no how dangerous it is and they could have not quite a civil war but i mean really chaotic scenes in britain so he's very keen to avoid all this grandstanding to say you know rather die that it will be all the stuff that he's been saying was just to apply pressure it would have to get if you know that he always wanted an agreement i'm i'm quite certain of that derek. we talked about the majority of what they want in britain but where do people in scotland and ireland stand it has often been said that one of the terrible side effects of brics it could be essentially breaking apart the united kingdom do you think that is where we're heading what are people in ireland in scotland saying now you know well people in ireland were you know there's no good breaks it but of all the breaks the deal is this is this is fine we just agree on this what was just the current break the deal because the primary achievement of the irish government in dublin was no border the status quo for the last 20 years was preserved but there's

a big asterisk beside that and not us to risk is that all this technical stuff of trade and collecting tar of sand in northern are we actually don't know how trade will work between the british isles and future so there's a big if when will this actually work and on the other hand people unarmed are wondering eventually people annoying i would realise have gotten the court quite a sweetheart deal if it works but then the question is why didn't the scots get it you've already seen them coming out and so so the only intend the law of unintended consequence could be that we kept the border open between northern ireland and the republic but what happens if scotland gets up some momentum and this is like the steroids that the nationalists in scotland have been needed to break away so you know we could've saved our than the broken of the u.k. . on our neighbor island so yeah who knows where it's going. next. there is a palpable sense longing for a resolution we heard max saying there's a that's the case in brussels we heard people in that film talking about their wish

for yes resolution yet experts are saying that even if a breck's it deal goes through let's say by the end of the year or early next year there will still then be another chapter of wrangling of uncertainty surrounding trade because. britain will then have to very quickly negotiate new bilateral trade agreements with the e.u. its biggest trading partner and with its long 4 partner the us is that process truly going to be as difficult and painful as what we've seen along the brics it it will probably be even worse although maybe it won't have quite the kind of public sort of debate it's going to be much more time consuming and much more complex than what we've seen so far and the idea should be that the framework for that deal should even be in place by the end of 2020 so just over 12 months from now which he's impossible to achieve so ultimately we might get over this deadline now but

we've got another deadline coming up in just over 12 months which is going to have to probably itself be extended and also if we look at for example it took the european union 7 years to negotiate a trade deal with canada and that was about much more minimal issues and britain is going to have to negotiate a trade deal with the european union so we're going to be looking at something of upwards of 5 years to get everything sorted out for the trade deal between the u.k. and the european union if you're tired of brecht's it the best way is to say essentially hold a 2nd referendum and stay and then lease to the sort of could if waiting for the next deadline will go away if you actually go through with this now and this is only the 1st over series of deadlines which are going to be coming up in the next few years so maybe it won't be the topic of every discussion so much more but this is going to be a nightmare for a decade for the u.k. if they do see this through let's see whether either of your fellow guests think that that could really still be an option referendum and backing away from rex it

at all then dealing can you even imagine that that could still be an option i agree with eric i think that is highly unlikely by now i think it was a time let's say he ago when there was a lot of momentum for a 2nd referendum and the economist in favor of that because we argued that the fast time they people really didn't know what they were voting on so so. we thought with a heavy heart because normally one obviously must respect the results of a referendum we thought a 2nd best run is a good idea but i think by now the time has it's too late so that window of opportunity has closed and i think it's highly unlikely derek in no way john's argument is premised on people voting on the basis of facts and projections and the clear the hell it's between costs and benefits of bracks it looks like it probably will be negative for great britain to put it mildly yet that's really not what

people are deciding on the basis of is it are we looking at something that has become as we saw in the film absolutely emotional i think it always was emotional it's always been a very deep need it's a struggle within the british soul who are we are we part of something bigger are we better off alone and the detail is just distracting us and you can really see it as you know living in ireland we know the british quite well probably about another people in europe because of our interesting history but i find it really telling that nobody in britain really if any other country in europe held up a continent for 3 years i think some people would be embarrassed props and it would be a shame some people might apologize they feel that they can do this for another 3 years perhaps and i don't know if the rest of europe is really interested would be more extensions and talk extension the patients and so on but this notion i think even be wanted in the european union at this stage nobody in britain seems to be asking that question it's one thing to say we'd like to stay as anyone else really want them at this stage because if they stay there would be effectively of political civil war in the country they will not be very productive european union members on

the other side if they go occur and bearing in mind that there is a majority of the british population that wants to remain we saw more than 1000000 people on the streets of london just a week ago all being the case for remain in the european union unfolding a 2nd referendum 60000000 not yet. yeah i know but you're not going to get a 1000000 leavers going out demonstrating and there's never been a group that kind of groundswell of support you've got the biggest grassroots approach your movement of any european country is in the u.k. just now isn't it too late you might argue but bear in mind however there is no deal that you can get through the current house of commons because there is no majority for anything the only majority of it is for anything is against no deal and so ultimately what's your way of of i'm looking all of this you've tried to look at 3 parliamentary means over the last 3 years that's ultimately failed a new election may a little kid but again as we've discussed it may not so ultimately the solution if

you really can bear with it is essentially to say a new election remain polities try to manage to organize as best they can to try to at least deny the conservatives a majority and in the move forward to a 2nd referendum some point in the middle of 2020 because it might not be no use for the european union but stephanie the east west out this assumes they we didn't have the detail back then and the whole purpose of a 2nd referendum is if people knew the details they will vote differently people are not going to read the details aren't as a controversial end and people go and vote and referendums and european treaties and we ask them what they're voting on they haven't read anything but so were sunni people who will now that they have to detail would will willingly make themselves more informed than before but we've had 3 or 4 years of poise and they're just going to vote with their gut like this is the last time we were. based on current opinion polls they will vote to remain but very tightly and again back to the start putting again but the other alternative putting britain adult with an inadequate deal and with all of the tensions that we've discussed about a lot of it is also about solutions so ultimately you've got to choose the least

