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thing about the stars in the sky is you can gaze at them whether you're behind a wall or not. much i want to score my grandmother had a telescope we don't often look at saturn or jupiter and it's moons he was so calm and so much a type. of you know i was born in january 1901 a year after the wall fell. because it's

incredible to think that my parents who seem so ordinary to me grew up in a dictatorship a place where tanks would sometimes roll through the streets just awful voice and. if you can mother used to be a law i knew that it had been built and that my mother and my grandparents were trapped behind it that was the reality i grew up with guns come out of it. i.

brother and sister afghans and then 20 ahead and and their grandfather he grew up here in bed and i washed asset which mounts the border between east and west germany he learned this an early age how cruel that border was is can we go in and after my own a theater i remember you telling us that you once looked out of the window onto the cemetery and saw someone attempting to escape that yeah fast well yeah that's right . but that was long before the wall was built i was 1953 there in the east german uprising. run through we saw a man crawling on all fours between the gravestones over there he was approaching the church grounds and our house was already quite close but we can see also that i did he was surrounded by armed guards and i was 13 it was. terrible thing to see he

was a lost cause and there was nothing we could do we couldn't warn him we hid under the bed clothes pulled the blankets over our heads and then we heard the gunfire. about it couldn't you have yelled from the window. and then what. he'd already been spotted. there was no point in warning him on he. had been a movie you'd have distracted the guards imitated birds or something orders them in . your kid to plant lived in the eastern half of the city his home and the church where his father was passed or were demolished when the berlin wall was built then i watched the 2 also demolished by the love of his life grew up she became a hugely popular politician in the pastry unification yes. which was grandma's window this one those 2 on the left side of the left window the left one year of.

it looked on the pavement so if she stuck her hand out of the window she always said her head was in the western or backside was in the east her backside in the east her backside i'm quoting her over here and you'd knock on the window and knock on the window on my way to choir practice. because of that it's funny to think that was right here the floor was probably here and this is where grandma would show on her bed or at her desk right here you know you. regain and you have to depend were married for 35 years until her death in 2001961 the ballon will was built literally on the doorstep composed of 2 stars about the washed cars i would. out the door under brown hours

transfer to buy a newspaper in the us with the staff and i saw that barbed wire had been laid out on the east side of the street when for the stuff and there were police armed with machine guns or humans on my stuff it didn't mean much to the rest of the world but it meant everything to a married couple who lived on one side and wanted to have breakfast with their parents on the other side 1st the void or grandparents who lived in the west and wanted to take their grandchild for a walk in humboldt kind park and all the sudden you couldn't go from one street to another from one side to the other with. the wool divided but on gemini for 28 years. the wall is now in memory the city one again. studies humanities and works part time in the planetarium antonius studies physics they live just a stone's throw from the war memorial sites and from where their grandparents once

lived. i know where it's by says i know it's where my grandparents lived and nowadays you see tourists milling around here all the time and i love it but of course it's also just where france lives and where i go to celebrate new year's or watch a football match or whatever but what i will grieving in history sounds a bit over the top but it's everywhere when you go out partying and you cross back and forth any number of times without thinking anything of it. regain ahead with no doubt have enjoyed that had grandchildren live so new to when she grew up she joined the social democratic party in 1909 gaining a reputation for plain speaking the successful reunification of the 2 geminis was always one of her key concerns this is arch that's why i say we need to participate in whatever way we can get involved you vote for for i was aware from the outset that the moment. she entered politics you know would never let go and politics

would never let her go she gave it her all for them not just for self musician or for the people she'd suddenly been granted responsibility for. and i would have loved to have spent a few days with her as the person i am now discussing ideas with my bank. 30 years after the fall of the bell in wall antonia in france feel that differences between east and west in germany still linger there not sure if germany has growing together or apart. with sending them on a journey across eastern germany to find out visiting places where people are venting their dissatisfaction and disappointment. come on let's have a song. i.

just i. guess i have caught. the fish. all right. no network. there's not exactly reliable internet around here but. much of the former east germany is struggling in the communist era the country was rundown and on the verge of bankruptcy since 1909 nearly 25 percent of the population has moved away. wow. there's little industry left here.

