this is not the kind of freedom that we. how did we become. an exclusive from a destroyed city. starts october 24th w. living probably in the ninety's. people with the afghan government if they want to reach peace with i mean how long can continue i think if there is only one the one that is the one that's right not only is there seemingly i mean if you think war in afghanistan there's also extremely bad blood between the government and the americans who are supposed to be on the same side our guest this week is not the show afghanistan's ambassador to switzerland to the united nations in geneva giving

his government's relations with washington. and who's to blame. the show welcome to conflicts on another than a stranger to conference in but you're welcome you've had presidential elections again once again been allegations of widespread fraud who can have confidence in the results of these elections when the when the results come. yes you know we had an election despite. intimidations despite all of the threats. and also a lot of naysayers so i'm talking about forward. just you know coming to this but having. the situation in afghanistan shows that dissolve the afghan people to decide their fate democratically but the question wolf. you know any reality is in

the elections which has been in the past also in afghanistan unfortunately so far the reports that i have received this that that it has been a much a much better election than before so who accept there is a reason we have seen who says that all if you look at the all the independent observers of this election they are telling us giving you know the new regulation the mechanisms by a metric devices this election has been. working in many places so i'm guessing when they were working they weren't followed they wouldn't do that because that's then technical technical issues to be it is not just a technical issue it's reluctance of people to use them so it is just a learning learning process but but coming to the results of the election they both can demene all the candidates but including the board for the frontrunners been very categorically clear that they will accept it is out of this election announced by the independent election commission of the various choices wouldn't it that

would make a change of the accepted the results because of that there was a lot of negotiation that had to take place in 2014 which was also mobbed by massive fraud as were last year's parliamentary elections as well so you don't you don't have a good record here the system is completely broke this is it you see it as i see it in a salon and process my he or the sticks and the other sticks of money observers in afghanistan should be that or we doing better than the past or it's getting worse so i will say this election is much better than the previous election i mean look at look it's gonna snow of the last month we had the former heads of the election commission and the electoral complaints commission both jailed for fraud along with 8 members of their staff how many other people are involved in fraud right up and of the country how many you see that also again show the result of this state that the election fraud will not will not. easy with that so i think that's part of

building a strong institutions but if you look at the case officers certainly this was only the tip of the iceberg this is the tip of the of your address in the purpose of it and then we'll get to the bottom of it to the new york times reported that in case the district in the province one of the elders told them the local strongmen had been stuffing the ballot boxes they sat together and each filled the boxes for their guy they said we can't leave these boxes empty we said but what about the biometric verification they said who's going to love it's that kind of attitude is that a scene in a spin multiplied many many times the country many times you see term you know in afghanistan now it's 16 years that we are doing collection and so as they learn this 160 years we're in over there we have this interview and i asked the swiss that you know how they meaning the estate to be honest you see it depends on you know how you build institutions and you build the trust with them that is to sions

the case that you have mentioned of course is a report when you are terms i don't have the verification of it but even if that is accurate it shows that you know people today is still trust institutions and who can make institutions trustable is the central state in government in kabul and that's why you know they put this commission hours into the trial we introduced the most advanced system of. you know elections which to just which people are using. another district no less a person than the speaker of the senate and the county loyalist issued a direct threat to the chief of the election commission on television after she said only the biometrically check votes would be counted his response on television was we will force even her daddy to count the non biometric votes great to see how powerful people are just tearing up the rules and making room as they go along with our full. yes and no interest in the bonus heroes but subsequently he apologized

and he apologized to the head of the election commission and again it shows a change in a country like afghanistan where a poor 4 person like the president of the senate apologizes to a woman who is the head of the election commission of afghanistan i think that shows a change of attitude i'm not saying that in this perfect we're moving. as progress through i do you know as a person who lives in afghanistan and i've seen you know your fracturing of straw's own too. you see when you're in our situation you do that you're presidents of the election was needed to give the new president a powerful mandate but there is no powerful mandate to be had in afghanistan certainly not by elections fact is the power real power in your country is not through democratic means but by a few doing fractious collection of strong men warlords corrupt officials and they

