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world. therefore power and boundless ambition to go east into a great crisis. was princess of the cold starts november 27th on. for almost a decade the founder of wiki leaks julian a son when 2 weeks streams in the u.k. to avoid facing rape charges in sweden the time apparently worked in his favor today swedish authorities dropped the investigation one legal door closes another remains wide open the u.s. wants the u.k. to hand over a song to face espionage charges another extradition for songs to resist but this time the clocks are not ticking in favor of julian a song i'm bored go off in berlin this is the day.
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based on the investigation i have concluded that the accuses credible the statement is there a level one. in college at the evidence as it stands today is not sufficient. it is not clear that the oral testimony which was given by the accuser has weakened . the memories fade for natural reasons. that phyl at has decided that the evidence is not strong enough to continue pursuing an indictment. also coming up earlier this year a french judge ruled in favor of a rooster in a noise complaint snell the defendant is a duck will the same justice applied to birds of a different father. i don't think i know. so these ducks are
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a problem my ducks make new ones. and this bothers the neighborhood of what. you our viewers on p.b.s. in the united states and all around the world that welcome we begin the day in which the 2 cases against julian the sons became the one kid so against julian of songe the world knows a songe as the founder of wiki leaks and the man accused by the u.s. of helping carry out one of the biggest leaks of classified documents in history but there is a 2nd legal case against a songe make that there was a 2nd case in 2012 women in sweden accused of songe of rape and sexual assault a songe spent almost a decade avoiding extradition to sweden from the u.k. because he feared that sweden would then hand him over to the u.s. would today sweden drop is investigation the prosecutor saying that too much time has passed with sweden out of the picture that makes the legal questions
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surrounding a staunch simpler for the u.k. the united states wants britain to hand over a songe to face charges connected to that major leak of classified documents a songe says that he is protected by the 1st amendment right to free speech in the u.s. but washington says he broke the wall. this is how he sentence began this may. we storm a courthouse after a judge refused his plea to stay free the wiki leaks founder had cleaned himself up since british police tracked him from the ecuadorian embassy just weeks. outside the court supporters who are vocal in their anger at the sentence many see as someone who is a hero for exposing abuses of power and championing free speech. the case against the songs in britain arose when 2 swedish women accused him of sexual
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assault and rape in 2010 a song sought refuge in the ecuadorian embassy afraid that sweden could extradite him to the u.s. he faced prosecution that the wiki leaks release of millions of classified documents since his sentence started in britain as songs his lawyers have turned their attention to the u.s. extradition request authorities there have charged him with conspiring to break into a pentagon computer system this case isn't has always been about the risk of extradition to the united states. we've been saying since 2010 that risk is real and we now have a provisional extradition requests from united states. it's a battle a song she's been fighting for months from prison but fighting extradition could take much longer. and for more i'm joined tonight by joshua rosenberg hughes a british legal commentator he joins us from cambridge in england mr rosenberg it's
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good to have you on the program i'd like to get your take on what happened today after 9 years we hear from swedish prosecutors that the evidence is too weak what do you make of their. it's not the story just because the evidence doesn't change what a person said is she wants to end the size the injured party that's the 1st plane of social assault has submitted a credible and reliable version of events about the state statements of the extensive detail but the prosecutor but my overall assessment gives the evidence will situation has been weakened to such an extent but there is no longer any reason to continue the investigation i suppose what the prosecutors say is that memories fade bents alleged many years ago now and sweetness we
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know has statutes of limitation in other words it would continue to prosecute after a certain amount of time and 6 spot so maybe that's the thinking behind it it would be difficult to get the fiction off of this time but let me ask you this i mean maybe maybe swedish law is different from u.k. law in this matter but the depositions that the the 2 women gave back in 2010 isn't that used in the can use regardless if it's 3 years have passed in 5 years of past me wouldn't the deposition be just as good today as it was 9 years ago as long as the statute of limitations has run out. that's a very fair point and the statute of limitations knock visually right out but you would expect that the witnesses would be cool to give oral evidence you would expect that they would be cross-examined and that perhaps is more difficult but maybe there's another point i don't think it is as you report it like julian is in
