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tv   Reporter  Deutsche Welle  November 3, 2019 5:15pm-5:30pm CET

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but the burger and fries have yet to expire a webcam live streams the combo meal 24 hours a day somewhere else a hostel in southern iceland. coming up next reporter with a look at the 2 women who were targeted by east germany's security service the stasi you can get all the latest news and information around the clock on our website that's the dot com more news in 45 minutes. you're. hurt.
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i want out i want freedom we were treated like criminals dangerous criminals. state security file is hundreds of pages thick. yeah yeah it was here when this was east germany the state security watched and harassed the 2 women because they wanted to leave for west germany. 30 years have passed since the berlin wall fell.
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on. does geissler mean anything to you. know just silence or do you want to ring the bell. mr silas door and my gawd and then what do you think you'll have to talk i can't even remember him. or follow a known as aber have returned to the house in berlin where they once lived the ex neighbors still lives there but he's not home. for the 2 women find their way in. just look at this place through looks a lot less to silca than it does to me i don't think it's all that bad it's. i think it's pretty groovy. it's not charming. we had our window at the very top almost over the corner. all.
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shined and looks like someone lived there now. when she lived here as a young woman how life was anything but private from the stairwell across the courtyard the east german state security watched her through a kitchen window. the tree was much smaller than. i was even dizzy did you see the stars the people standing there. i didn't know until i read it. we never would have guessed. that they were standing here. they read about it in the start the file among the hundreds of papers are intercepted letters private mail official correspondence lots of informants report. even the ground pam of the loner i'm still close apartment. on april 30th 1980
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7 am convinced observation at residents of this light was on in the kitchen and the window was half open. after 15 minutes the light went out save her left the apartment alone and proceeded on foot toward the summary to address a subway station. or noise at 7 pm the subject was not in the apartment a match stick wedged into the door was still in the place mentioned. this surveillance was there and it but then that all over that it. is a month had been my only someone was spying on my life and i had no idea what went in they describe me as a person from their point of view it wasn't an especially friendly one. that left me with an unpleasant feeling. for years i wanted nothing to do with that i didn't even want to read it. as
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a start but i live with it absolutely it's been my experience that you always get through better if you live with the circumstances. but not integrate it into your life take it along and don't let it get to you and i. think. that's the only way for this thing. like why were the 2 young women being watched. they had moved to east berlin from the countryside and found well paid jobs typist with noise and the official newspaper of the ruling socialist unity party ironic since they hardly toed the party line. i'm glad i don't have to work here anymore this is so. it's worth the money and it's as if you're looking at another life this has had as if it almost had nothing to do with your own life now i mean to me it's distant.
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it's not asked that was the 1st part or not to lift i'd seen in my life and the 1st time i jumped on i panicked about jumping off again just because i thought it turned upside down at the top of the marketing head of the paper which still called itself socialist takes us around the building and down memory lane. and there was also mizuki oh but she killed herself and then i caught that inch partial impersonal. yeah she hired me. and fired. zuko using her maiden name spa and the lawn as they were decided to leave east germany they kept applying for exit visas if clay flung back i doubt the credibility of the states now that i've had this lex parents of how little human rights are respected in east germany that yes. dear mr hanukah all these
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absurdities involved in processing an application for an exit visa are giving me more and more doubts about the system. for word quickly got around to the newspaper . as expected coworkers so closely tied to the party line and the patients for what they saw as callous disloyalty. we had become invisible. nobody spoke to us anymore nobody greeted us we kept on working a little but we were treated like criminals dangerous criminals and that was pretty sad because we had all got along very well before. we had not only worked together but partied together to. eventually they were both fired from noise and their future prospects were looking bad not just professionally. desponding deliberately spawn say bus to living in the noise and apartment personnel department has told them to vacate the apartment as quickly as
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possible and look for work as the living space is urgently needed by the noise and bring in printer to fit. and in fact they threaten to forcibly evict us on it and we've been to bring in a west german camera team for them so nothing happened to. our friend posse of the next. but this is this is it oh no end of horrors. that was here yeah that was here. but the system hit back in this official building. yes it was really terrible here the 2 women were summoned here again and again for interrogations gnostic i was. god we got a very physical feeling but no memory just a bad physical feeling like. i'm getting butterflies in my stomach yeah yes not good not good at all god. eventually the interrogation
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stopped. today this is the home this administration building. would be moved it's called it was down there by the next seating area at least that's the feeling i have. was and that's what kind of feeling is that kind of not good. no not a good one not fun at all. not a good feeling once you do you want to go there. and you know i feel queasy somehow . and yes let's go there. it's like you have to return to the scene of the horror. but i feel really awful physically really awful i could just start crying or. think go ahead and. i think it was down there not at the same. thing i'm pretty sure here.
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i'm sure to you. today they see the interrogations it's extremely degrading. to goose all the way they greeted you was like yeah i can see right off that they're tramp's and in such a nasty tone of voice. that all the manner of the 2 applicants was insolent demanding and very arrogant. in mark the islands. you always had this fear that you couldn't go mall and now's a good come because you'd be taken to prison that's how menacing it felt to us look at all here so important for the so it was like what cheryl it's enough just across the street wrongly where everywhere such a massive threat it's. very member very well the names of the stasi offices. called. friends would you like to meet them again night no. not that i
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know. absolutely not. and of course i wouldn't be able to hide how much i despise them and when i despise someone i don't want to have anything to do with them. these events took place over 30 years ago. this was now the start the record states and fi has provided access to their files. for the 1st time the 2 women have talked to the younger generation about why the rift that we thing to get out to the star many. is doable i wanted out i didn't want anyone dictating that i live here even if it was socially equitable but we didn't want that and at that age you're brave enough to go ahead and act on it so what is doesn't is just as much as most doesn't even
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know i'm for the most common the fact that i couldn't get out but i could only go to a few countries that i was allowed to visit i just couldn't accept that i couldn't accept the way things were missed on me and so i thought no i want out i want freedom laws even if i had. desire for freedom almost landed her in prison but she found work and protection in a church community. my muses. about 9 months later i was through the application just. because i married the pastor. but the pastor could only marry one of you right. then have your belief and then i wondered if there weren't other ways. i thought about marrying about gary and citizen and emigrating through bug area. but then i realized that my
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nerves and my strength were totally shot. and we weren't living together anymore. so we couldn't support one another. i'm not sure if that was the reason but i just didn't have the strength. both of them withdrew their final applications at the start of the 80s. had a baby and unexpectedly got permission to leave for the west. as a pastor's wife zuko fall was also allowed to go to spin this distance what we've been through an experience but it's there somehow it's all paid off to sea for me and he's playing the fiddle. ok plus my dream as a teenager was to see the world now i fulfilled it. provide. hope for.
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