don't have much use for democracy do that wasn't the case in the europe in the past i mean how was there a centuries do you want to go about living in 2019 i think that's the difference between europe and our country so we are moving in that direction and not proud of murder torture forced disappearances intimidation this kind of thing goes on in your country and you compare it to europe not more of course of course not what i'm saying is that look you know by the time that europe progress than this path there was no comfort zone or hot talk or somebody to make them you know accountable so they're moving on their own piece but what we do is we don't want to move on that base we not have the time but we need you know the perseverance we need the assistance we need you know the good models and modalities and technology to help this country move along this maybe quicker faster but it might not happen in 16 years this is some ways you back with them you take the media which blossomed for a while after the taliban were overthrown 100 media outlets have been forced to

close as human rights put it the rights watch put it threats and abuse by government officials warlords and security forces together with devastating attacks by groups tied to the islamic state the taliban or other insurgents all this forced more than $100.00 media outlets to close what do enormous step backwards and so it basically is is it is that systematic is the government policy that you know we're clamping down on media no you know it's not clamping down on the warlords either. the we do believe we are in a fight we are in a war we are clamping down on the international terrorists which is the enemy of all of the world but at the same time we are trying to reform our institution where we can reduce the power of the strong people the people that you have in power president gandhi abdullah abdullah the chief executive what have they done they've they've completely set up a structure which is beset by divisions internal disagreements discord.

crisis group said political partisanship has permeated every level of the security apparatus undermining the command structures of the afghan national defense and security forces so far from unifying the country these 2 figures have actually divided it even further for the benefit of their personal ambitions you see depends on which angle you're looking at that probably the reality prices group are looking at the from the may have very sort of perfectionist angle yes you know we we have experience of the companies who actually got a government of national unity to doing the opposite just give me an example of other national unity government which has shown or completed their terms the state us not think about what about games forever we're looking at afghanistan and i'm seeing that about half but then you have to put the prospect of we had libya you know going for this kind of election a divisive election was there we have 2 governments there we are syria which as you know you don't suppose most of the. talking about afghanistan you know talking in

afghanistan in isolation will not help because you have to look at there to see how we are looking at this situation we are looking at situation in afghanistan that is this tense an institution where you have to reflect thing attention from what's going on in your country but it doesn't help to look at syria what i'm saying is you're not responsible for syria but crisis group also have a yardstick which is you know the half they have you know measures that look at this government this country is betting that better doing better than the other country so that's why i'm campaigning at the s.l. a national unity government how this from problems there are 2 rival teams with the 2 differ in the no way of thinking about governance one i was a little bit more decentralized that i was the centralized government they came together actually to keep the state together and prevent the completest you know exist together when you're having shooter between government forces and warlords who are supposed to be on the same side. but understand them you know you're fighting an insurgency here the even if there was an insurgency used to be

a war with your own people as i said that depends on the real or and all these guys fighting the taliban you still have your shootouts with your own people. i mean. in a situation like afghanistan you know what do you expect you know what we say that you know the americans will say that you know we truly are men walk you know we fight terrorist off money the money. the versions we have the eyes is there we have the taliban you know the economy at work but the same time also we have people who want to keep the government weak so you know we are going to this freak isn't it but the government is weak so it's and it fails and take measures against prominent people who they could make an example of let's take the case of the former governor of punishing a province kerry mood inquiry and the arrest warrant was issued for him in the summer after multiple allegations that he sexually assaulted women when he was

president of the country's football federation why hasn't he been arrested and formally charged so if you will is charged 70 years to be this is god's way as if you know he's going to be moved from this position is kissers now in the attorney general's office probably he's not in the country and it into how many cases where even international community has not helped us this is a gesture from human rights watch is that he continues to wield considerable influence among the police and other politicians and that's why he got that's why i don't think so you haven't done the rest in that if you asked him you could have seized his property couldn't you i think the attorney general's case i don't have that details but i can assure you that no he does not do we learn he any power right now in cup the americans have criticized you in action in the strongest possible terms the ambassador john boehner said in june we call on the government of afghanistan to complete its investigation and ensure justice is served.

