and. the 1st words of the german national. anthem 3 central values that the foundation of this country. have these values developed to try. to live by and defend the principles of justice and freedom and i work every day in my life. our journey. starts october 21st w. living probably in the ninety's and the after people have to submit the afghan government if they want to reach peace with this i mean how long before this continues i think if there is only 100 line and that is the woman's right not only is there a seemingly war in afghanistan there's also extremely bad blood between the afghan government and the americans who are supposed to be on the same side i guess this

week is not the show afghanistan's ambassador to switzerland to be a knighthood nations in geneva obviously his government's relations with washington 6 so. who's to blame. a welcome to conflicts on the snow than a stranger to call for action but you're welcome you've had presidential elections again once again been allegations of widespread fraud who can have confidence in the results of these elections when they when the results come. yes you know we had an election despite intimidations despite all of the threats. and also a lot of naysayers so i'm talking about forward. just you know coming to this but

having an election and the situation in afghanistan shows the dissolve of the afghan people to decide their fate democratically but the question often really realities in the elections which has been in the past also in afghanistan unfortunately so for the reports that i have received this that that it has been a much a much better election than before so who accepts there is a reason we have seen who says that all if you look at the all the independent observers of this election they are telling us giving you know the new regulation the mechanisms by a matric devices this election has been working in many places so and that and when they were working they weren't followed through and you bastards that's then technical technical issues to be to it's not just a technical issue it's reluctance of people to use them so it is just a learning learning process but but coming to the results of the election they both can demi not all the candidates but including the board for the frontrunners been

very categorically clear that they will accept it is out of this election announced by the independent election commission of a very good wouldn't it that would make a change of the accepted the results because of that there was a lot of negotiation that had to take place in 2014 which was also mobbed by massive fraud as were last year's parliamentary elections as well so you don't you don't have a good record here the system is completely from this it you see it as i say they know this is a learning process my the are the stakes and they are the stakes of many observers in afghanistan should be that or we doing better than the past or it's getting worse so i will say this election is much better than the previous election i mean look at look it was the consciousness of ambassador last month we had the former heads of the election commission and the electoral complaints commission both jailed for fraud along with 8 members of their staff how many other people are. of

to and for right up and country how many you see that also again show the result of this state that the election fraud will not will not go easy with it so i think that's part of building a strong institutions but if you look at the case of this isn't it this was only the tip of the iceberg this is the tip of your other thing the purpose of it and then you will get to the bottom of it to the new york times reported that in case a district in the province one of the elders told them the local strongmen had been stuffing the ballot boxes they sat together and each filled the boxes for their guy they said we can't leave these boxes empty we said but what about the biometric verification they said who's going to love it's that kind of attitude is the scene doubtless been multiplied many many times the country many times you see termini in afghanistan now it's 16 years that we are doing collections so as they learn this 160 years where you know where we have this interview and i asked the swiss that

they know how the meaning of this is take to be honest it depends on you know how you build institutions and you build the trust with them that is to sions the case that you have mentioned of course is a report when you have terms i don't have the verification of it but even if that is accurate it shows that you know people today still trust institutions and who can make trustable is the central listed in the government in kabul and that's why you know they put those those commissioners into the trial we introduced the most advanced system of. you know elections which produced which people are using. another district in longer no less a person than the speaker of the senate and the county loyalist issued a direct threat to the chief of the election commission on television after she said only the biometrically check the votes would be counted his response on television was we will force even heard. daddy to count the non biometric votes

great to see how powerful people are just tearing up the rules and making them as they go along with our full person like yourself no interest in the bonus heroes but subsequently the apologized and he apologized to the head of the election commission and again it shows a change in a country like afghanistan where a poll for person like the president of the senate apologizes to a woman who is the head of the election commission of afghanistan i think that shows a change of attitude i'm not saying that the us perfect we're moving military as progress i do you know as a person who lives in afghanistan and i've seen you know your fracturing of straws own too. you see when your analysis rishon you do that you're presidents of the election was needed to give the new president a powerful mandate but there is no powerful mandate to be had in afghanistan certainly not by elections fact is the power real power in your country is not