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prison serving a prison sentence here in the u.k. for jumping bail for not surrendering bail and he was sentenced to jail for that but even more of a just standing extradition to the united states. and legally the swedish will say that you know that any prison sentence. the longer the squinting up the possibility of extradition would count towards any prison sentence in might get if he would be sent to sweden in other words this apps. and use a pending extradition. how do you see what do you what do you see the whitely hood of him being extradited to the u.s. is being do you think that he will be sent to america. certainly the chance is being sent to united states critiques and the reason for that is that until today there were 2 extradition requests before the british government i'm sick creek has
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to decide and while mr speaker one from was from the united states the only secure state has to decide which one to give her 2 additional it's entirely clear whether the government would have said well sweden on its 1st sweden all david the charges or not it states. and the 2. states that brought this go away because there's now only one it's fish now certainly that's the challenge to the court to the senate but it's only one request and question whether he can this week what would happen if sir said this week that would you then good not states that's all gone i've liked you to just take a listen to part of what the editor in chief of wiki leaks has said about the case against julian assange in the united states take a listen. julio's lawyers. said today they want to talk argue. that this case should be dismissed taj it should be. and on the basis of an
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international treaty or a bilateral treaty between the united states and the united kingdom the treaty actually been treated which basically states that you cannot actually died in it but you put a political offense and that's exactly what is being done here and it's shameful that we selected we spending time here in court. how do you see this he said that what julian assange is accused of is a political offense the united states says that he is guilty of espionage and leaking classified material that is certainly not more than a political offense in the eyes of the united states how do you as a u.k. of war expert how do you see it. well obviously this is something that's going to mean all of you doubt the colts' of you know educating them this hearing states for february before look cool has to decide with experience should i do it this is one of the arguments it may well go to a higher court it may take some months to get this back to the united kingdom
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supreme court but you can see why he's all getting it's political and you can see why the united states it's all good but it's not political this is simply a criminal offense this is breaking we have an official secrets act here in this country islamic countries too in other words restrictions on providing access audition to the public so that is a question that is going to be out you know it's a perfectly legitimate question and they are going to come down with the policy of this which side of course will get it but it is all given to loose and it's a boy who. if they put this weight cools here in the united kingdom but it should not be it's like united states mr aznar before we let you go i want to ask you on one more question and in this age of bragg's it with breaks it about finally take place knowing that the united states wants julius on to be extradited. do
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you think that that reduces the likelihood that the u.k. would ever decide not to extradite him i mean do you see the politics of brecht's it influencing this legal decision. no i don't think so there are certainly cases where british government business has refused to send somebody for it not to states people suffering from mental difficulties for example there was a computer who was not sent. and you can see circumstances in which it wouldn't be appropriate to do so and it's written and used to be that joint legal political per person but expression now as well else. it's they ultimately have the last word but it's very much a legal process i'm sure will put the government whichever government is elected office of our general election whatever happens to preclude the government wait and
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see what the courts say different courts say this is not political but it's perfectly possible for it to be exploited i'd be very surprised if any government minister open to look at decision. just rosenberg british legal commentator joining us tonight from cambridge and in the mysteries where we appreciate your time and your insights tonight thank you. the multis journal stephanie was known as a one woman wiki leaks for her work highlighting corruption in malta and it's long been speculated that her murder 2 years ago was because of her investigative work or nel maltese prime minister joseph most scots have said that he will guarantee a presidential pardon for a man arrested last week and that man says that he knows who killed death beliefs.