support of that investigation to the 10 part of that investigation we send even a team here to to meet fifa they went to germany a vigorous violence of this gentleman that's really using a $1000000.00 but you know putting they took action yes the you have a key is it's can not it's not like you know you. know you have to collect ever then it has to be strong because it's an international case right now there are international lawyers in this we cannot you know have an up or objets in this case where later on some other courts will come against that so we think all the in or the diligence we send delegations of our attorneys in this country used to in the simplicity of issue an arrest warrant you've issued an arrest warrant not pick him up this is all the americans will say is that you sell even example you know how long it'll take for the support of mr pitt the visa for this restaurant countries you've been trying to discern talk about this football and the other talking this is a matter of the cold taking a risk simply on the scale less than who you're leaving on talking about the same case because partly what is clear is the problem with the rule of law or don't you

a real problem exercising the rule of law you see yes you know we have a problem with the rule of law but but the exercise of rule of law requires a strong state and that is what we have to build you also have a big problem with torture and that is perhaps the worst aspect of your government's failure of the human rights front as in the torture by your security services and their affiliates time and again western agencies have reported the appalling treatment inflicted by your officials and local prisoners why do you so consistently fail to crack down on these disgraceful can you can you give me stuff 6 on this because what has as far as i am here in the past 6 months in our records on this because we have recently joined the optional protocol of cat which is a convention against torture reso which are laws even the cases to be taken to a new course and it allows for the investigators to get into even our prisons i think that is. the most open part of this convention and the unanimous report i

believe you know what i'm saying about your numbers latest report which is over to the poor say that there is a reduction there a substantial reduction in the cases of this especially in oil and areas which was in the north and in the place you still have a 3rd of conflict related detainees alleging serious abuse including severe beatings electric shocks near suffocation and suspension from the ceiling for long periods and that's from your mama's latest report so what does all this say what does it say about you that you get these practices continue year after year after year when they're flagged up year after year what i'm saying is at the end of the we do we didn't we do look a lot of people in the charge for the future look look at those the status ticks of your number which will tell you there is $27.00 person the reduction in the cases which is alleged torture and. yes it can the including and can the latest report called the numbers in tortured in kandahar staggering staggering it said this in

facilities under the control of the main intelligence agency group the national directorate of security do you do you get this you government actually control this agency of course we do film i do allow this question is staggering levels of torture in the latest you norma report when you see you know the the question should not the problem is that we have a law and it's not like as the governor of oregon it's a stop bill doing everything possible chemical was flagged up as a major torture center every year for at least 8 years what did you do with the reports but how to be a boon about how is the progress you just go deep into the reported else's dagger into between getting something we understand the semantics you know the way you put this word but the discussion i had here with you know my human race people in this office they told me that there is a substantial improvement in this case especially in kandahar dispute with the commander of police of kandahar. and there showed them of every possible

cooperation who's been overseers here's the test who's been held to account as for accountability we've only seen minor disciplinary sanctions in the very few cases that were investigated and no compensation for victims despite a legal requirement in your country to provide that why why why nobody held accountable why no compensation there are they are held accountable maybe a mention in the case of pastor number of reports they have been people from the in the years and come the hope from the police department is so i can give you the status of course they want to swear that they continue to torture the wives i think it's still using and if you look off scot free that's the fact that you're not the family isn't always who we are we have the most open and voluntary polygynous. of the united nations make an ism so of human rights you know the protocols the optional protocols the conventions and the treaty bodies so it's like you know i've done this than have pledged to look we have

a very open and transparent system of human rights yes there might be you know it's not our commitment of money or maybe you know there might be capacity problems there might be problems which is you know the the local somewhere a local police escort you know contacting me with this some of this crimes but it's not lack of it's happenings in the middle and then again intelligence directorate we're not talking about local police just a few days ago you tweeted that the afghan government is fighting a complex unconventional asymmetrical war with enemies that don't adhere to international humanitarian law you admitted to point your government doesn't adhere to international humanitarian law the world not in country has said recommit to every better off each other while our enemy you may not commit to it on paper but getting to your prisons you won't see much of international humanitarian law not that i mean you can ask you can ask human rights. since you can ask you number one

see in a how they compare with descending into we've just been into some of these of your supposed to be the good side of course we are in this course we are and your abusing torturing murdering speeling disappearing people and the international community must be the us has lost some 2500 soldiers to protect a government that allows this to go on through the real us 150000 soldiers and the sad part is the rest you can put in the brother prospect i'm just why why the war is happening there i mean you're coming to to to to the details so we had a you know it can divvy it public opinion so if you look at from the larger perspective why united states and afghanistan why we are fighting whom we are fighting with i mean we are fighting with an enemy which wanted to use each and every possible means to inflict pain on the civilians i mean the last casualties of $100.00 ordinary people in a wedding hall and what justified that. the nationalist trying to justify any of