antonia and funds are critical of coal mining like many young people today they're worried about the environment but in eastern germany coal is still important like knight or brown coal mining is a major employer and an integrity part of the region's identity zuko but slough has spent her entire working life in a coal mine i feel as safe as i'm about to start up the excavator 1st i'll give a warning and then i'll set the excavator in motion. and this is all i can do all that up you see the cable is connected to the mast and the mast lifts the arm it's perfectly safe which is wobbles of it all right so i'll sit down. wow. sikka but slough has been operating an excavator for 35 years shifting up to 3 you know half 1000 tonnes of lignite per hour but germany is aiming to shut down all of its coal fired power plants by 2038

reunification hit this part of eastern germany hard now it's facing yet another copy for. action. but or is it just a dish but how do you feel knowing that it won't be long before these coal mines are closed down. the plane. is too much. it's a very emotional issue for us when. we feel we're being vilified. we're made out to be the bad guys we're destroying the environment and we're responsible for climate change the fact that it's my involvement in my opinion that's just rubbish. that's what the mining industry does a lot to protect the environment but nobody talks about that of course coal mining has an environmental impact but the industry makes up for it in the total look again at our council but can't you understand people's concerns why they're making these demands. of course they don't think miners are terrible people they think

they're perfectly normal nice people who are doing their job as best they can but they want to protect the environment and bring about change so i look i've got nothing against environmental protection but not in this radical well. 8000 people work in the late night strip mines here the coal industry is by far the biggest employer in the region wide scale unemployment is a looming physical puts off it brings back painful memories of what happened after 1909 after reunification. it's a very difficult subject for me i've had to say goodbye to friends to colleagues who are also friends it's a very emotional thing you've lost your job i've kept mine it's hard for both sides . this is for because it in place and so were you just lucky. whatever your job safe because it's killed. no one's job was

safe one. you must have been afraid too of course. how much transformation can reach and withstand. a few kilometers from the mine moped enthusiastic have gathered in the village of tower this is where the simpson s 51 and the pads were manufactured back came up was then communist east germany. which ones yours. when they were younger france and antonia also rode my pads like bees. you have me clinging to the noise the smell it's all still there 30 years after the fall of the war zone lopez is still really big thing here again that's young kids today like my

son 14 or 15 year olds and think tank you're with them all the time on t.v. it's great to talk about it it's unfortunate wonderful so let's go to this although you know it's a symbol of our use of the good old days great stuff you told us all. right let's take this one for a spin so you can sit on it while you push. by and you can i think. the met is glad to see the village taking pride in its heritage but in recent decades many locals left to find work in the west the area house rebounded somewhat but when the last mines closed they could be another exodus this notion of you know it but there's talk again about structural change once the older generation don't feel affected they think they don't have long left anyway above us mom to your room

but what about the young generation. in this nation they'll move away if the regional gov. don't manage to attract industry here. in the but i'd say it's almost too late for that. because the free speech. was written. dr i thought this was you. and tony and friends of visiting kath and kim. is a retired lawyer. yet how old were you when the wall fell to the math i was born in 47. so early forties projects i

was 36 when i started studying. for the wall fell yes and in 1900 i ended my studies which were under the eastern system. well i was as if my entire world had collapsed. so then what oh i see you've been studying a completely different legal system for a while that's crazy how infuriating so you had just finished your studies and the wall fell so it had all been a waste of time a total waste of time every weekend a colleague and i went to horrible to university in berlin to attend and listen ours on west german law those were hard times the amounts of halt everything it must have felt very unfair your all what do you think now i mean as a lawyer when you look back on what happened then. you know it was unfair a new system was basically imposed on us we had to relearn everything and not

everybody was able to adjust. for any it it must have been really tough being in your mid forty's having built yourself a whole life and then having to start all over from scratch i can't imagine what that must have felt like if i just. didn't give up she went on to found a successful legal practice in front of my spare time. i was really shocked to learn how few east germans there are in executive positions it's a good feeling for if you want to i'd yes out of 121 heads of federal ministries only 3 of them are from the former east as it's going now and it's like that across the board why is that do you think many people in the east locked confidence and we were looked down on during reunification everything to do with the east was discarded. there are 16000000 east germans but few of them hold top positions across academia politics business media and you know.

