these values do go up to. use it to live by and defend the principles of justice and freedom in our work every day. our. starts october 21st w. living probably in the ninety's the after said people deficit but the afghan government if they want to reach peace with this i mean how long before this can continue i think if there is only one the one that is the woman's right not only is there a seemingly i mean big war in afghanistan there's also extremely bad blood between the afghan government and the americans who are supposed to be on the same side our guest this week is not on the show afghanistan's ambassador to switzerland to the united nations here in geneva our view is governments relations with washington.

used to put. a welcome to conflicts on. northern a stranger to conference in but you're welcome you've had presidential elections again once again been allegations of widespread fraud who can have confidence in the results of these elections when they when the results come. yes you know we had an election despite. intimidations despite all of the traits. and also a lot of naysayers so i'm talking about forward. just you know coming to this but having an election and the situation in afghanistan shows the dissolve of the afghan people to decide their fate democratically but the question wolf. it is in

the elections which has been in the past also in afghanistan unfortunately so far the reports that i have received this that that it has been a much a much better election than before so who accepts there is a reason we have seen who says that all if you look at the all the independent observers of this election they are telling us giving you know the new regulation the mechanisms by a metric devices this election has been working in many places so and that and when they were working they weren't followed through to you that is that's then technical technical issues to be it is not just a technical issue it's reluctance of people to use them so it is just a learning learning process but but coming to the results of the election they both can demming all the candidates but including the board for the frontrunners been very categorically clear that they will accept it is out of this election announced by the independent election commission of a show she wouldn't it that would make

a change of the accepted the results because of that there was a lot of negotiation that had to take place in 2014 which was also mobbed by massive fraud as were last year's parliamentary elections as well so you don't you don't have a good record here the system is completely from the senate but you see it as i say it is a learning process my the are the stakes and the other stakes of many observers in afghanistan should be that or we're doing better than the past or it's getting worse so i will say this election is much better than the previous election i mean look at look it's also been some of the last month we had the former heads of the election commission and the electoral complaints commission both jailed for fraud along with 8 members of their staff how many other people are involved in fraud right up and of the country how many you see that also again should the result of this state that the election fraud will not will not go. easy with it so i think

that's part of building a strong institutions but if you look at the case of this isn't it this was only the tip of the iceberg this is the tip of your other thing the perp off it and then we'll get to the bottom of it to the new york times reported that in case a district in the province one of the elders told them the local strongmen had been stuffing the ballot boxes they sat together and each filled the boxes for their guy they said we can't leave these boxes empty we said but what about the biometric verification they said who's going to love if that kind of attitude is the scene doubtless been multiplied many many times the country many times you see term you know in afghanistan now it's 16 years that we are doing collection so as i learned this 160 years where you know where we have this interview and i asked the source that you know how they are making this tape to be honest you see it depends on you know how you build institutions and you build the trust with them that is to sions

the case that you have mentioned the report when you are terms i don't have the verification of it but even if that is accurate it shows that you know people do they still trust institutions and who can make the institutions trustable is the central listed in our government in kabul and that's why you know they put this commission hours into the trial we introduced the most advanced system of. which people are using ambassador in another district in longer no less a person than the speaker of the senate and the county loyalists issued a direct threat to the chief of the election commission on television after she said only the biometrically check votes would be counted his response on television was we will force even her daddy to count the non biometric votes great to see how powerful people are just tearing up the rules and making room as they go along with our full. yes and no interest in the bonus heroes but subsequently the apologized

and he apologized to the head of the election commission and again it shows a change in a country like afghanistan where a poor 4 person like the president of the senate apologizes to a woman who is the head of the election commission of afghanistan i think that shows a change of attitude i'm not saying that in this perfect we're moving military. progress to i do you know as a person who lives in afghanistan and i've seen you know your fracturing of straws and to. you see when your analysis you mention you do that you're presidents of the election was needed to give the new president a powerful mandate but there is no powerful moment it to be had in afghanistan certainly not by elections fact is the power real power in your country is not through democratic means but by a few doing fractious collection of strong men warlords corrupt officials and they

