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don't tell me that he wasn't you. don't tell me that he never showed. you and the joint to come off in the morning blame and. reveal the symphonies of your highness by. the brahms code starts october 11th on t.w. hot enough. 9 am on april 11th 2019 at the ecuadorian embassy in london british police have been granted access to the building to arrest julian a song on ecuadorian territory. if you're.
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the founder of wiki leaks struggled to prevent his diplomatic asylum from coming to an end. at 10 15 in the morning julian assange was removed from the embassy where he had spent 2487 days are. the arrest marked a new chapter in the saga of the wiki leaks founder. who for you is ecuador's minister of foreign affairs who is julian a son should i mean by any for me in the country of ecuador julian assange is an australian citizen who applied for asylum in our embassy in london in 2012 have a quota and all the rest and this asylum lasted for nearly 7 years. a pretty good enough time to leave me free. i thought it. said yes he was famous one of the
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world's big media celebrities someone who is deeply loved or passionately hated depending on your interests and point of view if you know that it was he said to the phone this. morning i'd be concerned though that is in myers around the world misguided that they might be 1st of all them as an enemy of the united states someone who tried to. and successfully released cans of thousands of documents that really harmed our national security he almost undermined the entire operation to get osama bin laden through his leaks. a phony as does the citizen's intelligence at this. minute ok we can easy to wiki leaks and julian assange change the course of history even if he spends the rest of his life in prison he's already made history for this
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reason that. and yet i choose to use. on april 11th 2016 exactly 3 years before a songes arrest 2 ecuadorian security officers seized our i.d.'s and mobile phones and searched our bags. obtaining an interview with a songe took months of negotiations with his closest confidants. to the. first question oh you do if the people of this question fit about the same as any other day. am i angry about the situation of course do you have to pay a price for the things you believe in and of course. love or hate julian assange the documents released by wiki leaks shocked the world. the
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gone tunnel files leaks laid bare the inner workings of the american prison camp and the torture that was carried out there. the collateral murder footage revealed the killing of iraqi civilians in 2 journalists shot down like targets in a video game. the war logs leak of classified military documents about the conflicts in iraq and afghanistan exposed to looting torture and kidnapping other files shed light on 50 years of u.s. diplomatic policy and helped expose bashar al assad and his corrupt regime. wiki leaks also helped engineer the escape of edward snowden the former n.s.a. employee who lifted the veil of secrecy from global u.s. surveillance operations. a world without julian assange on jan wiki leaks that
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would also mean that revelations about u.s. spying on french presidents would never have been made public. when we revealed that the past 3 presidencies had been deeply penetrated by the united states and the president's person is part of what should have been the crypt response to tejas seat of the french intelligence services it should have come immediately to us and say do you have more how we failed. to protect the president from us farm. that didn't happen so why didn't that happen well i don't believe the french intelligence services are idiots i think. that's the 1st thing to do. the concern about possibly offending the americans. that concern.
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was so much higher today because to be a victim i didn't understand what was going on. aug 2010 in the swedish capital stockholm julian a son she responded to the ultimatum the pentagon had issued to wiki leaks. one of those demands was that we destroy our archives of classified information relating to the pentagon and the 3rd demand was that we stop dealing with us. if we did not follow those demands then we would. a few days later a son a man who many applauded as an icon of transparency stood accused of sexual assault . thomas crown scholar is a journalist at the swedish newspaper xpress and he covered the assigned case as it was happening. julian
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a source was visiting sweden he met these 2 women 2 different locations and eventually very accused him of rape and sexual assault the case made international headlines songes attorney in britain later stated that 2 swedish prosecutors told him the case did not involve great but sex by surprise. laws on sexual assault moved to the center of the accusations. i think the case was shelved and then rolled out again indicating that there's presumably a crisis bit more behind it that he simply splendid french law this would not have been right. the 2 women agreed that they had on separate occasions in gauged in consensual sex with a songe but they accused him of failing to use a condom as they had asked. they filed
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a complaint and suddenly found themselves in the global spotlight. the swedish investigation against julius sanch was beset by controversy. so express a real be one of the investigators knew one of the women who accused julian assange . very hard written to each other on face book before this all happened they had also been involved in the same political party and this came off to julian assange and so his legal team had criticized the prosecutors and the police pulled. to solve the case they should have completed the investigation. the witnesses should have been heard and the text messages between him and the women submitted in order to establish the facts of the case that in the bunch of addiction. appeared
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before the authorities but said he had to go abroad because of certain obligations he did what he had the right to do he is. a songe left sweden and headed for london after 2 years of legal wrangling the british courts ruled that the swedish extradition request was legitimate and activated the warrant for his arrest. and a stanch feared he would be extradited to sweden he fled to the ecuadorian embassy where he was granted political asylum. and even as a german computer hacker and friend of julian assange. he came forward to clarify assan just position with respect to the swedish authorities. after the guns over the years in writing and through his lawyers he repeatedly offered