worst solution here and the least with solution remains an election followed by by reference so that delayed let me get you to weigh in here and i'm going to come back to our title because. i'm going to ask all of you to answer that title question can westminster seal a deal is the title question john in a way is saying no where do. you stand and if you say yes when and what's it going to look like oh gosh i've got to the point so yes i think westminster can strike at the end it's not going to be a good deal it's not going to be pretty but i think i think we are now maybe on the way of doing nothing when this the big question i think the most likely deadline knowledge the 31st of january they are going to ask for an extension and then this festive down but i mean with with a big question mark but that at the moment i think is the most likely time to assume my answer is yes it can strike a deal and the most likely deadline is the 31st of. unfortunately i breaks my heart

to say it but the european union has more important things not discussed than britain and britain's problems need to be solved in britain so i say we're having a hard go with god but go and when when will it happen most of all because they're working a fact of what's really important the european union's future in the world trying to battle between populist trying to battle what's what's our security is your water our migration policies what kind of europe do we want britain has been distracting us from. and in other words you're saying westminster will seal the deal. there well. we might want to apologize for waste your time for 3 years but i don't expect out of college and a lot of good talk shows haven't we john last word to you are you saying westminster won't seal a deal westminster once this westminster this composition the house of commons won't seal a deal it needs a general election after the general election you get this deal because boris johnson is strengthened and it's if you britain is on the track to

a 2nd right. ok thanks very much to all of you will see his prediction comes true and thanks to you out there for joining in see you again on to the point. the but. the but the but. the be.

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a die level for nato what to do about turkey collaborating with russia at nato headquarters defense ministers are faced with one of their own turkey suddenly patrolling northern syria together with nato and 1st rate russia the alliance and doing this major test of its unity and also coming up the european union's human rights prize goes to. what is worth defending china's weaker minority teachers daughter who says the family hasn't seen him since he was put in prison term years ago our family members were are no longer able to visit homs and we don't know if you still have a child in the same prison or and when we don't even know why. and more than 4 decades after his death is a huge row for some in spain others is a haunting figure the remains of former dictator francisco franco exuma relocated and really buried easier than laying to rest the legacy of franco

a good. mood . i'm told me a lot of well thanks for joining us. at nato headquarters they have a problem with one of their own defense ministers are discussing turkey's actions in northern syria in the last 2 weeks in a highly unusual event turkey a nato member is now closely collaborating in syria with a nato rival russia moscow and ankara have joined forces to drive kurdish forces out of northern syria until recently the region was controlled by the kurds who were backed by the u.s. until president withdrew american troops that decision cleared the way for the turks to move into syria. russian patrol winds its way through the syrian town of commish lee on the border with turkey only weeks ago u.s.

forces patrolled here now the guard has changed. russian forces share control of the border with turkish troops and with the syrian army in a buffer zone that is 30 kilometers deep. fascination of summit in brussels secretary-general yan stoltenberg welcomed the arrangement the result of a deal between russian president vladimir putin and his turkish counterpart to red chip tayyip adelante we have seen significant reduction in violence we agree with must build on this to make it progress in our 1st to find the political solution to the conflict in syria. we fully support you another force to reach a political solution. hundreds have died and peasants have been displaced since turkey launched its attack on the kurds on october 9th. desires at street some destruction this is a town of ross a line under turkish control after fierce fighting

a cease fire has been declared to allow kurdish troops to pull back but fighting still faired up on thursday. germany's defense minister wants to prevent further conflict with an internationally and for security zone in northern syria she believes the idea is gaining traction. in the discussion has begun it will be a long process and a difficult path but the 1st steps the 1st talks were encouraging. after the u.s. withdrawal russia and turkey are defying up the spoils in syria the 2 powers have little appetite for making room for others up the table. correspondent teri schultz was at that summit she sent us this appraisal of how the german defense ministers proposal have gone down among the nato colleagues. nato allies were eagerly awaiting more details from german defense minister on

a great power on her proposal to set up an international monitoring mission in northern syria in the eventuality that a safe zone is set up there but i'm told that the minister did not go into much detail even inside the meeting after all she hasn't even been able to get the german government behind this concept so it's pretty difficult to go out and campaign for it another obstacle would be that germany wants a united nations mandate for any such presence and that of course would require russia's approval at the security council in new york russia rejected this idea out of hand so it's pretty difficult to see if and how this initiative could move forward even with the cautious welcome it got from nato and from individual governments secretary-general un stolzenberg summed up the syria session by saying there are different views among allies on what should happen next in northern syria but he said everyone does want to move forward and they're all hoping for a political solution. teri schultz reporting from brussels now to some of the other

stories making news around the world. bolivia's president evo morales has declared himself winner of the country's presidential elections official results gave him a lead of more than 10 points enough to win outright his main rival has leveled days of protests claiming the vote will count was rigged. police and protesters have clashed again in chile after a week of unrest that led to 18 deaths protests over a hike in metro fares grew into anger over in because economic inequality concessions from the government haven't stopped the violence the u.n. says it will investigate human rights abuses in the country. my us democratic and republican lawmakers have been paying tribute to the latest alija cummings whose body is lying in state in the u.s. capitol the much loved representative served in the house for 23 years leading democrat cummings was a central figure in efforts to impeach president donald trump.