through democratic means but by a few doing fractious collection of strong men warlords corrupt officials and they don't have much use for democracy do that wasn't the case in the europe in the past i mean how was there a centuries do you want to go about living in 2019 i think that's the difference between europe and our country so we are moving in that direction and not proud of murder torture forced disappearances intimidation this kind of thing that goes on in your country and you compare it to europe not not my of course of course not what i'm saying is that look you know by the time that you will progress then this path there was no will come for example or heart talk or somebody to make them in accountable so they are moving on their own piece but what we do is we don't want to move on that peace we not have the time but we need you know the perseverance we need the assistance we need you know the good models and modalities and technology to help this country move along this maybe quicker faster but it might not happen

in and 16 years this summer is you moving backwards for them you take the media which blossomed for a while after the taliban were overthrown 100 media outlets have been forced to close as human rights put it he writes which put it threats and abuse by government officials warlords and security forces together with devastating attacks by groups tied to the islamic state the taliban or other insurgents all this have forced more than $100.00 media outlets to close what do enormous step backwards and so it basically is is it is that systematic is the government policy that you know we are clamping down on media no you know it's not clamping down on the warlords either. the we do believe we are in a fight we are in a war we are clamping down on the international terrorists which is the enemy of all of the world but at the same time we are trying to reform our institution where we can reduce the power of the strong people the people that you have in power president gandhi abdullah the chief executive what have they done they've

completely set up a structure which is beset by divisions internal disagreements discord. crisis group said political partisanship has permeated every level of the security apparatus undermining the command structures of the afghan national defense and security forces so far from unifying the country these 2 figures have actually divided it even further for the benefit of their personal ambitions you see depends on which angle you're looking at that probably is a good reality to know prices group are looking at the from the mayor very sort of perfectionist angle yes you know we we have experience of the country's national government a government of national unity doing the opposite just give me an example of other national unity government which has you know completed their terms the status now think about what about games forever we're looking at afghanistan and i'm seeing that about half but then you have to put the prospect that we had libya you know

going for this kind of election a divisive election was there we have 2 governments there we have syria which is in a sort of video syria not talking about afghanistan you know picking talking in afghanistan in isolation will not help because you have to look at there to see how we are looking at the situation we're looking at situation in afghanistan that is that synaesthesia where you have to reflect thing attention from what's going on in your country but it doesn't help to look at syria what i'm saying is you're responsible for syria but crisis group also have a yardstick which is you know the half they have you know measures that look at this government this country is betting that better doing better than the other country so that's why i'm complaining that yes our national unity government has a strong problems there are 2 rival teams with the 2 differ in the no way of thinking about governance one i was a little bit more decentralized that i was the centralized government they came together actually to keep the state together and prevent the complete series of us

together when you having shooter between government forces and warlords who are supposed to be on the same side. but at the same time you know you're fighting an insurgency here the even if there wasn't insurgency used to be a war with your own people. as i said that depends on the real or an obvious fighting the taliban you still have your shootouts with your own people. i mean. in a situation like afghanistan you know what do you expect you know what we say that you know the americans will say that you know we truly are men walk you know we fight terrorist off money the money. divisions we have to isis there we have taliban you know the economy at work but the since then also we have people who want to keep the government in week so you know we already go under this freak isn't it their families week so it's and it fails and take measures against prominent people who they could make an example of let's take the case of the former governor of punjab province carol moving karim and the arrest warrant was

issued for him in the summer after multiple allegations that he sexually assaulted women when he was president of the country's football federation why hasn't he been arrested and formally charged so he was is charged week 7 he is the big 00000 why hasn't he been arrested in move from his position as cases now in the attorney general's office probably he's not in the country and it incited me how many cases where even international community has not helped us the suggestion from human rights watch is that he continues to wield considerable influence among the police and other politicians and that's why he got that's why i don't think he has done the rest into it if you asked him you could have seized his property couldn't you i think the attorney general's case i don't have that details but i can assure you that no he does not do we learn here right now in cup the americans have criticized you in action in the strongest possible terms the ambassador john best said in june

we call on the government of afghanistan to complete its investigation and ensure justice is served. support of that investigation into the 10 part of that investigation we send even a team here to to meet fifa they went to germany the difference is violence of this gentleman that's really using a $1000000.00 but you know putting they took action yes the you have a key is it's can not it's not like you know you can collect you know you have to collect ever then it has to be strong because it's an international case right now the international lawyers in this we cannot you know have an up or objects in this case where later on some other courts will come against that so we take all the in or the diligence we send the legations of our attorneys in this country in this interest to do that because they've issued an arrest warrant you've issued an arrest warrant not pick him up so the americans will say you see you sell even example you know how long you'll pick for the sport of mr pitt a visa for this western countries you've been trying to discern talk about this

