you speak this language. here's your capsule. you feel. just the. right place. right. there he's cleaning up your mess isn't a no no how do you sleep at night i have a basket an apology for my people live in the middle east from ethiopia has come a long way in a short time there's a new peace deal with eritrea and a new prime minister apparently determined to bring accountability for the human rights abuses of the past my guest this week here in brussels this is previous

highly maryam decile and who denied for many years that human rights violations have taken place and whose government locked up many thousands of political prisoners have seen no shame for the torture that was perpetrated and the lives that were ruined during his time in office. chaim i am welcome to convert so thank you so much thank you for having me ethiopia has a new prime minister of the who took over after you resigned last year he's now received the nobel peace prize basically for undoing many of the evils of your government and doing what you couldn't do within 100 days. don't you feel something of a failure when you look at what he's done. i know that because. i have done my share

to bring this change to happen. and. promise that abby has not come from blue moon it has come from the party which i was it is a thing you have but he's begun correcting the massive human rights abuses which were a prominent feature of your talent or at least it is it is my party which started the reform process and we say. the process should be no one to the country basically but also to the party itself so i think that is a process which yielded prime minister rabin. prime minister so he continued with the process pro reform my gender that my party and his party whether this is nobel committee cited his achievements as lifting the country state of emergency granting amnesty to thousands of political prisoners for years

you always denied there were any scrapping media censorship legalising outlawed opposition groups dismissing military and civilian leaders suspected of corruption all the things that you failed to do when you were in office by the way do you know that 9095 percent of the prisoners being released due to my office. before i left office and before i resigned so i think what i did was they remaining 5 percent which has to be released so the decision was the decision of the party. and i took that action before i resigned how many did you release almost 4000000 something how many more than 3000 or so here where there were many more than 3000 in jail yeah but it's only young people who've recently been arrested been released but the main political figures which has been adverse to been released.

during my term before i resigned in may this year the attorney general. filed criminal charges against your former intelligence chief get that you asked for alleging human rights abuses and corruption he's gone missing that you know where he will have it i don't know i'm not in office now no information 20 other people were charged with him he had served until june 28th seen. he had served you as prime minister who were denying that any human rights abuses were being committed i think you're you're lucky information lucky evidence it is my government and my party who admitted that there has been. abuse. here often here in interviews say nobody's being mistreated we have no political prisoners one north to the other you gave interviews sitting smiling across the billions of us say oh everything's fine here you know you always forget you have to understand the way how our part to operate was the way of

a state in the way you operate within islam if you like yourself let me finish 1st if that's the case then you know that we have been historically we have to understand that in the 1st place this is a party fighting left and you know us. when there is a communist mentality and when it's a marxist mentality there is a centralism when you do in a war your party decides one issue even though you have differences in as a minority you take with you so you just hold the line whatever it is because you're too cowardly to say anything about what's really going on i think is that it's no excuse that sort of misplacing the whole thing is that we believe that in our party and the government that we need to reform our system we need to bring the. changes that we need to democratize our country and because

that's a country always number of interest this and there is an introduction of ethnic mobilized politics which is very dangerous and therefore we have we have decided that we need to go or how does that end d.p. in the forming our country wishes it for something actually been abused in washington you didn't get it i'd need we're going to be forced to well if you had done that the prime minister when he came in by mr abbey wouldn't have had to condemn police brutality pledged to return rein in the security services tackle what he called economic mismanagement corruption and rights abuses all of this spending failed you want to spin off this is also misplaced see because produce that abby has more come from a blue moon he has got the way they came for us and they're with us he's cleaning up you know most isn't a no no it's not he's not cleaning up his mrs he's going on the government's the

mess you left dark knight i think this is also misplacing and i really always say that you know correctly this is our party's admission of our collective mistake and then we put in place properly the start of the things that you failed to do by november last year dozens of intelligence officers and high level officials have been arrested including people from the military run metals and engineering corp met tech on charges of corruption and human rights is this is the level put those charges to that speed that is the study which i introduced new york to be finished i mean it. november last year you weren't in office i did it you don't have any business i did it i lunched in the studies and then completion of the 2 studies then action has been taken the attorney general said 63 people had been arrested that months november last year 27 for corruption $36.00 on charges of human rights violations that included the former head of matic confect bagnio

a brigadier general over whom you did nothing you did nothing about that study you lucky with this i love the study group of people who study the study it's challenging people with human words north of charlotte every usually when you show up to challenge people after you said after concretely there is a criminal investigation and unity that investigation has been launched by may 3rd local media said huge sums of money were missing from this company a matter. let the let the court decide on it as prime minister you were supposed to look after the public places the military was supposed to follow your orders. and you for seem to fail spectacularly to make them do that since you feel any remorse at the crimes you were allowed to take place when you were prime minister no i think i have resigned because i was not able to you know change dramatically