don't have much use for democracy do that wasn't the case in the europe in the past i mean how was there a centuries do you want to go about living in 2019 i think that's the difference between europe and our country so we are moving in that direction and not proud of murder torture forced disappearances intimidation this kind of thing that goes on in your country and you compare it to europe not more of course of course not what i'm saying is that look you know by the time that europe progress than this part there was no will come for example or heart talk or somebody to make them you're accountable so they're moving on their own piece but what we do is we don't want to move on that because we not have the time but we need you know the perseverance we need the assistance we need the you know the good models and modalities and technology to help this country move along this maybe quicker faster but it might not happen in 16 years this summer is you moving backwards for them you take the media which blossomed for a while after the taliban were overthrown 100 media outlets have been forced to

close as human rights put it he writes which put it threats and abuse by government officials warlords and security forces together with devastating attacks by groups tied to the islamic state the taliban or other insurgents all this has forced more than $100.00 media outlets to close what do enormous step backwards and so it basically is is it is that systematic is the government policy that you know we're clamping down on media no you know it's not clamping down on the warlords either. we do believe we are in a fight we are in a war we are clamping down on the international terrorists which is the enemy of all of the world but at the same time we are trying to reform our institution where we can reduce the power of the strong people the people that you have in power president girlie abdullah abdullah chief executive what have they done they've they've completely set up a structure which is beset by divisions internal disagreements discord.

crisis group said political partisanship has permeated every level of the security apparatus undermining the command structures of the afghan national defense and security forces so far from unifying the country these 2 figures have actually divided it even further for the benefit of their personal ambitions you see depends on which angle you're looking at that probably is a good reality to know prices who were looking at the from the mayor very sort of perfectionist angle yes you know we we have experience of the company's looks will not a government of national unity to doing the opposite just give me an example of other national unity government which has you know completed their terms the state does not think about what about games forever we're looking at afghanistan and i'm seeing that about half but then you have to put the prospect that we had libya you know going for this kind of election a divisive election was there we have 2 governments there we have syria which is in advance of those most of the. talking about afghanistan you know picking talking in

afghanistan in isolation will not help because you have to look at there to see how we are looking at the situation we're looking at situation in afghanistan that is listed synesthesia where you have to afflicting attention from what's going on in your country but it doesn't help to look at syria normally be what i'm saying you're not responsible for syria but crisis group also have a yardstick which is you know the half they have you know measures that look at this government this country is betting that better doing better than the other country so that's why i'm campaigning at the s.l. a national unity government had a strong problems there are 2 rival teams with the 2 differently no way of thinking about governance one i was a little bit more decentralized a lot of other centralized government they came together actually to keep the state together and prevent the completely exist together when you're having shootouts between government forces and warlords who are supposed to be on the same side. but at the same time you know you're fighting an insurgency here the even if there

wasn't insurgency used to be a war with your own people as i said that depends on the real or and obviously as fighting the taliban you still have your shootouts with your own people. i mean. in a situation like afghanistan you know what do you expect you know what we say that you know the americans will say that you know we truly are men walk you know we fight terrorist off money the money. divisions we have to isis there we have taliban you know the economy and what but the since then also we have people who want to keep the government weak so you know your government is freak isn't it but their families weak so excited fails and take measures against prominent people who they could make an example of let's take the case of the former governor of punjab province carol moving karim and the arrest warrant was issued for him in the summer after multiple allegations that he sexually assaulted women when he was president

of the country's football federation why hasn't he been arrested in formally charged so he was is charged week 7 here is that because there's guards whereas if you know he was removed from his position this case is now in the attorney general's office probably he's not in the country and it in fact in the how many cases where even the trasher community has not helped us this is a gesture from human rights watch is that he continues to wield considerable influence among the police and other politicians and that's why he that's why i don't think he has been arrested in that if you asked him you could have seized his property couldn't you i think the attorney general's case i don't have that details but i can assure you that no he does not do we learn he and you paul are right now in cup the americans have criticized you in action in the strongest possible terms the ambassador john bass said in june we call on the government of afghanistan to complete its investigation and ensure justice is served. support of that

