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on april 11th 2016 exactly 3 years before a songes arrest 2 ecuadorian security officers seized our i.d.'s and mobile phones and searched our bags. obtaining an interview with the sonship took months of negotiations with his closest confidantes friends you with your. first question oh you do if. people of this question that about the same as any other day. am i angry about the situation of course do you have to pay a price for the things you believe and of course. love or hate julian assange the documents released by wiki leaks shocked the world. the gone tunnel files leak laid bare the inner workings of the american prison camp and the torture that was carried out. the collateral murder footage revealed the
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killing of iraqi civilians and 2 journalists shot down like targets in a video game. the war logs leak of classified military documents about the conflicts in iraq and afghanistan exposed to looting torture and kidnapping other files shed light on 50 years of u.s. diplomatic policy and helped expose bashar al assad and his corrupt regime. wiki leaks also helped engineer the escape of edward snowden a former n.s.a. employee who lifted the veil of secrecy from global u.s. surveillance operations. a world without julian assange on jan wiki leaks that would also mean that revelations about u.s. spying on french presidents would never have been made public. when we revealed
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that the 3 presidencies had been deeply penetrated by the united states and the president's personally for. what should have been the crypt response. of the french intelligence of the future to come immediately to us and say do you have more how we failed. to protect the president from your response. that didn't happen so why didn't that happen well i don't believe the french intelligence services are idiots. that's the 1st thing to do. the concern about possibly offending the americans their concern. was so much. that they prefer to be a victim i didn't understand what was going on. aug
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2010 in the swedish capital stockholm julian a son she responded to the ultimatum the pentagon had issued to wiki leaks. one of those. was that we destroy our archives of classified information relating to the pentagon and the 3rd was that we stopped dealing with us. if we did not follow. then we would. biko worth. a few days later a son a man who many applauded as an icon of transparency stood accused of sexual assault . thomas found scholar as a journalist at the swedish newspaper express and he covered the sons' case as it was happening. giuliana source was visiting sweden he met these 2 women 2 different locations and eventually accused
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him of rape and sexual assault the case made international headlines songes attorney in britain later stated that 2 swedish prosecutors told him the case did not involve rape but sex by surprise. laws on sexual assault moved to the center of the accusations. i think the case was shelved and then rolled out again indicating that there's presumably a crisis bit more behind it that he simply splendid french law this would not have been right. the 2 women agreed that they had on separate occasions and gauged in consensual sex with a songe but they accused him of failing to use a condom as they had asked. if. they filed a complaint and suddenly found themselves in the global spotlight.
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the swedish investigation against julius sanch was beset by controversy. so express a ruby and one of the investigators knew one of the women who refused to do it in a song very hard written to each other on facebook before this all happened they had also been involved in the same political party and this came off to julian assange so his legal team had criticised the prosecutors and the police. to solve the case they should have completed the investigation. witnesses should have been head and the text messages between him and the women submitted in order to establish the facts of the case and the bunch of addiction. appeared before the authorities but said he had to go abroad because of certain obligations he did what he had the right to do he. left sweden and headed for london
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after 2 years of legal wrangling the british courts ruled that the swedish extradition request was legitimate and activated the warrant for his arrest. and a sanch beard he would be extradited to sweden he fled to the ecuadorian embassy where he was granted political asylum. and even as a german computer hacker and friend of julian assigned. he came forward to clarify a songes position with respect to the swedish authorities. after the guns over the years in writing and through his lawyers he repeatedly offered sweden that he would permit himself to be extradited for questioning and for the purposes of a hearing in court about the 2 women's accusations of coercion. to go when i was
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young but he wanted sweden to agree that they would not extradite him to the united states the swedish government wasn't willing to grant this condition. that's why he hasn't been able to respond to the case and the accusations that have been made against him for all these years. 5. months until swedish prosecutors have not exhausted the range of international legal means that would have committed questioning in england. on june 19th 2012 julian a son slipped through the net of the british intelligence services. the man who opened the door of the ecuadorian embassy was then console not a bias. a seal this is the 7 years of asylum in our embassy didn't have anything to do with sweden. from the 1st day our government emphasized that they wouldn't interfere in the swedish
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investigation julian assange didn't go to sweden because he feared he would be extradited to the u.s. . news but. there was a major investigation of wiki leaks underway. and qaeda demoed see it that's why we concluded that his life rights and freedom were threatened to lose that it was not by the swedes. and but by the americans all but when they missed us from the source you see no problem with your list also needs. to ponder death and the environment around us sauce became more hostile here off to a year. when i visited him at fez the guards were still offering me coffee that at the end the atmosphere was really tense in the hierarchy that anyone in to see today and a shooting and. eventually