whether someone is from the still west germany is a question that still matters to antonia even though she was born after the fall of the wall so was her boyfriend nicholas. he grew up in western germany not far from the danish border. by the nazis when history happens on your doorstep a wall falls and 2 different systems collide then obviously it's something that's going to interest you. ok but it wasn't obvious

that the 2 systems were that different industry because the same is of. the east germany was poor ok yeah but the simple fact that a wall was built to keep people in is a huge difference. sure but my impression is that in the west we realized that in the east people had fewer material things of the view or products things like coffee bananas bluejeans and so on and have kind of been on kind of so they were disadvantaged in that time ago and so you knew that part and of course that you weren't allowed to travel or not to just. buy a live report and you have western germans failed to grasp your statement fit east germans to adapt to an entirely new system to switch from socialism and a planned economy to democracy and to free market economy all the rules had changed

at work and in private knife to. antonina has given me a different perspective. they made me think about it all much more a lot but since this is back but when i'm with antonio's family i still notice how much they talk about it if all of the wall of the east west issue same article was enough in my family it's never mentioned we never or hardly ever discuss the east west question if for people in the west like my parents it didn't make much of an impact nothing much changed at the end of. one half of gemini little changed. to the other half the world's turned upside down on november the 9th 1909 when the wall. was in the into november

that's is now in the us the 9th of november $989.00 was my son's 18th birthday. he came of age in communist east germany so we had thrown him his 1st big party boats and a fiat that comment on wolf then we got a call from a friend. telling us how the border was open so i was like what do you want about sure right it's open now it'll be open tomorrow and i didn't take it seriously but again you got wind of it there and then of course the party was over . and mine 58 of us piled into my little 5 seater our car and drove to bono much nicer not going on the bridge on a fork of the crossing we heard was open to his eye. i. mean i can still remember the particular quality of the light in the stony expressions of the border police who had no idea what was going on either and we

crossed over and there we were in west berlin. in the spring. and say cliff he was deeply moving were drove back after midnight and then again i wanted to go to the brandenburg gate. i. was funded as a teenager it seemed so exciting if. you were trapped behind a wall you couldn't cross and then at some point you could run but when i saw the film footage i just thought it uncool they're wearing those crappy clothes those horrible bright colors as a teenager i just thought man who wears that sort of thing and they're hopping

around on a wall of life in the head of the typhoon but by my mid twenty's i found those clothes totally cool and fun just think somewhat no. i. i know i i'm. sure that. sunday morning francis helping his friend bill or james band get ready to perform in the park next to the former wall this famous for its weekly free markets however they want to be there early to smack a prime spot. it. was pretty crazy as musicians that you're trying to able to do this like put on like a proper show in the streets. you know and even the police walks by and it's like yeah keep going you know that's awesome tens of thousands of people descend on the

park every sunday a ready made audience up and coming bands. to bring. everything. the bigger crowd. was. i. think that. what's now one of the most free spirited places in berlin was once aboard the death strip when east german guards were under order to shoot to kill if they saw anyone trying to escape. or whether it was clear. chance and then

tony as younger sister said celia has just moved to berlin the siblings often come to the park together. but how would you describe it to someone who's never been here you see the history you may know them our park so you're describing it to friends from out of town what would you say. this but this is. sacred i'd say imagine this was once the death strip he was the wall and there was the wall and now we can just walk along it and dance and play music or but we came up on monday you can see that that's the west over there you can see that the buildings on the one side are different from the buildings on the other and i tell them how wonderful it is that all these people gather here and party together that's what i'd say. almost 30 years it was

a no man's land between east and west but. today the maui park is a major tourist attraction. i love to dance in the park for me it's life for me it's like i love the atmosphere of the place the music the people everything about it i really hope. you know you have a it's kind of. really open and no further no boundary kind of place. if you want to do it you would think and if you want to be a hero. of people shoulder down. ok i like it very much it's freedom and that's very good especially in the early.