investigation into the 10 part of that investigation we send even a team here to to meet fifa they went to germany in favor of the science of this gentleman that's really saying a $1000000.00 but you know putting they took action yes the you have been a key is it's can not it's not like you know you can you collect you know you have to collect ever then it has to be strong because it's an international case right now there are international lawyers in this we cannot you know have an up or of justice in this case where later on some other courts will come against that so we take all the nor the diligence we send delegations of attorneys in this country in the simplicity of issue an arrest warrant you've issued an arrest warrant not pick him up this is all the americans and so you see yourself even example you know how long it'll take for those put on mr pitt a visa for those western countries you've been trying to discern talk about this football and the other talking this is a matter of the cold thinking or is simply a less than who you believe in your own talking about the same case because partly what is clear is a problem with the rule of law or due to

a real problem exercising the rule of law you see yes you know we have problem with the rule of law but but the exercise of the rule of law requires and strong state and that is what we have to build you also have a big problem with torture and that is perhaps the worst aspect of your government's failure of the human rights for those in the torture by your security services and their affiliates time and again western agencies have reported the appalling treatment inflicted by your officials and local prisoners why do you so consistently fail to crack down on these disgraceful products can you can you give me 6 on this because what as as far as i am here in the past 6 months in our records on this because we have recently joined the optional protocol of catheters convention against torture rousseau which are laws even the cases to be taken to a new course and it allows for the investigators to get into even our prisons i think that is. the most open part of this convention and the unanimous report i

believe you know what i'm saying about your numbers latest report which is i wanted to put a that there is a reduction there a substantial reduction in the cases of there's specially in oil and areas which was in the know in india but you still have a 3rd of conflict related detainees alleging serious abuse including severe beatings electric shocks near suffocation and suspension from the ceiling for long periods and that's from your mama's latest report so what what does all this say what does it say about you that you get these practices continue year after year after year when they're flagged up year after year you know what i'm saying is that the end of the we do we do look a lot of people in the charge for the future look look at those a status ticks of your number which will tell you there is 27 person the direction in the case of which is alleged torture another encounter yes it can the including and can the latest report called the numbers in tortured encounter how staggering

staggering it said this in facilities under the control of the main intelligence agency group the national directorate of security do you do you get this you government actually control this agency of course you do allow this to a staggering levels of torture in the latest you normally report when you show the question should not the problem is that we have a law in it that's not like as the governor of georgia says a stop is doing everything possible calabar was flagged up as a major torture center every year for at least 8 years what did you do with the reports but how did a boon on about how was the progress you just good deep into the deported else's bag or rings you between getting something we understand the semantics you know the way you put this word but the discussion i had here with you know my human race people in this office they told me that there is a substantial improvement in this case especially in kandahar this spoke with the commander of police of kandahar. and they assured them of every possible

cooperation who's been you know scares here's the test who's been held to account as for accountability we've only seen mine at disciplinary sanctions in the very few cases that were investigated and no compensation for victims despite a legal requirement in your country to provide that why why why nobody held accountable why no compensation there are they are held accountable many comments are in the case of past you number of reports there have been people from the in the years and come the hope from the police department so i can give you the status example of this one and they continue to torture the noise i think is still using and if you look off scot free that's the fact that you're not is mostly isn't always here we are we have the most open and valente polygynous. of the united nation make any sense of human rights you know the protocols the optional protocols the conventions and the treaty bodies so it's like you know i've done this time have pledged to look we have

a very open and transparent system of human rights yes there might be you know it's not our commitment of money or maybe you know there might be capacity problems there might be problems which is you know the local somewhere or a local police escort you know contacting me with this some of this crimes but it's not the lack of it's happening to me all and jane intelligence directorate were not told the local police just a few days ago you tweeted that the afghan government is fighting a complex unconventional asymmetrical war with enemies that don't adhere to international humanitarian law you admitted to point your government doesn't adhere to international humanitarian law the one not in country has said recommit to every better off each other while our enemy you may not commit to it on paper but getting to your prisons you will see much some of international humanitarian law not at all i mean you can ask you can ask human rights. as you can i ask you number one see

you know how they compare which is in prison so we've just been into a series of you're supposed to be the good side of course we are in this of course we are and your abuse you torturing murdering speeling disappearing people and the international community must be in the us has lost some 2500 soldiers to protect a government that allows this to go on. as 150000 soldiers there are you see just both of you you can put in the brother prospect i'm just why why the war is happening there i mean you're coming to true to the details where you know it can divvy it public opinion so if you look at from the larger perspective why united states and afghanistan why we are fighting whom we are fighting with i mean we are fighting with an enemy which wanted to use each and every possible means to inflict pain on the civilians i mean the last casualties of 100 ordinary people in a wedding hot and what justified that you guys might anatomist trying to justify