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a new government came into power in ecuador april 2nd 2017 lenin moreno was elected president. it's a moment of he says in the saudi at that moment he hadn't yet suspected that his relations with ecuador would worsen and while a loon equal the only country that was protecting him he ended the asylum and turned a songe over to his pursuers but only a single instance to say that this. why did ecuador's new government change course. we went to the capital quito to find out more. lenin moreno held a speech before the national assembly. i think of the. electricity but he did know this is possible a lot of us nobody but most other. not without. going so you're
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getting those who are. letting go of the past would that also mean closing the lid on the leaked documents known in ecuador as the enough papers which implicated the president and his family in. money laundering. blamed wiki leaks for the scandal. was there a connection between that leak and julian assange is a rest. the case falls under the purview of ecuador's minister of foreign affairs who was a valencia. he granted us an interview. for his asylum at the embassy was ended because of his inappropriate behavior and
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for other reasons as well. as it was thought he had interfered in the affairs of other countries attacked a guard and installed unauthorized equipment. he tried to subvert the embassy security system and accused us of spying on him. in short he was accusing us of crimes by the ecuadorian government could not tolerate that and no other country would have tolerated it either. there were a few isolated incidents that in no way reflected julian's overall behavior. and. they had the goal of ensuring julien no longer felt comfortable there. the problem he was deliberately harassed and provoked to elicit incidents that would
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justify the unjustifiable. then they wanted to end his political asylum and use the pretext of alleged incidents within the embassy in this. then throw their long behind. i mean that's how the continuous vote on this threaten to push certain buttons if you felt threatened or harassed by ecuador's government. before they face you know all that was a matter of substantial concern yet it was because we wanted to avoid risk but we employed diplomatic channels to ask the british police for support or would people if we had to go eat the more they didn't see on the left. what buttons and threads were being referenced here did a signs have any documents he was planning to release ecuador's new government
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change the company responsible for monitoring a songe in the embassy. before 2017 signs was monitored by u.c. global a private security company with offices in a number of countries. journalist for none of the obvious senseo also investigated the events. is this in my view this is the award they present to ecuador's best investigative journalist. last year i received from my investigation of the case of julian a sandwich things. moreno suspended moreno terminated u.c. global's contract and hired problem security and could dorrian security company without any intelligence service or public security experience the company came out of nowhere and fulfilled the same tasks as you see global you know what.
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the new company doesn't answer to former president korea but is working for lenny merinos government than anyone in a. surveillance videos began to appear online. they showed julian a son in the kitchen hallway and in the living room at the embassy. does get dole and this was how they transmitted to the merino government all the information interrogation protocols and assessments of surveillance that took place everywhere in the embassy you know the motive. why would the ecuadorian government have been trusted an unknown company to monitor a man wanted by the us intelligence services. funded media in late 2017 problem security took over responsibility for security at your embassy or the new staff given new instructions by the sick no i don't think this new contract had
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anything to do with the security directives in the embassy none of this is the other hot so is the family and i'd like to emphasize that there weren't any cameras installed in mr a song just private quarters the 3 rooms he lived in this is your son's. so who owns the cameras that films julian asuncion private. home could pump security have carried out an espionage operation without your knowledge know how to do it that settles we don't know if someone installed a 3rd. system independently of this company this. system of. security was just a front they use the name of this company as a cover to carry out espionage activities without interference that the name of the company doesn't matter at all whether it's pepito neato or problem security hiding
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behind this name or just the interests of the merino government. is standing dennis is. it what we have no motive is to. say the company julian was told that his internet access and his phone service were being terminated effective immediately on the orders of ecuador's government li embassy isn't a jail but it had been turned into one that. after julian assange his arrest ecuadorian authorities seized some of his personal belongings. they left his clothes but confiscated computers hard drives electronic devices and documents. carlos beauvais that is julian assange and his attorney in ecuador. we were denied
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access to the evidence that was allegedly found in his personal effects i fear and i'll say this directly that they could go as far as fabricating evidence there are no witnesses this so-called evidence could be used to support the other geishas against him by the us. needs. our prosecutors received a request for judicial assistance from the us department of justice to confiscate some of mr a soldier's personal belongings because they could be relevant to the investigation against him. this binocs will these documents be turned over to the u.s. so. yes absolutely we could do that because the request for judicial assistance requires us to provide copies of these archival documents to the country that filed the
