news or visit our web site that's t w dot com. whistleblowers to some they're heroes to others they're traitors tonight you'll meet katherine gun the british woman whose leak could have averted the war in iraq and landed her in prison neither of the 2 happened as impeachment hearings against the u.s. president are set to begin made possible by a whistleblower last katherine gun how does she see it do whistleblowers help clean up the system or do they reveal just how dirty it really is golf in berlin this is the day. it really is the height of irresponsibility so-called whistle blower as i call it the fake whistle the fake record the president would love to punish the whistle for the president's comments and acts of these so the whistleblower says it is great to

our country have jeopardized the whistleblowers say whistleblowers should be allowed to remain confidential i say good night to the media do your job and print is. also coming up in spain a crisis of government and a crisis of identity for elections in 4 years and still no clear answers from the voters as a big change in the political landscape for sure i think that at that an issue has been very much a border with. its threat to this baby one id is something that is very moving for many many people. and to our viewers on p.b.s. in the united states and all around the world welcome we begin the day with what you find when impeachment in washington protests in iraq and a new film in hollywood emerge the answer the whistleblower this week for only the

4th time in u.s. history public impeachment hearings called by house speaker nancy pelosi and against the president will begin it was a whistleblower report that made even the thought of impeaching president trump possible and it comes at the same time that violent deadly protests continue in iraq angry crowds demanding the state finally provide basic services such as electricity and calling for an end to corruption in government some see iraq's current crisis and point to the u.s. led war in 2003 a war that we know today was sold to the international community with lies and some of those lies were exposed by a british woman named catherine gunn she was unable to prevent the war but her actions have been called the most important and courageous of all leaks i'll speak with her in just a moment but 1st her story which is now

a hollywood film entitled official secrets. the u.s. and britain wanted to attack iraq with their support of a u.n. resolution when the u.s. struggled to get support the country's national security agency aspiration tillage is to try and win over 6 uncommitted nations on the security council and agent edgy c h q catherine gun received the directive but didn't agree eventually she had it sent to britain's observer newspaper which then revealed the plan on march 4th 2003. that caused the scandal in britain and beyond. simply understand i'm not going to comment on the operations of our security services but i do say this we act in accordance with the mystic and international law and we act in the best interests of this country and all security services are a vital part of the protection of this country a couple of weeks later the americans british and other coalition forces that

decided to attack iraq without the backing of a resolution after giving vader saddam hussein and ultimatum. at this hour american and coalition forces are in the early stages of military operations to disarm iraq to france people and to defend the world from grave danger. tens of thousands of people were killed and wounded in the fighting before hussein's regime was toppled one month later but violence persists in iraq to this day from terrorist bombings to writing against the government. catherine gun was eventually arrested and faced a possible long sentence behind bars her story has since been made into a new movie and the film is called official secrets and stars cure a nightly to speak if you do not and you are found to have with information at any

time you will be charged with a breach of the. and the subject of that new film official secrets katherine gun she is with me here at the big table because it's good to have you on the program again you know ellsberg the pentagon papers leaker says that what you did your leaking i'm quoting here was the most important and courageous leak that the world has ever seen in part because you almost diverted the war. do you agree with them while there was a high praise from a man who has done so much over the edges. to campaign for issues around. transparency and open ness and so yes i'm you know his has actually a good friend of mine and he's been a great supporter of. many whistleblowers over the is so that's

a great ana ninny whistleblowers such as there are there's daniel ellsberg there's the u.s. army soldier bradley manning there's the former n.s.a. contractor edward snowden do you see yourself. in that group or do you differentiate. the loose those names would you say that we have to differentiate there. i think in our it's important that whistleblowers are protected. and i think in a just society whistleblowers should be able to go to court if it's necessary and present their case without retaliation. and if that case stands up in a court of law if it's a fast system whereby they do have a defense under the law such as a public interest defense that they have that opportunity to present that case to court and determine whether their actions were indeed in the public interest on not and i think you know it stands up in court it should be allowed to stand up in

court but that will supersede those that you take and we did for example when you joined the g.c. aged 2 you took a pledge you know i signed the official secrets act which is a promise that you're not to leak. what is it a secret or high level government it's actually a promise that you must never discuss anything asshole basically it's a blanket coverage and they a k. so there's nothing there's no scrap of information there's nothing that you can discuss outside of just with anybody who has not signed the official sort of non-disclosure. agreement it's completely orning compassing. if as i say it's a blanket coverage a draconian piece of legislation that has no defense under the law so if you if you do see something which is criminal illegal. fraudulent. there is no defense there is nothing you can do in order to bring that information