to the wall was built in 1961 and regain a hill to plant made a conscious decision to stay in the east they were critical of the communist system but they believed in change from within. i think. we were walled in. we did feel like we were trapped in the but we did what we could to broaden our horizons and also to show our children that it's inner freedom that matters the most and that with that inner freedom you could do all sorts of things and achieve all sorts of things someone who's given us. that children that wasn't always easy to accept. is france and then tony is mother she finished high school just before the wall fell she'd always railed against the restrictions of life in east germany. it is the food is that this

is a stimulus i felt like it wasn't real life or that we were somehow frozen in time and the world beyond was turning without you that was the dominant feeling for me my i longed for openness discussion all i can say is i didn't find any of that there and that was what i heard for that and you knew that there was this other world i imagined the west was something completely different we often went to the church of reconciliation and looked across the lawn just think we could actually see this other world you could see the double decker buses and the people in the street living lives that somehow seemed more colorful more vibrant more full of life it sounds ridiculous but when i was 12 i stood in front of the mirror and swore to myself that i wouldn't stay that i would linger. and that's it.

sure enough in august 1909 foucault head of land fled to west germany via hungary and austria like tens of thousands of others that summer no one family included had the slightest suspicion that the wall would fold just 3 months later. i didn't know when i would ever see my daughter again this is the she wouldn't have been allowed back and we weren't allowed to go to the west and it was just awful for us better because it's what we never expected to be back for christmas the same year but she was there you go by with talking. oh. god. if.

you. asked. for a copy of the book i knew how awful i. know how it would work with aunt and her family live in a village outside beilin there's almost always a full house. and politics is a favorite topic at the dinner table the family is alarmed by the rise of the far right in eastern germany. i keep telling people go and vote otherwise nothing will ever change that and almost 25 percent of the people in the state of brandenburg support the right wing populist party the a.f.d.c. with their political activism they hit upon a keeping reggae in a spirit alive even today she's remembered fondly in eastern germany read widely. followed him 500 here i've just been so amazed in the last few days by how much

people remember grandma. when you were traveling. yes she's like a superhero they really idolize her. to be honest i was almost shocked shocked because the excavator operator said that meeting at regina hildebrand's grandchildren was like hitting the jackpot lotto why asshole. yeah there's a lot to live up to. nowadays many in eastern germany feel bad no one on the political stage who represents that injustice as the estimates from our cloud as admission for a start it wasn't a reunification team one system simply imposed itself on the other as i'm west germany didn't bother to even consider if there was anything in the east german system they could have been useful to fix the problem boosted cohesion they didn't think what aspects of east germany should we take

a closer look at maybe keep they only cared about things that related to reckoning to a market economy and that was a mistake but the. head of land often spoke to her children about the fall of the wall about the joy every unification and the mistakes made in itself to mass. going to make you free in just a downward. talk . keep going stop where's the man in the moon.

trance and antonio go back on the red this time they're on their way to saxony the part of the country where the shift to the farm. right is mystic street they want to find out why. dresden is famous for its cultural landmarks but also as the cradle of the notorious piggy to movement which is nationalist anti islam and far right i. i. i its supporters regularly demonstrate against chancellor angle america's refugee policy against the idea of a multicultural germany for a few times and antonia their extreme politics right nothing like.

when the piggy demonstrations began in 2014 and they struck a nerve at that peak they drew 10000 people today any a small step and course still take to the streets every week antonia and funds the meeting to be a savant if he's put on sunglasses as a journalist he's anything but welcome here. how often have you been here. over a 100 times really that's quite something. to get it was founded in october 24th team so this year marks its 5th anniversary. there's a lot of dedication going into this system it's amazing how much time and energy is invested in something so pointless. it depends most people here don't think demonstrating is pointless. quite a few draw parallels with communist east germany they felt silenced then and claim