a jailed member of china's weaker minority has been honored with this year's sucker of prize the award is given up by the european union and pays tribute to defenders of human rights told he has worked for more than 20 years to improve the rights of the weakest in china but he is now jailed as part of beijing's crackdown against the group which has seen more than a 1000000 we locked up in internment camps the european parliament said he deserved the award for his attempts to promote dialogue with china's han majority. earlier we spoke with the daughter of ilam tortie in washington d.c. she told us what that prize meant to her and her family. i would say this profile awarded means a safety belt for my family and my father i would hope this award can help him being safe in the presence ins 2700 have not heard anything about my father i don't

know if he is mentally doing ok physically doing ok i don't know if he's even alive and i hope this award could. push china to release more news about my father and allow family visits and also eventually release my father the remains of a spanish dictator francisco franco have been exhumed from a state muslim and moved to a private family vault the rebel follows a lengthy legal battle between his family and the socialist government which argued franco's grandiose burial site wasn't appropriate in a democratic spain with 22 family members in attendance and digs body of spain's fascist leader it was taken from its resting place where it had lain for almost 45 years the family had not wanted his remains removed but as he went into the hearse they and other supporters celebrated general franco the man backed by

misleading and hitler who ruled spain as an autocrat. long live spain long live franco they chanted. the body was then carried by military helicopter to the new burial site a lower key state cemetery outside been treated where francos wife is also buried. there war supporters had gathered to show their allegiance to the dictator some expressed passion sympathies and offered insults to the interim socialist prime minister pedro sanchez whose government has ordered the move. in a statement sanchez said the relocation of the body was a step towards reconciliation. so. this decision puts an end to a moral affront such as the glorification of the figure of a dictator in

a public space step has been taken towards reconciliation that can only rest in the democracy and freedom that we all share but at the much for various reasons some 32 percent of people in spain do not agree with the decision with some praising the general's grandson who came for the burial and others offering prayers to franco after a bloody civil war that claimed the lives of 500000 people franco still it seems has the power to divide his country even from beyond the grave. visitors have just hours to scramble up the iconic sandstone rock in the australian desert hole sacred by the indigenous people beginning saturday it will be permanently closed to climbers because of safety risks and its spiritual significance. indigenous australians called tourists at a lou. there are many australians here right now they feel it's their right to

climb the national landmark the holy rock of the local aboriginal people teacher and hansen and her cousin geoff say the geological feature belongs to all australians. think you can be respectful about it and it's a rock this and what are some areas where you stay away from most that certain areas and it's a wonder of the world that some of them are back at this long ago australians of european descent named a as rock but for indigenous communities it's always been and the signs were put up here a couple of years ago please do not climb and action film has been made on the rock people leave their garbage lying around and use the area as an outdoor toilet now the request has become a ban or a lot of this is sacred ground for us the tourists that understand this want to understand it they say this is my rock i say no this is not your rock it's

a rock or a little river. there are 700000 indigenous people in australia and many feel they are disadvantaged in many ways to this day the artist couple lou and billy coolly i'm not against tourists coming to allude in general but they do want their culture to be respected. leading play for the crowd from the crowd from coming in. and people coming in and. the climbing ban has been decided but it's controversial lindy severin and her farm and a nearby small motel with the pub she's afraid there will be fewer tourists now as a local business woman she feels her needs were not given enough consideration when the decision was made. iraq has pain very much part of all of our lives but as professionally and personally for

a long time. having one of those activities now removed just changes that at least 35 people have died climbing the rock over the decades and the hansen and her cousin jack have made it to the top my view for someone is a compromise where the public can climb up to ice portion highly not as far as the top layer way of going to die and then when that money goes back to the indigenous community but now only bike tours and hikes around the rock will be allowed after all the head of the park's visit to sever says wants to show respect for that people's beliefs such a significant decision to close a call is very important that i could actually make such a huge decision themselves demonstrates that i actually own the place and that i can make these decisions without listening to what other people think. the installation field of light brightens up every night but if the path to the peak is

closed at dock tapped him in australia's colonial history. a polish football club's equality work has been crowned best grass roots club 21000 you have a grassroots awards that work in a tough district of warsaw is aimed at making football a more inclusive sport. football for everyone also a club a curious way it was founded on a simple premise the priority is not to fight for trophies but rather for inclusion that's what you wafers grassroots awards here everyone is welcome regardless of gender sexual orientation ethnicity or fitness level. to clubs name a curious way translates to bad alternative sports club. the women's team

captain hopes their story can inspire others my. friend in the world to be nice if our team atmosphere and the atmosphere in the stands and on the field would spread to other clubs so that the mood was nice and curtis and everyone could feel at home cheering on their team here and elsewhere. with the award officially in that hands fans and players can be assured that club bad is doing good work. you're watching the news from but then coming up next ocean grabbing new laws of the scene stay tune for our documentary don't forget you can get all the latest news and information around the clock on our web site that's d.w. dot com thanks for joining the duffy.

it's time to take one step further and face the. time to search the home and fight for the truth. to overcome the interests tax cuts the world it's time for plenty dublin. coming up ahead. of the god of all the. 2 deal was i love biden a thin as i was a coming of those who think as you would be. when.

i show you less than a week and not been with a couple you've been you know as in mine i. believe. the 1st time i came across the term ocean grabbing i sort of imagined this giant hand that was tearing the skin off the ocean returns out the behind the term is in fact a sinister alliance a very different interest. including development politics private industry and environmental protection groups all hoping to subject our oceans to a new world order. at the beginning of my journey along the front lines of this new development i wasn't aware of how diverse the lives of people on the coasts really are and how closely intertwined they are with the ocean i had no idea the decisions upon which these people have little to no influence at such long lasting effects

here did you know that 120000000 people live from fishing and that half of those people are women or that 2 thirds of the fish eaten around the world comes from coastal and small fishing operations. indeed it is in these living spaces that the latest variation of global greed is looking for its next catch. more rules more restrictions more fish more profit. we're in a place called troy gotti bandar a makeshift fishing village in western india. huda ismail is the 1st fisherman i meet on the trip he has been fishing here for

over 20 years it was a good life until 2012 when in a neighborhood directly next to his village the indian multinational company top built the mundra ultra mega power plant a 4000 megawatt facility fired by coal from indonesia and cooled by water from the arabian sea. total costs $4600000000.00. world bank share of that $420000000.00. i thought ok i need much less a way. vento the much you know it's kind of thing on a fairly mild with i think clearly a lot a lot of intl. going there to find it but they're. not telling you how finding these ideas then and then i think about a lot of talent. at times i think that he up on what i like. and i'll call pointed in the wind with

