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behind a wall or not. much i want to list for my grandmother had a telescope would often look at saturn and jupiter and its moons it was so cool and matter tycoon. even though i was born in january 1901 a year after the wall fell. and about the fact that it's incredible to think that my parents who seem so ordinary to me grew up in a dictatorship a place where tanks would sometimes roll through the streets that are just awful arab whites and move move move back up if you can while they used to be a law. i knew that it had been built and that my mother and my grandparents were
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trapped behind it that was the reality i grew up with guns know my best. brother and sister fans and antonia haditha and and their grandfather he grew up here in bend i washed asset which marks the border between east and west germany he learned this an early age how cruel that boredom was just coming in and after my
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own theatre i remember you telling us that you once looked out of the window onto the cemetery and saw someone attempting to escape through look back at the aftermath well yeah that's right. but that was long before the wall was built it was 1953 there in the east german uprising. 3 we saw a man crawling on all fours between the gravestones over there he was approaching the church grounds and our house was already quite close but we can see also that he was surrounded by armed guards and i was 13 it was a terrible thing to see he was a lost cause and there was nothing we could do we couldn't warn him we hid under the bed clothes pulled the blankets over our heads and then we heard the gunfire with can i hear that couldn't you have yelled from the window you know you have or you have now and then what. they had already been. spotted. there was no point in
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warning him with a gun he. had been a movie you'd have distracted the guards imitated birds or something for years then maybe. it was. your kid to plant lived in the eastern half of the city his home and the church where his father was pasto were demolished when the button wall was built then i washed the 2 was also demolished by the love of his life grew up she became a hugely popular politician in the pastry unification years. which was grandma's window this one those 2 on the left of the left window the left one year of. it looked on the pavement so if she stuck her head out of the window she always said her head was in the western or backside it was in the east her backside in the east branch and i'm quoting her if you haven't yet and you'd knock on the window. knock on the window on my way to choir practice. but it's all because of that it's
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funny to think that was right here the floor was probably here and this is where grandma would show her bed about her desk right here you know you. regain and you have to depend were married for 35 years until her death in 2001961 the balun wool was built literally on the doorstep composed of the stars about the washed cars i went out the door under brown hours transfer to buy a newspaper in the us. and i saw that barbed wire had been laid out on the east side of the street when for your stuff and there were police armed with machine guns. it didn't mean much to the rest of the world but it meant everything to.
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a couple who lived on one side and wanted to have breakfast with their parents on the other side 1st avoid grandparents who lived in the west and wanted to take their grandchild for a walk in hoboken park and all of a sudden you couldn't go from one street to another from one side to the other with . the wall divided and germany for 28 years. the wall is now in memory the city one again. studies humanities and works part time in the planetarium antonius studies physics they live just a stone's throw from the war memorial sites and from where their grandparents once lived. i know where it's by says i know it's where my grandparents lived and nowadays you see tourists milling around here all the time a little bit but of course it's also just where france lives and where i go to celebrate new year's or watch a football match or whatever but what i will. in history sounds
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a bit over the top but it's everywhere when you go out partying and you cross back and forth any number of times without thinking anything of it. and would no doubt have enjoyed that her grandchildren live so new to when she grew up she joined the social democratic party in 1909 gaining a reputation for plain speaking the successful reunification of the 2 geminis was always one of her key concerns this is actually that's why i say we need to participate in whatever way we can get involved you vote for for i was aware from the outset that the moment she entered politics greg you know would never let go and politics would never let her go she gave it her all. and not just for self but for the people she'd suddenly been granted responsibility for it's. down to i would have loved to have. spent
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a few days with her as the person i am now discussing ideas with my going. to the forward of the i'm 20 and france feel the differences between east and west in germany still linger there not sure if germany has growing together or apart. with sending them on a journey across eastern germany to find out visiting places where people are venting their dissatisfaction and disappointment. but come on let's have a song. to . just. come. to push it will. all right. no network. there's not exactly reliable internet around here but.