to feel silenced today even though their unafraid to spread was a rough and overtly racist slogans following after 7 i was at the demonstrations in 1009. prison and the mood now is similar. you can't dismiss these people as nazis that's just rubbish there are thousands of people with grievances and they just want to express them bring with them did they given didn't says this is our way of telling the government that a lot is wrong with this country she often issues closer personally i don't want to see islam take over germany if that's what you want fine but i don't and neither do most germans you're either so many that in fact the majority of people in dresden including to be as low if you don't sympathize with the piggy to support as he says they've crossed too many lines with that inflammatory and racist rhetoric on the scene for michelle obama mentioned to me these people are lost causes you can't get through to them it's also possible. that the very least that people who will accept

the violence sloganeering in order to celebrate themselves as something better because that what judgement of us was on the us was a virgin was watching their secret day puts his deputy leader in a green. is he going to kick us out. there he can't how could he. leave he seen us there but he's pretending to ignore us. there he goes during his man of the people frank. all that he has put those guys who are hanging around before us doesn't go there 1 and there's a sure whatever they like circling sharks exactly oh my gosh is it the biggest supporters of a small but vocal minority but the fact remains the far right is gaining ground. it's good to but i think the there are right wing tendencies all over europe and there's donald trump in the us but here it's taken on

a different dimensions it's not just about job losses an industry that's being shut down which is bad enough it's like the worm food it's the fact that there's been an entirely new society to adjust to daily life. values and. what i mean to say is there is no justification whatsoever for racism and marginalizing people that's completely totally wrong. but i can understand that people feel frustrated and left behind and that they struggle to identify with our society today to spring up for. the far right safety is seizing the moment in saxony a tented the state parliament in 2014 and is currently the state's strongest party after the city. antonio and runs the meeting a.f.d. politician event it's not a conversation any of them exactly relishes but look you know i assume you know

that we don't sympathize with the f.d.a. . you don't have to we don't i think the f.d.a. is pretty creepy to be honest. a lot of the slogan on my election poster is there must be limits to immigration. from the f.t. was founded in 2013 which is when the 1st wave of asylum seekers arrived in germany and there was no firm political intervention of not going to be all right and you think most of them risked their lives and get in these rubber boats just purely economic reasons because the majority yes that's my opinion. but being a racist i don't know why or not i can't explain it if you have no clue what will be interesting to know why your party which you're active in is seen as racist it's an accusation meant to make us look bad. because it's about speaking there what about the terrible speeches denying history and the diatribes against homosexuals.

the respect of a lot of it's a question of how the media instrumentalists is these issues in germany. people are labeled far right very quickly article young guns of what it is that i get it and if i don't know it's certainly true that given our history we germans have a particular duty when it comes to the expression a far right opinions that goes without saying they are british. transcendental spend an hour talking to and prevent but they find little common ground. to make yourself that it's just very obvious to me that the democracy we live in can't be taken for granted and i'm very aware that it's not an especially good

shape right now. past everyone. it's monday evening and france and his housemates are having a party. just a stone's throw from where their grandmother once lived from where the butler and move once stood from the former from najaf the cold war the grandchildren and celebrating with friends from around the world and if so why america. dear friends dear antonia did said celia i'm sitting on the terrace at twilight it's peaceful you're mine and my 3 grandchildren sleep untroubled in front of me

are photo albums that date back to when i was younger than you are now how times have changed it as in 1943 when i was 2 the same age is to serious now it was wartime we were evacuated from central berlin our home to the country shortly thereafter our home was bombed we lost almost everything we own and. at antonia's age i had experienced evacuation the end of the war back in berlin i lived in makeshift lodgings with a toilet in the stairwell i started over from nothing. uk when i was 8 france's age germany was split into 2 and remain divided for decades. when your mother was born in 1969 the wall was already 8 years old. of you my grandchildren were born after the wall fell born in a unified germany a wonderful time a time of great joy. now i'm going to get political. it will be nice if we could

get better at making our towns and cities proper communities of its argument where rich or the sick and the healthy the young and the old the disadvantaged and the advantaged could live together and children would learn from early on how to get along together and how to take responsibility for our world i'm. going to furnish the darkness has fallen still peaceful may have remained so for your sakes my dear grandchildren. parents.

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