a new one much the market clearly taken. money to that. but it depends on in the world just how kind of you know. some sort of. mostly mussina v.i.i. . jaw which. was a. little . chip that i have a little bit on but he was a yacht in my seat you have my good only yasuko does we still need to move or can be really. gloomy is given as it was but after a while. well you get into a general view of this it hugely funny gentlemanly. thought young babies get a look a look live may looted a few fish bilinear thought all of them were. the

fisherman of true god he bandar part of the people a muslim minority among the kurds coast and the other history here goes back over 200 years they typically don't show up in any statistics or registries officially they don't even exist at least not as people whose lives needed to be taken into consideration by tata when it built its power plant they are the unaccounted for the ordinary people who get in the way of great change or at least in the way of

great greed. while buddha is my own watches the daily catch arrive a fishing village on the other side of the world is waking from it slumber. there are no cars and bought it out of colorado just books. away. i get to know a man named carlos martinez and his wife maria mendez who like most people in the village live off of the shrimp and lobster catch. it's been this way for generations since their ancestors settled here they too are the unaccounted for the people who lost their lands to the plantation barons of the 19th century. as we get

to know each other i learned to appreciate both of them the certainty with which they trudge through a life that really has no certainty and certainly has very little money. on. the ocean is often fickle the shrimp only come twice a year and sometimes not at all still carlos doesn't want to think about any other kind of work and around here there was no other work anyway. there are no streets leading to bought a delicate auto all there is is a river that flows into the caribbean just a few kilometers away from the village. the fishermen call the transition to the sea the barrier indeed when the sea rears its temperamental head it can be an unbreachable obstacle for their boats. but when you love the ocean it will love you back as unpredictable as it may be a good percentage of the animal it was general for than any of it was the animal i

mean the candidate goes on about i retire about a boy oh no no no no no no not at all in a 0 sum or doing that was he on a. typically they fish with 2 to 3 boats. nobody goes out alone. let that. shit without. their. shrimp are caught using dragnets that have steel weights so the fishermen can drag them across the ocean floor in industrial deep sea fishing this method is justifiably controversial but the small time shrimp fishing in the caribbean really have to be outlawed as a result. i want to remind the county thing through mental you know being getting anything out of his gun come i don't. eat the money i come with i

want to go out again if $1.00 of the it has a knife went in it all over your brand new one the best one i want that sort of it and i was in the luncheon ahmad's think i'm going to come out only as one of the gate. gathered but he was already an adult and well. you know i wasn't well when you have grown with one of the judge or the well i mean that is until the parent and all this when i've got to get it but if. it does it i'll get out of there but then i get on the most common the muslim and more like more when you land about it and you know coming out and then. you get more and more people are coming home but i'm going to tell you that me and when i'm going to a good morning of course i'll go to you my dizzy i knew i was already below my dizzy i knew he was ok i would have thought i had to get in front of the head of one as a part of one of. the sale of them and then when they could i'm going to have come

to the new. england you'll meet that is the people's united the own bolt. when i send them check up arabia has got them i don't want residency input going up arabia so you know that i would have that in those they had bottles and then see alec and i can say is here because there's a young black those who are and see me and ek united on. i don't matter unless they pull your own for a lot of money and you know through your day and it was he and the people going up as a model that's what the nearly 1000000 they say out of paris and i meant it but i mean nobody out on the field they have a piece got a. better i mean i hand the campus out there in the new. i'm back out all i want you know as i know that at. any moment of this and if keep it up is. that i mean if it isn't it is simply out of the you know by the always. the.

case of chavez is the founder and president of a fishing cooperative that for 4 years now has been fighting a tenacious battle against far reaching decisions taken in the distant capital he doesn't do it for himself but for his neighbors and his village. beyond fishing there is limited opportunity for making a living and feeding a family and bought a democrat auto and the business profits are minimal and most people don't even fish for more than what they need themselves it's. the places distinguished by an unusual sense of social connection and warmth. most visitors would think bought a dell colorado just fell out of some imaginary world be on time but the problems here are very real.

and i think that that. the narrative. that are there. there are between 6 and 8 men promote with a net that weighs one and a half tons and a beach to pull their catch i'm sure. that's how neil susanto and his team fish on the coast of western sri lanka and. to the detriment of the fishermen in this area more and more hotels have sprung up for tourists from all around the world.

by the way going to particular one didn't mind. the hole they were going to be able to deal with no. real ability and. it was. a bit of activity were up we were negative ads didn't. appeal even. that it was a big whopping negative now we will not be. going to that they were lucky we didn't . get to now out of the meeting are going to have my own nightly. on their money that the money the money the money that i love will have a negative energy to it. i would. make a good mood or you know when i leave you. with a you know. a little bit of mood or you know wanna.

governor. some of us are there in the garden and i want to. say. well below me but in the man i am going to. be careful they were going to do it. when i meet meal susanto for the 1st time he still doesn't have a license telling him which section of the beach he is allowed to use. his fishing anyway though. after all he needs to provide for his family and pay his $12.00 employees. as a kid meals wife mari was 90 experienced firsthand how her parents were driven from

the fisheries off the coast of nigam bow about 200 kilometers south of her new home she knows what happens when the hotels start popping up. that immortal galloping up any money money maybe to the bank give up the men and open up the town and one or 2 and up lemme tell what happened i didn't have a lot that happen that i know that you have to meet someone else other than if your . god is a sleepy village on the southern coast of kenya. nearly everyone here lives off the

ocean and they fish around the clock. compared to buddhist catches in india or the yields from carlos and bought a delicate arado the ocean is teeming with life here in kenya. and it has. only fishes during the day. while the night fishermen are still selling their catch on the beach he's getting his boat ready to go out. as a younger man could only think of one thing getting out of gaza. he traded his life in the village for temporary jobs in the city that is until he realized that he just couldn't live without the ocean. doesn't want to become like you just. look at some of the openings you. influential the moola on the body and if you know going to madison up and down it

on the muddy and open the open that's because you need nobody visible to discuss it is no use. for. the. big local be able to go preaching the open in the middle knuckle to. mean something like we who are together with the mangroves it's also the name of an unusual project through a british non-governmental organization. sell c o 2 certificates on the international emissions market with the proceeds community projects are financed to provide things like drinking water health care and the reforestation of the mangroves. single.

