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to talk about some. countries. spittles i went out i want freedom we were treated like criminals dangerous criminals. state security file is hundreds of pages thick. you know it was here when this was east germany this big security watched the rest the 2 women because they wanted to leave the west germany. 30 years have passed since the berlin wall fell.

what it is does geissler mean anything to you. know just sila why do you want to ring the bell. mr silas door and my gawd and then what do you think you'll have to talk i can't even remember him. and long as they both have returned to the house in berlin where they once lived their ex neighbor still lives there but he's not home. for the 2 women find their way and. just look at this place through looks a lot less to silca than it does to me i don't think it's all that bad yes. i think it's pretty grubby. it's not charming. we've got our window at the very top almost over the corner. all.

and that looks like someone lives there now. when she lived here as a young woman how life was anything but private from the stairwell across the courtyard the east german state security watched her through a kitchen window. the tree was much smaller then. i was even dizzy did you see the stars the people standing there. i didn't know until i read it. that we never would have guessed. that they was telling him. they read about it invest all the file among the hundreds of papers are intercepted letters private mail official correspondence lots of informants reports even the ground plan of the loan and still has apartment. so 1 april 30th 1980

7 am commenced observation at residents of this light was on in the kitchen and the window was half open. after 15 minutes the light went out several left the apartment alone and proceeded on ford toward the summary to address a subway station. or noise at 7 pm the subject was not in the apartment a match stick wedged into the door was still in the place mentioned. surveillance was then ended but then the control over that and that. is a month had been my only someone was spying on my life and i had no idea what went in they described me as a person from their point of view but it wasn't an especially friendly one. that left me with an unpleasant feeling. for years i wanted nothing to do with that i didn't even want to read it. as

a star over there but i live with it. it's been my experience that you always get through better if you live with the circumstances. but not integrate it into your life take it along and don't let it get to you and. that's the only way politically. why were the 2 young women being watched. so they had moved to east berlin from the countryside and found well paid jobs typist with noise and the official newspaper of the ruling socialist unity party ironic since they hardly told the party line. i'm glad i don't have to work here anymore this is so. will the money it's as if you're looking at another life this is had as if it almost had nothing to do with your own life now i mean to you it's distant.

a small task that was the 1st part or not to lift i'd seen in my life in the 1st time i jumped on i panicked about jumping off again just because i thought it turned upside down at the top of the marketing head of the paper which still calls itself socialist takes us around the building and down memory lane. 20th and there was also mizzou go but she killed herself and then i caught inch partial and personnel. yeah she hired me for. and fired. using her maiden. and the loan of a but decided to leave east germany they kept applying for exit visas if try flying back i doubt the credibility of the states now that i've had this next period of how little human rights are respected in east germany that. dear mr

hanukah all these absurdities involved in processing an application for an exit visa are giving me more and more doubts about the system. would quickly got around to the newspaper. as expected coworkers so closely tied to the party line had little patience for what they saw as callous disloyalty. we had become invisible. nobody spoke to us anymore nobody greeted us we kept on working a little but we were treated like criminals dangerous criminals and that was pretty sad because we all got along very well before. we had not only worked together but partied together to. eventually they were both fired from noise and the future prospects were looking bad not just professionally . desponding deliberately spahn save us to living in the noise don't shine department the personnel department has told them to vacate the apartment as

quickly as possible and look for work as the living space is urgently needed by the noise and. printer to it. in fact they threaten to forcibly evict us on it and we threaten to bring in a west german camera team for them so nothing happened. often positive the next. but this is this is it oh no end of horrors. that was here yeah that was here. but the system hit back and this official building. had to yes it was really terrible here the 2 women were summoned here again and again for interrogation nothing i was. sorry he got a bad physical feeling but no memory just a bad physical feeling like this is. real i'm getting butterflies in my stomach yeah yes not good not good at all. eventually the interrogation

stopped. today this is a homeless administration told. him it would be ministers of course it was down there by the next seating area at least that's the feeling i have. was and that's what kind of feeling is that kind of good. no not a good one not fun at all. not a good feeling once you do you want to go there and you know i feel queasy somehow . and yes let's go there. it's like you have to return to the scene of the horror. but i feel really awful physically really awful i could just start crying or. think go ahead and. i think it was down there not at the same. thing i'm pretty sure here.

i'm sure to. today they see the interrogations at the extreme degrading. and goes all the way they greeted you was like yeah i can see right off that they're tramp's and in such a nasty tone of voice. that all the manner of the 2 applicants was insolent demanding and very arrogant. in mark the islands. you always have this fear that you couldn't go minus. because you'd be taken to prison that's how menacing it felt to us to look at all of us all and. so it was like watch out it's enough just across the street wrongly we were everywhere such a massive travels that. very member very well the names of the stasi offices. called. friends would you like to meet them again and i don't know man. that i

know are absolutely not. off the island and of course i wouldn't be able to hide how much i despise them and when i despise someone that i don't want to have anything to do with and. these events took place over 30 years ago. now the stasi record sage and fi has provided access to their files. for the 1st time the 2 women have talked to the younger generation about why they risked everything to get out of east germany. it's doable i wanted out i didn't want anyone dictating that i live here even if it was socially equitable but we didn't want that and at that age brave enough to go ahead and act on it would just as ministers to some of us most doesn't even know

i'm for was common the fact that i couldn't get out that i could only go to a few countries that i was allowed to visit i just couldn't accept that i couldn't accept the way things were. going to be and so i thought no i want out i want freedom laws even if i had. desire for freedom almost landed her in prison but she found work and protection in a church community. by music. about 9 months later i was through the application just. because i married the pastor. but the pastor could only marry one of you right. then have your belief and then i wondered if there weren't other ways. i thought about marrying about gary and citizen and emigrating from bulgaria. but then i realized that my

nerves and my strength were totally shot. and we weren't living together anymore. so we couldn't support one another. i'm not sure if that was the reason but i just didn't have the strength. both of them withdrew their final application for the start of the 80s. had a baby and unexpectedly got permission to leave for the west. as a pastor's wife zuko all fall was also allowed to go to school the list to stand what we've been through an experienced gets there somehow it all paid off the safety and. couldn't. get past my dream as a teenager was to see the world now i fulfilled it. for fun.

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after the fall of the berlin wall nov 9th on d.w. . first stone mason and his assistants are delivering a gravestone to a cemetery in the western german city of essen. the stone was designed in their workshop and cut and is.