any of the violence i'm trying to justify the things which the americans particularly have pointed out like corruption where they claim you are not doing enough and it doesn't help that your president's national security adviser some of the more hape picked a fight with the u.s. in march accusing their peace negotiator the. acting out of personal ambition and seeking to become viceroy in a caretaker government was that really such a good idea because fight with america you see the fighting for you know that the thing is that you're not fighting within a state i mean that's where you will understand the question is there a did you have to suppress the b.c.m. breakdown elections they've rescinded a $160000000.00 because they don't think you're a partner who's fighting corruption $160000000.00 they've taken back no they're not taken back there would haul debts from some of the projects exactly that and that's again that's a very technical thing but central. my problem here accused your government of

being unable to manage transparently us government resources and incapable of being a partner that's a pretty stinging rebuke isn't it you see the real together there is a framework of mutual accountability and the government of afghanistan is really and this open if there are problems those will shift problems of their progress that's a shift progress but coming to the relationship with the united states the question is there is a peace process and we all understand that the peace process has at least 2 sites and one side there is the state and the government of afghanistan so we are saying that without this threat of the government of afghanistan and the peace process which will go in a one side it is doomed to failure feel excluded your excluded going to go shooting because your head because right because you see it in a recession has 2 parts one is the taliban will sit down with the taliban or the other person with you have to sit where you have government saying they have to but they've said they won't the thing is real we are literally ality on the ground taliban are living probably in the ninety's i mean this is the 1st thing they after

said the people they have to submit the afghan government if they want to reach peace with this you're not capable of negotiating peace deals with strong men all the ones little lone the taliban are you know the story of election. so we have an effect a source anything oh it well. last month both the u.s. and the taliban appeared close to an agreement and then trump called off a meeting. david. you don't want those talks to succeed to you they started again in sweden the new talks they've been doing is the family want that to succeed because you know one thing we all understand that we're all sick and tired of war i mean this war is 18 years but i myself i appeared to my eyes the generation of what i was 1979 just before the so with and with afghanistan i mean how long more disk and continue we all want peace but peace has to be a sustainable peace it's not sustainable until unless all the stakeholders or not

coming together and agreeing on a common vision for future of afghanistan policy one cannot force their way in kabul 'd and cannot see in all of the. illusion and the new rule of the past the also understand i mean i've been involved in some of this peace process negotiation in most areas outside of oh like to know where you you saved it shows no sign of the changing world sort of coming they have to change in peace you know in you say they have to yes have to yes because those who are that they will have seen change as far as they're concerned they don't have to please at least in the level of rhetoric the discussions that we have we have seen that there is an understanding for the taliban that they cannot have it all the way they want it to accept some point if this war is to end you will have to end a power sharing agreement with the term the bill and do accept it how do you call it a power creating our own say that you know the taliban can be part of the state institutions

but will it be to a power sharing will it be to an election will be true in any other mechanism i think that's open for end of a negotiation or isn't part of the governing elite as. if it is if it is as a part of as an agreement a sport often in africa and they were stationed yes the same telegram continues killing your people you civilians blowing up your most valuable religious cultural sites. taliban the powers punish women by whipping them and refusing to let them go to school or work with the men you really think that strange and i mean if they agree with a common vision official of afghanistan which is a survey of their city they were it's an islamic version you say we already have an islamic government and you differ very much on what that actually means don't you see it resides a very far apart and your solution is the house they are in or the other state the

position we have are on a stated position but but to be in the us diplomat to be expected we believe that there is a soon of agreement where the 2 sides will come to a consensus and that consensus will not be something that the definitely want and that will not be something that everything that we want so that's that's why the definition of a negotiation as if we'd each into a negotiated agreement with the taliban where it will be over arching gains that we hope that even terms of human rights in terms of in a constitution and his own government failed to call them but they would roll them back then they had 4000000 girls in school then then there goes on school of course that's not something they're going to compromise who couldn't you know who've gone through it all i mean one of the rides one of the writers that i'd like i think of there is only $100.00 line and that is the woman's right the woman has their eyes the out again a dumb software fault for the past 18 years even in the past and this is not something that new that i am nor there you or international community should come from

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