see we're trying to say i know what i mean me my. number. one trainee and if you don't on my heels you know. when you. see so much you do know not quite yet besides what you are. not to but yet they say you need to fund a meeting that we do need to. focus on in gaza environmental protection is a community effort and the cocoa camote is a successful project that relies on local knowledge and cooperation with the fisherman. in costa rica on the other hand carlos and his colleagues mostly view nature conservation as a form of prohibition imposed by a far away government from the shrimp dragnets of course turn up the ocean floor. but near the coast here there are no coral reefs or precious marine found that they can be destroyed by the nets. the seabed is entirely sandy in this area.

so how much damage can shrink fishing cause to justify the crusade being waged against it by environmentalists in the caribbean. according to the most recent studies none at all that what i'm going to be at they never going to get in the lobby and they i mean that is that. they're going to get a ban on going to the other places in minding minding my own accord and yet all this you see them being but i you provided though i mean the book that going on in that is not going as i you i mean i think a lot in that is that a good movie and. if i will get. that i'm going to do it you're going to be ending better in order that i will go to iowa and i'm going to want to get along the end of it with a little then i'm going to win a lot of that we're going to gaining a lot of that look at you i think that you're going to be one of those a but again but if you don't have thought about it then go back.

to fish for shrimp you 1st need to drag a net for about 20 minutes along the ocean floor. that is the easier part of the process. then comes the hard part. first the weights that hold the net on the ocean floor have to be hoisted up. over everything and. then the net is pulled back into the boat. sometimes it's fuller than others. carlos's calculation is simple one hour of dragging the net cost 6 liters of petrol which cost him about $6.00 euros one kilo of unprocessed shrimp fetches 3 year 0 so everything under 3 kilos is a loss on a good day he catches about $200.00 kilos in half an hour on a bad day even after hours of hard work he comes up with

a miserable yield that doesn't even cover his petrol costs or his personal needs. carlos and maria see ocean grabbing in this case an expansion of maritime conservation zones as a direct attack on their livelihood. and i intend you know those 4 months they really. wanted to city yeah. exclusion in this business. he can do it but. this is just this code askew you hate you'll put it in a queue it must go. in my man who is actually on his. list that is god is there in the big money sit in soused if you don't use. basically deals with. other. with money said ing

is the section of the most of us in positions. given rivera is a marine biologist and founder of the environmental group. for 4 years now she has been moderating discussions between the bottle colorado fish and co-operative and the government of costa rica. she's been making the journey to bought again colorado a lot in recent years. this time she's taking the long boat trip to prepare the fisherman of the cooperative for a national fisheries congress in the capital. many friendships have been formed over the years. or nothing at the end i think it does have seen in this is that it is good that the king is up work in the den in the store that the good is one of the foremost in

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neighborhood known to not sunday they have to loan. me out. only. i'm likin that the. every summer about $1000.00 muslim wagner families make the trek from their villages in the interior of the country to the standing fishing areas along the gulf of kush. all together they are about 10000 people. the fishing season lasts about 8 months during which they live in improvised shelters without electricity or water there's been no drinking water since the only fresh water well was spoiled by salt water from the discharge tunnel of the power plant. they primarily fish for bombay duck an indian ocean fish that is sold in dried form . the women of the family do the drying and processing under the attentive eye of

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i might. like her. in 2007 part tell founded a purchase a collective with other small fishmongers in the region. their goal was to help relieve fishermen of their debt by demanding higher prices on the markets for their fish. his effort helped create an environment of trust and friendship. came up with the idea of suing the world bank for damage compensation buddha immediately got on board. and then i realized here is a muslim and a hindu working together in a way that seemed incredibly natural to take on one of the most powerful organizations in the world.

so. you saw the world. too but i think you are lucky. to. raises the temperature in the outflow of the power plant. that warms the temperature of the water on the beach to over $35.00 degree celsius and a warm wind blows through the settlement it feels like a desert. every year the power plant burns $10.00 to $12000000.00 tons of coal. at full pelt that translates 263000 tons of c o 2 emissions per day. given

these numbers a c o 2 project in a small remote village on the kenyan coast would seem pretty insignificant at 1st glance. but that doesn't concern the people of gaza. what's important for them is that money coming from their trade and c o 2 emissions is flowing from industrialized countries into local development projects. gazi is an example of what is possible more and more villages along kenya's coast are taking that example to plan their own community projects to be financed by the trade in c o 2 emissions. physically come under the same i don't wonder from a couple of days when the same problem rather than a dozen dead ones i mean you know but it's most of them on the job for us and not for you not being 10100 pounds have been going to turn up you know but it's night and seems you don't know your mom was a monday night you're 21 years i guess the profile is of

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you get is laughter because it happens to everyone at some point. i'll finally go in mohali new bass i'm like i'm a mile and a person like you and i tell them why i now listen my god oh god oh go on i wish i were the one about to come after all and i can be a political. body cool my vote how under my shaming you. well how do you know when i was young i want to. you know was knowing i might have tucked him out of the pakatan was able to lead him to a call you know on bottom well enough but i have a ph and i said movie seeking seeking to god like you live in a market by the need to see what you like yes you can of yourself but another tornado not about going into another car go and see to a man going to tell you that the world. will know you r.c.c. . enough and guys up on local lucky me the impact is global. player

a change. in the unions the mom experience over key to a much looking any final night when. i'm up yearning to look for. new if you know more than an easy. sell certificates for $3000.00 tonnes of carbon dioxide emissions every year. every tonne is worth $6.00. that translates to $18000.00 per year for the village over the next 20 years.

