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deadline. 3 princes. who dream of leading the arab world. their hunger for power and boundless ambition have rushed to the middle east into a great crisis. the rival princes of the gulf starts november 27th on t.w. . whistleblowers to some they're heroes to others they're traitors tonight you'll meet katherine gun the british woman whose leak could have averted the war in iraq and landed her in prison neither of the 2 happens as impeachment hearings against the u.s. president are set to begin made possible by a whistleblower last katherine gunn how does she see it do whistleblowers help
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clean up the system or do they reveal just how dirty it really is golf in berlin this is the day. it really is that the height of irresponsibility so-called whistle blower as i call it the fake whistle fake boy the president would love to punish the whistle for the president's comments and actions so the whistleblower says it is great to our country have jeopardized the whistleblowers say whistleblowers should be allowed to remain confidential i think 9 just. do your job and print is. also coming up in spain a crisis of government and a crisis of identity for elections in 4 years and still no clear answers from the
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voters as a big change in the political landscape i think the kettle an issue has been very much a border with. its threat to this baby and id is something that you very moving for many people. and to our viewers on p.b.s. in the united states and all around the world welcome we begin the day with what you find when impeachment in washington protests in iraq and a new film in hollywood emerge the answer the whistleblower this week for only the 4th time in u.s. history public impeachment hearings called by house speaker nancy pelosi and against the president will begin it was a whistleblower report that made even the thought of impeaching president trump possible and it comes at the same time that violent deadly protests continue in iraq angry crowds demanding the state finally provide basic services such as
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electricity and calling for an end to corruption in government some see iraq's current crisis and point to the u.s. led war in 2003 a war that we know today was sold to the international community with lies and some of those lies were exposed by a british woman named catherine gunn she was unable to prevent the war but her actions have been called the most important and courageous of all leaks i'll speak with her in just a moment but 1st her story which is now a hollywood film entitled official secrets. the u.s. and britain wanted to attack iraq with the support of a u.n. resolution when the u.s. struggled to get support the country's national security agency asked british intelligence to try and win over 6 uncommitted nations on the security council and agent edgy c h q katherine gun received a directive but didn't agree eventually she had it sent to britain's observer newspaper which then revealed the plan on march 4th 2003. that caused the
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scandal in britain and beyond. simply understand i'm not going to comment on the operations of all security services but i do say base we act in accordance with the mystic and international law and we act in the best interests of this country and all security services are a vital part of the protection of this country a couple of weeks later the americans british and other coalition forces that decided to attack iraq without the backing of a resolution after giving vader saddam hussein and ultimatum. at this hour american and coalition forces are in the early stages of military operations to disarm iraq to free its people and to defend the world from grave danger. tens of thousands of people were killed and wounded in the fighting before
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hussein's regime was toppled one month later but violence persists in iraq to this day from terrorist bombings to writing against the government. catherine gun was eventually arrested and faced a possible long sentence behind bars her story has since been made into a new movie and the film is called official secrets and start secure a nightly to speak if you do not and you want found out we killed information of any crime you will be charged with a breach of the. and the subject of that new film official secrets is katherine gun she is with me here at the big table thousands good to have you on the program and daniel ellsberg the pentagon papers leaker says that what you did your leaking i'm quoting here was the most important and courageous leak that the world has ever seen in part because you
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almost diverted the work. do you agree with him wow that was a high praise from a man who has done so much over the edges. to campaign for issues around. transparency and open ness and so yes now i'm you know his his actually a friend of mine and he's been a great supporter of. many whistleblowers out of a is so that's a great ana many was so blowers such as there are there's daniel ellsberg there's the u.s. army soldier bradley manning there's the former n.s.a. contractor edward snowden do you see yourself. in that group or do you differentiate. loose those names would you say that we have to differentiate there . i think in our it's important that whistleblowers are protected. and i
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think in a just society whistleblowers should be able to go to court if it's necessary and present their case without retaliation. and if that case stands up in a court of law if it's a fast system whereby they do have a defense under the law such as a public interest defense that they have that opportunity to present that case to court and determine whether their actions were indeed in the public interest or not and i think you know if it stands up and court it should be allowed to stand up in court that will supersede an oath that you take and we did for example when you joined the g.c. aged 2 you did the pledge you know i signed the official secrets act which is a promise that you're not to leak. what is it a secret or high level government it's actually a promise that you must never discuss anything asshole basically it's a blanket coverage and they ok so there's nothing there's no scrap of information
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there's nothing that you can discuss outside of just h.q. with anybody who has not signed the official 2nd nondisclosure that's an agreement it's completely orning compassing. if as i say it's a blanket coverage a draconian piece of legislation that has no defense under the law so if you if you do see something which is criminal illegal. fraudulent. there is no defense there is nothing you can do in order to bring that information out for the public to decide for themselves or to see what's going on with the u.s. whistleblower law that protects the whistleblower in even keeps the identity and not as huge as the the right approach. i think if there is the danger of retaliation which that often has been you know if it is saying to be it often the case that whistleblowers are retaliated against either by the.