whatever has to come be going to week because no i i say fiction actually i have my own history in this and i have my own weaknesses and you have to not to look into only the weaknesses but you had also see the strengths of this country has gone and you know you know that my country has been visited during my tenure by 6 of the 77 leaders and they all announces that this country has been working very hard at double digit grows and they cannot make. achievements where we have it's difficult to our people out of poverty the only country which has actually in. 7 hours of this 8 images and now where the by the united nations by my time so i think you have to see all those positive things we have achieved last ever lost over the rest of the room the attorney general. said investigated her uncovered

serious abuses by security services at secret prisons in the capital and elsewhere to know what your security officers were doing in the secret prisons i don't know those big smites i'm sure in the future ever ask a visit how can i do or if your intelligence doesn't give me information how can you know there were plenty of foreign reports that torture was going on which you deny it and you're not you're telling me you didn't know what was going on i didn't see your scenario so far as your denials were just pro-forma denials no are not going to know everything when you were in office no not at all you did you said they don't know everything you didn't you didn't know what was going on in these prisons you didn't ask you weren't interested. they know it or fish only we know some of the appeal of abuse this and i have taken and made some of the actions. of those things but i didn't know that there are informal prisons which has been there

the attorney general said there are people who have been blinded and held in darkness for long periods of time others have been left infertile because of blows to their genitals there are some that had limbs broke or women have been subjected to gang rape and men have been sort of modest all this happened until your rule so i had to ask you on she was shame that this was going on until you were ruled no i am i feel it is a shared that with this happened but i didn't know those things and if i knew those things they would architected them because this is a very sacred things happened well it didn't take long for this prime minister to find out what was going on so obviously nice looking in light lace and you do not believe you know either you didn't want to look at italian i am merely whom for this prime minister to art i tried been very hard to bring him to power and i did every you lost your job that's why you gave up you lost control the party lost faith in you that's why you gave up what i think you can you can say that going to

be struggling to control the rest in the country because failure cases that is going out in it myself i did it intentionally because i wanted to see that this change should come so i think this is genuinely what has happened and i did my best in paving a way for this to happen so i think that has to be clearly kind of did i did i think a big clearly wriggle of it when we have been in your prisons during your term in office with being subjected to gang rape and men too so the my ization know that you know this even if you say you didn't know it at the time. europe. the gene to the victims i didn't have a permit was when i when they said when they resigned because that's the system which was open to me and many of you meant to the victims and apologize personally to them if there is a need to be a will you have been done some have it i have i have been to get those chance and i

when we have been consolation and through so many consolation commission established and ask process how do you sleep at night knowing that this was going on in your torture centers carried out by your officials when you were prime minister if you sleep at night if i knew then i said to you that i was there to collect everything in my disposal if i knew it but i did notice your meal your said to be a religious man from a family of pentecostalists with around that strong. how others gang rape and sodomy ization fit in with your religious values no i didn't know i say if a new it doesn't fit in in my brain yes but you went on denying it denying it denounce news for nearly every interview that that's the report there have been

obviously despite the reports coming out of every room in human rights groups all over the world which you just rubbished you said that's not true they're outside as there are enemies don't listen to them everything is fine you said i think i have never said everything is fine you said there was no mistreated us i said there was no mistreatment going on there is a problem but i was saying that my report is that it's not to the extent what has been said that's what they say by then any case i report which i wish i was giving to the public which which was the case let's take another detention center gigo central prison otherwise known as jail regional detention center in the east of the country but ministered in public by your special police it was closed in august last year do you know what was going on there as well no i don't know why not you knew the prison existed and you know what you are right you have no good reason to

you have no curiosity mr high amount you didn't want to know what was going on in your jails no it's not the case you know that in jail governments have their own rights and i think the whole thing is i did my my work according to the reports they get from my intelligence and from my sources and therefore that's what what was the kids people reported there were many of the former prisoners who said they saw people dying in their cells after being tortured by officials in this our god then jailers as it was called what should happen to the officials who carried out this torture. i mean what should happen to the. dead in prison that's it. just prison sentences and what should happen to you for turning a blind eye to it that depends on the legal system of the country you know either

his own simply because to take all the responsibilities but what is extraordinary is that with all the abuses that were carried out when you were prime minister you accepted from the new prime minister the nation's highest award for service without even blushing without any embarrassment whatsoever now that you know what was going on while you were prime minister why didn't you give back the war. why should i because i have a number of positive things i have because you failed to take control this is one part of it and it's a huge advantage of it that says you trollish is a you rationalize walk in my country that doesn't explain that's not the only thing you know i have done many good things there are issues in the system which are a failure which i initiated to reform and did conduct reform because i understood that age of you know before his admission and are stupid that there are something going on therefore i initiated this reform and then i have released