football and the other talking this is a matter of the cult taking a resume less than who you are even on talking about the same case because part you're just curious problem with the rule of law or don't you a real problem exercising the rule of law you see yes you know we have problem with the rule of law but but the exercise of rule of law requires and strong state and that's what we have to build you also have a big problem with torture and that is perhaps the worst aspect of your government's failure of the human rights front in the torture by your security services and their affiliates time and again western agencies have reported the appalling treatment inflicted by your officials and local prisoners why do you so consistently fail to crack these disgraceful can you can you give me 6 on this because what as as far as i am here in the past 6 months in our records on this because we have recently joined the optional protocol of cat which is a convention against torture also which a laws even the cases to be taken to

a new course and it allows for the investigators to get into even our prisons i think that is. the most open part of this convention and the you know most of the poor that maybe you know what i'm saying about your numbers latest report which is i want it to the poor say that there is a reduction there a substantial reduction in the cases of the specially in oil and areas which was in the know in india but you still have a 3rd of conflict related detainees alleging serious abuse including severe beatings electric shocks near suffocation and suspension from the ceiling for long periods and that's from your numbers latest report so what does all this say what does it say about you that you get these practices continue year after year after year when they flagged up year after year you know what i'm saying is that the end of the we do we do need to look a lot of people in the charge for the future to look at those the status ticks of your number which will tell you there is 27 person that addiction in the case of

which is alleged torture another encounter yes it can the including in can the latest report called the numbers and tortured encounter staggering staggering it said this in facilities under the control of the main intelligence agency group a national directorate of security do you do you get this you government actually control this agency of course you do allow this tortuous staggering levels of torture in the latest you norma report went usual at the school the question should not be put like this that we are a lawyer at this is the governor is a stop bill doing everything possible kandahar was flagged up as a major torture center every year for at least 8 years what did you do with the reports but how did a boon on about how was the progress you just good deep into the deported. to begin getting something we understand the semantics you know the way you put this word but the discussion i had here with you know my human rights people in this office

they told me that there is a substantial improvement then this case especially in kandahar this spoke with the commander of police of kandahar. and they assured them of every possible cooperation who's been overseers here's the test who's been held to account as for accountability we've only seen mine at disciplinary sanctions in the very few cases that were investigated and no compensation for victims despite a legal requirement in your country to provide that why why why nobody held accountable why no compensation there are they are held accountable many i'm enjoying the case of pastor number of reports there have been people from the indias and come the hope from the numbers that part of the militia so i can give you the status of a serious one and they continue to torture the lives i think it's still using and if you look off scot free that's the fact that you're not going to see in the research here we already have the most open and voluntary polygynous. of the united nation make an ism so of human rights you know the protocols the optional

protocols the conventions and the treaty bodies so it's like you know i've done this to have pledged that look we have a very open and transparent system of human rights yes there might be you know it's not our commitment of money or maybe you know there might be capacity problems there might be problems which is you know the local somewhere or a local police has caught you know contacting me with this some of this crimes but it's not lack of it's happening to me all and then in television direction we're not talking about local police just a few days ago you tweeted that the afghan government is fighting a complex unconventional asymmetrical war with enemies that don't adhere to international humanitarian law you admitted to point your government doesn't adhere to international humanitarian law either one not in country has said recommit to every bit of child while our enemy you may not commit to it on paper but getting to

your prisons you won't see much of international humanitarian law not at all i mean you can ask you can ask human rights. as you can i ask you number one see you know how they compare with descending into we've just been in the sun because of your supposed to be the good side of course we are in this of course we are and your abusing torturing murdering stealing disappearing people and the international community must be the us has lost some 2500 soldiers to protect a government that allows this to go on you don't know it right realize 150000 soldiers and the so there are you see. you can put in the brother prospect i'm just why why the war is happening there i mean you're coming to true to the details where you know it can deviate public opinion so if you look at from the larger perspective why united states and afghanistan why we are fighting whom we are fighting with and we are fighting with an enemy which wanted to use each and every possible means to inflict pain on the civilians i mean the last casualties of 100