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organization or their company then in some instances i think it should be anonymous but i think we need to move beyond this. we need to move beyond. a place where whistleblowers a scene is extraordinary and we need to move in a direction where bringing information to the public which is necessary for the public to know what is going on behind the scenes that should be seen as something to be sort of protected and respected and given proper due in the court of law rather than for instance in the us where most of the cases now are being treated with the espionage act which and intelligence circles has absolutely nothing to do with the public interest defense either you or well aware that this is a moment in whistleblower history in the united states it was
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a board has helped to bring on presidential impeachment hearings that start this week what do you make of what's happening there. unfortunately i haven't really been able to keep. abreast of the situation in the us because it's constantly changing. and i think it's too much to really say what really is going on there's a lot of his say and. it's not a clear picture yet so i think until the as clear a picture it's it's difficult to comment a lot of the rhetoric about was the blowers coming from the white house today sounds like what we heard coming from number 10 downing street and tony blair back in 2003 take a listen. it's very tempting to see people who want to talk about the work of all security services as so-called whistle blows or people simply in favor of open information. but i tell you all security services particularly today
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particularly with global terrorism as it is perform an absolutely vital tosk on behalf of this country many of their people work in circumstances a very great danger and it really is the height of irresponsibility to expose them to this type of public questioning and scrutiny in a way that can do absolutely no good to the security of this country so that when our visit this great you are got the right and the whistleblower because that is the real deal and his lawyer. said the worst thing possible 3 years ago. i may be praised. you see the similarities there but you will be heard from tony blair heights of irresponsibility because lives were put in danger i mean does he have a point. at. yeah i mean it's extraordinary to listen to him quite
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frankly because he took our country the best person to war on a lie hey put hundreds of thousands of british military men and women's lives at risk in fact 179 british military personnel were killed in iraq. and many countless more were wounded. i mean frankly it's the height of. now i mean to suggest that it's the height of irresponsibility to put people in harm's way i mean i think really he should turn the tables on himself and ask himself the same question if you turned yourself in you were charged with breaking the official sea secrets act we've got a clip here from the interrogation in the in the which is based on what you did let's take a look at that. with respect with. the others. yes
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you get information from people's phones and computers and you feed that to class yes eavesdrop on private conversations yes and no europe's into being asked to do that and then this is the security codes detective. i didn't object to being asked to connect information that could help prevent a terror attack. which we object to is being to get the intelligence to help fix the infant at the u.n. and deceive the world into go into war. incredibly compelling scene there. the reviews for this will have been very good putting it in the same league as the movie all the president's men reviewers have called you the hero in this film are you a hero. i don't feel heroic i'm you know i'm a person i think how much of ordinary boring. sort of person.
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but what i did was i felt necessary to bring information to the into the public arena and you know i've argued this in the past but i do feel more more so as time goes on that under the circumstances i did what i thought was right i did my job which was to to reveal information that i felt was. revealing what was going on that was illegal. the journalists to dead job they verified them from asian and then they published it even though it was against actually their own editorial angle on the paper so we provided that information to the into the public domain and there were m.p.'s in britain who were against the war. and they voted in parliament against the wall although they were in the minority. i still would like to ask them and none of them have oncet this question or even come
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forward to discuss these issues with myself or martin by the journalist but why did they not take this piece of information to tony blair at the time and say when this was absolutely crucial a crucial moment in history. tell us what's going on tony what is this piece of information here on the front pages of the observer tell us what's going on why are we trying to subvert the vote and get a u.n. resolution for war. you know and despite your public pronouncements it's a point to your point right there we've heard many times also in the breaks that debate people asking why do lawmakers come clean about what breaks it really means but the story goes on. it's a pleasure meeting. you taking the time to talk with us tonight and we look forward
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to your film official secrets thank you coming out next week next week thank you very much. former bolivian president evo morales has accused his country's opposition of staging a coup morale is resigned as president on sunday amid pressure from the opposition raul as you may remember declared victory in the disputed presidential election back in october that triggered weeks of protests the capital of pause so unrest overnight following the announcement from around those buses were burned and there were reports of looting roloson stepped down after 14 years as president leaving a sudden how were vacuum in the country. let's bring in d w correspondent johan ramirez who is standing by for us in the libyan capital of pause good evening to you so we know nearly everyone from the rebels his government has resigned so do we know who was in charge in bolivia today.