out for the public to decide for themselves or to see what's going on with the u.s. whistleblower law that protects the whistleblower in even keeps the identity anonymous if he does the the right approach. i think if there is the danger of retaliation which that often has been you know it is saying to be. often the case that whistleblowers are retaliated against either by that organization or their company then in some instances i think it should be anonymous but i think we need to move beyond this. we need to move beyond. a place where whistleblowers the same is extraordinary and we need to move in a direction where bringing information to the public which is necessary for the public to know what is going on behind the scenes that should be seen as something to be

sort of protected and respected and given proper in the court of law rather than for instance in the u.s. where most of the cases now are being treated with the espionage act which and intelligence circles has absolutely nothing to do with the public interest defense either you or well aware that this is a moment in whistleblower history in the united states it was a blow has helped to bring on presidential impeachment hearings that start this week what do you make of what's happening there. unfortunately i haven't really been able to keep. abreast of the situation in the u.s. because it's constantly changing. and i think it's to mark a to really say what really is going on there's a lot of his say and. it's not a clear picture yet so i think until the as clear

a picture it's it's difficult to comment a lot of the rhetoric about was blowers coming from the white house today sounds like what we heard coming from number 10 downing street and tony blair back in 2003 take a listen. it's very tempting to see people who want to talk about the work of all security services as so-called whistle blows or people simply in favor of open information. but i tell you our security services particularly today particularly with global terrorism as it is perform an absolutely vital tosk on behalf of this country many of their people work in circumstances a very great danger and it really is the height of irresponsibility to expose them to this type of public questioning and scrutiny in a way that can do absolutely no good to the security of this country so that when it is it is great who are got it right and the whistleblower because that will be

revealed and his lawyer. said the worst thing possible 3 years ago. i may be praised. you see the similarities there but you will be heard from tony blair height of irresponsibility because lives were put in danger i mean does he have a point at. yeah i mean it's extraordinary to listen to him quite frankly because he took our country the best britain to war on a lie hey put hundreds of thousands of british military men and women's lives at risk in fact 179 british military personnel were killed in iraq. and many countless more were wounded. i mean and frankly as the heights of. now i mean to suggest that it's the height of

irresponsibility to put people in harm's way and i think really turn the tables on himself and ask himself the same question if you turn yourself and you were charged with breaking the official sea secrets act we've got a clip here from the interrogation in the in the which is based on what you did let's take a look at that. with respect with. you're a spy. yes you get information from people's phones and computers and you feed that . c.s.u. eavesdrop on private conversations yes and how europe's into being has to do that to members of the security council detective. i didn't object to being asked to connect information that could help prevent a terrorist attack. was a objective is being to get the intelligence to help fix the vote at the u.n.

and deceive the world and go into all. the incredibly compelling seeing they are. the reviews for this who have been very good putting it in the same league as the movie all the president's men reviewers have called you the hero in this film are you a hero. i don't feel heroic i'm you know i'm a person i think i'm much quite of ordinary boring sort of person. but what i did was i felt necessary to bring information to the into the public arena and you know i've argued this in the past but i do feel more more so as time goes on that under the circumstances i did what i thought was right i did my job which was to to reveal information that i felt was. revealing what was going on that was illegal. the journalists did that job they verified them

from ation and then they published it even though it was against actually their own editorial angle on the paper so we provided that information to the into the public domain and there were m.p.'s in britain who are against the wall. and they voted in parliament against the wall although they were in the minority. i still would like to ask them and none of them have oncet this question or even come forward to discuss these issues with myself or motm by the journalist but why did they not take this piece of information to tony blair at the time and say when this was absolutely crucial a crucial moment in history. tell us what's going on tony what is this piece of information here on the front pages of the observer tell us what's going on why are we trying to subvert the vote and get a u.n.