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and the prime minister said that the pardon is dependent on the subject cooperating with the murder investigation take a list. that literally in the foot of my thumb i sign this let's undo down there soon on the face of this person that does have the assurance that if they collaborate with the police and the information they give you sufficient to prosecute the mastermind of this crime don and this person will get a presidential pardon as for president. well at that press conference a reporter asked about alleged links between the ringleaders behind the murder and the government of the prime minister take a listen running my membership at the site seen him on the show it was if the mosque the mind is sort of and found to have business or nations with anyone in your government or a member of stuff with as they do feel government and at the moment to food on the faith and i think that i would be really jumping the gun ok. yeah it's you jumping
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the gun to talk about that and a lot more i'm joined now by keith mcauliffe he's a journalist for the times of malta joining us tonight from valetta malta the times the newspaper that 1st reported this story it's good to have you on the show keith let me at least pick up a what that reporter asked the prime minister saying i'll give this man a pardon him if he cooperates that you would assume means that the prime minister is confident that whatever this man says is not going to implicate the prime minister or his inner circle right would that's what we believe it but the prime minister was also very keen to state this is not going to be a blanket presidential pardon the prime minister said he himself admitted that he's not very fond of presidential pardons with difference to one particular case a civil today their own director taking where it was given presidential pardon but
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his evidence wasn't enough to incriminate the suspect so joseph was kind of the prime minister has always been very skeptical about presidential bid but it is indeed it has been quite a surprise as the footman and the british prime minister's test quite a lot this morning speaking out soon it was before a cabinet meeting that he would be giving the presidential budget on condition that what the suspects will dismiss them and with the same court will actually lead to the identification of the mustard mines well keep the outer we know that the this middle man that he is telling the truth how do we know that he knows what he says he knows. well to be honest i mean people close to the investigation and this they did this does guy he's a taxi driver has a 41 year old texas driver he's been mentioned in the investigation maybe not
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public it but in private sectors and said it was close to the investigation for a number of months i would say in not only weeks and but for some reason it was only now that the government decided to step up the investigation and decided that this was the right time to offer the presidential pardon somebody something there must have been a turning point whereby the government believes that no it's time is ripe to gave the presidential pardon so that this middle man can say who was the monster mine and now the question is not only who but why why was it felt that when a girl it's a head to begin and then just who actually had this plan where you know it has been 2 years since the murder and the investigation basically was was going nowhere so i take your point that something must have happened. to make the prime minister say i'll give this man
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a pardon if he cooperates do you know what happened are there sources telling you anything that would indicate a change in the investigation. well what is sure is that the government was coming down that intense pressure that the investigations were in progress and in fact the boats a few weeks ago i believe it was around the 2nd anniversary government was criticized for refusing once again to have the f.b.i. on the case that was perceived as some kind of. new government not being very enthusiastic about the case being resolved no one of a sudden the government seems seems to be stepping up its efforts pressure from outside friction from the council of europe even to launch an inquiry on whether does murder could have been prevented his having to slowly believe many people believe that the government now is realizing that 3 years down the line. this case it was through all of on it can do to sort of this case once and for all what
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do you think specially times of war that. keep them is as before we run out of time i mean it sounds like based on what we what we are reading and seeing and what you're saying it sounds like the prime minister is more concerned about this not becoming a p.r. disaster than he is about true justice being delivered for this murdered journalist is that a correct assessment wead i think it's a bit presumptuous to say it's he's more concerned about a p.r. disaster what's what this did the worst case scenario for the prime minister is to have a political involvement in this murder if there is a political motive maybe definitely want to get it wasn't who was very very on the ball when it came to corruption links to the government maybe that would be the worst case scenario kluger to the prime minister now believes that time has come to
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do whatever it needs to be done now the time is right to give his presidential pardon maybe. throw a light on this case once and for nobody knows exactly what will what will be happening. do we know keith before we let you go do we do we know who is paying for the defense of the 3 men who have been implicated in this i mean i know that there was a lot of reporting about the funding. yes i mean they've even sent some documents for forensic examination didn't it states and it costs tens of thousands now apparently these a he suspects they declared they had very low income and good unemployed and lot of immediately say how american they afford such legal expenses and to do dece these these foreign sick examination and united states and that it's that was all so so few willing questions d. their defense lawyer has been asked about the source of the funds he's being vague
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but he wouldn't comment ok journalist keith mccullough from the times of malta joining us tonight from valetta lot to keep we appreciate your time and updating us on this story we appreciate it thank you well now i'd like to bring in on the telephone corrina bella she is the sister of the murdered maltese journalist daphne believed c.-a she joins me also from the lead. miss villa can you hear me i think here you can hear me can yes i can hear you we appreciate you taking the time to talk with us i would like to get your take on this decision that we have received from the prime minister that he's promised a pardon to this middle man if the middle man cooperates and leads the investigation to the the murderer what's your reaction to that.