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yes after these waves off a resignations nobody. annulus the former vice president off the congress and now president of the congress she should take over the power on an interim basis but the problem is that to do so she needs the congress should meet to accept. the resignation letter it was to supposed to happen today but they think they couldn't meet today because of all the problems that have been happening in this city on in the whole country last night we had a really really it's. going to hold. the whole country so that's why they couldn't meet today via scheduled to meet again tomorrow and then they should accept this letter before that she cannot take power so in this moment there is no president there is no one in the head of the executive power but this paid
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continues to function through their ministries and other public instances in the. good point because they were getting a report today that the military have said that it will guarantee that public services continue to function at least in the near term what message do you think all of this since to the rest of latin and south america especially to venezuela cuba and also chile. i think that this is a very important message for all the countries for all the region that this sausage that this society fire from political parties far from the army they can do things to make things change but this is a very interesting phenomenon here because this is actually the society who have. this out of power but defend is that in other countries i mean believe it has a very strong culture of doors like trade unions or associations of
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women also sessions or farmers so they have a real very important role in the country and that's not the case in other countries such as venice well she they already can i was so that's why i think here in bolivia we have this very interesting phenomena and i don't think maybe this is like something that could spread in the region brant ok d w z 100 mira's joining us tonight from the libyan capital of johan thank you very much. will the political deadlock in spain will go wrong the prime minister pedro sanchez a socialist took the largest share of the vote in sunday's general election but fell short of a majority yet again the far right vox party which is vehemently opposed to catalonia an independence made the biggest gain but catalan activists blocked a major border crossing between spain and france today hoping to trumpet their call
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us. and to them points and the kettle on government in the aftermath of sunday's elections i want to turn now to the kettle on the government's representative to germany marie it's good to have you on the show maria and i want to i think i want to ask you about these election results the far right vox party it's basically doubled its seat numbers in parliament they are against catalonian independence so that must mean a huge loss for your calls. well we see on one hand that party collapsed basically to 10 seats and i'm vox party gained a lot of seats and so that's like imperil a movement and of course am i think it's frightening for all of us not only for the cattleman's to see a far right frankly as party group presented in as
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a 3rd force in a democratic parliament in spain and europe in country in a 21st century a party that is against women's rights it's against. our rights it's against all these things we think it should be normal in those days and and that's the concern of us not only as a cattleman's about. the progress of spaniards many of the. former government leaders are either in spanish prisons or they're in exile outside of the country i'm thinking you know of mr bridge tomorrow for example so what can the kemah one governments be what can you do what you did prioritise now when you have so many people so many leaders no longer they are. well talks talks talks dialogue is the only thing that the cut and i'm government wants to it's and that's the
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frightening thing as well because the data lock we see and the spanish politics after the elections is that they're better off where. somehow the lands in the spanish central government are and the last 1012 years so that's a problem and we should be able to solve political problems with dialogue and negotiations and not by. and prison you have 8 kids against the spanish government a legal case you're suing for alleged spying of your movements you say that the spanish government has been following you watching you i mean are you are you surprised what i'm not saying but question the spanish government has been following me and what i say is somebody has been following me and i say i want to know who that was you suspect that they have been commissioned by special for
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a chase them and or is this guy some way but i well yes of course because i am a free a european citizen and i think i should be followed by anyone. in case someone needs to know something about me could ask me for me. and that's why i talk to my ok and that's where we are right now you can we'll replete let us know what happens and please come back to the program when you maybe have resolution or when there's been some advancement in your court case marie culprit's the kettle of government representative to germany ri thank you very much thank you very much to you. or when you think of an animal that can offer a human. emotional support what usually comes to mind dogs cats maybe or probably not a pig. is what is called i guess
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a therapy pig a sensitive swine she's part of a program that brings trade therapy animals to the airport so that's theory and to ease travel anxiety. let's. say it's just another day at work fully. she's part of san francisco international airports blacksburg age she's not catching any flights but if presence might help stressed out passengers relax. people are very happy to get distracted from the travel from their routine whether they're flying to on their journey or litigation or work but everybody is usually very happy. and it seems it's not to load a whole bush there's no lipstick on this pig. just perhaps a touch of nail polish. and people seem to enjoy it. i've never seen
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one here so it's interesting. it's fun i got really excited. just a piercing a program they are playing. he did tricks like a god. but lead lives doesn't do just simple tricks she has a knack of bringing people together. we walk in and we find today that most people have their heads buried in their devices they're not engaged we walk in people start to look up they start to react they respond super positively they start to engage with each other. the program is a hit with time flies. but is it all a bit of a bore fully lose. the live very well. very is to keep all. my
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fairy tale and that means that she's copied. it seems everyone is happy including lea lou who obviously loves holding the limelight. if they call you a pig you tell them thank you the day is almost gone the conversation continues online to find us on twitter news you can follow me. if you use a hash tag today and remember whatever happens between now and then tomorrow is another day we'll see the number.
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