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much of the former east germany is struggling in the communist era the country was rundown and on the verge of bankruptcy since 1909 nearly 25 percent of the population has moved away. wow. there's little industry left here. antonia and funds are critical of coal mining like many young people today they're worried about the environment but in eastern germany coal is still important like knights or brown coal mining is a major employer and an integrity part of the region's identity zuko but slough has
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spent her entire working life in a coal mine i feel as safe as i'm about to start up the excavator 1st i'll give a warning and then i'll set the excavator in motion. i can dig all that up you see the cable is connected to the mast and the mast lifts the arm it's perfectly safe which is wobbles and it is all right i'll sit down. wow. is it has been operating an excavator for 35 years shifting up to 3 and a half 1000 tonnes of lignite per hour but germany is aiming to shut down all of its coal fired power plants by 2038 reunification hit this part of eastern germany hard now it's facing yet another copy for. action. but or is it just a dish but how do you feel knowing that it won't be long before these coal mines
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are closed down. the plane is that is too much it's all it's a very emotional issue for us when. we feel we're being vilified. we're made out to be the bad guys we're destroying the environment and we're responsible for climate change. in my opinion that's just rubbish. as well the mining industry does a lot to protect the environment but nobody talks about that of course coal mining has an environmental impact but the industry makes up for it to look again about cancer but can't you understand people's concerns why they're making these demands . of course they don't think miners are terrible people they think they're perfectly normal nice people who are doing their job as best they can but they want to protect the environment and bring about change so i look i've got nothing against environmental protection but not in this radical well.
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8000 people work in the lignite strip mines here the coal industry is by far the biggest employer in the region wide scale unemployment is a looming physical but if it brings back painful memories of what happened after $989.00 after reunification. it's a very difficult subject for me i've had to say goodbye to friends to colleagues who are also friends it's a very emotional thing you've lost your job i've kept mine it's hard for both sides . this is for because i can place so were you just lucky. whatever your job safe because it's killed. no one's job was safe one. you must have been afraid to of course. how much transformation can reach and withstand.
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a few kilometers from the mine moped enthusiastic gathered in the village of tower this is where the simpson s 51. pads were manufactured vacuum up was then communist east germany. which ones yours. when they were younger france and antonia also wrote made pads like these. you have to cling to the noise the smell it's all still there 30 years after the fall of the wall zim's on mopeds are really big thing here again it's young kids today like my son 14 or 15 year olds and think tank or with them all the time it's great to talk about it it's unfortunate when postal service you're still in the you know it's a symbol of values the good old days great stuff the colors all.
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right let's take this one for a spin so you can sit on it while you push. me and you can i go follow the met is glad to see the village taking pride in its heritage but in recent decades many locals left to find work in the west the area has rebounded somewhat but when the last mines closed they could be another exodus this bunch of you know it but there's talk again about structural change once the older generation don't feel affected they think they don't have long left anyway above us mom to your room but what about the young generation. in this nation in the they'll move away if the regional gov. don't manage to attract industry here. i'd say it's almost too late for that. to. be.
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hollow. dr i thought this was you. and tony and friends of visiting katherine cloud. is a retired lawyer oh. yeah how old were you when the wall fell to the math i was born in 47. so early forties projects i was 36 when i started studying. for the wall fell yes and in 1998 i ended my studies which were under the east german system. well it was as if my entire world had collapsed. ok so then what oh i see you've been studying a completely different legal system and wow that's crazy how infuriating so you had
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just finished your studies and the wall fell so it had all been a waste of time a total waste of time every weekend a colleague and i went to google to university in berlin to attend and listen menorahs on westerman law those were hard times of the a muslim heart obviously it must have felt very unfair your wrong what do you think now i mean as a lawyer when you look back on what happened then. you know it was unfair a new system was basically imposed on us we had to relearn everything and not everybody was able to adjust. i mean it must have been really tough being in your mid forty's having built yourself a whole life and then having to start all over from scratch i can't imagine what that must have felt like if i. didn't give up she went on to found a successful legal practice in front of her time. i was really shocked to learn how
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few east germans there are in executive positions it's a good film school if you want to i and yes out of 121 heads of federal ministries only 3 of them are from the former east as it can now it's like that across the board why is that do you think many people in the east lacked confidence and we were looked down on during reunification everything to do with the east was discarded. there are 16000000 east germans but few of them hold top positions across academia politics business media and you know.