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need. because skin has been got empty $0.70 biscuit has been subsisting so we're not going to ship it that is against the b.c. honest extremists they considered us feel mighty dumb when to let. this bill to us complicit in sickbay ordered biskit or at the center. of the city when listening to this day had ideas but the he seemed. good sense but invisible stuff perspective is only repossessed. what really hit me about this situation that there are interest groups in nature conservation who demand that small villages give up their livelihoods for maritime conservation zones and in the process end up taking their homelands away from them . these people need to be taken care of by the government. but

what sense do these landscapes make without the people who live their life. wouldn't it make more sense for all of us to live more sustainable lives especially in industrialised countries. what was it that carlos said. you never see those environmental activists out here in our communities. because they're. gushing dressin is mare of navi now punch-out in western india. he owns a number of cotton fields and date plantations. his yields have dwindled since the top power plant began operation. the carbon dust settles relentlessly over his fields and trees and the groundwater is now salivated. he's led the village

resistance against the power plant. it nearly home you know the one hand they can mend no one has a. no one guy you know you know when they were home or if they would look up the i was you got to do dependency wise you got to cut the movie a great deal of money. we cannot be open. yet many subsequent do you have been doing. our project mental development. of the. way because name when opening my eyes even. seen warne's i have to mean holding. a modest sum. is project. for me some of them.

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fortunately the weather changed last night. the ocean has made itself available once again to the needs of its residents who are now busy at work without worrying that the coast guard will interfere in them only. i mean that i love you and i mean. i want to be getting a lot i mean it is. going to bag. a little. bit we're not going to. the end of the man at the moment and i'm. i've been over that i'm not. going to save the money. again.

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out of the north and the currents led them to the right fishing grounds. after getting a glimpse into the lives of hasan and the fishermen in india sri lanka and costa rica i think to myself that the future of our oceans would be better left in their hands. i think you will feel how do you mean when you look when you come on the. new cool down values need one then you call for mine and you'll. always be the knowledge of what i'm going to be. one of the you know the new anyone i mean we do it with us even in the. book that we. they're. in the media of course then them look at these i was on the. left on the ng they wanted to have your

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the end of our film there actually is a happy ending one in which the ordinary people succeed in their fight against developments that are seemingly beyond their control. on the 27th of february 29th tain the us supreme court ruled in favor of my indian friend is mine. the decision ended the absolute immunity of world bank affiliate i have see from lawsuits in u.s. courts from now on the world bank is accountable to people affected by its investments and it can be sued for damages by anyone in the world.

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this is the news these are all top stories. nato defense ministers have been discussing. the situation in northern syria and efforts to stabilize the region turkey's recent incursion into northern syria and its collaboration with russia and nato arrival have been causing tensions the german defense minister's proposal to create an internationally enforced security zone received a lukewarm reception. bolivia's president evo morales has declared himself winner of the country's presidential election official results gave him a lead of more than 10 percentage points enough to win outright his main rival carlos messer has led days of protests claiming the count was rigged. with. the jailed weaker activist he has been on a date with this year's soccer of prize for his work defending china's we go minority beijing's crackdown has seen more than a 1000000 we girls locked up in internment camps until he himself sentenced to life

for separatism the award is the european parliament's top human rights prize parliamentarians praised his attempts to build bridges with china's han majority. this is news from berlin. turkey has put us in a terrible situation that's what the u.s. secretary of defense said today at nato headquarters in brussels the question on everyone's minds what to do about turkey and the kurds what to do about turkey and the russians russian troops will soon patrol syria's northern border making turkey yet another nato member with musk ells military muscle just an arm's length away i'm bored golf in berlin this is the day.

what happened very candid about this turkey put us all in a very terrible situation the direction of turkey with regard the alliance is heading in the wrong direction. on any number of issues we see them spinning closer to russia's orbit there is a new situation in terms of explaining ourselves and being understood at the moment as we see differences when the comes to the situation in northeast syria i think in prison early on that was fixated on making this incursion now to them we share the values in missions of nato we completely abide by nato his concept of defense we'll . also coming up at 39 chinese men and women found dead in the back of a truck outside of london police suspect human traffickers are to blame tonight you'll hear from a man whose life was once in the hands of traffickers he was lucky he lived to tell about the traffic his thing they got him in scenes of how they're actually

accessing getting into vehicles and bringing my migrants 3 you know the trafficking there was simply not enough being done in terms of security. and to our viewers on. vs in the united states and all around the world welcome we begin the day with nato and its turkish dislike in the past 2 weeks turkey has invaded another country faced sanctions from the u.s. as a result and then pulled itself back by agreeing to share power at its border with syria with the russian military now this is not how a member of nato was supposed to act when no one at nato headquarters put it that directly to day but it's safe to say many were thinking it turkey has put nato in one of the most awkward and volatile situations in the alliance's history but turkey's strategic value remains more important and that means native secretary general young children back has to handle on her own with the new ones of

a diplomat and not the heavy hand of a disciplinary and what about russia its influence in syria is no longer challenged by the us russian troops will soon patrol syria's northern border along with turkish forces putin has exactly what he wants today nato welcomed an idea from germany calling for russia and turkey to be part of an internationally controlled safe zone in northern syria must quickly dismiss that idea saying there's simply no neat. a russian patrol winds its way through the syrian town of commission on the border with turkey only weeks ago u.s. forces patrolled here now the guard has changed. russian forces share control of the border with turkish troops and with the syrian army in a buffer zone that is 30 kilometers deep. fascination summit in

brussels secretary-general yan stoltenberg welcomed the arrangement the result of a deal between russian president vladimir putin and his turkish counterpart to red chip tayyip addle encouraged by the fact that it also had a spirit of seeing a significant reduction in violence in fighting and we have to build on that to work for a political solution of the crisis in syria hundreds have died and peasants have been displaced since turkey launched its attack on the kurds on october 9th designers at st sun destruction this is a town of ross a line under turkish control after fierce fighting a cease fire has been declared to allow kurdish troops to pull back but fighting still fared up on thursday. they are due on has not ruled out

further military strikes sharing to us you know our soldiers and syrian national army up are trolling the area of operation inch by inch and they are destroying the traps if any of these terrorists come across us there it is i'm not sure right to crush them as it is already marked in written documents. they're used the president also said he would send syrian refugees in turkey to your up. they panic when i say we'll open the gates to just don't panic. well when the time comes the gates can be opened. which is it's a threat he has made before to silence criticism of turkey's offense of you know the words of a nato member there we'll talk about that i'm joined now by our correspondent in brussels teri schultz terry is covering the nato summit for his good evening to you terry so what was it like today when all of the nato defense ministers when they came together was was turkey the black sheep in the room and what about the u.s.