resolution for war. you know and despite your public pronouncements it's a point to your point right there we've heard many times also in the breaks that debate people asking why don't one makers come clean about what breaks it really means but the story goes on. it's a pleasure meeting you in our media we appreciate you taking the time to talk with us tonight and we look forward to your film official secrets thank you coming out next week next week thank you very much. former bolivian president evo morales has accused his country's opposition of staging a coup morello's resigned as president on sunday amid pressure from the opposition . you may remember declared victory in the disputed presidential election back in october that triggered weeks of protests the capital of pause so unrest overnight

following the announcement from around us buses were burned and there were reports of looting. stepped down after 14 years as president leaving a sudden how we're back in the country. let's bring in d.w. correspondent johan ramirez who is standing by for us in the libyan capital of pause good evening to you johan so we know that nearly everyone from morello's his government has resigned so do we know who was in charge in bolivia today. yes after these waves off a resignations nobody. annulus the former vice president off the congress and now president of the congress she should take over if i were on an interim basis but the problem is that to do so she needs the congress should meet to accept evan without his resignation letter was to supposed to happen today but

a beating they couldn't meet today because of all the problems that have been happening in this city on in the whole country last night we had a a a really it's. going to hold. the whole country so that's why they couldn't meet today be a scheduled to meet again tomorrow then they should accept this letter before that she cannot take power so in this moment there is no president there is no one in the head of the executive power but this head continues to function through their ministries and other public instances in the in the launch of the. good point because they're getting a report to that the military have said that it will guarantee that public services continue to function at least in the near term what message do you think all of this sin is to the rest of latin in south america especially to venezuela cuba and also chile. i think that

this is a very important message for all the countries for all the region that this sausage that this society fire from political parties fire from the army they can do things to make things change but this is a very interesting phenomenon here because this is actually the society who have boots that is out of power but the thin is that in other countries i mean believe it has a very strong culture of doors like trade unions or associations of women also sessions or farmers so they have a real very important role in the country and that's not the case in other countries such as venice where she they already can i was so that's why i think here in bolivia we have this very interesting phenomena and i don't think maybe this is like something that could spread in the region brant ok did we use your 100 mira's joining us tonight from the libyan capital of xian thank you very much.

well the political deadlock in spain will go on prime minister pedro songes a socialist took the largest share of the vote in sunday's general election but fell short of a majority yet again the far right vox party which is vehemently opposed to catalonian independence made the biggest gains but catalan activists blocked a major border crossing between spain and france today hoping to trumpet their call . and said that points and become a long government in the aftermath of sunday's elections i want to turn now to the kettle on the government's representative to germany marine corp it's good to have you on the show and i want to i think i want to ask you about these election results the far right vox party it's basically doubled its seat numbers

in parliament they are against kevil only independence so that must mean a huge loss for your calls. well we see on one hand that party collapsed basically to 10 seats and i'm vox party gained a lot of seats so that's like a parallel movement. of course and i think it's frightening for all of us not only for the cattleman's to see a far right frankly as party represented as a 3rd force in a democratic parliament in spain and in europe in country in 21st century a party that is against women's rights and against. all rights it's against all these things we think it should be normal in those days and and that's the concern of us not only as a cattleman's about the. progress of spaniards many of the. former government

leaders are either in spanish prisons or they're in exile outside of the country i'm thinking you know of mr porridge tomorrow for example so what can the kemah one governments i mean what can you do what should have prioritized now when you have so many people so many leaders no longer they are. what talks talks talks a dialogue is the only thing that the cut and government wants to do and that's the frightening thing as well because the deadlock we see in the spanish politics after the elections is the big bad luck where. somehow the lands and the spanish central government are and last 1012 years so that's a problem and we should be able to solve political problem with dialogue and negotiations and not by. and prison you have

a case against the spanish government a legal case you're suing for alleged spying of your movements you say that the spanish government has been following you watching you i mean are you are you surprised what i'm not saying but question the spanish government has been following me and what i say is somebody has been following me and i say i want to know who that was submitted be you suspect that they have been commissioned by special for a chase them and who are just by some way but i well yes of course because i am a free a european citizen and i think i should be followed by anyone that if in case someone needs to know something about me could ask me for me. and that's why. i talk to my okayed and that's where we are right now you will replete let us know what happens and please come back to the program when you maybe have resolution or

when there's been some advancement in your court case marie culprits the kettle on government representative to germany ri thank you very much thank you very much to you. when you think of an animal that can offer a human emotional support what usually comes to mind dogs cats maybe or probably not a pig lilu is what is called i guess a therapy pig gave sensitive swine she's part of a program that brings trained therapy animals to the airport to live spirits and to ease travel anxieties. it's just another day at work. she's part of san francisco international airport swag brigade she's not catching any flights but

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