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whether someone is from the still west germany is a question that still matters to antonia even though she was born after the fall of the wall so was her boyfriend nicholas. he grew up in western germany not far from the danish border. by the nazis when history happens on your doorstep a wall falls and 2 different systems collide then obviously it's something that's going to interest you. ok but it wasn't obvious that the 2 systems were that different industries because the same is of. the east germany was poor ok yeah but the simple fact that a wall was built to keep people in is a huge difference not. sure but my impression is that in the west
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we realized that in the east people had fewer material things of the view or products things like coffee bananas bluejeans and so on to kind of kind of bond on crime and so they were disadvantaged in that time to go on and so you knew that part and of course that you weren't allowed to travel or not it was just missed by a live report and you have western germans failed to grasp or see it meant to east germans to adapt to an entirely new system to switch from socialism and a planned economy to democracy and to free market economy all the rules had changed at work and in private knife to. 300 antonina has given me a different perspective. they made me think about it all much more a lot but since this is back but when i'm with antonio's family i still notice how much they talk about it the fall of the wall the east west issue. was enough in my
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family it's never mentioned we never or hardly ever discussed the east west question with for people in the west like my parents it didn't make much of an impact nothing much changed at the end of. the one half of germany little changed. to the other half the world's turned upside down on november the 9th 1909 when the wall found. was in the into november that's now in our thoughts the 9th of november 989 was my son's 18th birthday. he came of age in communist east germany so we had thrown him his 1st big party balls of fire and then comment on wolf then we got a call from a friend. telling us how the border was open so i was like what do you want
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about sure right it's open now it'll be open tomorrow. i didn't take it seriously but again i got wind of it there and then of course the party was over and in mine 58 of us piled into my little 5 seater our car and drove to borrow much trust or not going on a bridge on a fork of the crossing we heard was open to his eye. i. said then me i can still remember the particular quality of the light in the stony expressions of the border police who had no idea what was going on either and we crossed over and there we were in west berlin with this film. is that mansour because he was deeply moving were drove back after midnight and
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then again i wanted to go to the brandenburg gate. i. read the sunday as a teenager it seemed so exciting. you were trapped behind a wall you couldn't cross and then at some point you could run but when i saw the film footage i just thought it uncool they're wearing those crappy clothes those horrible bright colors as a teenager i just thought man who wears that sort of thing and they're hopping around on a wall of life in the head of the typhoon but by my mid twenty's i found those clothes totally cool and fun just became what no i. i i. i i i i'm.
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that. sunday morning francis helping his friend james band get ready to perform in the mile up the park next to the former wall this famous for its weekly free markets fold they want to be there to snag a prime spot. it's pretty crazy as musicians that you're trying to able to do this like put on like a proper show in the streets. you know and even the police walks by and it's like yeah keep going you know that's awesome to tens of thousands of people descend on the park every sunday a ready made audience up and coming bands. to bring. everything. the bigger crowd.