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sweden that he would permit himself to be extradited for questioning and for the purposes of a hearing in court about the 2 women's accusations of coercion. to go when i was young but he wanted sweden to agree that they would not extradite him to the united states the swedish government wasn't willing to grant this condition. that's why he hasn't been able to respond to the case and the accusations that have been made against him for all these years. before for months until swedish prosecutors have not exhausted the range of international legal means that would have the message questioning in england. on june 19th 2012 julian assange slip through the net of the british intelligence service. the man who opened the door of the ecuadorian embassy was then console not a bias. a seal this is
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the 7 years of asylum in our embassy didn't have anything to do with sweden. from the 1st day our government emphasized that they wouldn't interfere in the swedish investigation julian assange didn't go to sweden because he feared he would be extradited to the u.s. . news that. there was a major investigation of wiki leaks underway. the qaeda demoed see it that's why we concluded that his life rights and freedom were threatened to lose that it was not by the swedes. and but by the americans all but when they missed us in the sense you see no problem with your list also needs. this of the environment around us os became more hostile year after year. when i
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visited him at fez the guards were still offering me coffee that at the end the atmosphere was really tense in the hardly let anyone in to see today and yesterday and. eventually a new government came into power in ecuador april 2nd 2017 lenin moreno was elected president. it's a long winter he says in the study at that moment he hadn't yet suspected that his relations with ecuador would worsen and while only a lunatic will i thought the only country that was protecting him he ended the asylum and turned a songe over to his pursuers but only a single instance to say that this. why did ecuador's new government change course. we went to the capital quito to find out more. lenin moreno held a speech before the national assembly. i want to get it up but
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it was. even more this is subtle none of us know us but most other. now we're. going to show you. what you are. letting go of the past with that also mean closing the lid on the leaked documents known in ecuador as the dean of papers which implicated the president and his family in. money laundering lennon motor a no blame to wiki leaks for the scandal. was there a connection between that leak and julian assange is a rest. the case falls under the purview of ecuador's minister of foreign affairs. he granted us
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an interview. so i mean that but his asylum at the embassy was ended because of his inappropriate behavior and for other reasons as well. as it was that he had interfered in the affairs of other countries attacked the guard and installed unauthorized equipment . he tried to subvert the embassy security system and accused us of spying on him. in short he was accusing us of crimes. that commit the ecuadorian government could not tolerate that and no other country would have tolerated it either. it also means you. can know there were a few isolated incidents that in no way reflected julian's overall behavior. and. they had the goal of ensuring julian no longer felt comfortable there. the
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problem he was deliberately harassed and provoked to elicit incidents that would justify the unjustifiable. and they wanted to end his political asylum and use the pretext of alleged incidents within the embassy and this. then throw the line behind. hillary yeah i mean that's how the can contain the owners vote on this and threaten to push certain buttons if you felt threatened or harassed by ecuador's government . people that place you know all that was a matter of substantial concern but if it was because we wanted to avoid risk we employ diplomatic channels to ask the british police for support or would people if we had to go eat the more they couldn't see on the left. what buttons
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and threats were being referenced here did a songe have any documents he was planning to release ecuador's new government change the company responsible for monitoring a songe in the embassy. before 2017 signs was monitored by u.c. global a private security company with offices in a number of countries. journalist for nanda v i v senseo also investigated the events. it is in may this is the award they present to ecuador's best investigative journalist. last year i received it from my investigation of the case of julian a sandwich. you know suspended moreno terminated q.c. global's contract and hired problem security and ecuadorian security company
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without any intelligence service or public security experience the company came out of nowhere and fulfilled the same tasks as you see global you know it. did all that the new company doesn't answer to former president korea but is working for lenny merinos government than anyone in a. surveillance videos began to appear online. they showed julian a son in the kitchen hallway and in the living room at the embassy. but it is good all of this was how they transmitted to the merino government all the information interrogation protocols and assessments of surveillance that took place everywhere in the embassy you know the motive. why would the ecuadorian government have been trusted an unknown company to monitor a man wanted by the u.s. intelligence services. fundamental in late 2017 problem security
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took over responsibility for security at your embassy or the new staff given new instructions by the sick no i don't think this new contract had anything to do with the security directives in the embassy. of this the other so was the family and i'd like to emphasize that there weren't any cameras installed in mr a song just private quarters the 3 rooms he lived in this in your signs. so who owns the cameras that bilmes julius sons in private. homes could club security have carried out an espionage operation without your knowledge. that settles we don't know if someone installed a 3rd. system independently of this company have this. system. security problem security was just a front they use the name of this company as
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a cover to carry out espionage activities without interference the name of the company doesn't matter at all whether it's pepito neato or problem security hiding behind this name or just the interests of the merino government. is standing dennis is it ain't any hints yet it will be in the morning is to. say the company julian was told that his internet access and his phone service were being terminated effective immediately on the orders of ecuador's government lee embassy isn't to jail but it had been turned into one of the us. after julian assange his arrest ecuadorian authorities seems to some of his personal belongings. they left his clothes but confiscated computers hard drives