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i mean the focusing on the cotton is something it is not reviewed the issue is it's really about moving the investigation for didn't it and from what i've seen and heard there seems to be enough profit potential evidence to move the investigation further than the person being arrested and. you know offering a plea bargain is a necessary step forward then it's a welcome step forward i mean this is a great opportunity to deliver justice the test stands how mossad is going to handle all of this what do you have to face in the justice system in malta i mean for from the outside looking at this story it's been 2 years since your sister was murdered and we still don't know who's behind this horrible crime. we don't have an alternative in the end justifies to be delivered in malta i'm
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encouraged by the fact that the has being a father a son that it looks like the investigation can move further up from that yes the having issues yes it's been a long time and no the case will not be close once a murderer is in j. stephanie reported on crying on reports on corruption at the heart of government and if that touches on crime than just the trust of it delivered on every single level to every person she ever wrote about she wrote about people in government and they also that. full justice means justice for her mother and justice for her of course. this is a step forward and we need to take things further. and we can understand that you would like to see some resolution and some closure in this case the fact that it has taken so long do you think that speaks to the reality of the
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political injustice system in malta that your sister reported on that it is somewhat corrupt and needs to be reformed do you think we're seeing what deftly reported on we're seeing it right before our eyes now there has been there have been several reports says that he was killed by the national overnight changes including the council of europe then the commission of course you know on constitutional changes there was an update published today. of not being any progress in any of the areas mentioned in the council of europe report which was you know the subject of a resolution jews there was no there's not been any progress except for the announcement of a public inquiry there at the center and. there are problematic. changes recommended by defense commission that has been very little progress on not just one. kareen develop the sister of the murdered maltese journalist daphne believes
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he is joining us tonight from malta we appreciate your time and we appreciate your insights and sharing your thoughts with us tonight thank you. thank you for calling it. freedom of speech is alive and well in france if. you're a duck a court has ruled that dogs kept by a retired farmer well they may keep on quacking after a neighbor sued in court over their racket the court said that the quacking was within respectable noise limits. the ducks have one of these ducks they belong to dominic due to a retired farmer in southwestern france she's been keeping ducks for 36 years i don't think i know well so these ducks are a problem my ducks make noise. and this bothers the neighborhood of was
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that neighbor who didn't identify himself publicly is a reason to rival from an unnamed city he took the quacking very seriously. but if you were near misses you do why i was coming to see me once or twice a week until the day i broke down from seeing him constantly and him telling me you should do something he should put up a noise proof wall that i will make you pay for. it was hell. faith if they don't. do just court date attracted plenty of supporters thousands of others signed a petition in favor of the ducks right to question. the case isn't the 1st one this year in france pitting noisy birds against new arrivals from the city in another small town a rooster name maurice so annoyed transplanted city slickers that they too filed suit to stop his crowing maurice was allowed to continue so it's country folk too quiet seekers 0 over here are that if you live in the country sign to get away from
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the noise for me it's dead. noise is life so i saying i will keep my ducks though because if you were moving down there with a song with the judgment under their wing these birds have not run afoul of the law . we like the dogs will see them all.
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