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request. that night but. but one mustn't assume that the documents or other items of evidence from the embassy necessarily implicate mr a song. science. is those and we know that the u.s. has a lot of information about the merino government. and their behavior is reaction to pressure from the u.s. . but as you on this over the years the united states had indeed grown increasingly frustrated by its songe and wiki leaks. in 2016 he raised the ire of the democratic party. running for president wiki leaks published thousands of internal e-mails which helped doom hillary clinton's presidential campaign against donald trump. was even accused of working for russia. if you democratic lawmakers are willing to speak openly about the assigns case. rachel rizzo is
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a democratic party expert for national security. among the very very left leaning democrats the united states and there is a sense of you know free speech and the public's right to know but i also think that. you know the release of highly sensitive information from the people working on the campaign or you know people that were trying to help hillary clinton be elected there was a sense of probably anger and mistrust and wiki leaks and julian assange conspired with a part of our russian intelligence unit to hack the democratic national committee and released e-mails related to the hillary clinton presidential campaign and so today that is what bringing to justice looks like in the united states. during the 2016 presidential campaign donald trump tweeted my love wiki leaks so
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does the u.s. government under president trump still support we can fix. kenneth weinstein as a republican strategist with close ties to leading republicans like former president george w. bush and current vice president mike pence it's clear that wiki leaks has fallen out of favor. he was in the ecuadorian embassy of his own free will you could have been a chicken like snowden and run off to moscow or run off to some other 3rd country in the end he didn't do that he could have gone to cuba could've gone to russia could have done it china god knows where each owes not to and the as to be the price and someday snowden will pay a price well beyond. his time in moscow i think it's very important for our government to show that we have no patience for the kind of.
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sokol whistleblowing activities of craters it's natural that he should be extradited to the united states and have to face a court of law here certainly i think. life without parole strikes me as a fair punishment but again i am neither judge nor jury and i think it's up to the jury to decide and the judge to sentence. the former director of the cia and n.s.a. general michael hayden represents the position of the u.s. intelligence services. we have a biblical phrase chiseled on the wall at cia headquarters you shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free so it's not surprising that the committee wants to wants to hear and so the view of people like me is that he is an enemy of the united states i would hope that if he's ever brought back in front of a committee it would be part of a package that he was bringing being brought back to the united states also to face
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what i think should be criminal charges. since april 11th 2019 hearings have been ongoing at a court in westminster in london isaan supporters are demanding his release. and. the former ecuadorian consul to be done by as has also attended. you know not if you go they've notified julian that the charges against him justify his extradition . and have asked him if you'll oppose it. just about this year and he said yes. but the british are the closest allies of the us when it's a matter of occupying other countries or starting wars. embodied by east is that it's quite unlikely that the authorities will dare to deny the extradition request . on sea got on their sail to get him into the study so.
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julian asuncion is being held in belmarsh prison which some have called britain's guantanamo. jennifer robinson is one of the attorneys who have been defending wiki leaks since 2010. dollars to see if this is a renowned prison in this country. for the high security aspect of it you know say they see where they bring all the terror suspects. well at least now he has access to medical treatment but he circumstances being quite different. because a lot of times the cell line. of these days being in a sale anytime it's been very difficult.
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in sweden the sexual assault charges could be reopened the u.s. has filed 18 charges against a songe including conspiracy hacking and espionage. if convicted he could face a sentence of up to 175 years in prison. but he committed this because he tried to get our classified documents he put them out there in the public people like chelsea manning and edward snowden and julian of songe i mean they are they've gone about things in different ways i mean joining us on provided the platform edward snowden and chelsea manning provided the information for that platform right but i think one of the questions that is the most important here is what was
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a different way to share that information and how can we fix that going forward to ensure that. massive leaks like this don't happen again. should. this isn't a spy his the public. he publishes information that he receives information in the public interest. in the past the distinction between a spy and a publisher has been respected by the. police but now this distinction is becoming blurred. when they say fast. if julian assange just extradited to the united states what will happen to wiki leaks will the organization that has changed the course of recent history be silenced.
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