ordinary people in the within hot and what can justify that guys like a knuckler trying to justify any of the vile i'm trying to justify the things which the americans particularly have pointed out like corruption where they claim you are not doing enough and it doesn't help that your president's national security advisor come a dollar more hape picked a fight with the us in march accusing their peace negotiator the. acting out of personal ambition and seeking to become viceroy in a caretaker government was not really such a good idea because fight with america you see the fighting for you know that the thing is that we're not we're not fighting within a state i mean that's very well understand the question is there a do you have a separate develop e.c.m. a breakdown in relations they've rescinded a $160000000.00 because they don't think you are a partner who's fighting corruption $160000000.00 they've taken back no they're not

taken back there with the hall deaths from some of the projects exactly that and that's again that's a very technical thing but senator. i've stated my problem here accused your government of being unable to manage transparently u.s. government resources and incapable of being a partner that's a pretty stinging rebuke isn't it you see there we are together there is a framework of mutual accountability and the government of afghanistan is ready and it's open if there are problems those will shift problems of their progress that's a shift progress but coming to the relationship of the united states the question is there is a peace process and we all understand that the peace process has at least 2 sites and one side there is the state and the government of afghanistan so we are saying that without this threat of a government of afghanistan and the peace process which will go in a one sided is doomed to failure feel excluded your excluded from the road and you go shooting with your head because right because you see the negotiation has 2 parts one is the taliban one set down with the taliban or the other person with you

have to sit where you have government saying they have to but they've said the world thing is real we are live reality on the ground taliban are living probably in the ninety's system i mean this is a different thing the after said afghan people they have to submit the afghan government if they want to reach peace with this you're not capable of negotiating peace deals with strong men warlords little lone the taliban are you know destroying the election. so we have as if that solves anything oh it well. last month both the u.s. and the taliban appeared close to an agreement and then trump called off a meeting at camp david. you don't want those talks to succeed do you know they've started again in sweden the new talks have been doing is the family want that to succeed because you know one thing we all understand that we're all sick and tired of war i mean this war is 18 years but i myself i appeared to my eyes the generation of what i was 1979 just before the so with and with afghanistan

i mean how long more discontinue we all want peace but peace has to be sustainable peace it's not sustainable and the landless all the stakeholders or not coming together and agreeing on a common vision for future of afghanistan part of one cannot force their way in kabul 'd and cannot you know have the. illusion and the new rule of the past the also understand i mean i've been involved in some of this peace process negotiation in most areas outside of oh like to know where you you saved it shows no sign that they're changing words or coming they have to change in peace you know you can you say they have to yes have to yes because those who are they will have seen change as far as they're concerned they don't have to do at least at least in the level of the rhetoric the discussions that we have we have seen that there is an understanding for the taliban that they cannot have it all the way they wanted. to certain some point if this war is to end you will have to enter

a power sharing agreement with the term the brand do except you see how do you call it a power sharing l c that you know the taliban can be part of the state in the students but will it be to a power sharing will it be to an election will be to iran the other mechanism i think that's open for very negotiations and part of the governing elite as. if it is if it is as a part of as an agreement a sport often in the afghan negotiation yes the same telegram continues killing your people you civilians blowing up your most valuable religious cultural sites. taliban the pows punished women by whipping them and refusing to let them go to school or work with the men you really think that strange thing i mean if they agree with a common vision official of afghanistan which is a base or do their city it was and is a lonely diversion you say we already have an islamic government and you differ

very much on what that actually means don't you see it resides a very far apart and your station is their house they are in or the other state the position we have are on a stated position but but to be in the us diplomat to be expected we believe that there is a soon of agreement where the 2 sides will come to a consensus and that consensus will not be something that the definitely want and that will not be something that everything that we want so that's that's what the definition of a negotiation is if we do each into a negotiated agreement with the taliban where it will get over arching gains that we hope that the event terms of human rights in terms of in a constitution is a government for the role of the buck they would roll them back then then you voted for me and the girls in school then then there goes on a school of course that's not something they're going to compromise who couldn't couldn't go through all i mean all the rights are in china one of the rights is that i'd like i think if there is only 100 light and that is the woman's right the

woman has their eyes dead again at themselves there for 4 of them past 18 years even in the past and this is not something that new that i am nor there you or international community should compromise a mass of them thank you very much for political. office.

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