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was 3 murders. and. what's now one of the most free spirited places in berlin it was once aboard the death strip when east german guards were under order to shoot to kill if they saw anyone trying to escape. with. kindness and then tony his younger sister said celia has just moved to berlin the siblings often come to the park together. but how would you describe it to someone who's never been here you see the history
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you may know them our park so you're describing it to friends from out of town what would use. this but if. they could i'd say imagine this was once the death strip he was the wall and there was the war and now we can just walk along it and dance and play music. on monday you can see that that's the west over there you can see that the buildings on the one side are different from the buildings on the other and i tell them how wonderful it is that all these people gather here and party together that's what i'd say. almost 30 years it was a no man's land between east and west but. today the maui park is a major tourist attraction. i mean i love to dance in the park for me it's life for me it's like i love the atmosphere of the place the music the people everything about it i really hope. you know you have
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a it's kind of. really open and no further no boundary kind of place. if you want to do it you would think and if you want to be a hero. of people shoulder. ok i like it very much it's freedom and that's very good especially in the early. after the wall was built in 1961 you're going to regain a his department made a conscious decision to stay in the east they were critical of the communist system but they believed in change from within. i think
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the moment we were walled in. we did feel like we were trapped for the. but we did what we could to broaden our horizons and also to show our children that it's inner freedom that matters the most and that with that inner freedom you can do all sorts of things and achieve all sorts of things one has given the news. for that children that wasn't always easy to accept. is france and antonia's mother she finished high school just before the wall fell she'd always railed against the restrictions of life in east germany. does the food menace that is basically stimulus i felt like it wasn't real life or that we were somehow frozen in time and the world beyond was turning without you that was the dominant feeling for me my i longed for openness discussion all i can say is i didn't find any of
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that there and that was what i heard for and that and you knew that there was this other world by i imagine the west was something completely different we often went to the church of reconciliation and looked across the room just think we could actually see this other world you could see the double decker buses and the people in the street living lives that somehow seemed more colorful more vibrant more full of life it sounds ridiculous but when i was 12 i stood in front of the mirror and swore to myself that i wouldn't stay that i would leave the abbey i was on does it make you. sure enough in august 1909 foucault head of land fled to west germany via hungary and austria like tens of thousands of others that summer no one family included had the slightest suspicion that the wall would fold just 3 months later ish from either of those i didn't know when i would ever see my daughter again this
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is she wouldn't have been allowed back and we weren't allowed to go to the west because it was just awful for us better. we never expected to be back for christmas the same year but she was enough to go by with talking. oh. god. if. you. asked. for a copy of the book i knew how awful. it will go higher it would go ahead to plant entire family live in a village outside ballin there's almost always a full house. and politics is
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a favorite topic at the dinner table the family is alarmed by the rise of the far right in eastern germany. i keep telling people go and vote otherwise nothing will ever change that and almost 25 percent of the people in the state of brandenburg support the right wing populist party the a.f.d.c. with their political activism the hidden plans a keeping reggae in a spirit alive even today she's remembered fondly in eastern germany read widely. followed him 500 here i've just been so amazed in the last few days by how much people remember grandma. when you were traveling. yes she's like a superhero they really idolize her. to be honest i was almost shocked shocked because the excavator operator said that meeting regina hildebrand's grandchildren
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was like hitting the jackpot. why our out of yeah there's a lot to live up to. nowadays many in eastern germany feel there's no one on the political stage who represents that interests as i asked most for my clout as admission for a start it wasn't a reunification team one system simply imposed itself on the other that's i'm west germany didn't bother to even consider if there was anything in the east german system that could have been useful to fix the problem boosted cohesion they didn't think what aspects of east germany should we take a closer look at maybe keep they only cared about things that related to rectally to a market economy and that was a mistake but the. head of land often spoke to her children about the fall of the wall about the joy of weaned if occasion and the mistakes made in itself to mask.
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dresden is famous for its cultural landmarks but also as the cradle of the notorious piggy to movement which is nationalist anti islam and far right i. i. i support is regularly demonstrate against chancellor angle america's refugee policy against the idea of a multicultural gemini 50 times and antonia their extreme politics right nothing like it. when the piggy demonstrations began in 2014 and they struck a nerve at that peak they drew 10000 people today any a small step and course still take to the streets every week antonia and funds the meeting to be as if he's put on sunglasses as a journalist he's anything but welcome here. view of how often have you been here.