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electronic devices and documents. carlos beauvais that is julian assange and his attorney in ecuador. we were denied access to the evidence that was allegedly found in his personal effects i fear and i'll say this directly that they could go as far as fabricating evidence there are no witnesses this so-called evidence could be used to support the other geishas against him by the us. needs. our prosecutors received a request for judicial assistance from the u.s. department of justice to confiscate some of mr a soldier's personal belongings because they could be relevant to the investigation against him. this binocs will these documents be turned over to the
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u.s. . yes absolutely we could do that because the request for judicial assistance requires us to provide copies of these archival documents to the country that filed the request. that night. but one mustn't assume that the documents or other items of evidence from the embassy are necessarily implicate mr a song. cialis by the science. we know that the u.s. has a lot of information about the merino government. and their behavior is reaction to pressure from the u.s. . as it is you on this over the years the united states had indeed grown increasingly frustrated by a songe and wiki leaks. in 2016 he raised the ire of the democratic party. running for president wiki leaks published thousands of internal e-mails which helped doom hillary clinton's presidential campaign against donald trump. was even
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accused of working for russia. few democratic lawmakers are willing to speak openly about the a songe case. rachel rizzo is a democratic party expert for national security. among the very very left leaning democrats the united states and there is a sense of you know free speech and the public's right to know but i also think that. you know the release of highly sensitive information from the people working on the campaign or you know people that were trying to help hillary clinton be elected there was a sense of probably anger and mistrust and wiki leaks and julian assange conspired with a part of our russian intelligence unit to hack the democratic national committee and released e-mails related to the hillary clinton presidential campaign and so
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today that is what bringing to justice looks like in the united states. during the 2016 presidential campaign donald trump tweeted i love wiki leaks so does the u.s. government under president trump still support wiki leaks. kenneth weinstein is a republican strategist with close ties to leading republicans like former president george w. bush and current vice president mike pence it's clear that wiki leaks has fallen out of favor. he was in the ecuadorian embassy of his own free will he could have been a chicken like snowden and run off to moscow or run off to some other 3rd country in the end he didn't do that he could've gone to cuba he could've gone to russia could have done to china god knows where each owes not to and yesterday the price and someday snowden will pay a price well beyond. his time in moscow i think it's very important for our
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government to show that we have no patience for the kind of. sokol whistleblowing activities of traders it's natural that he should be extradited to the united states to have to face a court of law here certainly i think. life without parole strikes me as a fair punishment but again i am neither judge nor jury and i think it's up to the jury to decide and the judge to sentence. the former director of the cia and n.s.a. general michael hayden represents the position of the u.s. intelligence services. we have a biblical phrase choose it on the wall at cia headquarters you shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free so it's not surprising that the committee wants to wants to hear it and so the view of people like me is that he is an enemy
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of the united states i would hope that if he's ever brought back in front of a committee it would be part of a package that he was bringing being brought back to the united states also to face what i think should be criminal charges. since april 11th 2019 hearings have been ongoing at a court in westminster in london isaan supporters are demanding his release. and. the former ecuadorian consul baez has also attended. to you know if you go be notified julian that the charges against him justifies extradition. and ask him if you the pows it will know just about this year and he said yes. but the british are the closest allies of the us when it's a matter of occupying other countries or starting wars. embodied by east is it's
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quite unlikely that the authorities will dare to deny the extradition request. to getting into the. julian assange is being held in belmarsh prison which some have called britain's guantanamo. and jennifer robinson is one of the attorneys who have been defending wiki leaks since 2010. this is is a renowned prison in this country for. the high security aspect of it i'm not saying there is where they bring all the other terrorist incidents. well at least now he has access to medical treatment but he's circumstance of being quite different.
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he has a lot of time in a cell alone. 6 days in a sale and he's right it's been very difficult. in sweden the sexual assault charges could be reopened. the u.s. has filed 18 charges against a stanch including conspiracy hacking and espionage. if convicted he could face a sentence of up to 175 years in prison. if he committed this because he tried to get our classified documents he put them out there in the public people like kathy manning and edward snowden and julian assigned i mean they are they've gone about things in different ways i mean join assigned provided the platform edward snowden and chelsea manning provided the
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information for that afghan right but i think one of the questions that is the most important here is what. was a different way to share that information and how can we fix that going forward to ensure that. massive leaks like this don't happen again. should them assault me to mean this isn't a spy his a publisher he publishes information that he receives information in the public interest it is all from i think you saw in the past the distinction between a spy and a publisher has been respected. at the phone someplace people but now this distinction is becoming blurred. one day fast if julian assange just extradited to the united states what will happen to wiki leaks will the organization that has changed the course of recent history be silenced.
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