the vile i'm trying to justify the things which the americans particularly have pointed out like corruption where they claim you are not doing enough and it doesn't help that your president's national security advisor some of the more hape picked a fight with the us in march accusing their peace negotiator the. acting out of personal ambition and seeking to become viceroy in a caretaker government was not really such a good idea because fight with america you see the fighting for you know that the thing is that we're not fighting within a state i mean that's very well understand the question is the really great if you have a suppressed develop p.c. or a breakdown in relations they've rescinded a 160000000 dollars because they don't think you're a partner who's fighting corruption $160000000.00 they've taken back no they're not taking back their with hauled this from some of the projects exactly that and that's again that's a very technical thing but senator. your government being unable to manage

transparently us government resources and incapable of being a part of the that's a pretty stinging rebuke isn't it you see the real together there is a framework of mutual accountability and the government of afghanistan is ready and this open if there are problems there's a shift problems of the progress that's a shift progress but coming to the relationship of the united states the question is there is a peace process and we all understand that the peace process has at least 2 sites and one side is the state and the government of afghanistan so we are saying that without this threat of a government of afghanistan any peace process which will go in a one sided is doomed to failure feel excluded your excluded not willing to go shooting because your head because right because you said in a recession has 2 parts one is the taliban will sit down with the taliban or the other person with you have to sit where you have gotten saying they have to but they've said the world thing is real we are live reality on the ground taliban are living probably in the ninety's i mean this is

a different thing the after said afghan people they have to submit the afghan government if they want to reach peace with this you're not capable of negotiating peace deals with strong men all the ones let alone the taliban are you know the story of election. so we have a special sauce anything over it well. last month both the u.s. and the taliban appeared close to an agreement and then trump called off a meeting. at camp david. you don't want those talks to succeed to you they've started again in sweden as the new talks to do is definitely want that to succeed because you know one thing we all understand that we're all sick and tired of war i mean this war is 18 years but i myself i appear to my eyes the generation of what i was 1979 just before that so with and with afghanistan i mean how long more disk and continue we all want peace but peace has to be sustainable peace it's not sustainable until unless all the stakeholders or not coming together

and agreeing on a common vision for future of afghanistan policy one cannot force their way in through kabul 'd and cannot have the. new rule of the past the also understand i mean i've been involved in some of this peace process negotiation in most areas outside of our own light to know you you saved it shows no sign of the changing whatsoever coming they have to change in peace you know you can you say they have to have to yes because those who are that they will have seen change as far as they're concerned they don't have to at least at least in the level of the trick they did discussions that we have we have seen that there is an understanding for the taliban that they cannot have it all the way they wanted to a certain person to 'd some point if this war is to end you will have to enter a power sharing agreement with the term the berne do except you see how do you call it the power grid in elsie that you know the taliban can be part of this state in

the students but will it be to a power sharing will it be to an election will be to iran the other mechanism i think that's open for. part of the governing elite as. if it is if it is as a part of as an agreement a sport often in africa and they were stationed yes the same telegram continues killing your people you civilians blowing up your most valuable religious cultural sites. taliban the parties punished women by whipping them and refusing to let them go to school or work with the men you really think that strange and i mean if they agree with a common vision official of afghanistan which is a base or do it is simply a well it's an islamic diversion you say we already have an islamic government and you differ very much because of what that actually means don't you see it resides a very far apart and your station is their house they are in or the other state the

position we have are on the state of position but but to be in the us diplomat to be expected we believe that there is a soon of agreement where the 2 sides will come to a consensus and that consensus will not be something that the definitely want and that will not be something that everything that we want so that's that's why the definition of a negotiation this if we do each into a negotiated agreement with the taliban where it will be over arching gains that we hope that the event terms of human rights in terms of in a constitution isn't a government failed to call them but they would roll them back then they've had 4000000 girls in school then then there goes the school of course that's not something they're going to compromise who couldn't have gone to school i mean with all the rides one of the writers that i'd like i think of there is only 100 light and that is the woman's right the woman has their eyes do that again adem stuff there for 4 of them past 18 years even in the past and this is not something that new that i am nor there you are international community should compromise and i

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