was there criticism of what the u.s. did withdrawing its troops from northern syria. well brant i'm told that everyone around the room all the allies did criticize turkey did say that they weren't happy with the turkish with the turkish actions but that's something they said before they were basically repeating criticism that they've all said as individual governments or across town in their european union hats but it didn't go further than that and actually i was surprised to hear that that there wasn't a lot of heat in the room and in fact the united states has has come out of this quite well a week ago yes we heard criticism that the u.s. had pulled out its history soldiers which you know basically kept the turks from staging this incursion earlier we didn't hear that today. germany has proposed an internationally administered safe zone in northern syria let's take

a listen to how the nato secretary general you become he described reaction to the german plan today the german defense minister she she briefed allies on her thoughts on the way forward. again i think it is broad support for the of a political solution. and also. ways to try i think each the international community to support such a political solution. i don't think that i heard addressed the russians who have already dismissed this german proposal did he leave them out intentionally do you think. well i tried to get him to do that i asked a question specifically about whether turkey had expressed its willingness to accept this german proposal and whether it would lead the way in convincing russia also to accept an international presence and he really didn't respond to me in the

in the press conference on the topic of russia and it is surprising to hear the nato secretary general and other governments basically accept the results of this turkey russian deal because that's going to mean that russian forces are just a few miles from from nato is border and truly they are not comfortable with it but it just doesn't seem like anyone is getting details out of turkey on exactly what that deal means in turkey remains strategically important to nato i guess that's part of the the problem but it appears to be forging closer ties with russia so what do you think this means to nato and its units moving forward. it is a problem for nato and u.s. defense secretary mark esper mentioned that specifically in a speech he gave this morning he said that turkey has always been a real reliable ally but it seems to be turning more toward russia and less toward the west and he really urged on korea to change that direction at the same time

that this isn't completely new for turkey you know it did by a russian missile defense system the s 400 instead of a western missile defense system and they blame the west for forcing them into that they said the u.s. didn't want to sell its system and there is some talk that the european union having put a partial arms embargo on turkey is going to do even do to push that even further that they're going to look even more closely at russia as an arms supplier so it's a very complicated situation right now and i think that's why we're not hearing more crystal clear ways forward nobody knows exactly what to do you've got to keep turkey inside nato nato is better off that way the thinking goes and turkey is better off that way so there's really no discussion of of turkey leaving nato or being kicked out but nobody knows exactly how to truly bring it back psychologically politically into the fold of western allies yeah it's a geo political love hate story. in brussels covering the

nato summit force thank you. still ahead on the day another face to face between a facebook c.e.o. mark zuckerberg and the u.s. congress guess who lost face this time. are you saying you're not qualified to be a content monitor. you know congresswoman that's not i'm so when you say you're not willing to do. we are slowly learning more about the 39 lost souls that were discovered on wednesday in the back of a truck outside of london today china's foreign ministry confirmed that they were all chinese nationals police are still holding the driver of that truck for questioning but they have not charged him police raided several homes in northern ireland today as they investigate what is looking like one of the u.k.'s worst human trafficking disasters. it's britain's largest murder investigation in years police are still trying to piece together what happened to the $39.00 bodies

found in this truck. it's also a tragedy which has touched many in this community. completely and utterly shocked and devastated that that's actually happened here today specially in this area i mean my money my money down the road my dad works down there so i you know i drive down all the time so for that to happen is completely shot detectives want to know the exact route the truck took on its way to the industrial park on the outskirts of east london. this footage shows the vehicle passing by 2 separate c.c.t.v. cameras shortly before the bodies were discovered. british police a facing and europe wide investigation it's known that dory has gary number plates and passed through the port of support in belgium the truck's driver was from northern ireland forensic investigations along under way but police say the victims

are chinese nationals 8 women and 31 men late wednesday offices towed away the truck. mismatches attractive natural and international interest in that city imperative that the operation is conducted. that. people say life. may get inside them and not so nice to sit there with their families for now they are still more questions than answers in this one case which of horrified many britons. well there is one man who more than any of us knows the terror in fear that those 39 chinese men and women must have experienced before taking their final breaths walked in the back of a truck his name is. and he joins me tonight from the east midlands in britain our money it's good to have you on the day we appreciate you taking the time

tonight to talk with this you fled your home in syria back in 2015 and you began a 55 day long odyssey to reach the u.k. maybe it could you give us an idea of what you went through during those 2 months thanks for having me so back in 2015 i had to take the very hard decision of moving out of the region was up already the country syria my home country in 2013 after the bombing and the shelling and these so i moved to the stand when i was working there but then with the fall of the city of mosul and the rape of isis and the tragedies that happened to defeat peace. including the the years edis months of plots that the violence that up witnessed there have pushed me to to to to move further afield so i moved back to to see in buddhist who took you from there with

the help of a smuggler. across in a dainty on a boat the 1st time i was captured and went on a boat to greece and there are now getting paid passport. in athens and i flew to mars say and then to cali spent about 2 weeks in cali you know in the jungle trying to chase these cars and lorries in the back of traitors and containers and traders trying to cross and eventually a man east and to cross near the danish german borders and they made it to the u.k. where were you when traveling alone and how did how did you find a driver or a truck that you could basically hitch a ride in how did that how did that work. so for me because i was not familiar with the european geography so what tunes were tended intended to have been a time into them 141516 we would have 100 probably thousands of