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over 100 times really that's quite something. to give it was founded in october 24th team so this year marks its 5th anniversary could you believe. there's a lot of dedication going into this. it's amazing how much time and energy is invested in something so pointless. it depends most people here don't think demonstrating is pointless. quite a few draw parallels with communist east germany they felt silenced then and claim to feel silenced today even though their unafraid to spread was a rough and overtly racist slogans the following after 7 i was at the demonstrations in 1009. prison on the move now is similar. you can't dismiss these people as nazis that's just rubbish there are thousands of people with grievances
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and they just want to express them bring with them then we give them didn't just this is our way of telling the government that a lot is wrong with this country shit off the street is closer personally i don't want to see islam take over germany if that's what you want fine but i don't and neither do most germans to me either so many. in fact the majority of people in dresden including to be a slow if you don't sympathize with the piggy to support as he says they've crossed too many lines with that inflammatory and racist rhetoric on the screen for michelle obama mentioned to me these people are lost causes you can't get through to them there's also a softer. at the very least that people who will accept the violence sloganeering in order to celebrate themselves as something better because that what judgement of us was on the us was a fortune was one of their secret data that gave his deputy leader green. is he going to kick us out. no he can't how could he call it. he seen us
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there but he's pretending to ignore us. there he gives during his man of the people frank. all that he has put those guys who are hanging around before also us doesn't go that far 1 but i was a sure guys whatever they like circling sharks exactly like the forces made the biggest supporters of a small but vocal minority but the fact remains the far right is gaining ground. it's good to but the to the there are right wing tendencies all over europe and there's donald trump in the us but here it's taken on a different dimensions it's not just about job losses an industry that's being shut down which is bad enough it's like the farm food it's the fact that there's been an entirely new society to adjust to daily life. values and. that's what i mean to say is there is no justification whatsoever for racism and
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marginalizing people that's completely totally wrong. but i can understand that people feel frustrated and left behind and that they struggle to identify with our society today describing efforts you know. the far right a.f.d. as seizing the moment in saxony a tented the state parliament in 2014 and is currently the state's strongest party after the city. antonio in france a meeting a.f.d. politician on the events it's not a conversation any of them exactly relishes but look you know i assume you know that we don't sympathize with the f.d.a. . or you don't after we don't i think the f.d.a. is pretty creepy to be honest. a minute of not at all the slogan on my election poster is there must be limits to immigration. and the f.d.a. was founded in 2013 which is when the 1st wave of asylum seekers arrived in germany
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and there was no firm political intervention you could not think. and you think most of them risked their lives and get in these rubber boats or just pure economic reasons to quote a majority yes that's my opinion. but used to being a racist i don't know why or not i can't explain it. if you have no clue what may be interesting to know why your party which you're active in is seen as racist it's an accusation meant to make us look bad like because it's nice to get there what about the terrible speeches denying history and the diatribes against homosexuals. that of aspect of it's a question of how the media instrumentalists is these issues in germany. people are labeled far right very quickly article young guns of what it is that i think of things that i don't know it's certainly true that given our history we germans have
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a particular duty when it comes to the expression of far right opinions that goes without saying the obligation to. transcendental spend an hour talking to and prevent but they find little common ground. with your stance that it's just very obvious to me that the democracy we live in can't be taken for granted and i'm very aware that it's not an especially good shape right now. everyone.
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it's monday evening and trance and his house mates are having a party. just a stone's throw from where their grandmother once lived from where the butler and move once stood from the former front line if the cold war the grandchildren a celebrating with friends from around the world and it's a america. dear friends dear antonia celia i'm sitting on the terrace at twilight it's peaceful you're mine and my 3 grandchildren sleep untroubled in front of me are photo albums that date back to when i was younger than you are now how times have changed. as a 943 when i was 2 the same age is serious now it was wartime we were evacuated from central berlin our home to the country shortly thereafter our home was bombed
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we lost almost everything we owned. at antonia's age i had experienced evacuation the end of the war back in berlin i lived in makeshift lodgings with a toilet in the stairwell i started over from nothing. when i was 8 france's age germany was split into 2 and remain divided for decades. when your mother was born in 1969 the wall was already 8 years old. you my grandchildren were born after the wall fell born in a unified germany a wonderful time a time of great joy. now i'm going to get political. it will be nice if we could get better at making our towns and cities proper communities of its argument where rich or the sick and the healthy the young and the old the disadvantaged any advantaged could live together and children would learn from early on how to get
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the psni part documentary starts november 14th on t.w. . place. to place blame blame. this is due to the news live from berlin germany monks 13 years since the full of the berlin wall fireworks and musical performances with the centerpiece of celebrations at the city's landmark brandenburg gate with thousands joining the posse also coming out. raging bushfires cut a swathe of destruction across east in his trachea thousands.
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