95 percent of the you are in if you were in office for 6 years and this new prime minister has come in and done more for human rights than you did in all the time you were there this is because they paved the way for him billy the us state department in 2016 published a catalogue of the human rights abuses taking place on the your rule which of course you deny it but then the known to be true arbitrary killings disappearances torture harsher life threatening prison conditions detention without charge you know minute where they really weren't but it's what they said but how can you sell it you didn't know what was going on when all these reports were pointing to what was yes and whenever they knew that there are things going wrong i initiated that form and the serious reform and the before and that's the result where the prime minister has come into power. you said when you result in that you wanted to be

part of the solution in ethiopia how can you be part of the solution when you are so much part of the problem. you know i did some part of the solution because in there is a problem which you were going to probably cheering when you created the atmosphere of permissive about this fear in which your security officials believe they could torture but it was all right to torture go on torturing disappearing people no judicial execution of the you created the atmosphere in which that was possible no i didn't create the atmosphere so or if i examine the constitutional system has been established then anyone who's in what way that is could be accounted for but i didn't create this this point this the environment for them it is a deep system which i was not able to look into because of my background and because of my you know i must say that are coming into the deep system so i

couldn't see that when mr came into power he couldn't wait to condemn the legacy of your government and draw a line in the old time the office could be april last year he said that the government your government had sanctioned torture of its prisoners and said it had been guilty of state terrorism he said it he said in parliament does the constitution say anyone who was sentenced by a court can be tortured put in a dark lot skin doesn't that's the rule that the government was in his eyes were not only mine you were the prime minister i was in this order but with you is there also the buck stopped yeah you could literally decided to reform including in the accounts of what the responsibility lay hailes not to you how do you yet use yes it is now to try to get around to that why do you try to get out his wife and she did that for that's why i mentioned that you know why i'm here thank you for being here in a shared vision for you blocked every attempt by the united nations special

rapporteur that should tell you or anyone has a call from as we have issued can you see the way before you should. come up from us and the only message i need locked i only reason you block them are you least be gating was because you didn't want them to find out what was going on i did and i initiated that before before my eyes that mission you don't know and the truth for me is that what the result of pain is that i'm going to come to power conjured so before i kill all of it him to power the conscience of people were killed in the your regime and you refused to have an independent investigation led by the un human rights official if you ask the killings the last one and half years the number of killings side passed in 6 years what happened in my town if you ask for killings look darker still dicky's so the whole thing is you know i initiated this new form a year ago before my dissemination and i put in there when for the new system you

would have seen the bush was mean you say you are surely to reform you created a regime where people were tortured and disappeared and had their rights taken away from them consistently tens i have thousands of people i was not needed i was on the ambassador then apology for my people that the region has some abuses of you know who my doubts and that if you sit in democracy and that has happened i am and i still feel that i'm sorry for that but i can dish it out so much will come up as it's not much of an apology as it really isn't a half hearted apology no it is not a new michael you are not the same you know i could have taken you to the last minute leadership programs are you they want to spare you lost the faith or not i haven't lost that security forces haven't lost the army they're all going to have a rest for the rest and they should know by this that they should have been

investigated under your design of a worthwhile one to continue as the tartarus you know i could have missed everything up to the. last of my bit if you want you know more than it is a dictatorship yet you always claim that democracy took time you always said this is a fledgling democracy it takes time and this isn't this is what every dictator says act the way they do so while the yourself now although you are yourself in europe you pass through a number of civil wars before you can you seriously want to present read to you he just says it's not targeting bhansali and that's on the far east this while they show or even in your view noticed that everywhere in the western countries you democracy has taken time and it has not come in one short and one day and one week and 1000000 it has taken you to much of that school and that will continue democracy is building them over the culture here is not justice everything to slow

it down this trial of maariv never shied away from associations or friendships either with indicted or convicted war criminals do they hold some special fascination for you and these people which runs like mr r. by sheer the former president of the bill in august you posted a controversial picture on facebook of you smiling next to ethiopia as exiled marxist leader megastore haile mariam and then you took it out when there was a huge outcry because this man of course was found guilty in the center of genocide by the way i met him incidentally when i was there in somebody he was in the president's office when i was there in the president's office when i made him and i talked to him so that's what happened in any case and you posted a comment saying i wish to see more former heads of governments and states in my country contributing their parts in different capacity of the peaceful transition of political will of the doctors not to me it is the officers there who did it and

they say this is wrong. so you don't want mr mengistu with his conviction for genocide to play a part in the new ethiopia i think if we go through true isn't that a consideration commission and if he is on some given chance to you know to apologize and then anything what the through senate conservation commission bleeds into it i then that leads the country and it's a consideration i have a deep belief that we need conciliation what mother says well some of the past even the future is worse of the possible mottos that genocide is than something you just you just are there see by just feeling our way really how did it it was delusional dr may come to explain to me please how a conviction for one of the most serious crimes on the planet would qualify mr mingus to contribute to the well being of your country i would i would imagine with

a qualification like that. i think it depends on how did a conviction for the side of genocide for the most serious crime in us you are entirely this holds off because if you can say a part of it isn't genocide with the whole mind that for you it's not just a few times it is more than genocide where is your truth and reconciliation commission it is that has been established and we see that is that for you years apartheid this not my for us it is so your quite happy for convicted war criminals to come back to your country and play their part good old boy is good old boy solution procedure i love that yes if not then no how should future generations in africa protect themselves from people like you. they should democrat that is their country's greatest dictators like you. i think

lead me to type that is wrong is wrong this is use is not my my people. so i think this is misplaced and again this is a group from yourself. thank you very much for being the culprits themselves. the be the big. boobs.

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