these facebook groups where you had different people advertising that this is the now this is the person this in the phone number you can call them you can check them and also people recommending this don't do this do that she always full full of others you know made this journey is to see you call them and to ask how is this person is that person is so full of their guidance you know we'd be still don't know the details surrounding these 39 chinese men and women who died in the back of that truck outside of london this week but i want to ask you what went through your mind when you heard the news about these 39 people die it was early morning and i received an interview cation on my move on the b.b.c. breaking news and i did not read the news a just with a headline and i was shocked i. was devastated because immediately came to mind was my experience big you know kept in the back of one of the threes

or you know containers back in cali almost you know freezing to death and suffocating in a horrendous situation and eventually started to knock you know and eventually we're you know we were let out so mine once you know. i was like because someone came and helped me get out and like what happened to these you know 239 people who lost their lives yeah i mean i don't think any of us can imagine what it must be like if we haven't experienced it i wonder. how often do you relive that nightmare of being walked in a refrigerated truck commune is it something that you know grabs your thoughts when you least expect it still. i think i never think about it i mean it it's very difficult i don't think about it i think it's but when i went out with

this then it just takes me very hard because you know dealing with the symptoms of this it's not easy and even though sometimes i try to avoid closed places because of all the experiences that i've been through even sometimes when i go to the tube station and regret i try to be close to that door because of you know what happens when you have this team what do you feel when you think about the person or the persons who walked the 39 people in the back of the truck leaving them to die i mean nothing more than criminals who do not can i don't hear him alive symon 39 souls in lost their lives and for many of these you know smugglers and human traffickers they do not see you as a human being they see you as as a commodity as money. and its interest here is terrible because i've been in many

of these containers and you know is before may it's terrible but these people don't care because because there's a city there after money are you are you happy that your home is now the u.k. i don't think the word happy i don't know it's it's there were words here i think i'm. i feel lucky to be a life here save where there's no plumbing there's no shelling there's no you know torture there's no rest there is no disappearances that i can go to bed safely this evening knowing that my family my girls my little children won't be killed you know . they won't be kidnapped this is the whole point of the whole journey and before we let you go i want to ask you how do you feel when people there in the u.k. talk about brags it and immigration how does it strike you when you hear the

discussion. it is very complex but i think for me personally on a personal level since i arrived in this country over all the the people i mean every day experiences right in countering people and these interactions has been overwhelming give me you know i'm positive people are welcoming i was supported i was you know helped in fact you know after i got mad if you just did as i did with an english family for about the weeks and later my family came from syria on a new visa and was also offered a property by another you know a landlord and later on i was up for the scholarship to do my masters like and it's my much the university of london and later on i was also given opportunity to do full time work so i'm working i mean over all you know when he comes to you to do migration unfortunately if you look at the media it's been you know described

negatively but every day life and experiences and interactions people are passionate when when you talk about a human to human experience if you were there with these figures and numbers and charts and you put a human face it i think many people can't relate well have i have to say it's very reaffirming to to hear someone with your experience is able to see the the positive and the humanity in all of us i think that's something we can all use more of up with average sheed joining us tonight from england of the we appreciate your time and we appreciate you sharing your story thank you all of us thank you very much. facebook doesn't use its employees for the hardest jobs in the company you've got about 15000 contractors watching murders stabbings suicides other gruesome disgusting videos for content moderation cracked congress from yes i believe that's correct these workers get 99 minutes of supervised well less time per

day that means 9 minutes to cry in the stairwell while somebody watches them. would you be willing to commit to spending one hour a day for the next year watching these videos and acting as a content monitor and only accessing accessing the same benefits available to your workers i'm not sure that would best serve our community for me to spend that much to clean my time as i prefer i spend a lot in my time and mr secor burger you saying you're not qualified to be a content monitor you know congresswoman that's not him so ok then you say you're not willing to do it and that was just one of the many dressing downs that facebook c.e.o. mark zuckerberg endured today on capitol hill mr zuckerberg went to washington this time hoping to convince lawmakers to support his company's new digital currency libor but it didn't quite work out as planned to talk about that i'm joined now here at the big table by sophia diogo mighty as she manages de w.'s main english

language facebook page and she works in social media strategy she knows a thing or 2 about facebook's if it's good to have you on the show. what what was your impression today just by the the appearance of the performance of zuckerberg i mean was he clueless as to why these lawmakers were being so critical. well brant i would say he was clueless i think he was a lot more prepared than last time clearly the facebook staff made an effort to inform him in preparing for the lines of questioning it felt to me like he was a lot more prepared on the policy issues regarding labor he wasn't expecting all the other car questions and that tied in in the minds of the congressmen and women and the postal service committee to with libra so those decisions which are out 400 a shift that content moderators that facebook have to do if you're not willing to acknowledge also the impact the emotional impact that this has on people and i

don't think you can tackle the bigger issue because these 2 just can't be done they can't be separated why do you think there is the disconnect with him and content moderators we've had them on this program before the ones who work here and you know the they go through what every shift i mean what they're what they're seeing and what and i just don't think you think that these decisions are important or something that should be thought about face the nation isn't it yeah it is i mean if you look at the early days of facebook it was all about the platform is not responsible for the content on the platform remember and that of course is change but i get the impression that he still wants to go back to the early 2000 when not be held responsible for what is on facebook and the congressmen and women yesterday made that point very very clearly because he has a said several cases i believe in court at federal and state level against being liable for the content for the transactions for the dad and for what happens to

that so i think he does i think he wants to maintain that status quo and facebook has had this issue in which it doesn't see itself as a publisher and the traditional sends it says that it doesn't host conference not a media company but then it also says that these decisions should be something that they decide on soviet unfortunately we're out of time thanks for coming in please come back there's a lot to talk about thank you. the day is almost gone the conversation continues online and we will see you tomorrow tomorrow is another day. of the fun. things.

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